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    Mafia 4 - The Fall of FoS

    PrincessPeach said:
    Thanks for hosting the game, Void!
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    Sorry I got you killed
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    Moana said:
    That meant I only fly HYPNOTOAD.
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    eh. that works too. i like my reading better. It's more entertaining.

    And in the end, isn't that how we decide truth?

    The answer is no.
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    Moana said:
    BTW scum...I won Rock Paper Scissors SOBER.

    Suck it.
    :dx:
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    Ridiculous. They will never live this down.
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    I had a lot of people wrong on first guess.

    Except for CWE. Moana doesn't fly false flags. Loved it.
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    And well played Nancy Drew, coming into the Applejack role and making a run.
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    Great set-up void. I appreciate all the effort that went into this. completely unique game.
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    good work xan. You and cwe get the mvps.
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    I wanted to do it.

    Rude

    Vote: medivh
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    Just so we're all clear, I'm intending to vote Medivh before day end.
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    MasterChief said:
    Why do you think Arceus put us in different piles for his reads despite both our reads essentially being "Hasnt produced content"?
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    For you, you're either clean and he wanted to possibly set you up. If memory serves, you were getting just a mild heat at that point. Or you're scum, and he was doing a common vetting thing.

    Do you feel like I was the singular person put in a neutral list without any real reason by scum? Do you see other similar things that have occurred?
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    MasterChief said:
    Why do you think Arceus put us in different piles for his reads despite both our reads essentially being "Hasnt produced content"?
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    To set up. He was factually incorrect. I was one of the most active posters early, and essentially the main person pushing Princess peach (cal and listo with their fucking self-sacrifice posts...). Which it turned out to be bad, but there you go.

    And there was no need to come at me when things were going their way.

    Or he just felt he had to put together a list for people who townread that, and was lazy and did a bad job.
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    MasterChief said:
    No I said it was outting. Arceus gets voted and wolves suddenly self-hammer? NERVOUS AS FUCK.
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    The timing does line up well. As I said, you get credit. I just find timings interesting. Of course this could all be just be pissing in the wind. But I was curious if a question would cause a reaction.

    Particularly since different players out there still know different things.
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    MasterChief said:
    Now I think it is just Sephiroth. But if it is he can consider himself lucky, very lucky. :squint:
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    Do you consider that your vote on arc truly was listo's main reason? Were you the first person suspicious?
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    I still think medivh has better value than a sleep. Focusing on Moana's list makes sense. And that's one less person to block, vet, etc.
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    HulkHogan said:
    I can see what you mean as was just ISOing his latest posts and while most of the later ones are good, there are a couple where he says Arceus and GC are cleared as town and encouraging Moana to vote in myself and Bacon so still wary.
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    Anything else you're thinking about today? Any insights come recently?
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    Mafia 4 - The Fall of FoS

    Also, if there's a push on me before I'm cleared. There's only one scenario that causes me to scum read one person

    Bash at the Beach 1996.
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    MasterChief said:
    Now I think it is just Sephiroth. But if it is he can consider himself lucky, very lucky. :squint:
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    So you think that I am scum when I was commuted and redirected?
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    There's still a day left. I can't see why we'd go sleep over medivh. There's enough percentage and probably enough error space that a risk is worth it, unless we're super fucking confident in our night moves.
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    Sauron said:
    I do like this post however.

    Also scum had no way of knowing that Listo would shoot Arcerous, so scum knows that they’re extremely unlikely to endgame, so yeah, I think what’s most likely ghost Morrison desperately trying to save their buddy.
    But if there was even a slight chance they’d be more readable, I’d be torn
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    I am interested in how much credit masterchief is taking for listo's action.

    Saying that he wouldn't have made the kill without him voting. Listo hasn't really sheeped anyone. And that was a vote, credit is due, but not the first to question people about arceus.

    @HulkHogan what do you think?
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    Sauron said:
    I feel better about Master than Sephiroth rn because he wants to vote out Medivh. But I just don’t think it makes a lot of sense for Medivh to be targeted because getting another miselim at this point, doesn’t really help scum too much. I think it makes way more sense to try to make their buddy look good because they were getting tr due to DivaSmurf’s action on them but again, they’re extremely unlikely to make themselves more readable, so I think we should yeet them.
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    I think you're misreading what I'm saying. I've not said "don't vote out medivh". I said most of this could be either alignment for her. Which is not the same as not voting. On my day 1 analysis, she's the only of my top 3 who gave me pause.

    I would certainly do that over sleep. But I think a good vetting is in order. Masterchief has produced more content today for example.
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    Sauron said:
    Guess their role? What do you think that is?

    Why did scum target Medivh? They could have targeted pretty much anyone in the game at that point except for Moana and Xavier. Well unlikely me or Solid Snake as well but they chose Medivh, why?

