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Thanks for running this, VK. Looking forward to your revenge

I think it makes it clear that Medivh is not DivaSmurf. I'm inclined to look at what other actions has DivaSmurf done. I did see this one earlier

DivaSmurf was looking through his handy utility belt. He grabbed an item and quickly set out from his room. DivaSmurf ran across SubZero and attached a device to him. DivaSmurf quickly ran back to his room and gave someone credentials to check out SubZero.

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Sauron said:

DivaSmurf was given a mission and he would see it through. He went and found Medivh, watching where he was going. DivaSmurf snuck up behind Medivh and cut a hole in Medivh’s bag, laughing as things started to fall out. Medivh saw things falling and quickly tried to pick them up, completely distracted from what he was doing.”

I’m trying to decide what this means for Medivh.

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I read this as a block, but perhaps it was an attempt to steal / copy an ability that Medivh has. The other possibility I thought of was that it was an attempt to find out what role Medivh had?

One more thing I noticed that I don't think has been commented on yet. Sora was revealed as a hiding commuter, but was nevertheless taken out by scum masquerading as town 3pup. If this means it had to be a ninja kill, then why was Art seen at all? Or is this how a motivated / enhanced action means. Again, not being familiar with how motivation works, I'd appreciate hearing how it "usually" works, and what VK is more likely to have done.

Pablo was a motivator, and had motivated Sephiroth. It isn't clear what Morrison's role was, but Morrison first electrocuted SubZero, and later slit his throat. This reads like Morrison motivated himself before the kill, but I'm not sure if it is possible for a scum to have multiple actions. Also, since Morrison was trying to kill SubZero, what was Lora trying to do to Moana, that apparently failed? Scum doesn't usually get multiple kill attempts per night.

GrumpyCat said:

I thought scum were hiding from writeup, tracks and watches. In such case SubZero shouldn't be able to see Art.

If it only his scum from writeup then Art can still be scum. He can only be Matthieu right? I don't know to confirm it unless Matthieu appears in a writeup. If so it should technically clear Art.

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Yes, I pointed out yesterday that since Art cannot act, and the rest of scum except Mathieu have acted after the entertaining stumping, if Art is scum he can only be Mathieu.

I have less experience playing than many others, and I haven't seen how a "hide all scum actions", or rather a "make all scum actions appear to be coming from town" role would work. I suppose both are possible, but Is either way more likely, in a game run by VoidKitten?

I guess that if someone has an investigative role, it would still work on Art, but there are higher priorities to be looking at.

Trying to separate the flavor from the game events.

Since Mazer, the Supremacy leader, and Firebird the backup, are both now gone, the Castle named after Mazer is no longer their hangout. The Mission Adjusted may have been something that gave them not just a new evil lair (involving sonar?), but I also wonder if any of the roles/powers that Mazer and Firebird had are now transferred to someone else among Morrison, Lora, and DivaSmurf. That's assuming I am right about ArtTheTreeScum.

It wouldn't be as simple as @MasterChief being the master that the talking magical evil lighted Castle was referring to here - would it?

Castle Rezam growled and its voice sounded throughout the land. “M..m…mission adjus..ted. A..activating sonar. G..goo..dbye M…aster”

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VoidKitten said:

I edited the writeup slightly.

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This came after @VoidKitten "died" in the writeup. Despite the fact that I will never fully trust a mod, I'm glad VK is still alive. Part of me worried that this wasn't flavor and the light may have blinded us

Since Twin flipped as expected, because he got copped, I wouldn't be surprised if there were scum on that train. I was not surprised to see that the reveal turned out to be MTR.

Twin's Voting history points to clearing Hulk as well. Also, the following I find interesting -

Twintania said:

Okay. Trying to see what else I can add here.

We got a stump and yet people think stump was scum. That is interesting. I think Art was town and it all good and lets see if they can continue to help us solve.

Interesting that people think Sauron is possible scum. To me when scum did that bus drive on Applejack they were hoping to take out Solidsnake if Listo hit AppleJack but instead Listo took out their buddy. so Sauron subs in and to me I feel like both them and Solidsnake are town.

I like both trains going today but I have to say I am going with Peach. We have tiptoed around this yeet it seems. So lets do it.

Vote: Peach

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The comment on Art being town is very suspect - it feels like Twin was trying to lead us toward thinking someone else was scum. Similar, his "clearing" of both AJ/Sauron and SolidSnake doesn't feel great - it felt really soft, but it may have been true in order to make himself look good.

Twin clearly knew Peach was town and was along for the ride.


So, looking back at the concern about Art being identified despite Morrison hiding all scum actions, I noticed that Art was never identified in the actual writeup. He was named by Subzero who had gotten the information that he was the one who visited Sora. So, @GrumpyCat, could it be that Morrison's action only hid the scum from the writeup, replacing them with town who had also acted, and was not able to prevent trackers/watchers from seeing who really acted?

XavierWoods said:

I think it was a consensus that with the circle of light spreading, it was a better idea to end the day early then let it reach full size. No telling what it would have done. In a previous game there was a similar mechanic that occurred. I believe there was a reduced chance on NAs when we let that day go on after multiple warnings.

