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Matthieu said:

Likewise, well played and I hope you play with us again - I had fun, even if it was an uphill battle. I expected to be eliminated much sooner and probably would have won if Caito hadn't been the one to get eliminated back on day one.

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Gg, you did well to survive this long. You guys had a rough start with that D1 Caito lynch for sure.

PsychoSoldier said:

Oof, that timing

Vote Count
2 - Matthieu (Listo95, WindwardAway)
1 - Listo95 (Matthieu)

That's a lynch. I'm actually just about to head out to celebrate my birthday, so uh. Y'all are gonna be waiting a minute.

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Happy bday, enjoy the night!

Idk why I'm laying all my cards on the table now, I don't really need to, and I also probably shouldn't vote this early but I've made my choice and I don't think I'm changing my mind again.

Let's win this game.

Vote: Matthieu

Idk if it qualifies as 5D chess but since Listo towncleared LDG but was pretty afraid she'd snapvote in LyLo, and was trying to gain at least some control over when and whom she would vote, I figured she wasn't going to be killed by him if he were scum, no matter how many times I echoed his opinion that LDG was locktown.

I kept doing that to see if i could steer Matthieu to kill her instead. I had to make it sound like I had a reasonable doubt that the final wolf was Matthieu and also loudly announce that I was certain LDG was town so that I would ensure I'd be kept alive but also not in LyLo with LDG, because I thought if I made it into LyLo with her, there was a nonzero chance she'd vote me just because she was more familiar with Matthieu. I kept expressing doubt on Listo to a degree higher than I actually had, because I didn't want him to be the night kill if town (sorry I probably made you suffer in LyLo, though).

It was clear to me that you two would vote each other in 9/10 cases, and it was not clear to me who LDG would vote, hence I wanted her to be the night kill rather than myself, as much as I hate LyLo.

Listo95 said:

Also that’s a fucking BS reason in why I’d kille LDG. I’d never kill LDG cause I’m pretty certain I’d get her to follow me a shit ton easier than relying on an unknown.

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I fully believe this btw

Tbh I couldve snapvoted early in the day and probably ended the game way earlier by doing so, especially since neither of you seemed like you'd ever vote me, and if I voted correctly we'd have been guaranteed a town win at that point. I just wanted to make sure I was accounting for all variables and not rushing into things and overlooking something important.

I asked for old games to check your meta but I don't actually feel that I need to, because I already got quite a bit from the response there and what's ensued after that.

The thing is, I see Listo talking like he knows he's town and straight out pushing Matthieu.

Whereas Matthieu is still refuting Listo's points rather than pushing him hard, and while that could be a playstyle thing, it also looks to me like Matthieu is replying as if Listo isn't scum.

I mean, both of you are appealing to me to try to sway my vote, but Listo is worried I'll vote wrong, and Matthieu is worried I'm wolfing instead. And the way the wording is, I find Listo to be more believable.

Honestly, well played, Matthieu, you've kept a pretty even tone throughout the game. You did a great job shifting attention off yourself by offering to flip pretty much every single day since Claws started becoming a wagon.

All right thanks! Gonna take a look at some of those tonight.

Do you guys have an example of a recent scum game I can skim through?

I hate being the deciding vote in LyLo lol

Listo95 said:

Or wait was that in response to Matthieu?

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idr but VK and MTR both seemed very confident you were town.
VK thought Matthieu was also town, or rather he had all 3 of us as towny so idk what I'm supposed to conclude from that. He had meta on you and Matthieu, but not me.
MTR said he'd stake his life on you being town when I asked, so that's a pretty strong read.

Yeah but that's the thing, it makes sense to kill someone when you already know their wagon won't gain any traction.

Matthieu said:

The key phrase there being 'almost never', eh? I need to go back and check, but wasn't Void casting doubt on you this game?

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iirc he never did.
The only thing that may have resembled casting doubt on Listo was when VK went and tagged several people in separate posts to ask them to defend themselves on why they aren't scum.

Be back in a while, gotta walk home and then do stuff for a bit but I'll be in and out

Matthieu, I know you can't answer for them but why do you think both MTR and VK were dead certain Listo was town? MTR even said he'd stake his life on it.

Regardless of my current stance on the solve, I'll take the time to go through and review stuff and ask questions before I vote.

I can play this game, too

WindwardAway said:

Thank god it worked

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Repeating over and over again that LDG was spewed town

Thank god it worked

Like I'm fairly sure I'll be alive and not dead because I'm not 100% convinced without digging up the evidence again, but I am like 90% there

Listo95 said:

Well it’s 100% him lol.