    If town, Medivh is certainly no threat.
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    I mean your top 3 is certainly different than Moana 's probabilities.

    This is not me hard vetting you. Just seeing how you're processing the people
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    Sauron said:
    And this is a strange reaction to being voted. Medivh doesn’t seem to upset about this vote either.

    Considering how upset they were both yesterday and today, why so chill about GC’s vote on them?
    This looks like it could have been coordinated.
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    That is a possibility. I'll be the first to admit they're hard for me to predict.
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    Sauron said:
    I just don’t see the point since Medivh is in my PoE and they won’t become more readable. I think scum has been working over time with their NAs towards Medivh. I don’t think scum thought Arcerous was in any danger but I could see them feeling the need to save Medivh if Mathieu. We have 8 town/I scum rn and I don’t think it’s a great loss to vote a player out who refuses to do anything.

    I’m feeling better and about Master now. I’d be a lot more suspicious if he wanted sleep. So

    Medidh
    Sephiroth
    Masterchief

    In that order.

    If game doesn’t end, then and only then would I look at Hulk or Bacon but really think Jack spewed both of them town. So I really expect game to end before that and

    II’d eliminate probably in that order. But I could much better understand the argument for sleep if Medivh was doing anything but they’re not. If we didn’t already have 6 dead scum, then it would obviously be different.

    I also think there’s a better than decent chance, with all of the effort scum has been putting in, trying to make Medivh look clear, the game just ends with their flip. Someone pointed out that scum have targeted each other at night and I don’t think they thoight they needed to be worried about Arcerous and it would
    ake

    I think I was so tunnelled on Master, I didn’t realize how suspicious it looked that they targeted Medivh.

    Scum didn’t think they needed to worry about Arcerous and it would make sense if Medivh is Mathieu because I think that’s their most powerful role that’s left.

    If you believe in Occam’s razor, greater chance of it being Medivh because of scum’s NAs. Did they target Medidv to get a miselim to buy them time or to make them look fake clear?

    Which makes more sense?

    I think the latter makes more sense than the former.
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    Do you agree with playing the odds?

    I'm not sure we are going to get more from med. But I also think that you have neglected how easy it was for people to guess their role. And this discussion happens like every game.
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    Moana said:
    Pros if Listo shoots and they are scum.

    Scum dies.

    Cons if Listo doesn't shoot and they are scum.

    Scum dies later.

    Pros if Listo shoots town.

    Scum laugh?

    Cons if Listo shoots town.

    LISTO SHOT TOWN!

    Not shooting is a perfectly fine option if you ask me.
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    We might also have to assume scum could get listo at some point.
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    At this point, early on grumpycat was the most active revealed scum
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    That is a weird post. Perhaps wants to get town points with Hulk, but wants to leave open for a mislynch later. Hulk had come up a few times at that point.
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    I'm just going back through some things to see if anything pops out.

    Day 1 was interesting to me, because the scum event came out of nowhere. So you know there had to be a reason. They didn't just do it randomly





    Here's the vote count before the event:

    Sora - 3 (MasterChief #137, Arceus #152, PrincessPeach #297)
    GrumpyCat - 2 (JackSparrow #45, Croissant #200)
    HulkHogan - 2 (Twintainia #53, Pikachu #166)
    SubZero - 2 (Sora #105, ArtTheClown #331)
    SolidSnake - 2 (Kumquat #282, SubZero #376)
    Hades - 1 (HulkHogan #8)
    Alysrazor - 1 (Medivh #83)
    XavierWoods - 1 (Rikishi #191)
    Croissant - 1 (Bacon #210)
    Applejack (Sauron) - 1 (Applejack #212)
    Moana - 1 (Moana #261)

    Here's right after:
    SolidSnake - 3 (Kumquat #282, SubZero #376. SolidSnake #389)
    Hades - 2 (HulkHogan #8, Arceus #397)
    GrumpyCat - 2 (JackSparrow #45, Croissant #200)
    HulkHogan - 2 (Twintainia #53, Pikachu #166)
    SubZero - 2 (Sora #105, ArtTheClown #331)
    Sora - 2 (MasterChief #137, PrincessPeach #297)
    Alysrazor - 1 (Medivh #83)
    XavierWoods - 1 (Rikishi #191)
    Croissant - 1 (Bacon #210)
    Applejack (Sauron) - 1 (Applejack #212)
    Moana - 1 (Moana #261)

