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Matthieu said:

Again, context matters. In the context of this game Kareemah - the slot you took over - has been evading elimination throughout the entirety of the game thus far. I have not been evading elimination willingly. I told Void and others to get me out of the way to prevent me being exploited at this point in the game. I saw it coming. I told people I saw it coming and explained my concerns and nobody listened. Furthermore, many reads this game have been incorrect and came about in some cases due to tunnel vision.

I don't pretend to have all the answers in these games because I never do and to be quite honest it's exhausting when others pretend that they do. So much trouble could have been avoided this game if more players had been willing to play ball/go with a plan other than their own. I don't know what you want me to say in this situation.

I did not want to make it to the end game and be exploited as a misyeet, let alone have the pressure of being one of the deciding votes but the chips fell that way despite my best efforts to relay my concerns and avoid such a situation.

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VoidKitten said:

My legacy reads:

Town:

Listo
Windward
LDG

Scum:

MTR - I would kill this first.
Matthieu - He can die second.

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Matthieu said:

MTR was voting for me as far back as day one because I jokingly voted to sleep - and once again, Void didn't insist on going after me to the extent that you're implying and it doesn't account for the fact that I was trying to convince him and everybody else to get me out of the way as an earlier misyeet to prevent us getting into this predicament in the first place. I'm not sure how many times I need to point that out.

You're right, though, this exchange isn't going to change either of our mind's and so it comes down to Windward. If she's scum, well played and no hard feelings. If she's town, then she has my genuine sympathy for being placed in the tricky position of the deciding vote.

Vote: Listo

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Matthieu said:

...and yet you said this only a handful of posts earlier.

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Matthieu said:

There's no need to be aggressive...I've been busy myself throughout this game and have been dragged to the final three despite my best efforts to prevent that from happening because this trajectory was so obvious it's almost infuriating to imply otherwise at this point.

My point also wasn't just that you ended the day early so much as the fact that you didn't even comment on my own suggestions at all and then when MTR's alignment was revealed you immediately accused me of being '99% scum' and then shifted over to '100% scum'.

You also tried to kill discussion and debate, insisting that I had to be the last scum and that nobody should listen to my 'excuses'.

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Matthieu said:

Context matters.

There's enough pressure on Windward as it stands but you're essentially asking her to trust your word despite this being her first game playing with us and pointing to specific games out of the hundred or so we've played together at this point is only going to sow further confusion.

Again, context matters - I've offered myself up as a target to be yeeted in place of someone else as town if I believe they're going to be of more help than I am. I've offered myself up as a yeet in place of scum if I'm a non-power scum role and the godfather/some other valuable scum role is about to be yeeted...but that's not applicable to this game not only because I'm not scum but...because there's no power roles in play.

I also offered myself up multiple times across multiple day phases. It wasn't the usual one off. I was doing it specifically to avoid being put in this position since I saw it coming - just as Windward did in regards to herself.

I'm not really following your logic here by trying to paint me as scum. How is me offering myself up in place of Claws meant to win the game, exactly? Especially with Caito dead on day one? It's not my fault people kept yeeting other people instead of me when I begged them to sort out the mess at a point where it wouldn't cost us the game.

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WindwardAway said:

idr but VK and MTR both seemed very confident you were town.
VK thought Matthieu was also town, or rather he had all 3 of us as towny so idk what I'm supposed to conclude from that. He had meta on you and Matthieu, but not me.
MTR said he'd stake his life on you being town when I asked, so that's a pretty strong read.

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WindwardAway said:

Yeah but that's the thing, it makes sense to kill someone when you already know their wagon won't gain any traction.

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Matthieu said:

One thing that does stand out to me, Windward, is Listo's eagerness to end the previous day phase. If you go back and read through the exchange - brief as it may have been - you'll note that I proposed a couple of options to help mitigate the readily telegraphed predicament that we're in now - just like I've been saying many times already. I don't even know what I'm supposed to defend myself against because nobody is even bringing any solid accusations to the table other than insisting that someone is '100% town' and so I must be scum based on...circumstantial process of elimination? Something else? Explain, please.

I really don't want to cost us the game.

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Matthieu said:

Listo often comes across as fairly town but he can also be incredibly devious. I liked his 'catch up' posts but in hindsight I can't help but wonder - if he was scum, he'd have a scum chat to look back on as well which would allow him to custom tailor his talking points rather well.

There was a game a while back that cost town a win based on Listo being third party. He could have sided with town but chose not to and very cynically sided with scum instead - so he absolutely would throw either of us under the bus in order to win.

