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  1. SubZero

    Mafia 4 - The Fall of FoS

    GrumpyCat said:
    Dont we want to wait for Alysrazors fabled VCA?
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    They can provide it next phase. They'll have more to work with.

    I was already not exactly impressed with the off the cuff reads, even though they were admittedly asked for on the spot
  2. SubZero

    Mafia 4 - The Fall of FoS

    MasterChief said:
    Thats a pretty fair point. I dont wanna let the day end early if others wanna contribute.
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    I know I'm biased and maybe this is unfair, but we're in the last 8 hours and you're the last one we were waiting for. I think most people have said what they're gonna say.

    It's all good, if people wanna wait I'll be patient. But imo this is the most ideal situation to early vote considering the game state and the Listo mechanic, understood or not.
  3. SubZero

    Mafia 4 - The Fall of FoS

    MasterChief said:
    Vote: Peach
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    Honestly, at this point, the people that haven't voted are POE so fuck it
  4. SubZero

    Mafia 4 - The Fall of FoS

    Also, someone said that Medivh's voting record is NAI for them. I wholly disagree and think more often than not if they're voting scum, it's probably a better look. As long as they're not just straight bussing all game.

    But again, either way, I think more people need to be checking them in the night actions more often. Not just here.
  5. SubZero

    Mafia 4 - The Fall of FoS

    Sephiroth said:
    this is a solid suss list. i'm not saying let's roast, but still a bit curious on arc and a few.
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    I'm good with vetting Arc, too. I just don't want people targeting the usual suspects again unless it makes sense for their role and these are the people I think could use clarification since they're all mostly in the general poe
  6. SubZero

    Mafia 4 - The Fall of FoS

    Rikishi said:
    I don't feel great about King Woods any longer, but mostly it was based on his two late switch votes to yeet townies. I can see your point that his posts feel kind of, well, forced/unnatural, but I can also read them as honest confusion.

    As for snake, I lean town for him.
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    Honestly, if Peach flips scum, I'm ok with XavierWoods for a while. I also kinda think his reaction to Sauron last night is more likely to come from frustrated town.
  7. SubZero

    Mafia 4 - The Fall of FoS

    What do you think of Peach, MasterChief? How about Alys?
  8. SubZero

    Mafia 4 - The Fall of FoS

    MasterChief said:
    Ok sorry Im finally here. RL has been kicking me in the nuts the last week but Ill try and be more active.

    Sora flipping who he did makes me want to sheep him a little. He died witha vote on Medivh but at the time I believe 3 players wanted to veto that, do those 3 players still believe Medivh should be completely off the table?
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    Not that I have a lot of room to talk, but Insaner was also pushing me hard and was the one who brought up Croissant, and then opted for Hades over a possible scum!Peach. So I'm not ready to just blindly sheep him on a player that is almost always NAI.

    I think Med is worth vetting, sure, but overall don't feel a strong reason to vote there and would rather someone just try to investigate them.

    As for Snake, I think the bus drive on N1 shows they tried to put him in the firing line of Listo since Applejack was a valid no-vote kill. I was a bit worried that he had fallen off this phase and was just floating on a Peach vote, but I felt better after he spoke up. It's possible it was some kind of cover, but it's really risky cover.
  9. SubZero

    Mafia 4 - The Fall of FoS

    To be fair, I think Listo has control over who he kills and probably has the choice to holster, so honestly I'm not worried about everyone getting a vote in before we hammer.
  10. SubZero

    Mafia 4 - The Fall of FoS

    Vote: PrincessPeach

    Everyone but MasterChief has checked in. This is the only flip I'm really interested in today, and it seems like Peach has pretty much given up. So we can wait for MasterChief if you want, but I'm ready to get this over with.

    Let's try to look into Alys/Twin/Jack/Hulk/MasterChief overnight. Maybe Sauron or Medivh just to be sure.
  11. SubZero

    Mafia 4 - The Fall of FoS

    Sauron said:
    I’m not scum and if I can figure out how to navigate this formatting, I’ll hopefully be able to prove that. Anyway, I apologize fir my outburst but I’m just really frustrated.
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    Understandable. Which is why I'm trying to give you the room to breathe. If you have any other questions, I'm more than willing to try and help.
  12. SubZero

    Mafia 4 - The Fall of FoS

    Sauron, you won't die today, but there's still a good chance you're scum. So if you could just take the time to read what you can and chime in periodically as you do so, hopefully we can get a better read on you come next phase.
  13. SubZero

    Mafia 4 - The Fall of FoS

    XavierWoods said:
    Well... maybe you should read the game and stop trying to take the lazy way through. This kinda crap doesnt give me a good vibe about your slot. More then 4 days of time since you were subbed in and you still havent read the game. Instead of bitching and complaining about the formatting, or how to preview, or some other BS, READ the Game.
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    Let's take it down a couple notches
  14. SubZero

    Mafia 4 - The Fall of FoS

    Sauron said:
    I read Peaches’ posts and I don’t have an opinion on her posts so far. You or someone said she lied about something. What did she lie about?
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    Check out Sephiroth's post here