Sleep vote is better then not voting. Not voting would have given listo another potential target.

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I hope so.

VoidKitten said:

Game Announcement:

MasterChief and JackSparrow decided to touch the light as well and both received a burn. They quickly realized that the light would soon spread over the entire area leaving no room for anyone. They ran off to tell everyone else.

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With the light spreading and these 2 posting immediately after, I read the above and immediately wondered if the burn meant they are getting blocked tonight, or if they are Listo's target choices.

Sorry I missed the warning that the day was ending early. I hope my sleep vote won't come hurt me.

I am wondering if ending the day early was a scum attempt to learn more about whether Listo HAD to act, or if they were simply trying to shut down further conversation about who we should look at next, and why.

Sephiroth said:

Town reads are good, but I do not support hard clears without a couple points of validation. I've discussed gamerunning with void, and I'd wager heavily that void has an additional spreadsheet buster built in.

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I don't doubt that. But void also has messed with us by having roles that do not appear in the write-up. Unless players are perhaps just not acting?

It's very hard to put a spreadsheet together when we don't have the list of characters.

Medivh said:

Uuugh. Sorry for the silence today, I had to get a new pc.

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Hopefully new and improved?

So if Art is town, then Hulk could still be Mathieu, who was blocked last night.

JackSparrow said:

you might not like it but that is an actual possibility like i said it would be risky

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This is not a possibility. Moana is clean

Reading back on a few more posts following Night 3, when Art got stumped. I am feeling more confused.

@GrumpyCat, I'd like your thoughts on Art.

Sauron said:

@Listo95 why did you stump Art?

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You don't expect someone to outright claim, do you? I suspect it was because ArtTheClown was suspected as being scum, because none of his posts were at all helpful to town. @Listo95 is the biggest reason we Riff-Raff have a chance.

Sauron said:

Again, I’m asking since I KNOW I’m town, why does hypothetical scum!Twin defend me?

Answer this.

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Point taken and considered. There are some very good players here, most with a lot more experience than I certainly have. I believe the discussion is WIFOM. Scum has information that town doesn't, and they know that town will look for motivation behind every action. So scum might try to manipulate town into overthinking, or at least getting into analysis paralysis.

Twin could have been thinking that, hey, Sauron is a little sus now. So if Twin posts on the side of defending Sauron, if Sauron gets yeeted and flips, it helps Twin look clear. But if Twin is yeeted first, those of us who go back to look at older posts would see it, and add more sus to Sauron, so Twin helps his scum cause. It isn't that complex of a motivation.

I am not sure I am buying it. Twin is the priority for this day phase. Perhaps you may have night action to put yourself in a better position to defend yourself later.

Twintania said:

And you hit Austin with a car but I don't hold that against you.

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That was my player's action, not my character/role. Has nothing to do with this game. You got copped IN THIS GAME.

I welcome your thoughts, however, and anyone elses' input as to my comments on @ArtTheClown aka ArtTheTree. Because if he is actually town, there's another scum we have to keep looking for.

Twintania said:

Can't a dragon go watch some wrestling with a good buddy without coming back to being attacked? What ever did I do to you guys? Just rude.

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You got copped.

I must be doing something wrong as my vote/unvote did not register.

Just to give folks a little more time -
Vote: Sleep

I am clearing Hogan for now. And I know for certain that Moana is town like me.

The suggestions have been to clear Arceus, Medivh, and GrumpyCat - I have to look through this a lot more but for now I lean them town.

Presuming there are 4 scum left, with Twin and Sauron being the most likely, we need (at least) two more, most likely coming out of probably JackSparrow, Bacon, MasterChief, Sephiroth, and Woods.

Any suggestions / info that might clear any of those 5 would be welcomed.

Twintania said:

Okay. Trying to see what else I can add here.

We got a stump and yet people think stump was scum. That is interesting. I think Art was town and it all good and lets see if they can continue to help us solve.

Interesting that people think Sauron is possible scum. To me when scum did that bus drive on Applejack they were hoping to take out Solidsnake if Listo hit AppleJack but instead Listo took out their buddy. so Sauron subs in and to me I feel like both them and Solidsnake are town.

I like both trains going today but I have to say I am going with Peach. We have tiptoed around this yeet it seems. So lets do it.

Vote: Peach

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This was the post I noticed from Twin. It didn't sit right with me as the stumping came from town member Listo. The defense on Sauron also makes me pause, especially if Twin flips red.

MasterChief said:

I swear I read that someone thought Art was town, but maybe it was just Rikishi saying he thinks theyre scum. I think that combined with the spotting Art could be Mattheiu is giving me good feels about the big man

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It was Twintania suggesting in yesterday's phase that Art was town. And if Twin flips red, as we suspect, it would not surprise me that he tried to sow more confusion. Maybe it is just wishful thinking on my part, as I want more scum dead. With 14 players left alive, I'd rather it be 10-4 town than 9-5.

MasterChief said:

For me Arceus and Grumpycat are basically cleared as town

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Why is that? I still have a lot to sort out.

But with Morrison acting twice, is it possible that Mathieu's role allows him to appear in the writeup as one of his teammates?