    Here's the final:
    GrumpyCat - 3 (JackSparrow #45, Croissant #200, GrumpyCat #437)
    HulkHogan - 2 (Twintainia #53, Pikachu #166)
    Alysrazor - 2 (Medivh #83, SubZero #422)
    SubZero - 2 (Sora #105, ArtTheClown #331)
    Sora - 2 (MasterChief #137, PrincessPeach #297)
    Croissant - 2 (Bacon #210, Alysrazor #430)
    Applejack - 2 (Applejack #212, Kumquat #413)
    Moana - 2 (Moana #261, Hades #417)
    Hades - 1 (HulkHogan #8)
    XavierWoods - 1 (Rikishi #191)
    SolidSnake - 1 (SolidSnake #389)


    So, it looks like they were a little spread and then thought they should get GrumpyCat the boost past Sora and then Solid Snake. For Bacon, he started, ended on town. Medivh started and ended on scum. Masterchief started and ended on Sora. There wasn't really as much movement from this group after the event, so it's interesting but not super strong. Will try to look at the next one if I can make some time.
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    Sauron said:
    Who talked about flags? Can you quote that for me?
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    Don't feel like finding it. It was Moana. I was just making a joke with Hulk Hogan about how early they should have known who Moana was.
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    Sauron said:
    Marack knew there were less and less of them each day. He formulated a plan he felt would help the most and set out on his path. Marack came across Sephiroth and shot a spitball at him, just as Sephiroth was taking aim, causing him to lose focus and aim awry.

    Is Sephiroth cleared from this?

    I think I’m right then, I think Mathieu is most likely to be Masterchief.

    So new PoE Masterchief, Medivh but GC wanted to vote them and I think scum might be wifomming us, so I think this is probably the correct vote.
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    People should be asking themselves if it's very probably that I would have a shot redirected randomly to Moana. Seems very improbable.
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    Sauron said:
    I just remembered a post by flipped scum saying they knew who Medivh was but since this is an anonymous game, how could they know that unless he’s a buddy?
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    Most people had a good idea.
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    HulkHogan said:
    That is true, as said still not ruling it out. Aside from Bacon and Med, still have Sauron in the back of my mind along with MC (but Moana seems to have a hunch who that is).
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    You should have known that one from the minute they talked about flags. I was spectacularly wrong on some of my others. But that was pretty there. lol
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    Bacon said:
    A scum Bacon who led a lynch on scum JackSparrow? My, you have active imaginations. I’ve been busy at night, but I’m not Matthieu.
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    It's a good point. I've also seen a scum lynch on scum like 6 games in a row now.
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    I'm not sure this is predictive for medivh. Bacon has been near the top for a while. Arc's last post about Bacon may have just been resigned scum throwing one last thing out there.
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    Moana said:
    Assuming I have no errors anywhere...

    Lora- Sauron, Arceus, Bacon, Medivh, SolidSnake

    Matthieu- Arceus, Bacon, HulkHogan, MasterChief, Medvih

    Thoughts town?
     
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    Good job. Never know when there's a weird mechanic, but I think you've probably got it.

    I should iso. There was something that pinged me d1 on arceus, and I'm purely gutting there first. But could be him and bacon.
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    Bacon said:
    Arc's one of the people who could be any of the remaining characters. But their posts have been mostly seen as townie.
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    In what way?
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    Mafia 4 - The Fall of FoS

    Vote: jack sparrow
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    MasterChief said:
    @SolidSnake @ArtTheClown @Sephiroth Any feelings on todays vote?
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    I'm very comfortable with either of these. Honestly, at this point I'm not as zoned in as I normally in. I currently have this as one of my worst games ever. I'm tempted to go Jack because he pinged me early. But that's primarily gut.
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    Moana said:
    Because he is 1 of my 4 main suspects.
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    Where's arc? I haven't sheeted this game?
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    Arceus said:
    My first instinct is still Jack. Human nature, perhaps, to not want to change your mind when you've declared that you don't trust somebody. Nobody's come forth saying they got results of him being guilty, nobody has said they found results of him being innocent. Maybe Rikishi received the result, or maybe the person just doesn't want to put a target on their back by coming out. /shrug

    Pointing out out the whole Hulk Hogan being jailed on a night when a scum player seemed absent and then their presence the next night when he wasn't blocked is definitely a curious thing, a mark against Hogan if you will. Not a sure thing, as I'm pretty sure we've not had all scum act every night, but definitely a mark against.

    Bacon has been shown as a suspect by Moana's spread sheeting. He was a neutral/unknown read for me, which is not a good sign this late in the game. I can't say I'm opposed to lynching him.

    Medivh is Medivh. Maybe lynch.

    Sephiroth is...uh...okay, let's try looking at his posts. Okay. Clearly not a wordy person, and not a lot of contributions as a result. Notice a decent bit of cautioning against people making assumptions, basing these cautions on past experiences. Things like busing, and how scum can target themselves and such, so you shouldn't auto clear people for being a scum target unless it's for something that really hurts. I wouldn't go so far as to say I trust him, but he's one of the better neutral reads for now.