    Sephiroth said:
    so she was pretty dramatic on saving croissant. as you can see on some of these. the post right above this is the logic AFTER the croissant flip. all about reads and stuff.

    weird call out. i don't think sora had amazing reads or anything, but i don't see where he was putting words in people's mouths. and it was already fruitless

    so this is very specifically worded. speaks to getting role info. but i can't see how that would work, and it doesn't seem to line up with the "i saw a defeated town vibe" from the other post i quoted. compare that one to this and to the "some town are more important than others" from d2. it just doesn't seem to vibe up. also peach seemed cool with town pressure until the end. which could line up with her "i saw a defeated town story" problem is she's also talking about info. and if you have info, you know that early. it's all too much speaking to whatever the pressure was at this point. and let me say it again. this move has been pulled with great success by scum recently without anyone calling them out on it.



    just some weird vibes too.
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    You should go to the actual post rather than reading this quote version, but she made a post implying she had info on Croissant (from her role), but the explanation given elsewhere had nothing to do with info.
  15. SubZero

    Mafia 4 - The Fall of FoS

    Arceus said:
    Seems pretty clear this is true with the whole Rock/Paper/Scissors game of doom. Add you to the trusted pile, too, I guess.

    Trusted:
    Subzero - scum targeted him with an investigative role on N1, seems to have been a target for a kill last night which may have been scum hidden as town action, may have been mind control, or may have been random weird shit, but whatever the case, it speaks well for him. Also by far the most active player that is pushing for solving things. If he's scum, then I'm Santa Claus.
    SolidSnake- Had the bus drive action with an inactive, suggesting they tried to get him accidentally killed by the inactivity kill. Also, was not saved from being lowest vote on D1, resulting in his death (though was resurrected later)
    Moana - Rock, paper, scissors of doom seems a pretty solid indicator that they're town, unless you wish to argue for scum throwing the match because of the apparent bullet proof vest had by the one issuing the challenge. Very risky kind of play, to waste a BPV, though.

    Trust-ish
    GrumpyCat - Actively posting. Mostly a carryover from previous impressions. Maybe deserving of another look, but I think there are better uses of time and energy.
    Bacon- General impressions are positive, but it's not a solid thing. Better choices out there for lynch.
    Rikishi- I'm getting a positive vibe here, but nothing substantial beyond impressions.

    Uncertain
    Sauron- Absentee replacing an absentee, yet doesn't die to listo's wrath. Curious.
    Arttheclown- Dead and stumped. Continues professing innocence, but of course he would regardless. Really would have like a flip rather than a ???
    Masterchief- I can say I remember he's posted...but I can't remember anything beyond that. I have no impressions of this player at all, which in some ways is awfully damning in its own right.
    Sephiroth- I can't recall much here. I swear he's posted, and I vaguely think there was something more than just fluff, but I can't remember.
    Xavier Woods- Had a bit of attention tossed his way early, I remember, though it faded away. Most of my memories of him involve defending himself from the Xavier haters.

    Distrust-ish
    PrincessPeach -Stalled train, big swing to save somebody without information could go either way and is perhaps non alignment indicative, not a lot of contributions outside of that one big swing is iffy. Nobody else seems to trust them, which might be shading my impressions at this point. I'm hesitant to throw my vote here because I feel like I'm being led down a dark alley by those saying "trust me, it'll all be fine".
    Medivh- Like with half the game or more, I think I know who the player is. Tends to always be the kind of suspicious and unhelpful vibe, regardless of role, but that doesn't change away from being unhelpful.
    HulkHogan- While I still enjoy the RP elements of his posts, I'm starting to get an impression of little contribution and being quick to jump on the bandwagons out there. Not a definitively damning opinion, but...

    Distrust
    Twintania -upgrading (or downgrading I suppose) from yesterday. Still don't trust, and going forward with it.
    JackSparrow - Same boat as Twintania.
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    Can you talk about why you have Twin and Jack so low? Feels like there's a lot of explanation for literally everything else, even if some is kind of vague
  16. SubZero

    Mafia 4 - The Fall of FoS

    Rikishi said:
    Please everybody slow down on counter trains to the Princess. I don't want her to slip again. She cannot be trusted as she has been caught lying. Get your post count up but don't give her and scum any wiggle room.

    And Moana is 100% town. I understand his distrust on SZ, but I am not certain. Maybe 80%.
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    I'm switching back to Peach but if we're not gonna do something with this phase, then we should just hammer Peach. Waiting around with a dead phase feels like torture.
  17. SubZero

    Mafia 4 - The Fall of FoS

    Sauron said:
    I have but I want to know how I can look up any player’s posts without having to look at the entire thread. There must be a way to do that?
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    Did you see my screenshot I sent?

    Are you playing on computer or mobile right now?
  18. SubZero

    Mafia 4 - The Fall of FoS

    Sauron said:
    So you think she’s scum based off of wagon atrophy? Any other reasons?
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    She's also been playing scummily. Self-voted to "save" a townie she had no info on. Emptily pushed Sora who is dead and confirmed town, including parking there for a while when we had info confirming his innocence. Has contributed almost no reads other than the empty push on Sora despite being asked about it. Basically admitted to not being town this phase(could be neutral/3p). Has not shown any desire to actually help push anyone or solve the game.