Incidentally, it's been the case for a while now but the main reason I trust you more than Listo is based entirely on you being 'kept around' in the same way I have been. I'm a little surprised that LDG was taken out, though, given how much of a wildcard she is.

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Matthieu said:

Some choice quotes from the earlier stages of the game. I'll post more if needed - and going back to check the context behind them is, of course, advised but I'm really note sure what Listo thinks my game plan is meant to be, as scum by asking to be yeeted/shot with the gun across multiple day phases.

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WindwardAway said:

Be back in a while, gotta walk home and then do stuff for a bit but I'll be in and out

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WindwardAway said:

Nice
Time to focus on solving Matthieu

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WindwardAway said:

Yeah but is she capable of taking a town slip as scum?

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Matthieu said:

Given his sudden shift in attitude, I'd have to say Listo. I'm not just saying that based on the fact that he's going after me, either - but when I proposed that we vote to sleep or take me out instead of MTR he didn't want to go and pursue that route but now, suddenly, he's extremely convinced that I'm the final member of the scum team. If I'm right, then he very likely isn't going to take me out during the night which means that he'll take out either you or LDG instead. I suppose it doesn't matter much who he goes for since he's perfectly capable of strong arming people into agreeing with his read.

I'd strongly suggest going back through the thread and examining my posts. I've been pretty consistent in trying to go after lurkers in this game as well as offering myself up on a platter precisely to avoid being in this exact same predicament in the first place.

I honestly don't know what to say other than that.

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WindwardAway said:

I'm still pretty sure I'm not gonna die tonight, though
LyLo will almost definitely include me because I have a horrible track record now

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Matthieu said:

On what basis? What, specifically, points to me as not being town? The entire game has consisted of people going back and forth on whether I can be trusted or not and refusing to listen to any reads I put forward as well as any attempts at mitigation I took to try and prevent me making it to end game/allowing lurkers to make it to end game.

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Matthieu said:

I'm not, though. How can I be when I've repeatedly asked to be eliminated to stop me reaching end game knowing I'd be exploited as a means of costing town the game? I haven't just pushed for that to happen once, either, I did it over multiple day phases and nobody went along with it.

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WindwardAway said:

That means i go into LyLo and we lose

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WindwardAway said:

Great, now I have another 23 hours to make absolutely no progress in my reads again

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WindwardAway said:

Yeah but you have no reason to
I could be a really good wolf
Or I could just be town who's going to get lynched out of paranoia in LyLo and we will immediately lose the game because I'm realistically the only good LyLo lynch.

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WindwardAway said:

Idk if I'm gonna be around for deadline. I feel like just letting the elim rand because I honestly don't know. If that sounds like a scummy thing to say and you're both town, then I'm sorry, I guess you can CFD to yeet me today instead.

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WindwardAway said:

Geez i don't want a turbo while I'm asleep.
Be back later and if no one has hammered I'm gonna do some iso diving for good measure before I vote again.

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PsychoSoldier said:

Accidentally tagged Kareemah instead of @Listo95

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WindwardAway said:

Yeah I've come around to:
Maybe MTR because of vibes
Matthieu because of badly placed votes, a pure town train on his wagon, and there was a third reason I forgot but I guess it wasn't important

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VoidKitten said:

Why not vote after your analysis?

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WindwardAway said:

Man, my bet's currently on Listo for being last scum, sorry to burst your bubble but I don't think the kill last night spoke in kareemah's favor, since the only slot paying less attention to the game is LDG and I've more or less talked myself out of wanting to vote her because I don't think she's scummy. Is she a liability in LyLo? Yeah, maybe, but we can avoid that entirely if we vote correctly next.

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VoidKitten said:

@Listo95

Why wasn't that one of your fake scummy as fuck vote counts? And why didn't you vote and don't give me any BS about you playing games or doing other things and forgetting.

You had AWHILE to vote and no real reason not to.

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WindwardAway said:

It's ok lol, I got completely fucked by daylight savings and missed the deadline twice

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WindwardAway said:

Er, one more thing.
Why was Mazer killed just when suspicion was surmounting on him? Was the wolf team just not reading the thread?

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VoidKitten said:

Weekends are the worst for me to actually be around. I sit on my computer all day at work so it becomes easier.

I am not saying much because i want to see what others say. Part of me wants to move off of Val onto Matthieu or MTR.

Part of me feels we need to take care of Val.

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MTR said:

I would go you/void since you two are the end of my top three.

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WindwardAway said:

You're in the PoE

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