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  1. Mazer

    Vanillatown 2: Revenge is a Dish Best Served Kosher (Mafia 3)

    Comfort zones are underrated. Why are people always trying to leave them?

    I'm trying to find one.
  2. Mazer

    Vanillatown 2: Revenge is a Dish Best Served Kosher (Mafia 3)

    Good job team.


    And great game psych. Love read- based games.
  3. Mazer

    Vanillatown 2: Revenge is a Dish Best Served Kosher (Mafia 3)

    VoidKitten said:
    Wow clearly you don't go in that discord channel much.
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    Well, I don't have that many pics of you to share.

    Your mom told me you don't like to be recorded. Guess you don't take after either of your parents.
  4. Mazer

    Vanillatown 2: Revenge is a Dish Best Served Kosher (Mafia 3)

    VoidKitten said:
    I wonder if I can sue for back child support.
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    Not sure why you're mad at me. I'm proud of you, and was even going to share your pic in a discord thread.
  5. Mazer

    Vanillatown 2: Revenge is a Dish Best Served Kosher (Mafia 3)

    VoidKitten said:
    Did you get her insurance information? Car accidents are no joke.
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    Accidents are pretty serious.

    A little more than 3 decades ago, I had an accident with your mom. And every year since then, I've had to send an anonymous Christmas card.
  6. Mazer

    Vanillatown 2: Revenge is a Dish Best Served Kosher (Mafia 3)

    If I get the gun, I may offer a 24 hour deadline on a couple alternatives for vote. I was thinking that maybe that's more focused. Like pick a few from my red or orange. Could be more focused discussion.
  7. Mazer

    Vanillatown 2: Revenge is a Dish Best Served Kosher (Mafia 3)

    VoidKitten said:
    I don't hate this post either.

    Stop making me like posts of yours.
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    oh.....look who's already started to back away.

    Your mother backed into me last night.
  8. Mazer

    Vanillatown 2: Revenge is a Dish Best Served Kosher (Mafia 3)

    VoidKitten said:
    @Mazer

    If I get a gun, will you admit I am over 90% town at least?
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    No, because maybe psycho gave it to you out of pity, hoping you somehow find a way to put yourself out of your own misery.


    And also you're afraid.
  9. Mazer

    Vanillatown 2: Revenge is a Dish Best Served Kosher (Mafia 3)

    There's really two strategies that make sense. A completely binding vote that is over in 24 hours. the gunholder commits to the vote, and you have two lynch votes for data.

    Or if someone like mr. needs artificial enhancement gets it, just fire it, you coward.
  10. Mazer

    Vanillatown 2: Revenge is a Dish Best Served Kosher (Mafia 3)

    Shooting me immediately, for anyone who wants to, would make the most sense. We'd have more time to break down the definitive knowledge.
  11. Mazer

    Vanillatown 2: Revenge is a Dish Best Served Kosher (Mafia 3)

    VoidKitten said:
    Oh no. I see. You mean immediately. Absolutely not. I get at least 24 hours to bicker with you first.
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    I'm taking my kids to an AEW show in about an hour and a half.

    If you get gun, just assume that every 5 minutes I'm insulting you and implying that you have small testicles. Maybe even mentally work in some Krogan to Solarian type insults. If I check my phone occasionally that's what I'll be doing. Maybe if a couple others get it as well.
  12. Mazer

    Vanillatown 2: Revenge is a Dish Best Served Kosher (Mafia 3)

    VoidKitten said:
    Eh. LDG is probably lower than BN

    LDG was just town feeling. I get each game should be viewed but she hasn't rolled scum in ages and this feels like how she plays in every other game. I don't see scum LDG? I will admit im not sure if I'd see scum LDG unless there was a slip or something obvious. I just don't think a yeet on LDG is useful.

    Val did that massive post and voted me. And a lot of it was wrong based on how the votes actually were. And he admitted it immediately. I derp clear that. It feels town. I don't see scum val making that giant post at all.

    BN is a good player who can play both sides exceedingly well with very little variation. I'm cautious.
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    Meant to ask. if you find that the second scum was an inactive player, does that change your view of Val at all?
  13. Mazer

    Vanillatown 2: Revenge is a Dish Best Served Kosher (Mafia 3)

    VoidKitten said:
    Eh. LDG is probably lower than BN

    LDG was just town feeling. I get each game should be viewed but she hasn't rolled scum in ages and this feels like how she plays in every other game. I don't see scum LDG? I will admit im not sure if I'd see scum LDG unless there was a slip or something obvious. I just don't think a yeet on LDG is useful.

    Val did that massive post and voted me. And a lot of it was wrong based on how the votes actually were. And he admitted it immediately. I derp clear that. It feels town. I don't see scum val making that giant post at all.

    BN is a good player who can play both sides exceedingly well with very little variation. I'm cautious.
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    Val's votes have often been questionable, regardless of AI. I struggle with reading him. The one game i played with him as scum, he disappeared for days. Made early mistakes as he caught up, and then played a very solid endgame. It was a gambit of emotions for me.

    but BN I have a fairly solid town argument for based on Peter's vote. Val, I have none
  14. Mazer

    Vanillatown 2: Revenge is a Dish Best Served Kosher (Mafia 3)

    VoidKitten said:
    I would probably shoot Mazer if I had a gun, if we collectively didn't come to a better choice. And if I died from it, I'd be okay with it. It means Mazer would die the next night but having 24-48 hours of being able to give his theories without anyone having to worry might actually be worth it if he is town.
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    If you get a gun, shoot me immediately. Or anyone who wants to.