We still don't have all of the characters identified, as my list includes 7 scum total (4 potentially remaining in Lora, Firebert, Morrison and DivaSmurf, with potentially Mathieu still out there to be flipped. Even after I add my own to the named town list, and accounting for Foxxi as purple, I only come up with 22 named characters so far.

If ArtTheTree is scum, he would have to be Mathieu, who hasn't flipped, but also hasn't acted since Day 2. Art was stumped Day 3.

Sauron said:

Does the colour of the text mean anything? Some players are red and others’ green?

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As I understand it, green are the players alter-egos, while Red (supremacy) are scum, and Blue (Riff-raff) town. The one purple was 3rd party.

VoidKitten said:

Badger was watching NXT again when he saw Twintania walking through camp. He called over Twintania and had him join in watching the matches, trying to discern where Twintania really had his interests.

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This read to me like Twin was copped.

XavierWoods said:

@Sauron Now that youve had another night to read the thread, any opinions?

@Medivh Who are your top 3 town/scum and why?

@Rikishi @HulkHogan If 1 of the 3 WWE folks are scum, who do you think it is and why?

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I know I am town, and absolutely don't know about both you and Hulk. I lean you as more neutral than town because of your voting record, but your posts feel a bit more townie of late.

Why is it that you feel a wrestler has to be scum? Hogan hasn't been super vocal and while I like what he posted, there isn't enough of it to make me feel like I can come off of neutral at best.

I am also back to thinking that our stump ArttheClown was scum. The simple fact is that he hasn't posted anything remotely useful to town, and a town stump would have -no fear whatsoever of doing so. The lack of reveal adds to the uncertainty and therefore benefits scum.

To start off, I still don't understand whatever the heck the Princess Peach was doing. Lying to fellow townspeople, in a game where we have so little ability to use prior experience to read each other, certainly felt like a scum move to me. Clearly it did to a lot of us, including our most vocal SZ. RIP, as your voice will be missed here.
The Princess was a targeted backup, and Croissant was a bodyguard. I don't know what a targetted backup does, but maybe it does nothing until we lose a doc or a cop?


It appears to me that Twintania was copped.

I will
Vote: Twintania

and then
Vote: Unvote to give more folks time

MasterChief said:

I very much distrust Xavier right now too. Everything he posted on this page is just wolfy

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I don't feel great about King Woods any longer, but mostly it was based on his two late switch votes to yeet townies. I can see your point that his posts feel kind of, well, forced/unnatural, but I can also read them as honest confusion.

As for snake, I lean town for him.

Finally back at my computer - We need three more votes to hammer, but I feel better as long as we keep the Princess in the Modified Majority. I am always going to be wary of scum potentially ending a day early to leave non-voters at Listo's mercy - though do I think if they had that power they might save it until it potentially benefits them more. So let me ask everyone please vote before we hammer, because I don't fully understand what triggers Listo kills - is it random among non-voters, or among those who haven't had sufficient posts each day? The flavor of the write-up infers it hasn't always been the same.

Sauron said:

I’m not scum and if I can figure out how to navigate this formatting, I’ll hopefully be able to prove that. Anyway, I apologize fir my outburst but I’m just really frustrated.

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No worries, Sauron. I spent the day out and about, with very little time to check in, and this place is noticeably harder to navigate on a phone than it is on a computer. And I was able to go right to look at new posts - I didn't have to go through 19 pages.

For you, and for the others that have not voted yet, and for anyone who is not voting for the Princess now, the case for yeeting her now is pretty simple. She outright lied about knowing Croissant's role was better than hers - there was no way she could have known this. The self-vote gimmick has been used by scum fairly recently to try to gain sympathy. Additionally, the push a couple of us have been making on her for a while now has been avoided multiple times to get a yeet on our fellow townspeople.

Because of scum's actions so far, and due to the nature of the game rules, we don't have anything close to solid details on anyone else. It is much harder for us to get a read based on prior playstyle. While even I have been able to guess a couple of you, some of the flips so far have been far from who I suspected was playing them.

So while we can't be certain about yeeting anyone right now, it far and away feels like the Princess is our best shot for now.

Arceus said:

Given what I've read, and general impressions, I am inclined to go along with Alysrazor as a viable alternative to Peach.

Vote: Alysrazor

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Please everybody slow down on counter trains to the Princess. I don't want her to slip again. She cannot be trusted as she has been caught lying. Get your post count up but don't give her and scum any wiggle room.

And Moana is 100% town. I understand his distrust on SZ, but I am not certain. Maybe 80%.

@ArtTheClown , can you share why you were targeted by Listo? I think you voted, but I am not sure if you contributed the recommended min 5 posts.

Its gonna be tough for me to get to 5 posts before the day ends. I am fighting a bad reaction to all the wildfire smog, and my blood pressure has been really elevated all week.

SubZero said:

Ok, 3pups did a reflective action the previous night, and Robo did the protective shield. So the kills are definitely masked actions.

There's still some other stuff I have to parse here, but the good news is that Art targeted Sora and confirms that he was the fake 3pups.