    There are reasons why some of this could just be a WTF Town player. But when combined with the wagon situation, it just looks like she's scum, or at least not town.
  19. SubZero

    Mafia 4 - The Fall of FoS

    Sauron said:
    I understand how to get an ISO but clicking on a specific post but how do I find all of the ISOs? Of all the players? Or rather how do I look up a particular player?
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    Look at the screenshot below.

    If you're on a computer, the reply number is to the right. But you want to click on that. It'll bring up the list of people who have posted in the thread.
    SubZero said:
    So you can click the ISO button at the top of each post to ISO that specific person, or you can go to the Mafia Game Threads subforum and click here

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  20. SubZero

    Mafia 4 - The Fall of FoS

    No specific Peach quotes. Her ISO is pretty small, but my primary concern with her is that her wagon has been counter to a town wagon on two different days, and on the last phase it struggled to gain any momentum against the Hades wagon which was basically a runaway from the start of D3.
  21. SubZero

    Mafia 4 - The Fall of FoS

    @Sauron you can also click the threadmarks button at the top of the page and that will take you to the starts and ends of days, as well as different events. That way you can get sort of the highlights of what's happened so far.

    You can also click Reader Mode(might be in the threadmark menu on mobile) and that will just display all the threadmarks as full posts.
  22. SubZero

    Mafia 4 - The Fall of FoS

    Sauron said:
    I’m new to this site but not new to forum mafia.
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    Ok, just making sure

    D1 was largely a crapshoot for wagons. I would mostly pay attention to the last hour and then focus on D2 and D3. The most contentious slot for today is Princess Peach, but all thoughts are welcome.
  23. SubZero

    Mafia 4 - The Fall of FoS

    Sauron said:
    Can. someone tell me how to do ISOs on this site?
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    So you can click the ISO button at the top of each post to ISO that specific person, or you can go to the Mafia Game Threads subforum and click here

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  24. SubZero

    Mafia 4 - The Fall of FoS

    Sauron said:
    I would really love

    Can anyone give me a very brief rundown why these specific slots are being wagoned?
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    You said you're new to this game? Do you mean the game of mafia/werewolf in general? Because I wouldn't expect a new person to use the term "slots"
  25. SubZero

    Mafia 4 - The Fall of FoS

    Alysrazor said:
    Best I can do is maybe just before deadline. At work, have plans for tonight and work early tomorrow.
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    Do you not have any off-the-cuff thoughts?
  26. SubZero

    Mafia 4 - The Fall of FoS

    SolidSnake said:
    I'm at a loss as to where to go, other than tug at the Princess thread and see where that takes us. Not a lot to work with, I know, though by your own admission you were entrusted with knowledge. I assume you would have been told the identity of the killer if actions had not been obscured, right? If I'm reading the write up correctly.
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    Yep, that's what I'm gathering. Which is why I thought Art was guaranteed scum at first, but now I'm thinking the obfuscation makes it so I've got true, but tainted results.
  27. SubZero

    Mafia 4 - The Fall of FoS

    More importantly @Alysrazor why don't you share whatever reads you have, weak or otherwise.

    Maybe you should give us some VCA.
  28. SubZero

    Mafia 4 - The Fall of FoS

    Alysrazor said:
    Love how I’m being sus’d even though my early game has always been weak.
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    Yeah, I don't have a good clue who you are

    My problem, though, is that your later game is actually worse than your early game here

    Which...this statement makes me think I know who you are

    And it's not helping your case at all
  29. SubZero

    Mafia 4 - The Fall of FoS

    Would also like to hear from @Arceus
  30. SubZero

    Mafia 4 - The Fall of FoS

    XavierWoods said:
    Voting record is the ONLY thing they would have. There has been no other input.
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    I mean this is NAI for Medivh, so voting record means a lot to me with them.

    I dunno, Med could be scum but I just feel like Alys has more likelihood to be scum.
  31. SubZero

    Mafia 4 - The Fall of FoS

    @SolidSnake what say you? GrumpyCat has appeared and said a few things. You've been quiet this whole phase.
  32. SubZero

    Mafia 4 - The Fall of FoS

    Assuming Peach flips scum, I think Med's voting record has been better.
  33. SubZero

    Mafia 4 - The Fall of FoS

    XavierWoods said:
    I think Scum have popped most, if not all, of their big tricks early. Mass block and hidden actions. From previous games between Rajah/FoS and with everything coming together, scum have typically had 2-4 big actions like that. Depending on size of the game and number of factions.

    That being said, I think we will see more consistent actions at night now.
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    How would you feel about voting Alys instead of Medivh?
  34. SubZero

    Mafia 4 - The Fall of FoS

    Bacon said:
    MasterChief is conspicuous by his absence, although it is Sunday and people got stuff going on in real life. I'm not sus of Jack, I was just a bit salty he called me out for being lazy. But after a shower and with a beer, the world is a little better. We just need more actions to go through, and if we coul direct actions towards people not yet featured in write-ups, we might have a few more possibilities.