    I'd invite 2 days of tree stump work vs. how inane this has been, and vk expecting 60 posts of no change in frustration or tone.
  15. Mazer

    Vanillatown 2: Revenge is a Dish Best Served Kosher (Mafia 3)

    Why LDG and Val ahead of BN?
  16. Mazer

    Vanillatown 2: Revenge is a Dish Best Served Kosher (Mafia 3)

    VoidKitten said:
    Why are you loaning him inactives?
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    Because we have enough to spare?
  17. Mazer

    Vanillatown 2: Revenge is a Dish Best Served Kosher (Mafia 3)

    But there's a chance I'm overreading it, because I'm not sure Kareemah was in any real danger.

    Just a mild difference
  18. Mazer

    Vanillatown 2: Revenge is a Dish Best Served Kosher (Mafia 3)

    Mazer said:
    If Matthieu was town wouldn't change my view of future. Nothing that I can remember there that would impact that read.

    If Matt was town, I would move you to higher than 90%. I'm not sure if it would impact my feeling on windward. I'd honestly have to see how that played out. Right now, i learn more if he's scum.

    I don't see him as town as that paradigm shifting. If future was town, matthieu staying on kareemah might look worse.
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    Meant to say "if future was scum".

    Matt then staying on kareemah as his loan inactive looks a bit worse.
  19. Mazer

    Vanillatown 2: Revenge is a Dish Best Served Kosher (Mafia 3)

    VoidKitten said:
    I know you did. But if Matthieu is town, does that change your priorities? Does anything shift specifically if Matthieu flips town is all. Or the same list still goes on.
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    If Matthieu was town wouldn't change my view of future. Nothing that I can remember there that would impact that read.

    If Matt was town, I would move you to higher than 90%. I'm not sure if it would impact my feeling on windward. I'd honestly have to see how that played out. Right now, i learn more if he's scum.

    I don't see him as town as that paradigm shifting. If future was town, matthieu staying on kareemah might look worse.
  20. Mazer

    Vanillatown 2: Revenge is a Dish Best Served Kosher (Mafia 3)

    WindwardAway said:
    Eyeing Mazer tbh

    I think independently they both have scum equity, Future more than Mazer, but I could absolutely see them as partnered because even if Mazer has been side eyeing Future he hasn't made a move to start a wagon there, despite being given the option to. He went for Matthieu and Claws yesterday, which matches with his readlist, but I could see them as partnered by way of not really giving strong reads on each other. Mazer has only really said Future could be potential scum when there was discussion about his slot.
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    You know I asked about him yesterday, and have him as a top 2 right? After his one post today, he might actually get my shot.
  21. Mazer

    Vanillatown 2: Revenge is a Dish Best Served Kosher (Mafia 3)

    VoidKitten said:
    This feels so towny that I will be so sad if he isn't.

    I am now in Matthieu's pocket.
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    ...now....
  22. Mazer

    Vanillatown 2: Revenge is a Dish Best Served Kosher (Mafia 3)

    VoidKitten said:
    @Mazer

    If Matthieu is town, who do you look at after him?
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    Future is the one I've moved to the other high spot.

    i made a whole list of my priorities, and updated. Nothing today has deviated on this much. Future's post today clearly puts him in red threat.

    Windward is the other who has potential to move up.
  23. Mazer

    Vanillatown 2: Revenge is a Dish Best Served Kosher (Mafia 3)

    VoidKitten said:
    Do you want to keep beating this dead horse or continue wasting more of our living time arguing the same point.

    You know I'm not scum. There is no point in arguing my comments. You know they aren't coming from a scum PoV. Maybe I'm wrong and have bad views.

    Why not talk about it to others? I am on, albeit loud and annoying, opinion.
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    One of us will die soon. then the other will die after. Seems relevant for you to have a correct focus. I want my teams to be 2-0 this style.

    And, honestly, I am annoyed by the read and want to make sure that I don't have to deal with it again.
  24. Mazer

    Vanillatown 2: Revenge is a Dish Best Served Kosher (Mafia 3)

    I should do yoga before posting in the afternoons.

    Asshole factor goes up.
  25. Mazer

    Vanillatown 2: Revenge is a Dish Best Served Kosher (Mafia 3)

    VoidKitten said:
    You weren't an N1 kill. That's my point. To kill CWE, Matthieu (and Val based on that other scenario) would have needed to decide that CWE was the person they wanted to get rid of. I'd think they'd go elsewhere? But maybe I'm wrong. I was wrong about Claws.

    If y'all want to train Matthieu tomorrow, I'm not going to stop anyone.

    But seriously, the gun should be used tomorrow on someone we think is actually scum or someone who being told they are town will clear the PoE. Because the person who is shot won't live long most likely.
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    And you should KNOW Caito is very likely to request, really demand, the CWE kill. CWE wasn't a n1 kill last game, and you're assuming that mathieu remembers and overrides it.

    And once again, completely devalue it for me. Someone who actively agues against even early kills from previous games, and once created a whole game called "CWE Makes Endgame" based around the premise that CWE finally be able to live.

    Its Fine Ok GIF by ZDF Magazin Royale
  26. Mazer

    Vanillatown 2: Revenge is a Dish Best Served Kosher (Mafia 3)

    Blind Ninja said:
    With night going as long as it is... does lend to an inactive team or teammate...

    I know when ive been scum, going into a night phase we've had conversations about who a good target is and dont always wait.

    So going 20hrs without could be inactives... or could be Psycho is busy and hasnt had time to post the results of night.
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    I don't hate this take. I mean, I know you love inactive kills. But I don't hate this take.
  27. Mazer

    Vanillatown 2: Revenge is a Dish Best Served Kosher (Mafia 3)

    VoidKitten said:
    I'll take the gun. Honestly, I'd like it. I expect to die tonight or at least sometime soon. at least my death can be clearing of someone else.