Which is good because I was gonna push him today

Vote: PrincessPeach

You're next

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How did you know that Art targeted Sora and confirmed that he was the fake 3pups? That was not in the writeup. I understand the deal here is that folks watching and tracking won't get their own info, but they will choose to send it to someone else. Does that mean Art chose to send it to you? If Art was the fake 3pups, as scum why would he be tracking and sending info to you? Or did you get it because you were also busdriven? If so, does that mean Art chose to send it to GrumpyCat?

I apologize for my confusion - I need a glass of wine. Perhaps a bottle.

I agree that the Peach train is worth continuing, but I am also very interested in looking at the voting history of the last two misyeets. There pretty much has to be scum on those trains. Especially when we consider that they have information that town doesn't.

Something doesn't add up to me. Did scum get two kill attempts - one that took out Sora, and another that Subzero survived? And both were masked, but getting action masked by 2 different characters? That seems pretty powerful.

Moana is the only one I feel certain about being town.

You're caught lying , Princess, or at the very least, deliberately evading our questions. Now I am wondering if we have enough time to get enough folks to switch votes to you.

Everyone else, please at least weigh in as to whether or not you agree that Peach is a stronger yeet candidate than any of the others today.

If I get taken down tonight, fellow townspeople, please remember that the Peach has NOT addressed how she knew for sure that Croissant was town and had a better role than she did, as she outright claimed earlier. And then look into all of the people who were defending her.

PrincessPeach said:

I have already addressed why I stuck my neck out for Croissant yesterday to the best I could without infringing upon the rules.

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You have not addressed the question as to how you knew. I'd have more respect for your position if you even acknowledged that there are theories that have been discussed, and/or you had reasons.

Part of me is considering revealing my role, to trade a town (me) for a threat (you).

MasterChief said:

At a time they could have easily been the yeet (they were the only real CW to Croissant) they tried to get people off the Croissant wagon and even went as far to self vote. I have a hard time equalling that with a scum play.

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At the time, votes were scattered all over the place. It's not like its a huge leap to expect scum would have been able protect her, by at least keeping votes scattered and getting no yeet. Especially given how hard Sora had pushed Croissant, only to back off late when there wasn't much time for a real counter.

Let's face it, when we don't have information, especially at the early stages, scum has an easier opportunity to get a misyeet, or at best, a no-yeet. Combine that with the gimmick posting and anonymity of usernames, it's much harder for us to get reads on each other.

As an example, I voted with you on ArttheClown for a good while yesterday. To that point, he was mostly gimmick posting, so of course his character felt scummy. While I haven't cleared him, I feel better about his post today.

I am going to stick with my vote on Peach because the Princess has NOT addressed her deception here, despite repeated requests. She clearly implied she had direct knowledge that Croissants' role was better than her own, yet there was no way for her to know this.

Hades, you haven't done much to solve so far, but I would welcome your reads on others. I still don't believe scum would have left you with a 75% chance of getting yeeted.

GrumpyCat said:

I like Acerus' posts and get good vibes from their attitude overall. town lean.

Alys? Who the fuck is Alys? I can get on board of bagging Alys.

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Out of all the GrumpyCat's recent post, this one stands out, and makes me wonder if Alys is Matthieu. Is this the stretch?

ArtTheClown said:

Masterchief is quickly shooting up the list. I didn't wanna OMGUS them, but their persistence on me gives cause for concern. I'm curious to know why Caito shot Subzero though.

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I read it as Caito was trying to give something to SubZero - perhaps an extra vote or something. But 3puppies had put a reflective paintjob so it failed.

I was more curious about why PabloDiablo was motivating PrincessPeach?

Arceus said:

From what I read, I think there was some message of needing to rest tonight or something, wasn't there? I took that as a case of Sora losing their action for this night. Unless I misread/misrembered.

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If this is the case, then perhaps the haiku restriction was only supposed to be temporary, and the real efffect was the roleblock. Both of these don't require there to have been someone sending him an antidote.

If someone fails at a post restriction - what happens? Do they die, or do they get muted for the rest of the day?

The restriction on Sora came from Marack, who was town. But Sora was apparently both watched and tracked, and the results got sent to others.

So it is safe to assume that Sora is town, because we should have heard deets if she was not.

I seem to remember Xavier Woods commenting on finding one of the haiku posts amusing

Did she fail with the Haiku restriction (I think tired only has 1 syllable), or did someone give her an antidote?

Question for @SubZero - What do you think happened to @Sora today?

PrincessPeach said:

I disliked how lots of people were switching over to Croissant towards the end. IIRC Croissant popped up to say that he didn't have the time to create a post to defend himself. That read to me as a town player who did not have much investment in the game and was perhaps a little defeatist (it's D1, people want to get a lynch off and someone has to be the unlucky sob, it was late so the chances of other trains starting up are becoming increasingly unlikely, etc), rather than a scum player who would have been much more motivated to fight to help his team who has a limited number of players and could lose powers if he died. I did not believe Croissant was scum, as if he was scum then it would have been very easy for Croissant to type up a quick rebuttal post and then have the scum players "buy" that read in the game thread, and then hard push someone else. The anonymous nature of the game means it would be easy for scum to hard push someone else as an alternative without people being alarmed by seemingly out-of-character behavior of players they know. (At the time I was suspicious of the posters who were posting a lot in that late phase, though now I am not so sure).