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Yeah there's nothing to solve wrt LDG and by now I also believe you're town
Just wondering why we all let Matthieu stay alive for so long, that was probably paranoia getting the better of us

Nice
Time to focus on solving Matthieu

LemonDemonGirl said:

I've been Third Party at least three times as well.
Blame RNG for being annoying af

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Oh wow lol

It's probably gonna be LDG cause she spewed herself town, and imo it's not a debatable thing

Well there's not much to talk about now, until the kill processes

Matthieu said:

Yeah. I don't even remember the last time LDG was scum, come to think of it. She seems to end up rolling town more often than not.

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That's to be expected, given the probability of rolling town in every game is always higher than the chance of rolling scum (except if the game setup is completely scuffed, which I've admittedly seen, but in most cases that's not a traditional mafia game).

Matthieu said:

We can't rule anything out and stranger things have happened. I'd be surprised if it were the case, certainly, though purely on the basis of examining every possibility some of LDG's posts do arguably have an almost 'duper's delight' vibe to them.

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The vibe I got was that she literally has not paid attention to anything in the game except for two things.

One, that VK said she could be a liability in LyLo, and two, that Val was inactive.

WindwardAway said:

Yeah but is she capable of taking a town slip as scum?

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EBWOP: *faking

And yeah, that's what I thought tbh

Matthieu said:

So you're just gambling on a whim and risking a loss, then? Assuming you can be trusted.

That said, I will be equal parts infuriated and amused if everybody has just been giving LDG a pass based on LDG doing LDG things only for it to turn out that she's the last remaining member of the scum team.

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Yeah but is she capable of taking a town slip as scum?

I'm still pretty sure I'm not gonna die tonight, though
LyLo will almost definitely include me because I have a horrible track record now

The other thing I've learned is that Matthieu is probably very tonally consistent as any alignment lol

This game has made me realize I literally make up reasons to support my reads instead of the other way around, lol.

Numerous people have pointed out that I do it throughout my forum mafia career, and I always deny it, but I have legit dug for reasons in this game to support extremely weak reads that I made on a whim because I felt like I needed to justify gut reads, and clearly it didn't make them any more real lol.

Matthieu said:

I'm not, though. How can I be when I've repeatedly asked to be eliminated to stop me reaching end game knowing I'd be exploited as a means of costing town the game? I haven't just pushed for that to happen once, either, I did it over multiple day phases and nobody went along with it.

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Then who's the last wolf in your opinion? It wasn't MTR.

Listo95 said:

Scum is Matt. I know I’m town. LDG is locked town due to a post she made. I trust you’re town.

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Yeah I'm also sure LDG is town lol

Sorry MTR :(

That means i go into LyLo and we lose

Well shit

Matthieu said:

If you aren't scum, then it's very possible that I'll be the one to the killed during the upcoming night phase to get the remaining three players to point accusatory fingers at one another. So I think that's something people need to bear in mind and account for - as well as not rushing into the next day phase with any votes as it'll only take two (?) to successfully get off an elimination.

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That would be terrible good for clearing you but bad for all other reasons, lol

Vote: MTR

MTR is now at L-1.

If MTR doesn't have any last words, I'm fine with a hammer whenever.

MTR said:

Kareemah was town so therefore Listo is town.

I was down to Val and Matthieu and more I look I say Val is town and Matthieu is the way to go. I admit more of a gut read at this point but the way I am feeling

If we are going to run two trains then we need to get off Listo and switch to Matthieu

Vote: Matthieu

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Matthieu said:

Unvote: Kareemah
Vote: MTR

Very little has changed since the previous day phase, though you were claiming back then that you were uncertain as to where to go. Now you're suddenly all for eliminating either Val, myself or both of us.

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MTR said:

Okay. So trying to look back through all of this and not quite able do as much as I want. Here is just where I stand

Listo town because Kareemah was town. She was not the other scum.

LDG is being town LDG or at least not scum LDG to me.

The more I look I am thinking the same thing about Val.

Void and Windward seem to be actively trying to solve things and just come off town to me

Matthieu is also throwing things out when he is around.

If I had to do a top three then Matthieu, Val, either Void/Windward

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WindwardAway said:

OK, it sounds like Matthieu is lowest in your readlist by a fair bit, do you have a full case on him or is it mainly by process of elimination?

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MTR said:

Combination of process of elimination and gut read.