    But it's always the way - more active = towny, less active = scummy. I'm guilty of it myself, including in this game.
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    I'm definitely pondering MasterChief again, but I'm not gonna be too critical of his absence at this exact moment.
  35. SubZero

    Mafia 4 - The Fall of FoS

    Also, that shit looks delicious
  36. SubZero

    Mafia 4 - The Fall of FoS

    Bacon said:
    View attachment 107

    My balls are just fine & my opinion on Peach hasn't changed. Already said my vote was part placeholder in case the day ends unexpectedly again.
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    Any thoughts on anyone else outside of Peach, Alys, and Jack? Doesn't need to be a big thorough solve, I just wanna know where your head is at.
  37. SubZero

    Mafia 4 - The Fall of FoS

    Bacon said:
    Vote: Alysrazor

    Partly placeholder, partly FOS.
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    What do you think about Peach?

    Also, I don't think Jack has really done as much roleplay in recent phases
  38. SubZero

    Mafia 4 - The Fall of FoS

    Good. Now start proving it and use your damn vote.
  39. SubZero

    Mafia 4 - The Fall of FoS

    And if I die and Moana continues to sit on his hands, don't trust the Morrison info at all because town!Moana is more than talk
  40. SubZero

    Mafia 4 - The Fall of FoS

    Well, that's not the full reason why he suspects me, but it's a dumb reason and I'd rather be actually do something about it or move on
  41. SubZero

    Mafia 4 - The Fall of FoS

    Moana is basically saying he has nothing and doesn't have the balls to vote anywhere else

    Sad
  42. SubZero

    Mafia 4 - The Fall of FoS

    If we're trying to get a good alternative to Peach

    Vote: Alysrazor

    I think this is the better shot
  43. SubZero

    Mafia 4 - The Fall of FoS

    @Moana Who the hell are you voting or suspecting? You've been floating a lot and coasting on being "cleared" isn't going to help me actually buy into it if you're not trying to help town. You're better than this.
  44. SubZero

    Mafia 4 - The Fall of FoS

    @HulkHogan Where are your reads other than Peach and Moana? Who else is fishy to you, brother?
  45. SubZero

    Mafia 4 - The Fall of FoS

    Twintania is a coin toss without looking at their ISO. Maybe isn't partnered with Peach, but I think I finally have a bead on who they are and their style of posting is something I tend to want to scumread but is just kind of true of them regardless of alignment. I wouldn't outright veto pushing there, but I'd rather flip Peach first and assess from there.

    I do think this post
    Twintania said:
    I think Medivh is town. Not getting any scum vibes.

    Nothing screaming out at me about Hulk either at the moment.

    I could be wrong but those are my reads.

    I am fine with pushing the Hades train but if we are looking for another train maybe Rikishi or JackSparrow. Nothing really sticking out to me about either just trying to think of somewhat more active people to push beyond low activity. I do think there is probably a scum in the lower activity but I feel like there has to be scum more involved in the conversations.
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    may be a good look because calling out Rikishi and JackSparrow is inspired and even though no read is really given on either, I think trying to suggest alternative wagons on active people probably comes from a town motivation to help despite feeling lost.
  46. SubZero

    Mafia 4 - The Fall of FoS

    If at least one of Peach and Alys are scum, Bacon probably never scum. If Peach and Alys are both scum, than Bacon is never scum.
  47. SubZero

    Mafia 4 - The Fall of FoS

    Bacon said:
    I'm reasonably confident the ones on 1 vote are town. Red team wouldn't put themselves in unnecessary danger and all it would have taken would be SolidSnake unvoting or moving, or Hades/XavierWoods self voting. I also believe that the reds all knew it was happening so would have been alert to quick changes (led by SubZero and ArttheClown, IIRC). So, on that flimsy reasoning:

    Vote: Moana
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    I like this post from Bacon. It feels like someone actually trying to find somewhere to dig their feet in, flimsy as it may be.

    I think the D2 vote on PrincessPeach after was a good move and also shows some towny flexibility. and I think the vote on Croissant was shown as something that was more or less trying to ensure a majority:

    Bacon said:
    I mean, Peach's ISO is pretty terrible and I stand by my comments from earlier.
    But Croissant's is not much better, and that seems to be the way the wind is blowing.

    Vote: Croissant
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    Bacon said:
    Peach is being super unhelpful but our leading posters think she's town, I could see a case for jester but don't know if vk uses them
    Medivh hasn't given me much to go on, but I can't see anything scummy, if they are the person I think they are. Just rather typical for them.

    What about Alysrazor and Arceus? These two have completely flown under my radar.
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    The above post kind of bothers me because it pulls the same line Alys did of "The leading posters think they're town so won't explore there." Only difference is Bacon actually implies that he doesn't like Peach. And I think asking about Alys and Arceus here is a valid move, and looks good if Alys is scum. He also follows up later saying Arceus feels clean which at the time feels like a good read to come to, though it could be sponging consensus.

    I also like that they opted to vote Peach for competing trains on D3 instead of just following the wind again.