I do not know anything about Sora. I was irked by their actions yesterday. Rereading the writeup, it seems that Sora is clear, as otherwise someone would have come out and have said "Sora is scum" because they watched him or received an "other" result on him by now. It is possible that he could be a godfather who didn't do anything last night, but I feel the chances of that are statistically unlikely. So I think Sora has a higher than average chance of being town, but his behavior yesterday still really irks me.

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This feels okay, but still not great. So you were just guessing when you told us Croissant was town, and has a better role than you? You're basically saying "Yesterday I was lying, but today I am telling the truth" Not sure I am ready to buy it.

HulkHogan said:

The Hulkster loves fan mail! Tell the Hulkster what’s on your mind dude.

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Why did it take so long for you to apologize not for being a racist, but instead your apology was for getting caught on tape saying "I am a racist!"

Dark times, bruddah.

But I'd like to know - What are your thoughts on the PeachPrincess, and on Medivh.

Same question to you, Bacon

Sora said:

I think that blindly yeeting people from this list from the bottom up results in a town win.

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Very well may be.

Hades has not posted anything helpful. But I remain concerned about them being left with one vote on Day 1. I would like to hear from them today.

Applejack got replaced by Sauron, so I'd kind of like to hear something before voting there.

Medivh also has not posted much, and none of it has been helpful. If the Peach can give us anything to support herself, I don't mind looking here.

Alysrazor 20 - the little that was posted felt kind of townish to me, but I would like to see more.

Hogan was away, but is posting now. I shall have to ponder whether I need to send a letter.

Bacon is also not giving us much.

Sephiroth said:

could be. but the thing i question is, even if you have a town role that is underpowered, how do you know they have a better one? and we've seen this as a scum play recently? you're right, because something COULD be doesn't mean it IS. but it also doesn't mean it ISN'T.
i think it's fair for princess to explain, in non a roleclaim way, why she was so confident in croissant being a specific role.

only a few things happened n1. now that we are confident subby is town, ,makes sense to revisit what scum did to them on a night where they used a mass rb.

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Thank you for joining me in my request that the Princess explain not just how she knew Croissant was town, but that the role was better than hers.

Roleclaiming is not allowed in private communication either. I recall what happened to 3puppies when he role claimed in a prior game here - he was quickly banned.

The problem I have with Hades is he was left with one vote on D1, so he would have had only a 25% survival rate. Not sure if his scum teammates would have done that to him.

If it helps, we had 24 players, and the following characters have been identified thus far -

Sora said:

But to reiterate my point about Princess - I do stand by my assessment that there was a clear and observable town motivation for their play, and just because something could be a scum play doesn't mean that it was.

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You clearly have a lot of experience in these games - as I daresay most have more than me. What are your thoughts about multiple players potentially having the same role/ability? If that is not something that usually happens, I have reason to believe the Princess would not have had a way to know what she claimed - that Croissant had a more important role than Peach.

Moana said:

Scum who are fairly confident town are getting lynched could get town equity by declaring said townie's tonwnhood.

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This is what I was thinking. There were a pile of votes on the Peach already. By declaring croissant town, and stating that croissant had a better role, clearly gave the impression that there was info being shared. Once croissant flipped, the Princess is proven to have shared true info and attention goes elsewhere.

PrincessPeach said:

*Looks up from instruction manual*

I have almost finished assembling the Fluffy Tickler 3,000. I would like to test it on someone tonight. Any volunteers?

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Still trying to understand this

Sora said:

GUYS

PRINCESS PEACH IS A FUCKING JESTER

Vote: UNVOTE

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Do you still think this is a possibility?

GrumpyCat said:

Theory time:

Peach can talk to players at night. They need to submit target beforehand as day action. Mass rb affects only night actions so that worked.
Croissant told her their role (if claiming is allowed in such scernario). They could lie if they were scum but as town you either tell the truth or say you wont tell anything.
Peach got town read on Croissant in the end so they had a way to compare roles.

Do you like theories Peach or do you think theorising is stupid?

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The Princess may have been pure at heart, but for this to work, Peach would have had to submit during Day 1 (and odd day), and picked Croissant, to have Night 1 chat. Is it common for games like this to have two town players with the very same ability/role? I don't think this is usually the case.

If the neighbor communication request was done on Night 1, for them to talk on Day 2, wouldn't it have been blocked? Or would a Day 2 communication request be allowed to happen that same day? Maybe that was the Tickler

My other thought was that perhaps Peach and Croissant were Masons? But the flip on Croissant did not indicate a Mason role.

So I would like to ask the Princess again, how did she know Croissant had a "more important" role? Voting for themself to try to "save" a fellow town member - when the voting was that close - seems like a bit of a gamble unless we consider there were plenty of team members around to cast votes elsewhere if needed.

A placeholder until I get a satisfactory answer -

Vote: Princess Peach


Did Sora fail to follow a 5-7-5 Haiku restriction imposed by Marack, and became mute for the rest of today?

PrincessPeach said:

For the record I am voting Sora because I don't like how he was putting words into people's mouths the prior day.