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WindwardAway said:

Ok, and if we flipped him today and he hypothetically flipped town, would you go to Val next or would you have to reconsider?

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MTR said:

I think I would go Val next

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WindwardAway said:

And what if Matthieu flipped town and then Val died at night? You'd go into tomorrow with me/Void/Listo/LDG.

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MTR said:

I would go you/void since you two are the end of my top three.

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Listo95 said:

Looking back through Future posts, he rarely talked about Val except calling him town on D3 and then instantly saying he could be a potential scum at end of day. His final post said he thought Kareemah (my slot) and Windward were scum. Then mentioned Void/MTR/Val as possible options for scum

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MTR said:

I have been going town on Void but now that we are the end I am starting to wonder a little

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OK so I'm dumping quotes here

MTR did say he preferred yeeting Matthieu to Val yesterday, so that does line up with his voting. He didn't start out the day thinking Matthieu was scummy, just that he was less towny than Val.

However, as I pointed out earlier, MTR put a bit of shade on Void and it never caught on for anyone else, which is also why I think MTR would've chosen to kill Void last night - VK was widely townread, loud, and mightve been pushing correctly. (And again, that's why I spent yesterday and last night repeating over and over again that I'd never tinfoil VK, because I wanted to ensure his death, as odd as that sounds.)

Other notes:

Everyone seems to think Listo's slot is town so he's probably actually threadspewed town now, which is good because I don't need to worry about him anymore.

LDG is probably town so the PoE is still MTR/Matthieu with one of them being the last wolf.

I was kinda hoping MTR would say something after I attempted to vote him when I mistakenly thought it was a minute to deadline. It was a legit error on my part, but I kinda hoped I could turn it into a reaction test. We're less than 4 hours to EoD, and he hasn't come back. It could be a recency bias, but I am increasingly certain that all of the dead townies who thought MTR was a wolf might be right.

Do we think Future couldve rule-of-three'd his remaining partner in listing Void/MTR/Val as his PoE before he flipped? I think it's reasonably likely, and we know that Void/Val were both town. He was probably antispewing because he also listed Kareemah earlier and pushed on me somewhat aggressively for part of the day , and I know I'm town and now think Listo is also town, so throwing down 3 names at the very end before flipping seems like he just wanted to hastily create WIFOM, and very likely threw a wolf in there.

Well, I guess I've made up my mind now. I don't think my opinion really changed at all in the last however many hours, but at least I've found evidence that points to MTR being the correct elimination.

There were 3 scum to begin with, Caito flipped scum, FutureHold flipped scum, and there's only 1 left now.

LemonDemonGirl said:

How many Scum should be left now? I'm thinking two or three

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One

Well, so much for people saying things

Listo95 said:

If you want we can just end this phase since I doubt anything is gonna change soon.

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Nah, might as well wait till closer to deadline, just to make sure nobody has anything else they've suddenly thought of that they want to say

Great, now I have another 23 hours to make absolutely no progress in my reads again

Ah damnit, I thought it was deadline

If im wrong, I'm sorry MTR

Fuck it I won't let my vote stay idle

Because I'm loud, I'm mostly townread, and I've been wrong the entire game. Doesn't that raise any red flags for you?

Listo95 said:

I’d rather we not have a CFD on you because I at least trust you more than everyone else.

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Yeah but you have no reason to
I could be a really good wolf
Or I could just be town who's going to get lynched out of paranoia in LyLo and we will immediately lose the game because I'm realistically the only good LyLo lynch.

Idk if I'm gonna be around for deadline. I feel like just letting the elim rand because I honestly don't know. If that sounds like a scummy thing to say and you're both town, then I'm sorry, I guess you can CFD to yeet me today instead.

Well idk who it is anymore, I think I misread MTR's post and he was actually talking about if yesterday had hypothetically gone differently

@Matthieu any thoughts on this?

I don't get it. You said after that you think I'm town, but on the other hand you'd yeet me right after Matthieu, meaning you're more certain I'm scum than Listo or LDG.

I mean you voted 4 minutes after the start of day, so you must've been aware the day started, and yet you forgot VK is dead already?

PsychoSoldier said:

NIGHT FOUR

The days after the big battle were too quiet. The Kosherville Resistance were on edge, knowing the retaliation would come, but growing ever nervous as the days went by without any real response. Well, Val the Moofia Boss had been killed in a routine Flavor Check, but that was par for the course at this point.