    So yeah, there's a bit of lack of play that concerns me, but overall feels independent and driven by town goals more than being opportunistic or just floating by for the sake of it.

    I'm not interested in pursuing Bacon today.
  48. SubZero

    Mafia 4 - The Fall of FoS

    I wanted to buy into Alys' panic at the end of Day 1, but the drop-off after is real. D2 spends a lot of time self-defending and explaining their vote and positioning. They give these reads when pressured:

    Alysrazor said:
    Peach - I can see the reasoning behind it but idk, something feels off to me
    Applejack - More or less MIA also, no real opinion
    Croissant - Neutral to me
    Art - Slight town lean I'd say.
    Sora - Feels town to me
    Gibbs - No posts, no way to know.
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    Which are pretty nothing, with a noted soft defense of Peach.

    They emptily suspect Hades when I ask, someone I was openly for voting, and then when asked for reads later on D3, they give the post above. They vote Hades and that's about it.

    So yeah, not a great looking slot.
  49. SubZero

    Mafia 4 - The Fall of FoS

    Xavier, who are the people you want to vote and why?
  50. SubZero

    Mafia 4 - The Fall of FoS

    XavierWoods said:
    I know my position on both of those lynches look like crap. Had votes elsewhere going into the end of the day and moved to secure a lynch.

    There are a few I want to vote, and given how little we have to go on, we likely have scum hiding in the inactive/lurker/low poster range. I was hoping the Apple/Sauron slot would get solved last night by listo, but thats not what we got.

    As far as Art the tree, we need to be careful. There was a game where Foxi was a scum tree and it screwed with town and led us astray.
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    I have info that confirms him as 3pups(or maybe CWE). Signs seem to be pointing to him being the real 3pups, but that's not a lock at all.
  51. SubZero

    Mafia 4 - The Fall of FoS

    Alysrazor said:
    Yeah.

    Jack is more gut and the fact he is still doing the gimmick and not seeing much.
    Art just feels off to me.
    Twin is the same.
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    The limpness of these reads is gnawing at me
  52. SubZero

    Mafia 4 - The Fall of FoS

    Bacon, Alys, Jack, Twin, MasterChief, Arceus, Xavier, Hulk, Grumpy

    If Peach is scum, would take out Jack and Xavier, Probably Arceus, maybe even Bacon

    Alys, Twin, MasterChief, Hulk, Grumpy

    I'm gonna be honest, I'm not a fan of the way Grumpy is defending Peach so staunchly. Maybe not the first person I'd push, but it doesn't sit great.
  53. SubZero

    Mafia 4 - The Fall of FoS

    Late voters on Croissant: Bacon, MasterChief, Alys, Arceus, JackSparrow, Xavier (Sephiroth, SolidSnake, Rikishi, Art)
    -With Jack and Xavier, if Peach is scum, I don't think the later vote on Croissant matters considering I think it's NAI to go for which lynch will actually meet majority.

    Voters on Hades D3: Hulk, Grumpy, Twin, Jack, Alys, Xavier (SolidSnake, Art)
    -Same thing with Xavier.

    If we ignore Xavier for now, we have Alys and Jack as the crossover between wagons.

    Not a great look for Alys, especially if Peach is scum
  54. SubZero

    Mafia 4 - The Fall of FoS

    GrumpyCat said:
    Theory time:

    Peach can talk to players at night. They need to submit target beforehand as day action. Mass rb affects only night actions so that worked.
    Croissant told her their role (if claiming is allowed in such scernario). They could lie if they were scum but as town you either tell the truth or say you wont tell anything.
    Peach got town read on Croissant in the end so they had a way to compare roles.

    Do you like theories Peach or do you think theorising is stupid?
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    GrumpyCat said:
    Righteous and pure Princess' heart is.
    Obediend the cat will now.
    Try to scrach the Princess againg wont try.
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    GrumpyCat said:
    They could think so but couldnt be sure.
    Would someone that is 100% town sacrifice themselves for someone that is say 90% town and assume they are more powerful role than they are?

    Sounds weird to me but there are different playstyles and different people i guess
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    @GrumpyCat

    This is all I see for why you townread Peach

    Why do you townread Peach? Just because of self-voting over a townie?
  55. SubZero

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    VoidKitten said:
    Day 3 Vote Count:

    Hades - 5 (SolidSnake #1266, HulkHogan #1269, SubZero #1283, GrumpyCat #1399, ArtTheClown #1501)
    HulkHogan - 2 (Moana #1272, JackSparrow #1410)
    Medivh - 2 (Sora #1316, XavierWoods #1283)
    Sora - 1 (PrincessPeach #1322)
    PrincessPeach - 1 (Rikishi #1365)
    Sauron - 1 (Bacon #1496)
    Twintania - 1 (Arceus #1524)
    Alysrazor - 1 (Medivh #1531)

    Not Voting: Hades, MasterChief, Sauron, Sephiroth, Twintania

    It is now Day 3. Day 3 will end at 8:00pm ET on June 9th or when majority is reached. With 20 players alive, majority is 11 votes on a single player. If majority is not reached by end of day, modified majority will come into play.