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Peach, how did you know the Croissant had a better role than you? She flipped as a town bodyguard.

Were you just being neighborly? Don't claim, but I think it's okay if you say something like I'm probably on the right track, or I have more to figure out.

Also, thanks to Robo for protecting me.

A lot of us have sus on both the Princess and the baked good. If it looked like Croissant was going to get yeeted, did the Peach self-vote to save a teammate, potentially one with a more important role for the team? I can't see scum doing that, but part of me thinks scum would be aware of where we are voting wise, and will make sure votes get spread around so we end up in a no-lynch.

VoidKitten said:

Rules
8. Self-targeting is not allowed unless otherwise specified

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PrincessPeach said:

Croissant is town. If you wish to lynch him, you must lynch me first. I shall lay down my life for my subject if I must.

Unvote: Sora

Vote: Princess

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Trying to reconcile this. I guess self-voting is different than self-targeting?

What about your

PrincessPeach said:

*Looks up from instruction manual*

I have almost finished assembling the Fluffy Tickler 3,000. I would like to test it on someone tonight. Any volunteers?

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Croissant said:

.... I find it funny that anybody can feel so confident they have all the things figured out this early in the game.

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Nobody is saying they have all the things figured out, but some of us have been able to figure out at least one or two things. Just because we may not have ironclad evidence doesn't mean we can't read and determine likelihoods. Town can only defeat scum through information sharing and by yeeting. We also can learn a lot from voting history after flips - especially who avoids voting scum, and who joins on voting a town. Eventually we will catch scum, and then we will have more to look at. When the votes are scattered and we don't get a yeet, it seems natural to determine that scum are among the people avoiding a leading train.

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I read this as the Princess might be an ED Neighbor, and was perhaps deciding on who to invite to her night discussion?

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And because I read it this way, I think it is worth giving her the benefit of waiting to see how it plays out.

PrincessPeach said:

*Looks up from instruction manual*

I have almost finished assembling the Fluffy Tickler 3,000. I would like to test it on someone tonight. Any volunteers?

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I read this as the Princess might be an ED Neighbor, and was perhaps deciding on who to invite to her night discussion?

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Day 2 Vote Count:

Croissant - 7 (Sora #940, Sephiroth #954, SubZero #957, Rikishi #963, Pikachu #997, SolidSnake #1005, Bacon #1014)
PrincessPeach - 4 (JackSparrow #590, Twintania #822, Medivh #887, XavierWoods #1015)
Applejack - 4 (HulkHogan #611, Arceus #898, Moana #934, GrumpyCat #966)
ArtTheClown - 2 (MasterChief #752, Hades #900)
Sora - 1 (PrincessPeach #644)
Gibbs - 1 (Croissant #933)

Not Voting: Alysrazor, Applejack, ArtTheClown, Gibbs

It is now Day 2. Day 2 will end at 8:00pm ET on June 6th or when majority is reached. With 23 players alive, majority is 12 votes on a single player. If majority is not reached by end of day, modified majority will come into play.

Current Modified Majority: 10 votes

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Is anyone else not familiar with modified majority, or played that way before? With 23 active players, majority is 12. I am presuming that Modified Majority simply removes the non-voters, 23-4=19 voters, so modified majority is 10. What happens if we don't get to 10 on the top train?

I don't see the Art train taking off now that Hades joined the train. So

Vote: Croissant

I didn't like how Croissant was saved late D1 for no apparent reason, but I really didn't like his vote/post today. And saying he will be not available most of the day meaning he won't be around to defend his thought.

I also noticed in this vote count, Moana gets to vote twice?

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Day 2 Vote Count:

PrincessPeach - 4 (JackSparrow #590, Twintania #822, Bacon #881, Medivh #887)
Applejack - 4 (HulkHogan #611, Arceus #898, SubZero #916, Moana #934)
ArtTheClown - 3 (MasterChief #752, Rikishi #758, Hades #900)
Sora - 2 (PrincessPeach #644, Pikachu #831)
Gibbs - 2 (XavierWoods #655, Croissant #933)
Pikachu - 1 (Moana #904)
Croissant - 1 (Sora #940)

Not Voting: Alysrazor, Applejack, ArtTheClown, Gibbs, Sephiroth, GrumpyCat #828, SolidSnake #915

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Rikishi said:

Another thing I noticed, not sure if it was mentioned, was that it appears that Subzero got resurrected, because he hadn't flipped when first eliminated. But Foxxi Nightengale Kumquat did not get that chance - she was eliminated and flipped right away. Does this imply that there are no resurrections left? Or was there something special about her clockmaker role that meant she couldn't be rezzed?

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Not sure if this was overlooked, but it got no reply. Does our lovely game runner commonly set up games with multiple rez?

Also, subzero and sora, do you have thoughts on the Princess or the Clown? It seems that both of you are ignoring them.

Medivh said:

Well ok then.
Anyone inactive? Could be Scum hiding.

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Scum like to push inactives or low-count posters. The justification is that they are easy targets.

I don't feel strong neg on anyone, nor do I expect that anyone else does.