    Plus, I get to murder someone and look even worse when I train town for the second time.
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    if I don't get the gun, I hope karma gives it to you.
  28. Mazer

    Vanillatown 2: Revenge is a Dish Best Served Kosher (Mafia 3)

    VoidKitten said:
    This entire post didn't help me move you anywhere closer to town in my mind, lol.

    You are going sarcastic and not asking or explaining why they are befuddling. You are going with jokes.

    I don't think anyone else is having difficulty seeing where my reads come from. They may not agree, but this doesn't feel like town mazer.

    When I said I laughed for reason, I had you and Claws as the final 2 while you had Claws/Matthieu. And I said this would be too easy.
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    I think I actually have.

    Your read on me is based on your point you made in Kingsmen. Where you talked about how when I'm town I can help myself with trolling. I've moved my amount of cavalierness some. A weakness used to be that I was too cavalier as town, to the point where if I joked at CWE's first push, he would tend to back off. In honesty, my cavalierness tell is most correlated with my stress relief desire and/or my comfort with a situation. Like in Kingsmen, when I was trying to be the scum bait. In this game, I'll be nightkilled. There's no risk of a shot.

    You are inconsistent in your clears. Your pressure on claws, as I said even when I supported the move, was somewhat on the press on you. And on the very same page, you used it back up your clearing of Matthieu. I'd love for me to show you where he's been active on moving cwe off a kill. It is befuddling to me that you seem completely dismissive to one of my core values as a player.

    Also, I think that Claws made it well. You have no positive voting trends on val, mattheiu, etc and you are more worried about PG (now BN), who had an early vote on Caito.

    My jokes should be viewed as me trying to put a jovial tone, since it's a game. And I don't actually want to cause more people to jump out windows and self-vote.
  29. Mazer

    Vanillatown 2: Revenge is a Dish Best Served Kosher (Mafia 3)

    FutureHold said:
    I'm just trying new strategies, in actuality, this is just a lot for me, and i need to reread the thread and look over things slowly
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    Is the strategy how to avoid pressure when your team is hit early?

    New scenarios are tough.
  30. Mazer

    Vanillatown 2: Revenge is a Dish Best Served Kosher (Mafia 3)

    VoidKitten said:
    Yeah, I am pretty okay with going after Mazer. He has been on the edge of his sarcastic play most game. He then changed it up but is back being sarcastic instead of discussing.

    No, I do not see Matthieu and Val killing CWE when they are proponents of not killing people early who died early recently. Maybe one of them by themselves with someone else pushing it, but I don't think CWE gets chosen if both were scum.

    Peter threw down a random vote? It means nothing. I have absolutely voted scum team members on Day 1. Unlikely for them to go over. If they do, I look good typically. Peter is pretty null.

    BN on the other hand at least has more going for it and is something I can deal with.
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    I'm not being sarcastic. Like to the point I have to remind myself that it's early, and it's possible for you to be this off.

    Your reads are befuddling me to the point that I had to create a new theory about you having a plan. like a good guy version of a 3rd party play.


    So maybe more cavalier than sarcastic. Which is a pretty common flippy flop based on my mood.

    Although I am wondering if I gave you a complex in an earlier game. I am working on healing plan for you. Also not sarcastic.
  31. Mazer

    Vanillatown 2: Revenge is a Dish Best Served Kosher (Mafia 3)

    VoidKitten said:
    And I don't see Val and Matthieu killing CWE?
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    Now you're trolling me.

    Are you not factoring Peter's early vote on Caito?



    Or are you doing a secret plan?
  32. Mazer

    Vanillatown 2: Revenge is a Dish Best Served Kosher (Mafia 3)

    VoidKitten said:
    Our typical games are very mechanic heavy and role madness, but have writeups that show who was targeted by what characters (if the action goes off). You can use the writeups to narrow down who can be what. But no claiming whatsoever allowed.

    As for your question, I am looking at Mazer and then Future/PG as the lowest on my trust. Matthieu and Windward are after.

    With PG it was not having anything, but we can see how BN does. For Future it was how he posted when he came back. I leaned it town because it seemed similar to Kareemah, but outside of that I had nothing and there was nothing further and he still hasn't shown.

    If I had a gun and had to shoot immediately (I wouldn't immediately), I'd probably go between Future or Mazer. Possibly Matthieu if most people wanted to clear him from any type of PoE
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    Peter Griffin lower than val, windward, LDG, etc? How so? Did he also make a comment about the person you wanted to die trolling?

    I had to go look at that Satsu vote again.
  33. Mazer

    Vanillatown 2: Revenge is a Dish Best Served Kosher (Mafia 3)

    WindwardAway said:
    Impressive
    The last game I played with over 20 players ended on D2 because the scum team screwed up and outed themselves because they thought it was a multiball (it wasn't, they were the only scum, so in offering openly to collab with town they just sentenced themselves to death)
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    I guess my whole thing about the person who makes sure the group project is done correctly did not apply to that team.
  34. Mazer

    Vanillatown 2: Revenge is a Dish Best Served Kosher (Mafia 3)

    WindwardAway said:
    Oh wow, you usually play larger games here? I have the opposite problem: I'm more accustomed to solving small/mid-sized games (17 or fewer players) and it takes me a couple days before I can really get going. I hyperfocus on a small number of slots to start out and I get in trouble for it every time 😂
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    A lot of the recent ones have been in the mid to high 20s.
  35. Mazer

    Vanillatown 2: Revenge is a Dish Best Served Kosher (Mafia 3)

    Mazer said:
    Getting my reads out now, been data dumping through the morning, so will have missed anything after like 8:30. I'm going mostly off memory, so there's a chance I'm missing something or made a mistake. We still have some time to shoot holes.