    Masterchief getting all defensive and occasionally indecisive. Such things aren't really alignment indicative. I still can't say I trust him.
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    Don't forget I pushed incorrectly.
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    Unvote:
    XavierWoods said:
    Looks like a silence. We've been talking about it.
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    Yep. We're same page. He said it was a silence and voted. That was an attempt at a meaninglessness action to clear.


    Feel like we're making this more complicated than it is. Don't clear people from scum on things that don't actually hurt. Just clear roles
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    MasterChief said:
    What I wonder is why they'd choose to remove SolidSnakes power to vote of all players. Because his ISO isnt the strongest nor is his voting record. So it strikes me as a very curious choice.
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    Actually agree on that.
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    Moana said:
    Scum tactic #8.

    Throw scum in an early list. Easy cover for either side.
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    that's 100. That's why I find the Alys lists interesting
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    Moana said:
    :eyebrow:
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    The Sparrow lynch seems good. How do you feel about bacon now?
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    Arceus said:
    For those who do not wish to search for the last one I gave out, but still wish to see it, here it is copy/pasted with the newly dead people removed, otherwise unchanged.

    Trust-ish
    Xavier Woods- Dunno if he's stepping up in the absence of Subzero, or if he's just more noticeable without Subzero's very large number of posts. Either way, I like him today and think he's a bad choice for lynch at the moment.

    Neutral
    Sauron- He's trying today, though is getting tripped up a bit by the admittedly confusing triple naming scheme we've got going on (Random user name, Character name based on actual users, real user name). Being a sub is hard at the best of times, so I want to give him benefit of the doubt for now and leave him as neutral.
    Sephiroth- Still don't remember much of anything, maybe I'll look into his stuff later, but for now I'll just leave him as neutral.
    Bacon- Moving him down from the trust-ish category. While I don't feel particularly suspicious of him, I can't say I feel good about him anymore.
    Medivh- Let's be honest, she probably should've been here from the start. Sort of suspicious and not very helpful is really not alignment indicative for her, and as likely an easy mislynch as she is scum. Who knows?

    Distrust-ish
    Hulk Hogan- As before, still like the RP and such, but not feeling great about him overall. Almost putting him in neutral because of the role block, but there are still scum who weren't seen acting if I'm not mistaken, so it's not a sure thing.
    Jacksparrow- Moving up from the full distrust category he was in previously, but still not somebody I trust. The defensive "oh why me posts" aren't really doing him favours in my mind, but the sharing vote similarities with Alysrazor isn't quite as damning as it seems because all those guys in the competing trains were townies.
    Masterchief- Noticed how his posts are frequent, but generally empty. While there are occasional reads on individuals I see, there's not a lot going on with that. I'm edging him towards distrust, but it's not a strong distrust at this point.
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    The 7th time you say you don't remember me....at some point you're just being impolite.
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    HulkHogan said:
    Hulkster has a few coupons.

    Knows Kish, pretty certain on Moana and Jack. Educated guesses at Sephiroth and Bacon but not as certain.
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    Trust your heart
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    XavierWoods said:
    We did have a conversation about it and without saying his name, I asked about weekend activities
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    Seems right. On day 1 I thought he might be grumpy at, so I made a joke
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    Moana said:
    Is it wrong if Moana tells everyone who Rikishi was? Not game character because Moana doesn't know. The real poster.
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    I have a theory. I don't see it being wrong for a dead player.
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    MasterChief said:
    Do you think its clearing for Medivh?
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    Potentially for some roles
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    Rikishi said:
    One more thing I noticed that I don't think has been commented on yet. Sora was revealed as a hiding commuter, but was nevertheless taken out by scum masquerading as town 3pup. If this means it had to be a ninja kill, then why was Art seen at all? Or is this how a motivated / enhanced action means. Again, not being familiar with how motivation works, I'd appreciate hearing how it "usually" works, and what VK is more likely to have done.

    Pablo was a motivator, and had motivated Sephiroth. It isn't clear what Morrison's role was, but Morrison first electrocuted SubZero, and later slit his throat. This reads like Morrison motivated himself before the kill, but I'm not sure if it is possible for a scum to have multiple actions. Also, since Morrison was trying to kill SubZero, what was Lora trying to do to Moana, that apparently failed? Scum doesn't usually get multiple kill attempts per night.
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    There have been games where scum was allowed to insert a fake line. I'm not sure that's the most probable here though. Because that does seem high.
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    GrumpyCat said:
    I thought scum were hiding from writeup, tracks and watches. In such case SubZero shouldn't be able to see Art.