PrincessPeach said:

*Looks up from instruction manual*

I have almost finished assembling the Fluffy Tickler 3,000. I would like to test it on someone tonight. Any volunteers?

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Are you looking for a guy with a sense of humor, and as big as Fluffy? Tickling isn't supposed to hurt, is it?

Moana said:

Moana doesn't fly false flags.

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I am inclined to believe this, especially if you're who I think you are.

MasterChief said:

The wolf team is SubZero, SolidSnake and ArtTheClown. GG WP everyone.

Vote: ArtTheClown

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Not sure I fully understand the logic on all of them here, and I completely miss the abbreviations. I am willing to move off of PrincessPeach because I think I understand and appreciate her response - I am not clearing her yet, but I don't feel good about clown either.

Vote: ArtTheClown

MasterChief said:

I had a rethink about it and I came to a conclusion about Sora, and why my gut feeling was wrong. So

Unvote:

I think the idea around seeing if anyone was moved from 1 vote to 2 during the 30 minute timer or just before is worth checking out

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And the idea around seeing if anyone was moved from 1 vote to zero during the 30 minute window should similarly be checked out.

Another thing I noticed, not sure if it was mentioned, was that it appears that Subzero got resurrected, because he hadn't flipped when first eliminated. But Foxxi Nightengale Kumquat did not get that chance - she was eliminated and flipped right away. Does this imply that there are no resurrections left? Or was there something special about her clockmaker role that meant she couldn't be rezzed?

@HulkHogan - are you the NWO heel Hogan?

Sora said:

Sounds like scum either watched or copped SubZero

One is neutral for him, the other would make him town

I'm not sure SubZero is the one scum would want to rolecop here though.

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There are a lot of things this could be that are not a watch nor a cop.

I recall in earlier games that scum had a device / chip that they could give to another player that would make their alignment appear the opposite of what it was. They could make scum appear to be town, of make town appear to be scum.

It also could be a device that prevents the target from changing their vote for the next x days, or it could mean their vote could be controlled by someone else.

Too early to tell, but once either of you flips, the rest of us town should go back and revisit this.

PrincessPeach said:

Just vote whoever.

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Vote: Princess Peach

Mostly a placeholder.

I don't recall an explanation as to why you voted to save Sora, immediately as the 30 min rush was on. And the above quote felt to me like you have information that you aren't sharing, and all of town appears to have been mass roleblocked.

Anyone who voted in the last 30 min of day 1 should please thoroughly explain themselves.

With very little to go on, just a feeling , I don't know whether to vote sleep or not

Even in an anonymous game, Foxxi gets taken out early ! If someone else can help summarize the day it would be helpful, as I have other activities to take care of but I will try to post later .

GrumpyCat said:

I believe so.

I took a look at how those with same number of votes are aranged and i can't find a pattern.

Looks random, doesn't have much to do with voting/unvoting order.

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The vote count lists people in the order they reached that number of votes, and includes the post numbers of each vote.

Last with 1 was the last person to get a vote for them.
Last with 2 was the last person to get a second vote.
Does NOT look random to me.


And Sora, I am not sure if you pointing out I may be the N1 kill target because am a threat to scum because I am a talkative person trying solve in order to suggest I get protection tonight, or if that was your attempt at a warning to me to tone it down for my own safety. That horse has left the barn.

Sora said:

This is an interesting hypothesis, and one that I don't think we should discount. I think it is likely that the people in the non voting pile at the end of the day are more likely to be town.

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Or they could be 3party.

What are your thoughts about the ranking of positions in the total vote count list. I think there is a reason the post # was included, and that it was not random for Hades nor Xavier to not get chosen for the 25% survive / 75% elimination spot.

I also think that there is a reason's that we did not get a flip, and that it means there may be a resurrection role. If anyone has it, given the nature of the apparent scum action ending the day early, it seems pretty safe to presume that the kill was a townie. And so are Woods and Hades, the others scum left on the bottom.

Sora said:

For Riki, Croissant and anyone else who thinks that trying to control the votes and having any opinions at all is a scum tell

May i direct your attention to SubZero was sure trying to take control of things that EoD so y'all can now start scum reading that guy.

Personally, I don't think that the people they chose to push are scummiest people. I acknowledge that Xavier is scum reading me but I think they probably believe this.

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Don't you think that if there were scum on the bottom, they would have had teammates swap votes to get them to two? And they would have been paying close attention just in case a teammate was falling down?

Sora said:

For Riki, Croissant and anyone else who thinks that trying to control the votes and having any opinions at all is a scum tell

May i direct your attention to SubZero was sure trying to take control of things that EoD so y'all can now start scum reading that guy.

Personally, I don't think that the people they chose to push are scummiest people. I acknowledge that Xavier is scum reading me but I think they probably believe this.

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That surprised the heck out of me. Anyone else thinking that once all of the scum voted, they triggered their end day early, in the hope / likelihood there's a mechanic to catch a non-voter.

No way to tell for sure yet., but it looks like there will be an inactivity or low activity voter to deal with, just not for day 1. And it appears that scum has the ability to end days early, so it means we need to get our votes in earlier rather than later. I wonder if scum also has the ability to end a night phase early as well?