    Threat Levels
    Red-I feel like there's danger here. A bare minimum should be highest vetting priority
    Orange-I can't mentally build a good town case-could go either way
    Yellow-Most likely safe, there might be something that just keeps me from 90% (as an example my respect for Psych means he will never rank a lower threat than yellow. even if we're masons together.)
    Green-Feel strongly confident in a town read.

    People within colors are in no particular order

    Green-
    Jarrod-Jarrod passed my early test. This is probably town Jarrod. I think scum jarrod usually comes in and votes for claws. The only motivation I could see for not is if he wants to pocket me as his primary defender prior to that vote. Still feels low probability

    Kareemah-her case was pretty succinct and strong. Not a lot yesterday changed. If I'm very wrong, and she is scum, I would suspect a less active partner.

    MTR- Seems town mtr, although like jarrod, I was a little thrown early. Was the Caito counter train. Only break this glass in case of emergency. Although the claws train is understandable, nobody should get bonus points for being on it. Mtr's train now had 1 known town on it now, but there are still 2 people on POI list on it. Maybe he's light green on it.

    Yellow-I'm to get some of my deep dives out here, so they're on record for folks, in case they're helpful as the game progresses.

    Peter-Early Caito voter. yellow instead of green, because we should know better than ruling out all trains at this point. I have a bit of a fear that there could be a sacrifice play (claws read on Peter contradicts exact plays I've set up with Peter in scum chat, his first game he was almost sole survivor in one of the most complex games I've ever played), but anyone who looks at that unless late game gets desperate is probably stretching or on agenda. Welcome Blind Ninja.

    VK-Probably town. Satsu tied the Caito vote. My respect for Voidkitten's scum game stops this from going too far into green. My deep conspiracy is around Vk talked about him throwing a vote on scum teammates early, and that it was a 50/50 in a game where Caito seemed disengaged. it would be a great clear play. I don't think this should be a high priority, and is probably only relevant if there are a few mislynches and he's still alive and looks wolfy. If he's not clean, we're probably in a bad place. But an ounce of prevention and all that. Nobody moves up on trust when we're wrong. But not a real change, and still only on the deep conspiracy list.

    LDG-I do not currently have a read on her, but I think it will become apparent eventually if we need to worry. Also, the LDG should be in yellow font. Without a vote, sadly, I'm going to need to upgrade LDG to Orange. Although i will keep her with yellow font. I'm hoping she will have the opportunity to get her vote in early this phase.

    Orange
    Windward    -I pivoted between yellow and orange here. Windward seems like a strong player, and I have no baseline on them to be really confident in my reads. My gut says their approach is more consistent with a default town approach, but that's little more than gut. Obviously would be better if they have a vote on record last phase, but did not get the feeling at all that they were avoiding. The orange ranking is more reflective of my own lack of confidence in reading an experienced player that is new to our group than any definitive point. Same thing. None of us get to move up on trust when we're wrong. She at least seemed willing to take matt, so if he is dirty, that helps her a bit, even with the later flip to claws.
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    Mazer said:
    Val-I do not have a strong read on val, and I almost never do. Always a danger to fly under radar. nothing really AI that I saw, but he also looks worse if Matt is dirty.

    Future-early meme vote and then very little. Possibly flying under the radar. If claws is indeed dirty, I don't clear much from claw's pressure as claws was pressed from the early point, and none of his comments on future had much heat. I feel like there's some small chance. Encroaching on Red.

    Red
    Claws-I love Claws like I love Grip6 belts. They're snug and comforting. And when they're on, things just feel more secure. And I'm not a paid endorser for either. But claws pinged early (even though he is notoriously difficult to read), and he was the first to move to mtr (already discussed) when there was press on Caito and matt. He's thrown out lines to see if he can fish. And I read him as he knows what is going on. I loved that when I asked him to rank people, and he didn't rank Mattheu. Who has been a person I posted about, has posted a lot about. I close my eyes. Only for a moment and the moment's gone. All my dreams, pass before my eyes a curiosity. Dust in the wind. All we are is dust in the wind.

    Matt-I'm not going to go through all my thoughts on Matt again. But the one thing I'll add, if there was a world where we had 2 right off, that matt's responses line up nicely with one hail mary strategy. Yep. Said a bunch here.

    Also, one we all sometimes have keeps these in the red threat. Sometimes things seem a bit too obvious, and people want to play the big master detective. And then something that was obvious early will get ignored too long (or completely). I fucked up a game a few months ago, by voting Rando at the end, rather than going back and seeing what was obvious with Pabs's team. I was able to exploit this last game to end up stretching things out until it got beyond voting, and ghostbusters, where we went almost let future hang around so long he was getting near endgame. Long aside, but the high probability things that we allow to linger without continuing to press on or act on are dangerous.

    Thank you for coming to my Red Threat Ted Talk
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  36. Mazer

    Vanillatown 2: Revenge is a Dish Best Served Kosher (Mafia 3)

    VoidKitten said:
    Not anything I would say is alignment indicative. He always votes sleep and then random votes/OMGUS votes.

    However, I did make a comment in my notes about Matthieu that his vote coming off of sleep was strange. Just more of a passive thing. Not even the target. But him saying "See I can make a real vote" or whatever he said wasn't something I normally see.

    But that is really it. The rest was what I perceive as town but its a weaker read now for sure after the Claws flip. I don't know if I'm at the kill it with fire stage, but he is dropping down.