    If it only his scum from writeup then Art can still be scum. He can only be Matthieu right? I don't know to confirm it unless Matthieu appears in a writeup. If so it should technically clear Art.
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    Hiding in the write-up, but still being visible by watches etc would be the most common in my mind. But that certainly doesn't make it guaranteed.
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    Rikishi said:
    This came after @VoidKitten "died" in the writeup. Despite the fact that I will never fully trust a mod, I'm glad VK is still alive. Part of me worried that this wasn't flavor and the light may have blinded us

    Since Twin flipped as expected, because he got copped, I wouldn't be surprised if there were scum on that train. I was not surprised to see that the reveal turned out to be MTR.

    Twin's Voting history points to clearing Hulk as well. Also, the following I find interesting -




    The comment on Art being town is very suspect - it feels like Twin was trying to lead us toward thinking someone else was scum. Similar, his "clearing" of both AJ/Sauron and SolidSnake doesn't feel great - it felt really soft, but it may have been true in order to make himself look good.

    Twin clearly knew Peach was town and was along for the ride.


    So, looking back at the concern about Art being identified despite Morrison hiding all scum actions, I noticed that Art was never identified in the actual writeup. He was named by Subzero who had gotten the information that he was the one who visited Sora. So, @GrumpyCat, could it be that Morrison's action only hid the scum from the writeup, replacing them with town who had also acted, and was not able to prevent trackers/watchers from seeing who really acted?
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    I would fully expect Vk to have a mechanism for scum powers to move or become factional. He's a dirty, dirty whore for copying scum mechanic set-ups from sexier gamerunners who do that all the time.
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    Rikishi said:
    This came after @VoidKitten "died" in the writeup. Despite the fact that I will never fully trust a mod, I'm glad VK is still alive. Part of me worried that this wasn't flavor and the light may have blinded us

    Since Twin flipped as expected, because he got copped, I wouldn't be surprised if there were scum on that train. I was not surprised to see that the reveal turned out to be MTR.

    Twin's Voting history points to clearing Hulk as well. Also, the following I find interesting -




    The comment on Art being town is very suspect - it feels like Twin was trying to lead us toward thinking someone else was scum. Similar, his "clearing" of both AJ/Sauron and SolidSnake doesn't feel great - it felt really soft, but it may have been true in order to make himself look good.

    Twin clearly knew Peach was town and was along for the ride.


    So, looking back at the concern about Art being identified despite Morrison hiding all scum actions, I noticed that Art was never identified in the actual writeup. He was named by Subzero who had gotten the information that he was the one who visited Sora. So, @GrumpyCat, could it be that Morrison's action only hid the scum from the writeup, replacing them with town who had also acted, and was not able to prevent trackers/watchers from seeing who really acted?
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    I like this analysis on Twin. It's interesting to say the least.
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    Rikishi said:
    Sorry I missed the warning that the day was ending early. I hope my sleep vote won't come hurt me.

    I am wondering if ending the day early was a scum attempt to learn more about whether Listo HAD to act, or if they were simply trying to shut down further conversation about who we should look at next, and why.



    I don't doubt that. But void also has messed with us by having roles that do not appear in the write-up. Unless players are perhaps just not acting?

    It's very hard to put a spreadsheet together when we don't have the list of characters.


    Hopefully new and improved?
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    Not acting is a possibility. I'd also suspect that not everything is a night action, which is a natural way to make it so not everything will be visible.
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    Alysrazor said:
    Peach - I can see the reasoning behind it but idk, something feels off to me
    Applejack - More or less MIA also, no real opinion
    Croissant - Neutral to me
    Art - Slight town lean I'd say.
    Sora - Feels town to me
    Gibbs - No posts, no way to know.
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    I don't know if there's anything here, but this goes back to the seems content to let town lead vibe.
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    Alysrazor said:
    Well I'm pretty sure I know who Medivh is. You doing that won't help.
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    I don't think this has to be anything, but it's worth noting.
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    Alysrazor said:
    In other news, I'd be okay with a Hades vote today. Other people I'd be willing to look at include Jack, Art, Twin that I can recall from the top of my head.
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    Alysrazor said:
    In other news, I'd be okay with a Hades vote today. Other people I'd be willing to look at include Jack, Art, Twin that I can recall from the top of my head.
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    Alysrazor said:
    Honestly? I'm not fully convinced on Peach being town but it sounded like you and Sora did believe them to be town so I was willing to let it at least slide for today.
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    Alysrazor said:
    Nah it was mostly Peach. Would I vote them? They'd prolly be the bottom of the list of people I wanna vote.
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    Alysrazor said:
    Yeah.