What they didn’t know is that Flavor 4 was using this Flavor Checks as an opportunity to interrogate and torture the citizens of Kosherville to squeeze out any juicy information about The Resistance. That is what we catch him in the middle of doing as he’s grinding a cheese shredder against the back of a block of cheddar. He hollers out in pain, never before experiencing such excruciating pain. Flavor 4 thought that surely this was enough.

“Come on, pal - there’s no reason to protect your friends. We’ll get you one way or another whether I get the info I need from you or one of them. So I’ll ask one more time - “

He pushes the shredder up against the cheddar’s back.

“Who is a part of the Kosherville Resistance?!”

VoidKitten laughs to himself, at the end of his rope and knowing he’ll die before this is over. He spits on the ground defiantly.

“You aren’t getting shit from me. We may not be perfect, but The Resistance will whittle you down one-by-one. And soon, they’ll find you, Flavor 4. And when they do…you’re a dead man like the rest of your crew.”

Flavor 4 had heard enough, as he begins shredding away with intense fervor, leaving nothing left of the inquisitive cheese.

VoidKitten has been killed. He was a piece of buttered toast, Vanilla Town.

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It is now Day Five. With 5 players alive, it takes 3 votes to reach majority. You have 48 hours(Deadline @ 7pm EST)

Player List
2. @Matthieu
4. @LemonDemonGirl
6. @MTR
10. @WindwardAway
11. @Listo95

Dead Players
1. Caito - Flavor 2, Mafia Goon
2. CWE - Vanilla Town
3. Claws - Vanilla Town
4. Mazer - Vanilla Town
5. Blind Ninja - The Ghost of Vanillatown, Town Desperado
6. FutureHold - Flavor 4, Mafia Goon
7. Jarrod 1983 - Vanilla Town
8. Val the Moofia Boss - Vanilla Town
9. VoidKitten - Vanilla Town

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MTR said:

Down to the end.
Vote: Matthieu

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You were definitely around after the kill was announced, why is VK still in your PoE?

MTR said:

Windward because Windward and Void were the next people on my poe list and I am assuming Void still gets taken out during the night.

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Wait what

LemonDemonGirl said:

I'm sick so don't worry about that

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Hope you feel better soon

I wish this weren't what essentially feels like a waiting game, at this point

Geez i don't want a turbo while I'm asleep.
Be back later and if no one has hammered I'm gonna do some iso diving for good measure before I vote again.

Wait majority is 3 today

Unvote: MTR

MTR said:

I don't know what else I can say or do to show I am town over Matthieu. I have explained my reasoning on why him. Nothing else I can do.

Go ahead and yeet me today and when I flip town you will see who the scum is. However I bet he takes you out Windward in the night phase.

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Idk, if you're town and the last wolf wants to silence the town, then yeah maybe I'll die. But if I'm loud and wrong, I'll likely make it into LyLo. Of course, that's all wifom but this is generally what tends to happen. Regardless of whether I'm alive or not, if today is a misyeet then there's a greater chance that scum will win the game, because either LyLo will be quiet, or a wrong read might stagnate and end the game.

Vote: MTR

MTR, time to defend yourself.

It's MTR.

He still had VK as some sort of possible tinfoil until it looked like that paranoia wasn't catching on. I considered faking paranoia on VK just so he could grace the thread with his presence for another day, but then decided the risk was that actual paranoia would set in and people would try to yeet him in LyLo, so I just kept repeating the entire day that he was locktown to me and it seems like that sealed his fate, because I was loud about it and had a very strong opinion.

I was gonna wait to post this until later, after MTR replies to Matthieu, but I probably won't be around for ~12 hours so I might as well just say this now. Matthieu has better posts than MTR right now. I'd shine a spotlight on Matthieu *if* MTR flips town, but as of right now I think that's where we should be looking. Which is kinda funny, because then it's the second game this year that I've played where the D1 wagons were w/w in a near-vanilla game and town spent almost the entire game yeeting itself.

I just got home and don't actually have the energy to say much rn, so bear with me for a bit

I'm leaning MTR over Matthieu not just because of VK, but because of that post that VK didn't like. I didn't like it either. I'm assuming Matthieu is gonna come in and vote MTR back, so I'll withhold my vote for a bit and see if there's anything new in the thread before I make more commentary.

PsychoSoldier said:

NIGHT FOUR

The days after the big battle were too quiet. The Kosherville Resistance were on edge, knowing the retaliation would come, but growing ever nervous as the days went by without any real response. Well, Val the Moofia Boss had been killed in a routine Flavor Check, but that was par for the course at this point.