    So is Winward. And you, but that is more because I refuse to let you fool me and you are good. Its a very similar reason to why Windward is going down further.
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    yes, yes. You're content to be the Narnian dwarves in The Last Battle. Let's just assume I'm not asking for you to validate me, and save us both some time. I'll take it as a compliment, and both Town Mazer and Scum Mazer will tuck it away for future use.

    You're probably town, and have the only counterpoints on mathieu. So need to vet that out. So if there's not much alignment indicative in his behaviors, is this primarily just a feel read?

    Honestly, that's primarily why I'm ok with Jarrod. And I think it would have been easy for him to just vote claws. unless he was trying to pocket me. that's the only reason why I could see a scum Jarrod not just going along with claws. So, still have him as town.
  37. Mazer

    Vanillatown 2: Revenge is a Dish Best Served Kosher (Mafia 3)

    PsychoSoldier said:
    Sorry all, overslept my nap a bit. Phase officially ended at 8:08pm EST, this is the final vote count


    Vote Count
    5 - Claws (Kareemah, VoidKitten, MTR, Val the Moofia Boss, Windward Away)
    3 - Matthieu (Mazer, Claws, Jarrod1983)
    1 - VoidKitten (Val the Moofia Boss)
    1 - Kareemah (Matthieu)

    Not Voting: FutureHold, Peter Griffin, LemonDemonGirl

    You sweet, sweet, summer children...
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    Because we're usually dealing with 4-6 person scum teams, we typically assume a certain level of strategy. Odds are good that they'll get at least one person who responds to the less actives when they pop in, watches the flow, and at least strategizes some if other people get busy etc. The kind of person who made sure everyone on the group project turned their shit in, and wrote the References Cited. Often there are at least a few. So we keep that mindset throughout the game.

    We can't make that assumption here, with a 3 person scum that lost one day 1. There could be two inactives, two talky talkers, or anything in between.
  38. Mazer

    Vanillatown 2: Revenge is a Dish Best Served Kosher (Mafia 3)

    VoidKitten said:
    For Matthieu,

    It feels town. Every post still feels town. But he will absolutely be one to use AtE to survive as scum. He will also self vote as both alignments and act this way when he is being potentially eliminated as both.

    When he was in the ToL games, he was the hunter and was offering to be yeeted constantly because he knew of the retribution ability and bluntly stated he was the hunter on like D2.

    I can see it going both ways now as much as I want to call it town.

    But, it would be very ballsy to offer to be shot after a town flip when he was the other object. Is it a ballsy play to seem town? Or is he just town.
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    This definitely a challenging game (one of the reasons I like it), because we have to push reads and rely on info differently. I'd typically still be more cautious on putting things out, but without night actions, that luxury isn't there.

    My concern with your matthieu read, is it seems like you're wanting to back up your vibe. Which could be something I'm doing the same on, based on an opposite early read.

    Yesterday, you were on claws for voting you, but matthieu got a pass for saying you were pressing him. Then you didn't think he would kill cwe n1, but you apparently think I would. it seems like you're clearing him on things that are lesser than others.

    I do appreciate the perspective on his earlier games. Definitely the hunter is a little different, and I don't want to overread that retribution, but good to know the previous playstyle.


    Day 2 aside, do you think I'm wrong to consider his day 1 vote a concern trigger?
  39. Mazer

    Vanillatown 2: Revenge is a Dish Best Served Kosher (Mafia 3)

    WindwardAway said:
    Actually maybe it's not matthieu

    I can definitely see scum staking their life on town, but I don't know if I see scum staking their life on town and then going "well I told you, and now you're gonna kill me anyway so why bother?"

    I would've expected him to have a bit more fight left than that, granted RE4 is a thing, but I'm gonna try focusing elsewhere for a bit.
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    As much as I want matthieu pushed, only focusing on him would be a mistake. One frustrating thing here is how often, town or scum, people respond to basic questions or pressure by pretty much giving up. happens so much, people know "it's a play'

    regardless of matthieu's alignment, getting nothing from future is not helping.

    i still think Kareemah is town, but we need a little more during day phases.
  40. Mazer

    Vanillatown 2: Revenge is a Dish Best Served Kosher (Mafia 3)

    At least we have one read to feel confident in.
  41. Mazer

    Vanillatown 2: Revenge is a Dish Best Served Kosher (Mafia 3)

    Welcome blind ninja, I like your odds right now.

    Looking forward to your reads.
  42. Mazer

    Vanillatown 2: Revenge is a Dish Best Served Kosher (Mafia 3)

    Matthieu said:
    Whoever gets the gun just shoot me when the next day phase starts. I'm glad I decided to go with my gut on Claws but to be honest with Resident Evil 4's remake launching at midnight tomorrow...I don't see much point in arguing back and forth only to become the next Claws.

    Just look at Mazer when he leads not one but two innocent men to the gallows.
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    Sure.

    Claws was all my fault.

    I would have loved to see one mildly relevant point.

    The telepathy to be the one person instantly out on claws was amazing.
  43. Mazer

    Vanillatown 2: Revenge is a Dish Best Served Kosher (Mafia 3)

    VoidKitten said:
    Sigh. I’m sorry Claws.
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    This was a mistake that could be made.

    But if i die tonight, and you keep clearing Mathieu, I will kill you.

    A lot.

    Kenny/caito will look like a mercy.
  44. Mazer

    Vanillatown 2: Revenge is a Dish Best Served Kosher (Mafia 3)

    Psycho saying that makes me feel better about it.


    He's a mentalist, that guy
  45. Mazer

    Vanillatown 2: Revenge is a Dish Best Served Kosher (Mafia 3)

    Modding does help.