    Jack is more gut and the fact he is still doing the gimmick and not seeing much.
    Art just feels off to me.
    Twin is the same.
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    Looking back at Alysrazor's message, we see he was pretty ready to put pressure on twin. And he stayed off Peach pretty good. This might fall into the mode of busing one of your team moderately. I think that this may look slightly better for Jack/sauron.
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    Alysrazor said:
    Vote: Hades

    This is where I feel most comfortable between the 2 main trains.
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    Looking back through alysrazor. Purposely stayed off Princess Peach. Might have been the strategy.
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    Arceus said:
    Void Kitten is seemingly "dead", listo's mission has changed, and we have night chat. What the hell?
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    I wouldn't be surprised if the extra night time is an ability base. I'm not sure if Listo's mission has changed. it might just be narrative if a final ability useage has removed vk from the story. Or some such color reference.
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    JackSparrow said:
    :squint: not paying attention doesnt sit well with me
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    Come again?
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    Moana said:
    Gut.
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    Fuck's sake. Think about night 1.
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    Moana said:
    Moana is leaning scum on our plant.
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    That was the role void gave to psych in his last game. I would not give him any town credibility. A flip is possible, but there's no reason to assume good intentions.
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    Rikishi said:
    I must be doing something wrong as my vote/unvote did not register.

    Just to give folks a little more time -
    Vote: Sleep

    I am clearing Hogan for now. And I know for certain that Moana is town like me.

    The suggestions have been to clear Arceus, Medivh, and GrumpyCat - I have to look through this a lot more but for now I lean them town.

    Presuming there are 4 scum left, with Twin and Sauron being the most likely, we need (at least) two more, most likely coming out of probably JackSparrow, Bacon, MasterChief, Sephiroth, and Woods.

    Any suggestions / info that might clear any of those 5 would be welcomed.
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    Town reads are good, but I do not support hard clears without a couple points of validation. I've discussed gamerunning with void, and I'd wager heavily that void has an additional spreadsheet buster built in.
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    MasterChief said:
    Vote placement and actions against them by reds. (Off the top of my head)
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    I think there's some less likely here. But let's not forget how common it is now for scum to bus their own. The last few games have featured straight up scum takes down. Scum actions that don't hurt as much are info, but not conclusive. Not sure I see the vote placement.

    That said, neither are flying on my hunt list right now. Just calling out because of how often we've had endgame blinders (think about last game and how scum almost slid through because of an early confirm on a target).
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    @Moana you can disregard if you want to. I'm reading too fast.
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    Moana said:
    :bandwagon:
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    how strong?
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    XavierWoods said:
    NAs:
    Morrison - unsure what this action was. Allow fluidity between members? (anyone can do any of the other team members actions?)
    Pablo - Motivated Sephiorth
    Morrison - Killed SubZero
    Marack - RB Alysrazor
    Lora - attempted to do something to Moana
    Tildey - Jailed Hulk
    Diva - RB Medivh
    Badger - Copped/Rolecopped Twin
    Firebart - Tarot card stuff
    Drey - Watched SZ for messages
    Listo - Killed Alysrazor

    So Morrison acting twice. It could be he was motivated, or faction abilities are just "performed" by Morrison. Im going with the later.




    Wonder what effect, if any, this will have on the game. Will scum potentially have a night of no actions? Improved actions for town?
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    I think your faction abilities read is likely the correct one.
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    XavierWoods said:
    I think scum is getting rid of vocal town memebers. Easier for them to run the game if they arent getting poked at by people.

    He could have been killed for his reads there at the end.
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    A lot of people would have figured out who subzero was. I think that it's fairly straightforward kill. The more impressive to me was foxxi on n1. I think scum has at least someone who is pretty well-versed in all the groups.
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    Sauron said:
    Does anyone know if Alys is an experienced scumplayer? I think unvoting right near EoD isn’t a great loo. (Msster)
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    Listo is very savvy. I would think at least one of his gentle pushes was someone scum would want to see if they could get a reaction to. But he wouldn't overdo it. His scum leans were xavier, twin, and jack.
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    XavierWoods said:
    I know I look bad on voting record. And with Subzero and Sora gone, town needs to find another voice to rally behind. I dont think that voice is me. Not surprised with scum going after the more vocal people.
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    Who do you think has had strong reads up to this point? Cause I think we need a collective solve more than one voice to follow?
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    I haven't been on since yesterday. I'm going to read through now. Life has kicked my ass in the last 24 hours. So let's all hope it calibrated me correctly. Let's fucking go.
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    i'm not convinced we understand listo correctly. his end day write-ups with two names make me think something different might be happening than what I assumed when i first saw the role.
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    SubZero said:
    Vote: PrincessPeach

    Everyone but MasterChief has checked in. This is the only flip I'm really interested in today, and it seems like Peach has pretty much given up. So we can wait for MasterChief if you want, but I'm ready to get this over with.