Also, XavierWoods, when I voted for you it was early, just thanking you for getting me an avatar. And because KingWoods rocks. Earlier, someone else had voted for you so I was surprised you were toward the bottom. Glad you survived. I like your thought process and agree with you that it would be better to give someone we town read the immunity than give it to scum.

Since my 1 vote on you was early, it looks like ties are resolved by who reaches their total first or last. At least that's how I interpreted it.

GrumpyCat said:

It doest apply to those with 0 votes. Needs to be 1 vote at least.

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Not seeing this confirmed. If you've played before and seen this, that helps.

MasterChief said:

We're assuming that the person with the least votes which is >0 will be likely to die.

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I guessed that all of the folks with zero votes will randomly picked from, and one of them will have a 25% chance for immunity. It didn't say 75% chance of death for the low voter.

Because of this unknown, I think VK is daring scum to try a last second vote on a zero vote getter.

Sora said:

The person who I want the most votes on and the person who I want dead the most won't necessarily be the same person.

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What do you mean you want someone dead already? We know nothing yet.

FOS this.

Did I miss something? How would you vote for a kill?

SubZero said:

I think I know who Rikishi is and he just posts like that

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And you surely have recognized I am not a threat. So vote for me.

MasterChief said:

Also I seriously respect the level of role-play people are commiting to with their characters, unfortunately Ive never touched a halo game so I dunno what my guy does

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I have no idea who most of these players are, either. Players taking on the persona of characters, who will be pretending to be posters. I wasn't sure how this would work but it appears that some of us cannot shake our play styles.

And I don't like that piece of crap Hulk Hogan guy.

MasterChief said:

Ive got my eye on Rikishi for his LAMIST play. Saro probably falls under the same umbrella.

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Your eye can't miss the STINKFACE coming right at you. You're just the skid marks that Pat Patterson displayed when he and the Brisco stooges tried to copy Rikishi and Too Cool.

SubZero said:

It's either this or the investigators are shown targeting someone, but not who received their results. That makes the most sense to me.

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The investigators will know who got their results, though, because they will direct them, and they can't send them to the same person twice. So anyone who has an investigation role, should find a way to out their directed target if anyone doesn't share.

Of course, this will add the wrinkle that maybe whoever gets the information isn't particularly honest, and they share false information.

But by and large, they should be sending info to analytical and vocal players helping to solve.

Like the Hall of Famer previouslly known as the Sultan, or the Headshrinker who encouraged kids to stay in school. Make a Difference.

3. It is recommended to vote at least once per phase and post at least five posts per day phase.

6. Investigative roles will not receive their own results. Instead, along with action submission, they will choose another player to receive their results instead. You cannot choose the same player twice in a row to receive results. If you are subject to this, your rolecard will state it. Cop investigations will report Supremacy or Other. If the action fails, No Result will be delivered to the user of the ability.

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A couple things jump out here - first, the 5 post recommendation is unsettling. We should expect Void to include a role that could choose to punish lurkers. Stay active, all.

Investigative roles not getting their own results. I am guessing/hoping that the writeup may show "Character X sent the results to player Y, because X thought Y analytical enough to understand, and trustworthy enough to share?"

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Living Players:

1. Alysrazor
2. Applejack
3. Arceus
4. ArtTheClown
5. Bacon
6. Croissant
7. Gibbs
8. GrumpyCat
9. Hades
10. HulkHogan
11. JackSparrow
12. Kumquat
13. MasterChief
14. Medivh
15. Moana
16. Pikachu
17. PrincessPeach
18. Rikishi
19. Sephiroth
20. SolidSnake
21. Sora
22. SubZero
23. Twintania
24. XavierWoods


Characters named so far (3 scum, 4 town, 1 3p)
Mazer
Lora
Firebert

Listo,
3puppies!
mth
Caito,

Foxxi

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Not may characters identified yet, but we've come to expect that from Voidkitten. I am thinking with 24 players, there will likely be close to 30 named characters, and it will be up to us Riff Raff to sort it all out.

The player with the highest amount of votes cast for them today (Day 1) as well as the player with the lowest amount of votes cast for them will be subject to a 75/25 dice roll to determine their fate. If they are successful, they will receive immunity from being targeted until Day 3. If they fail the roll, the player will be killed. The player with the most votes has a 75% chance to live. The player with the least has a 75% chance to die

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Interesting that the top vote getter has a 25% chance to die, but this does not say that the low vote getter has a 25% chance at immunity. Logically, if we want to keep playing, we want to avoid the highest and lowest vote count, as all others (with at least 5 posts) presumably will move on to night one.

Moana said:

Moana is here.

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What can I say except "You're Welcome"

Unvote

Vote XavierWoods

For getting me an avatar that is fitting for a large man like myself.

XavierWoods said:

A true head of the table would have an avatar.

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Thank you, your majesty, King Woods.

Sora said:

Can you get an avatar

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If I do, will you vote for me?


I just need to get minimum shit talk posts in because void is a bastard mod

True head of the table, father to Jimmy and Jey Uso, and to Solo Sikoa

Hello, let's back that ass up! StinkFace time!

Vote Rikishi