    As long as it doesn't become an addiction.
  46. Mazer

    Vanillatown 2: Revenge is a Dish Best Served Kosher (Mafia 3)

    WindwardAway said:
    Nah but I just like solving. Social deduction is fun.
    It's also incredibly frustrating every time I have a board game night with friends and they all try to vote me out immediately because they assume I'm good at mafia, and I'm town and have like a 90% accuracy rate on finding scum in those games because people aren't good at lying.
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    I enjoyed live mafia too. it's been years. Was pretty solid.
  47. Mazer

    Vanillatown 2: Revenge is a Dish Best Served Kosher (Mafia 3)

    VoidKitten said:
    You're not my dad.
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    Awkward, but I've been meeeannning to talk to you about this.

    That anonymous christmas card you've received every year? I hope you bought yourself something nice
  48. Mazer

    Vanillatown 2: Revenge is a Dish Best Served Kosher (Mafia 3)

    VoidKitten said:
    I'm terrible at mafia, tbh.

    I just like arguing with people.
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    No you don't
  49. Mazer

    Vanillatown 2: Revenge is a Dish Best Served Kosher (Mafia 3)

    VoidKitten said:
    I think if you had actually lived you'd have enjoyed manipulating the mechanics.
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    entirely possible. The solving style just didn't pop as much for me.

    On very limited exposure. Maybe I would feel different with more.
  50. Mazer

    Vanillatown 2: Revenge is a Dish Best Served Kosher (Mafia 3)

    Wasn't as much my thing. Mechanics calculation on claims not as interesting to me.

    Not saying I didn't think it was good, just not a top style for me.

    Maybe would have cared more if I live longer sometime.
  51. Mazer

    Vanillatown 2: Revenge is a Dish Best Served Kosher (Mafia 3)

    VoidKitten said:
    I will be sad if Claws flips scum. That would be the second time I have tunneled him to death. The other two times he was actually scum.
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    You're pushing my buttons Roger.
  52. Mazer

    Vanillatown 2: Revenge is a Dish Best Served Kosher (Mafia 3)

    VoidKitten said:
    Some mods want it. Some don't. I don't require it when I host.
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    Because you love anarchy
  53. Mazer

    Vanillatown 2: Revenge is a Dish Best Served Kosher (Mafia 3)

    Voidkitten will do a countdown for you every minute.

    to help you relax.
  54. Mazer

    Vanillatown 2: Revenge is a Dish Best Served Kosher (Mafia 3)

    VoidKitten said:
    I don't think anyone can say it bites them in the ass when I am the one pushing everyone for it. Just say you listened to me.
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    Certainly a viable strategy. I have my take, but think people should vote where they feel most probable.

    And not out of fear.
  55. Mazer

    Vanillatown 2: Revenge is a Dish Best Served Kosher (Mafia 3)

    WindwardAway said:
    Wait is claws still voting himself
    Click to expand...
    No.
  56. Mazer

    Vanillatown 2: Revenge is a Dish Best Served Kosher (Mafia 3)

    WindwardAway said:
    I actually forgot about that
    Click to expand...
    That was the first impactful trigger for me.
  57. Mazer

    Vanillatown 2: Revenge is a Dish Best Served Kosher (Mafia 3)

    VoidKitten said:
    I'm likely dead, but if Matthieu does flip town, Winward has to move down my trust list.
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    I would expect you would move everyone who voted down. If claws is dirty, and matt clean, it would look particularly bad.
  58. Mazer

    Vanillatown 2: Revenge is a Dish Best Served Kosher (Mafia 3)

    WindwardAway said:
    What gets me is that he said he voted because he was being asked not to vote sleep, and then picked an inactive anyway.
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    And the mtr on day 1. retaliation was not relevant until I voted for him, then he quickly popped on the just started mtr train.
  59. Mazer

    Vanillatown 2: Revenge is a Dish Best Served Kosher (Mafia 3)

    VoidKitten said:
    I take mountainous seriously. It's my favorite playstyle.
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    You are a serious lad. With grave concerns. And a heart that loves too much.
  60. Mazer

    Vanillatown 2: Revenge is a Dish Best Served Kosher (Mafia 3)

    REALLY committed to that Kareemah vote.
  61. Mazer

    Vanillatown 2: Revenge is a Dish Best Served Kosher (Mafia 3)

    Or that matthieu hasn't come into tie it up.
  62. Mazer

    Vanillatown 2: Revenge is a Dish Best Served Kosher (Mafia 3)

    VoidKitten said:
    This really sounds like you should just vote Claws. I want my info :)
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    i'm surprised you haven't tried to talk windward into a tie yet.

    You've changed
  63. Mazer

    Vanillatown 2: Revenge is a Dish Best Served Kosher (Mafia 3)

    So this is where I was at earlier this phase:

    Mattheu meme voted. And then was silent. Which I don't abhor, but I needed to make sure didn't take off. As one of Rajah's foremost ND1L crew, I wanted to send a strong message. And lo and behold, at that point, the votes for MTR came on. His reasoning there, admittedly was in retaliation. Which seemed less relevant until I came on, but was still directed at mtr, who has been on quite a scum run, and has been easy to get heat on.

    Today, he has pulled away from claws with the rationale that it's too soon to get a read, but has pulled for inactives. Which is not indefensible, but seems like a low probability shot that would probability wise be more likely to hit a good guy. And ignores that Psycho seems to be proactive on warnings


    I can't see anything off here. And I'll be honest, although i still think claws is a good look. i have him in number, because there's some small maybe this is town pings and because i see some similarities to how he reacted in x-men when vk and I took him out.
  64. Mazer

    Vanillatown 2: Revenge is a Dish Best Served Kosher (Mafia 3)

    VoidKitten said:
    Clearly my scum chat.
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    I wasn't saying that.