    Current Modified Majority: 8
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    VoidKitten said:
    Day 3 Vote Count:

    Hades - 6 (SolidSnake #1266, HulkHogan #1269, SubZero #1283, GrumpyCat #1399, ArtTheClown #1501, Twintania #1539)
    HulkHogan - 2 (Moana #1272, JackSparrow #1410)
    Medivh - 2 (Sora #1316, XavierWoods #1283)
    PrincessPeach - 2 (Rikishi #1365, Sephiroth #1536)
    Sora - 1 (PrincessPeach #1322)
    Sauron - 1 (Bacon #1496)
    Twintania - 1 (Arceus #1524)

    Not Voting: Alysrazor, Hades, Sauron, MasterChief #1556, Medivh #1561

    It is now Day 3. Day 3 will end at 8:00pm ET on June 9th or when majority is reached. With 20 players alive, majority is 11 votes on a single player. If majority is not reached by end of day, modified majority will come into play.

    Current Modified Majority: 8
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    VoidKitten said:
    Day 3 Vote Count:

    Hades - 6 (SolidSnake #1266, HulkHogan #1269, GrumpyCat #1399, ArtTheClown #1501, Twintania #1539, Sora #1586)
    HulkHogan - 3 (Moana #1272, JackSparrow #1410, PrincessPeach #1588)
    PrincessPeach - 3 (Rikishi #1365, Sephiroth #1536, SubZero #1573)
    Medivh - 1 (XavierWoods #1283)
    Sauron - 1 (Bacon #1496)
    Twintania - 1 (Arceus #1524)

    Not Voting: Alysrazor, Hades, Sauron, MasterChief #1556, Medivh #1561

    It is now Day 3. Day 3 will end at 8:00pm ET on June 9th or when majority is reached. With 20 players alive, majority is 11 votes on a single player. If majority is not reached by end of day, modified majority will come into play.

    Current Modified Majority: 8
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    VoidKitten said:
    Day 3 Vote Count:

    Hades - 8 (SolidSnake #1266, HulkHogan #1269, GrumpyCat #1399, ArtTheClown #1501, Twintania #1539, Sora #1586, JackSparrow #1410, Alysrazor #1622)
    PrincessPeach - 5 (Rikishi #1365, Sephiroth #1536, SubZero #1573, XavierWoods #1596, Bacon #1618)
    HulkHogan - 2 (Moana #1272, PrincessPeach #1588)
    Twintania - 1 (Arceus #1524)

    Not Voting: Hades, Sauron, MasterChief #1556, Medivh #1561

    It is now Day 3. Day 3 will end at 8:00pm ET on June 9th or when majority is reached. With 20 players alive, majority is 11 votes on a single player. If majority is not reached by end of day, modified majority will come into play.

    Current Modified Majority: 9
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    VoidKitten said:
    Day 3 Vote Count:

    Hades - 9 (SolidSnake #1266, HulkHogan #1269, GrumpyCat #1399, ArtTheClown #1501, Twintania #1539, Sora #1586, JackSparrow #1410, Alysrazor #1622, XavierWoods #1628)
    PrincessPeach - 5 (Rikishi #1365, Sephiroth #1536, SubZero #1573, , Bacon #1618, Arceus #1627)
    HulkHogan - 2 (Moana #1272, PrincessPeach #1588)

    Not Voting: Hades, Sauron, MasterChief #1556, Medivh #1561

    It is now Day 3. Day 3 will end at 8:00pm ET on June 9th or when majority is reached. With 20 players alive, majority is 11 votes on a single player. If majority is not reached by end of day, modified majority will come into play.

    Current Modified Majority: 9
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    Before this point, Hades held a pretty obvious lead at 3 with few people giving input on other players and no momentum on counter wagons, other than strong attempts from the leaders of Peach and Hulk. Hades was basically the de facto lynch, and with Solid being considered a clear and me supporting the wagon, It makes it easy to follow. But there were good cases and a strong push on Peach from Sephiroth and Rikishi, two prominent voices in the thread, and then later me. Yet it struggled to gain any traction, and when it did, it was in the final hours and there was a good amount of pushback or handsitting about the idea.

    I'm also about to look at crossover between the Croissant and Hades voters
  56. SubZero

    Mafia 4 - The Fall of FoS

    Actually, I forgot Grumpy and Art voted there later, but again, in that case we have at least one probably confirmed town and then Grumpy who is the one proposing the possibility of Applejack being saved with a Peach wagon, so from his perspective would have to be town.
  57. SubZero

    Mafia 4 - The Fall of FoS

    VoidKitten said:
    Day 2 Vote Count:

    Croissant - 9 (Sora #940, Sephiroth #954, SubZero #957, Rikishi #963, Pikachu #997, SolidSnake #1005, Bacon #1014, MasterChief #1052, Alysrazor #1060)
    PrincessPeach - 4 (JackSparrow #590, Twintania #822, Medivh #887, XavierWoods #1015)
    Applejack - 4 (HulkHogan #611, Arceus #898, Moana #934, GrumpyCat #966)
    Sora - 2 (PrincessPeach #644, Croissant #1028)
    ArtTheClown - 1 (Hades #900)

    Not Voting: Applejack, ArtTheClown, Gibbs

    It is now Day 2. Day 2 will end at 8:00pm ET on June 6th or when majority is reached. With 23 players alive, majority is 12 votes on a single player. If majority is not reached by end of day, modified majority will come into play.