    Let's try to look into Alys/Twin/Jack/Hulk/MasterChief overnight. Maybe Sauron or Medivh just to be sure.
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    this is a solid suss list. i'm not saying let's roast, but still a bit curious on arc and a few.
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    Sauron said:
    Thanks for this. I will try to skim through the game. How do you read croissant slot? I should probably look them up too.
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    croissant fell in a weird spot where they were got hit with some reasonable things early, and dug themselves in and didn't have a lot of counter. newer player had a tough time pulling out of the hole. the votes i felt were reasonable (i was in it and wanted the info), but i could be biased there. the people pulling late without much reason are still interesting to me there. but not conclusive without more info
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    PrincessPeach said:
    Arceus move your vote on to me
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    PrincessPeach said:
    I disliked how lots of people were switching over to Croissant towards the end. IIRC Croissant popped up to say that he didn't have the time to create a post to defend himself. That read to me as a town player who did not have much investment in the game and was perhaps a little defeatist (it's D1, people want to get a lynch off and someone has to be the unlucky sob, it was late so the chances of other trains starting up are becoming increasingly unlikely, etc), rather than a scum player who would have been much more motivated to fight to help his team who has a limited number of players and could lose powers if he died. I did not believe Croissant was scum, as if he was scum then it would have been very easy for Croissant to type up a quick rebuttal post and then have the scum players "buy" that read in the game thread, and then hard push someone else. The anonymous nature of the game means it would be easy for scum to hard push someone else as an alternative without people being alarmed by seemingly out-of-character behavior of players they know. (At the time I was suspicious of the posters who were posting a lot in that late phase, though now I am not so sure).

    I do not know anything about Sora. I was irked by their actions yesterday. Rereading the writeup, it seems that Sora is clear, as otherwise someone would have come out and have said "Sora is scum" because they watched him or received an "other" result on him by now. It is possible that he could be a godfather who didn't do anything last night, but I feel the chances of that are statistically unlikely. So I think Sora has a higher than average chance of being town, but his behavior yesterday still really irks me.
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    so she was pretty dramatic on saving croissant. as you can see on some of these. the post right above this is the logic AFTER the croissant flip. all about reads and stuff.
    PrincessPeach said:
    For the record I am voting Sora because I don't like how he was putting words into people's mouths the prior day.
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    weird call out. i don't think sora had amazing reads or anything, but i don't see where he was putting words in people's mouths. and it was already fruitless
    PrincessPeach said:
    I have already addressed why I stuck my neck out for Croissant yesterday to the best I could without infringing upon the rules.
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    so this is very specifically worded. speaks to getting role info. but i can't see how that would work, and it doesn't seem to line up with the "i saw a defeated town vibe" from the other post i quoted. compare that one to this and to the "some town are more important than others" from d2. it just doesn't seem to vibe up. also peach seemed cool with town pressure until the end. which could line up with her "i saw a defeated town story" problem is she's also talking about info. and if you have info, you know that early. it's all too much speaking to whatever the pressure was at this point. and let me say it again. this move has been pulled with great success by scum recently without anyone calling them out on it.
    PrincessPeach said:
    Sora and Subzero are the loudest voices and are steering the game.

    Rikishi has been annoying for seemingly ignoring my posts but being annoying isn't necessarily incriminating.

    Some people have brought up Medivh for his low activity, but if he is who I think he is then that is NAI, at least for now.

    I have not been focused on the game this much today and yesterday so I might be missing some thing.

    I am interested in Alysrazor and Arceus, but I am not quite sure why. It might be that they are in that sweet spot where they are posting enough to seem "active" but aren't really contributing anything. I might be wrong.

    No opinion on everyone else.

    I will help push Hulk Hogan as an alternative and see what happens.

    Unvote: Sora

    Vote: Hulk Hogan
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    PrincessPeach said:
    I said I was interested in him yesterday.




    Who says I am?
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    just some weird vibes too.
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    PrincessPeach said:
    The survival of my subject is more important than my own.
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    here's an example of the early croissant logic
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    SubZero said:
    She's also been playing scummily. Self-voted to "save" a townie she had no info on. Emptily pushed Sora who is dead and confirmed town, including parking there for a while when we had info confirming his innocence. Has contributed almost no reads other than the empty push on Sora despite being asked about it. Basically admitted to not being town this phase(could be neutral/3p). Has not shown any desire to actually help push anyone or solve the game.