    Looked like you said you got a message. I was hoping there was something, because even as frustrated town that wouldn't have been cool for him to do.
  65. Mazer

    Vanillatown 2: Revenge is a Dish Best Served Kosher (Mafia 3)

    VoidKitten said:
    From my discord.

    image.png


    How that goes from okay yeet me to the passionate defense and the range of emotions seems a bit over the top.
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    From your discord how?
  66. Mazer

    Vanillatown 2: Revenge is a Dish Best Served Kosher (Mafia 3)

    VoidKitten said:
    I don't want spice. I want to see Claws flip so I know where to go from there.

    I don't think Matthieu is scum and think Claws has a much higher chance of being scum.
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    It's been a long day, and I'm admittedly decompressing a bit with my posts.

    But all jokes aside, I don't think there's anything wrong with this. Even if wrong, there's good logic.

    I could be wrong, but comfortable with where I'm at. I get the "most info". To me it's close enough, where I'm going with my number 1.
  67. Mazer

    Vanillatown 2: Revenge is a Dish Best Served Kosher (Mafia 3)

    VoidKitten said:
    It really isn't when I have him as town already :)
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    I just don't find your rationale on him throwing mild and incorrect shade at you, and the "not my claws" defense compelling. I haven't seen where the points I made about it after his defense on "why would I" stood.

    Admittedly, I just don't give a shit about "vote for me" anymore. it's become an every game play, with little risk, and is rarely AI.
  68. Mazer

    Vanillatown 2: Revenge is a Dish Best Served Kosher (Mafia 3)

    VoidKitten said:
    I'll be impressed with Matthieu if he ends up being scum. And then immensely disappointed in literally everyone else if he ends up being town.
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    There are still voters. Why so defeatist?

    Make your case man. Where is the spice?
  69. Mazer

    Vanillatown 2: Revenge is a Dish Best Served Kosher (Mafia 3)

    I'm never wrong about you learning.

    it's one of the 5 things I'm never wrong about
  70. Mazer

    Vanillatown 2: Revenge is a Dish Best Served Kosher (Mafia 3)

    VoidKitten said:
    For the record,

    Claws
    Mazer
    Future/PG

    That is my PoE.
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    Someday you will learn never to question the honor of the Spiderman meme. Until then, you will suffer from the wrong lessons in Kingmaker.
  71. Mazer

    Vanillatown 2: Revenge is a Dish Best Served Kosher (Mafia 3)

    VoidKitten said:
    I really hope I'm killed tonight.
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    Did you know if you try to pull up martyr in the gif function, it gives you a lot of Marty McFly?

    Fun fact, there.
  72. Mazer

    Vanillatown 2: Revenge is a Dish Best Served Kosher (Mafia 3)

    VoidKitten said:
    It is not as much as Claws. Plain and simple.

    I'm not beating a dead horse. Ya'll do what you want. I'll see you on the flipside.
    Click to expand...
    And now if he does now or even later, there's even more to be had.
  73. Mazer

    Vanillatown 2: Revenge is a Dish Best Served Kosher (Mafia 3)

    What's the count now?
  74. Mazer

    Vanillatown 2: Revenge is a Dish Best Served Kosher (Mafia 3)

    WindwardAway said:
    Yes but I suffered through the longest game ever cause the day phases were 12 irl days long.
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    Fuck. How long did that take start to finish?
  75. Mazer

    Vanillatown 2: Revenge is a Dish Best Served Kosher (Mafia 3)

    season 2 hug GIF by Blunt Talk
  76. Mazer

    Vanillatown 2: Revenge is a Dish Best Served Kosher (Mafia 3)

    VoidKitten said:
    Also, voting Matthieu was not spicy. If you swapped around and voted like Windward or MTR, THAT would be spicy.
    Click to expand...
    And now we can see if windward is going to vote today, after not voting previously
  77. Mazer

    Vanillatown 2: Revenge is a Dish Best Served Kosher (Mafia 3)

    VoidKitten said:
    Also, voting Matthieu was not spicy. If you swapped around and voted like Windward or MTR, THAT would be spicy.
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    Nowhere trains are not spicy. They are bland and undercooked.
  78. Mazer

    Vanillatown 2: Revenge is a Dish Best Served Kosher (Mafia 3)

    VoidKitten said:
    Yeah, I'm leaving my vote on Claws. Matthieus alignment does not give nearly as much information as Claws.
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    i don't actually have an issue with that.
  79. Mazer

    Vanillatown 2: Revenge is a Dish Best Served Kosher (Mafia 3)

    @Claws

    Afraid of life?
  80. Mazer

    Vanillatown 2: Revenge is a Dish Best Served Kosher (Mafia 3)

    Vk wanted to spicy. let's get spicy.
  81. Mazer

    Vanillatown 2: Revenge is a Dish Best Served Kosher (Mafia 3)

    And Jarrod even knows the movie.
  82. Mazer

    Vanillatown 2: Revenge is a Dish Best Served Kosher (Mafia 3)

    thetimetohesitate_zps5808e557.gif
  83. Mazer

    Vanillatown 2: Revenge is a Dish Best Served Kosher (Mafia 3)

    Vote: unvote

    dee3c8e60bbe875378a15c2d5bee4a47784f20aa.gif



    Vote: matthieu
  84. Mazer

    Vanillatown 2: Revenge is a Dish Best Served Kosher (Mafia 3)

    Jarrod1983 said:
    I'm right here. My lawn maintenance is handled sir.