    Current Modified Majority: 11 votes
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    VoidKitten said:
    Day 2 Vote Count:

    Croissant - 7 (Sephiroth #954, Rikishi #963, Pikachu #997, SolidSnake #1005, Bacon #1014, MasterChief #1052, Alysrazor #1060)
    PrincessPeach - 6 (JackSparrow #590, Twintania #822, Medivh #887, XavierWoods #1015, Croissant #1084, Sora #1086)
    Applejack - 4 (HulkHogan #611, Arceus #898, Moana #934, GrumpyCat #966)
    Sora - 1 (PrincessPeach #644)
    ArtTheClown - 1 (Hades #900)
    Hades - 1 (SubZero #1090)

    Not Voting: Applejack, ArtTheClown, Gibbs

    It is now Day 2. Day 2 will end at 8:00pm ET on June 6th or when majority is reached. With 23 players alive, majority is 12 votes on a single player. If majority is not reached by end of day, modified majority will come into play.

    Current Modified Majority: 11 votes
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    On the matter of Applejack, I do think it's possible there was motivation of saving them, but there could have been saving of Peach at the same time. After the votecount Grumpy posted, Croissant was the only one to gain steam for a while, with the latter half of voters on Croissant being questionable. Meanwhile, the only push that came on Peach after came from two confirmed town, and then Peach's self vote, which, again, I think could easily be crazy town or ballsy scum.

    So Applejack/Peach can easily be partners.
  58. SubZero

    Mafia 4 - The Fall of FoS

    Man, we're seriously dealing with 6 scum left unless Art is scum. That's terrifying.
  59. SubZero

    Mafia 4 - The Fall of FoS

    I don't think it's impossible that Peach and Applejack could be partners. Applejack/Sauron could be a hit, but I do kind of think the bus drive on n2 was less a chance to save Applejack and more trying to kill a vocal town player while potentially framing Applejack in the process. But they aren't above scrutiny at all at this point.

    I'll talk about your list of suspects soon. I'm looking at some things at the moment.
  60. SubZero

    Mafia 4 - The Fall of FoS

    SubZero said:
    On one hand, I don't like that Hades didn't share any reads when prompted. On the other, I think refusing to vote out of concern there's no point is townier than randomly voting Hulk
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    SubZero said:
    Hades and Peach could both be scum, but the fact people have been around but no real moves have been made makes me feel like whatever active scum are around are stalling. And peach not gaining any real momentum just makes me feel that might be the better hit here.
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    SubZero said:
    Gonna be gone for a bit, but Hades flip, the fact I'm pretty sure Art was scum, and the Peach wagon couldn't gain any traction - all signs that make me think Peach really was the hit yesterday

    This is beyond Peach's play just being scummy in general
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    SubZero said:
    Are you not at all concerned about her lack of real participation in the face of pretending like she's participating? Or the fact that's she was a counterwagon that twice was taken over by late stage voters? The fact that a very select few actually bit on Peach all day yesterday? You don't think if Peach was scum, that her wagon would have gained more traction as an alternative to Hades? That's like carte blanche for scum to be able to have an "I told you so," moment.
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    @GrumpyCat

    The second to last post is still valid even if Art is town. The point is that the wagons were stalled yesterday and there was minimum interest in pushing Peach all day. A small handful of people, whom I believe are mostly town, called for Peach's head. And even when someone outspoken like me pushes for peach over Hades, there's no traction. Compare that to how easily people followed me on Hades. And the fact that a bunch of late voters showed up to pile on Hades, with most people who had anything to say about Peach soft defending him in the least.
  61. SubZero

    Mafia 4 - The Fall of FoS

    GrumpyCat said:
    Whats the case on them?
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    Bruh
  62. SubZero

    Mafia 4 - The Fall of FoS

    GrumpyCat said:
    I think after being a target 3rd day in row they dont care anymore.
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    Ok, but what about the stuff that doesn't pertain to her playstyle? You've ignored this twice now.
  63. SubZero

    Mafia 4 - The Fall of FoS

    I was basically defending Peach early last phase and D2 because I thought the reason people were pushing her basically came down to scummy playstyle. But we've grown past that.
  64. SubZero

    Mafia 4 - The Fall of FoS

    GrumpyCat said:
    Peach playstyle was scummy more often than not, but there were times that mattered when their posts came from town mindset.

    I can be more or less scummy too. Depends on a game and stiuation. It doesnt make players mafia. There are reasons to how people will play.
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    I'm not talking about just general scummy playstyle. I mean the fact Peach has shown no actual desire to solve ever since Sora was confirmed clean and Croissant flipped. ON TOP of the situational aspect that looks like scum didn't want Peach to die.