What they didn’t know is that Flavor 4 was using this Flavor Checks as an opportunity to interrogate and torture the citizens of Kosherville to squeeze out any juicy information about The Resistance. That is what we catch him in the middle of doing as he’s grinding a cheese shredder against the back of a block of cheddar. He hollers out in pain, never before experiencing such excruciating pain. Flavor 4 thought that surely this was enough.

“Come on, pal - there’s no reason to protect your friends. We’ll get you one way or another whether I get the info I need from you or one of them. So I’ll ask one more time - “

He pushes the shredder up against the cheddar’s back.

“Who is a part of the Kosherville Resistance?!”

VoidKitten laughs to himself, at the end of his rope and knowing he’ll die before this is over. He spits on the ground defiantly.

“You aren’t getting shit from me. We may not be perfect, but The Resistance will whittle you down one-by-one. And soon, they’ll find you, Flavor 4. And when they do…you’re a dead man like the rest of your crew.”

Flavor 4 had heard enough, as he begins shredding away with intense fervor, leaving nothing left of the inquisitive cheese.

VoidKitten has been killed. He was a piece of buttered toast, Vanilla Town.

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It is now Day Five. With 5 players alive, it takes 3 votes to reach majority. You have 48 hours(Deadline @ 7pm EST)

Player List
2. @Matthieu
4. @LemonDemonGirl
6. @MTR
10. @WindwardAway
11. @Kareemah

Dead Players
1. Caito - Flavor 2, Mafia Goon
2. CWE - Vanilla Town
3. Claws - Vanilla Town
4. Mazer - Vanilla Town
5. Blind Ninja - The Ghost of Vanillatown, Town Desperado
6. FutureHold - Flavor 4, Mafia Goon
7. Jarrod 1983 - Vanilla Town
8. Val the Moofia Boss - Vanilla Town
9. VoidKitten - Vanilla Town

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Well that's the second most boring kill after the Jarrod kill, lol

MTR said:

At this point it is mostly process of elimination.

LDG is town.
You are town.
Windward is town.
Listo is town.

Everyone is else is town and I am convinced of it which leaves him.

Throw in just a bit of a gut feeling and that is where I am at.

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Why am I town

So if you're a misyeet then I wouldn't want to touch you tomorrow
Idk, I'm still weighing my options and I'll spend the full day figuring this out

Matthieu said:

I'm not really sure where to go from here and I'm not entirely convinced it's wise to say who I trust and suspect since if everybody does that, whoever the last remaining scum is can potentially kill whoever will cause the most chaos/frame a specific person by sending major heat and attention their way.

Void and Listo know as much, but I'm not really the 'deep analysis' type of player. I just react to stuff as it happens and generally stick to my gut feels for better or for worse. I only make big, ballsy gambles when I have something to fall back on as a power role. Which isn't the case this time around given the game's setup.

So yeah, if we can afford another misyeet then take me out tomorrow.

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Problem is that I don't want us to end up in LyLo because I think the game will be a loss if the last wolf goes that far

VoidKitten said:

I don't hate that post as long as more does come after this.

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Same
It's a start, looks promising
I want to hear from Matthieu too

VoidKitten said:

Yeah, I think I am the logical kill choice tonight. Maybe LDG if they want to try and do the whole arguing in lylo thing?

Me, Windward, and MTR/Matthieu as the final 3.

:D

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Gee that would be fun lol

I'll dig through MTR's and Matthieu's isos when it isn't nearing 4 in the morning and I have another two fucking long days before I can actually relax a little

I'd be fine with dying since I don't have meta on anyone here that's useful for LyLo, but sadly that is almost definitely the reason I'll be kept alive

WindwardAway said:

Oh yeah I was wondering what was up with that
Especially since only one of them can be scum lok

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Lol*
Whoever of them is town should probably explain themselves asap

VoidKitten said:

I also liked how both Matthieu and MTR went at one another when everything was pointing to Val.

And then it was just left there. No convincing anyone of either side.

Now which side was more scummy?

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Oh yeah I was wondering what was up with that
Especially since only one of them can be scum lok

I've concluded that scum!Matthieu can offer to sacrifice himself over Claws pretty safely if he knows there's a 90% chance Claws will always flip first, and then Matthieu will never be looked at again until LyLo

VoidKitten said:

I would go for MTR or Matthieu.

They have the flimsiest reasons, for me, to be town.