    I'll vote Matthieu but nobody seems to want to do that this phase.
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    excuse me sir.

    excuse me.
  85. Mazer

    Vanillatown 2: Revenge is a Dish Best Served Kosher (Mafia 3)

    WindwardAway said:
    But like
    I cannot make myself want to move the wagon elsewhere if Claws is just gonna go "your loss" every time he gets wagoned
    If he's town, we can afford a misyeet and gain a ton of info from it since he's been a hot topic for all of the day phase. If he's scum, lol, lmao.
    Click to expand...
    Would you vote claws and worried about hammer?

    I can unvote and pop my vote back before deadline, if you're worried about killing things. Or are you wishing you had time to start another train?
  86. Mazer

    Vanillatown 2: Revenge is a Dish Best Served Kosher (Mafia 3)

    keep in mind, that scum completely controls the day beginning time.


    So don't rely on night phase to get your thoughts out.
  87. Mazer

    Vanillatown 2: Revenge is a Dish Best Served Kosher (Mafia 3)

    Jarrod maybe hasn't posted that much.

    Mazer, Vk, mtr, and claws have been pretty chatty.
  88. Mazer

    Vanillatown 2: Revenge is a Dish Best Served Kosher (Mafia 3)

    Jarrod1983 said:
    We did dominate. It was glorious.

    I think we will be best served to trust our guts in looking for scum on our grass. If your gut says something go with it.

    We need to talk everything out. We dominated the first Vanillatown because town wilted at no night actions and they didn't really communicate in thread. It made it easy for us to divide and conquer.

    I also think going with a no lynch here is a mistake. Usually I'm all for it D1 because of the information we'd get during the night phase. We're not getting that this game so the day vote is all we have to go on.

    I'm 100% town but even if we decide to vote me out, there will still be a list of people to look at from my mislynch. We can't afford to miss one day of voting because that's one phase of information we need.
    Click to expand...

    I'm going back to this point. Everyone should be talking everything out now. Lots of questions. There is no information coming at night. And holding things back for too long is suss.

    Still curious what will happen to the inactives Psych has already warned.
  89. Mazer

    Vanillatown 2: Revenge is a Dish Best Served Kosher (Mafia 3)

    WindwardAway said:
    But like
    I cannot make myself want to move the wagon elsewhere if Claws is just gonna go "your loss" every time he gets wagoned
    If he's town, we can afford a misyeet and gain a ton of info from it since he's been a hot topic for all of the day phase. If he's scum, lol, lmao.
    Click to expand...
    Everything, that's been thrown his way is true. I still might have preferred matthieu. But it's hard to not see a lot of the points.
  90. Mazer

    Vanillatown 2: Revenge is a Dish Best Served Kosher (Mafia 3)

    VoidKitten said:
    Not that I believe no.

    Future is one of the lower ones on my patented list of trust.
    Click to expand...
    You're probably right.
  91. Mazer

    Vanillatown 2: Revenge is a Dish Best Served Kosher (Mafia 3)

    Also, I had the call I've been pissed about for 48 hours a little while ago.

    And in fact it did piss me off even more than i thought it would.


    motherfuckers at a higher level than you who throw the "You should have done this 6 months ago for me.", and don't like the response "6 months ago you thought you needed something completely different. Today, you still don't know what you want to do. When can you get me your names?"
  92. Mazer

    Vanillatown 2: Revenge is a Dish Best Served Kosher (Mafia 3)

    VoidKitten said:
    I was only being mildly bitchy. It happens.

    <3.
    Click to expand...
    I was talking myself into future, and wondering if future clears claws any.
  93. Mazer

    Vanillatown 2: Revenge is a Dish Best Served Kosher (Mafia 3)

    VoidKitten said:
    He started this day at 8:08 ET. So almost 2 hours left.
    Click to expand...
    well, I need to adjust my settings.
  94. Mazer

    Vanillatown 2: Revenge is a Dish Best Served Kosher (Mafia 3)

    I just went back and realized this is on EST on my computer.
  95. Mazer

    Vanillatown 2: Revenge is a Dish Best Served Kosher (Mafia 3)

    VoidKitten said:
    It would clear a slot that could go either way. I'm not sure what other answer you expected with a grand total of like four-five posts.

    Future would be my choice for an inactive shot tomorrow before knowing claws flip and whomever dies tonight (if i lived)
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    I'm not being pissy, just trying to get an opinion from you on connections.

    I think psych posted 13 hours at 616 am.
    Vote: vote claws

    I love you
  96. Mazer

    Vanillatown 2: Revenge is a Dish Best Served Kosher (Mafia 3)

    VoidKitten said:
    In what regard? With a flip of Claws? Or just looking at him in general.
    Click to expand...
    If future flipped?
  97. Mazer

    Vanillatown 2: Revenge is a Dish Best Served Kosher (Mafia 3)

    @VoidKitten

    What do you think we learn if we look at futurehold?
  98. Mazer

    Vanillatown 2: Revenge is a Dish Best Served Kosher (Mafia 3)

    His take on how town needed to play from day 1 was pretty good
  99. Mazer

    Vanillatown 2: Revenge is a Dish Best Served Kosher (Mafia 3)

    WindwardAway said:
    I still want to vote claws but I don't know if I have a good reason to
    At least he's active and fighting back against his wagon. Too bad that doesn't just automatically clear him as town cause I'm gonna sit around all night wondering about him if he doesn't flip, and then repeat the same thing tomorrow wondering who the hell we're voting.
    Click to expand...
    For some reason, his line about assuming that two would die has been the thing that makes me teeter.

    And yes, I'm 100% concerned that I'm not listening to my own rant.
  100. Mazer

    Vanillatown 2: Revenge is a Dish Best Served Kosher (Mafia 3)

    Listo sainthood reference-checked off.

    Got a little lazy with that day 1.
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