    There are reasons why some of this could just be a WTF Town player. But when combined with the wagon situation, it just looks like she's scum, or at least not town.
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    this is a decent summation too.
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    Sauron said:
    How do I find that particular post?
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    gimme a minute. i'll see if I can track it down.
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    SubZero said:
    No specific Peach quotes. Her ISO is pretty small, but my primary concern with her is that her wagon has been counter to a town wagon on two different days, and on the last phase it struggled to gain any momentum against the Hades wagon which was basically a runaway from the start of D3.
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    i actually think the quotes are key. strong actions are typically for a reason. details matter here.
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    Sauron said:
    Thanks. I will try to ISO her but if there are any specific quotes of hers that I should look at, that would be helpfu
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    read what she said about not voting for croissant during d2. then read her posts the next phase. its not that many.
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    Sauron said:
    I unfortunately haven’t yet. Anything you think I should be looking for specifically?
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    if you don't have the time to read everything yet, the threadmarks have some of the key events. right before and after is a good start.
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    Alysrazor said:
    I thought who I am was kinda obvious at this point <.<
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    i don't know you. and even when i do know people it's not as if everyone has the same quality every game ever.
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    JackSparrow said:
    what? i dont understand what your asking
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    was just meaning that you voted bacon as he hasn't done much. do you feel he really stands out more than others there?

    oe is there something additional that triggers you about the baconator?
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    HulkHogan said:
    Don’t be a silly cat. I was promoting activity brother!
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    nai
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    JackSparrow said:
    well what a night and a treestump interesting.

    You guys need to slow down on peach ppl need to get thier posts in we have pleanty of time.

    Im all for peach a potencial counter train wouldnt hurt what would your guys 2nd choice be just wanna see where your heads at.

    mines peach then bacon as bacon hasnt done much and mostly just states the obvious
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    less than others? something else there?
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    SubZero said:
    Let's hear everyone's theories for who else is scum. Let's not make this all about PrincessPeach.
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    one more time on the town case for arceus? cause if peach is scum there are two worries.
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    Moana said:
    A feeling?!?
    Scum tried to KILL MOANA!!!
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    would you its.....more than a feeelllliiiinnnnggg?
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    SubZero said:
    Are you talking about Dreyski or 3pups?
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    not last night. last day phase
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    SubZero said:
    Gonna be gone for a bit, but Hades flip, the fact I'm pretty sure Art was scum, and the Peach wagon couldn't gain any traction - all signs that make me think Peach really was the hit yesterday

    This is beyond Peach's play just being scummy in general
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    I think the action on grumpy cat was an attempt to stop someone who might have switched.
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    SubZero said:
    I'm like 100% certain the kills were actually scum. The other Robo/3pups actions were the legit ones
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    ditto

    And also ditto

    Vote: princess peach
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    SubZero said:
    Why the hell did 3pups kill Sora?!?
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    not sure at all, but we gotta consider the unseen. consider but by no means absolve
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    quitting is nai to me. but it does make me less likely to bringing up your potential defenses.
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    JackSparrow said:
    But does that outweigh the fact they just basically threw the towel? A read can chnge minds doing nothing is either defeated scum or town that doesnt care. why bother signing up then?
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    if they threw in the towel, does this mean peach is going to ask us to vote for her instead now?
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    i'm in a glass cage of emotion
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    PrincessPeach said:
    Because it read as town to me.
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    but.....but.....if you are also town, why are they more important than you? is every town more important than you?
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    PrincessPeach said:
    I have already addressed why I stuck my neck out for Croissant yesterday to the best I could without infringing upon the rules.
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    i had asked why you were willing to sacrifice yourself for a player you thought was being defeatist. if you don't want to infringe on the rules with your answer, i would guess that would mean you have to have some knowledge via role. which i would guess wouldn't equate to a valueless role. but you still wanted yourself dead over croissant? anytime there's a knowledge play, i think it's fair to ask about the logic.
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    MasterChief said:
    At a time they could have easily been the yeet (they were the only real CW to Croissant) they tried to get people off the Croissant wagon and even went as far to self vote. I have a hard time equalling that with a scum play.
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    listo did this exact thing to us in vanillatown. and then we laid off. and he's not the first. what do you think about peach's logic for why she did it?
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    MasterChief said:
    Why dont you think Peach proved themselves town yesterday?
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    what about them did prove it?
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    Alysrazor said:
    Honestly? I'm not fully convinced on Peach being town but it sounded like you and Sora did believe them to be town so I was willing to let it at least slide for today.
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    sora being town doesn't make them prof x. i listen to what they have to say, but the argument about why peach is town is a tact used by scum as least as much as town. determining which it is all about determining why the person would act like they did.

    subzero has not been pushing peach, but has been supportive of others pushing.
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    Rikishi said:
    Out of all the GrumpyCat's recent post, this one stands out, and makes me wonder if Alys is Matthieu. Is this the stretch?
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    that is one stretch. there are two stretches now. the other is whether it seemed like grumpy cat might be prone to agree with me. everyone likes to jump on the sephiroth train when i vote second.
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    yep. only one stretch explanation makes sense to me. but i dunno
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