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Yeah I've come around to:
Maybe MTR because of vibes
Matthieu because of badly placed votes, a pure town train on his wagon, and there was a third reason I forgot but I guess it wasn't important

VoidKitten said:

Hence why I warned about the random vote in lylo.

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I believe you now lol

VoidKitten said:

Of saying its town LDG.

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Yeah so let's just win the game and not go into LyLo lol

There's just... No point to it

I mean yeah it's fakeable but it sure doesn't benefit the last wolf to fake that

No need to tell me, this is town!LDG, something something random spontaneous votes but especially because it's... on herself, during the night?

LemonDemonGirl said:

Alright I'll blow my fucking brains out. Happy?
Vote: LemonDemonGirl

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Wtf it's night phase

VoidKitten said:

Jarrod mostly pushed Val, Kareemah, and you.

If we want a legacy read from Jarrod, he would push Kareemah (Listo)

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Do you remember why Jarrod wasn't looking at Matthieu?

WindwardAway said:

Yeah I know CWE was doing odds on a train but my thought was that because Mazer made a strong point on Matthieu, CWE may have had a very good point

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Additionally, look back at what I pointed out from D2
Every single one of the votes on Matthieu at final count is dead and flipped town.

VoidKitten said:

So CWE was just doing odds of where people fell on a train. He is towny and has no agenda.

Mazer is 100% on Matthieu which was one of the reasons I took him out of full on town mode.

And yeah, I forgot that one about Claws actually.

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Yeah I know CWE was doing odds on a train but my thought was that because Mazer made a strong point on Matthieu, CWE may have had a very good point

WindwardAway said:

Legacy reads from dead townies
I'm sorry I'm too tired to pull legacies from BN and Jarrod but if someone wants to take up the torch, please do

If Claws was right then I need to reconsider MTR
If CWE and Mazer were right, Matthieu is more likely the last scum

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I mean to say, Claws did bring up an interesting point that Caito didn't self-pres
Idk if the second scum would try to save him since he wasn't around? Future was on MTR and iirc that was an early vote park, but I think so was Matthieu's vote
Do they both do it as scum and then scram when Caito ties with MTR and hope luck is in their favor?

Claws said:

sumthin i will point out is caito didnt try to self preserve by voting mtr why is that ?

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CWE said:

Matthieu, Claws, LDG

Look at 'em good people.

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CWE said:

Those 3 are strictly because they were 2 3 and 4 on mtr.

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Mazer said:

If Matthieu was town wouldn't change my view of future. Nothing that I can remember there that would impact that read.

If Matt was town, I would move you to higher than 90%. I'm not sure if it would impact my feeling on windward. I'd honestly have to see how that played out. Right now, i learn more if he's scum.

I don't see him as town as that paradigm shifting. If future was town, matthieu staying on kareemah might look worse.

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Mazer said:

Meant to say "if future was scum".

Matt then staying on kareemah as his loan inactive looks a bit worse.

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Legacy reads from dead townies
I'm sorry I'm too tired to pull legacies from BN and Jarrod but if someone wants to take up the torch, please do

If Claws was right then I need to reconsider MTR
If CWE and Mazer were right, Matthieu is more likely the last scum

Sell me on why it's MTR if you're going to insist it isn't Listo

Actually nvm i don't think it's Matthieu
Two wolves piling on MTR immediately looks terrible

PsychoSoldier said:

Vote Count
4 - MTR (FutureHold, Matthieu, Claws, LDG)
4 - Caito (CWE, Peter Griffin, Val the Moofia Boss, Satsu)
1 - Matthieu (Mazer)
1 - CWE (Caito)
1 - FutureHold (MTR)
1 - Claws (Jarrod1983)

Not Voting: WindwardAway, Kareemah

Final Vote Count. Phase is over. Results incoming.

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MTR and Future were voting each other, meanwhile Caito flipped wolf and Future was wolf with him

Thoughts?

Gonna check D1 final vote count to see where Future and MTR were and then I'm going the fuck to sleep

It's probably someone who doesn't even fit into my D2 wagon analysis
Like MTR, whose posts i don't even think are overwhelmingly towny
Id probably lose to him

I'm gonna lose us the game regardless of who the last scum is, I can feel it already

I hate that I let paranoia get the better of me and that the thread talked me out of keeping Val as town for his vote placement on Caito

VoidKitten said:

My legacy reads:

Town:

Listo
Windward
LDG

Scum:

MTR - I would kill this first.
Matthieu - He can die second.

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OK, why does scum!MTR push Matthieu over Claws on D2? Why does scum!MTR care about that if both of the wagons were town?