    If we're talking scummy playstyle, I'd just be voting Medivh...
  65. SubZero

    Mafia 4 - The Fall of FoS

    GrumpyCat said:
    I cant tell you who I am but self target is not allowed. Read writeup, should help if you have a spreadsheet or someting.
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    I didn't think you self-targeted.
  66. SubZero

    Mafia 4 - The Fall of FoS

    GrumpyCat said:
    I want to believe Peach is town because otherwise I was wrong and I dont like to be wrong. feels bad.
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    Are you not at all concerned about her lack of real participation in the face of pretending like she's participating? Or the fact that's she was a counterwagon that twice was taken over by late stage voters? The fact that a very select few actually bit on Peach all day yesterday? You don't think if Peach was scum, that her wagon would have gained more traction as an alternative to Hades? That's like carte blanche for scum to be able to have an "I told you so," moment.
  67. SubZero

    Mafia 4 - The Fall of FoS

    Medivh said:
    Won't solve the game? Really?
    That's strange because I remember Subzero saying my playstyle this game was ok?
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    Can you give 3 people you think could be scum? Ideally a bit of reason would be nice, too, but we can take it slow.
  68. SubZero

    Mafia 4 - The Fall of FoS

    GrumpyCat said:
    Alysrazor, Beacon, Hulk, Sauron, Twintania. I think there is like 3+ scum there.
    And if it was Peach all along then fuck me.
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    So you think Peach is town?
  69. SubZero

    Mafia 4 - The Fall of FoS

    Moana said:
    Got it. Self target.
    :squint:
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    No
  70. SubZero

    Mafia 4 - The Fall of FoS

    GrumpyCat said:
    My take on night actions.

    1. 3puppies bus drives me and SubZero. Not an expert on night action priority but bus drive is usually pretty high up there so i start with this.
    2. Robozerim tries to kill me(?) but goes to SubZero instead. Fails to kill.
    3. Then Robozerim tries to protect Sauron. Why?? Why protect an afker that replaced an afker. Because they make 1 post, said they will post some time next day. And Robozerim is like - This guy will post must be protected. Where is so much wrong with what Robo is trying to do here.
    4. 3puppies kills Sora. Answer to why this happens comes later.
    5. CWE watches Sora. Sends me a result. SubZero gets it from bus drive. Says Sora was visited by Clown.

    If SubZero saw Art then Art is not supremacy. Claimed 3puppies, said he was mind controled.No reason to lie.

    6. Dreyski was to spy on SubZero but spies on me instead (bus drive). I have no idea what that action did.
    7. Diablo buffed Sauron. Like seriously? There is something wrong going on here. Like come on.
    8. Listo kills Art. Vigi shot based on some gutfeel maybe. Not a bad shot. I mean bad because it was on town but thats hind sight.

    If there are parts I missed or got wrong let me know.
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    I'm not 100% certain "unseen" means they couldn't be tracked, just that we wouldn't see their real character. But after having the conversation with Art, I'm thinking your interpretation is mostly right. Art is the real 3pups, and I got the info that paints him as the fake 3pups. It's either that or he's the fake 3pups. I'm willing to believe the first one for now unless someone protests him being 3pups.

    Also, reading this description means I was completely wrong on who I thought you were.
  71. SubZero

    Mafia 4 - The Fall of FoS

    Rikishi said:
    How did you know that Art targeted Sora and confirmed that he was the fake 3pups? That was not in the writeup. I understand the deal here is that folks watching and tracking won't get their own info, but they will choose to send it to someone else. Does that mean Art chose to send it to you? If Art was the fake 3pups, as scum why would he be tracking and sending info to you? Or did you get it because you were also busdriven? If so, does that mean Art chose to send it to GrumpyCat?

    I apologize for my confusion - I need a glass of wine. Perhaps a bottle.
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    Also, the bus drive was not a typical bus drive. That's probably all I can say.
  72. SubZero

    Mafia 4 - The Fall of FoS

    Rikishi said:
    How did you know that Art targeted Sora and confirmed that he was the fake 3pups? That was not in the writeup. I understand the deal here is that folks watching and tracking won't get their own info, but they will choose to send it to someone else. Does that mean Art chose to send it to you? If Art was the fake 3pups, as scum why would he be tracking and sending info to you? Or did you get it because you were also busdriven? If so, does that mean Art chose to send it to GrumpyCat?

    I apologize for my confusion - I need a glass of wine. Perhaps a bottle.
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    CWE watched Sora. I got CWE's info. At least I'm pretty sure, I don't how else I could have got it.
  73. SubZero

    Mafia 4 - The Fall of FoS

    Sephiroth said:
    one more time on the town case for arceus? cause if peach is scum there are two worries.
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    Eh, they felt really pure on d1, but they've fell off a bit. Not my preferred direction, but worthy of re-evaluation
  74. SubZero

    Mafia 4 - The Fall of FoS

    Sephiroth said:
    I think the action on grumpy cat was an attempt to stop someone who might have switched.
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    Are you talking about Dreyski or 3pups?
  75. SubZero

    Mafia 4 - The Fall of FoS

    Hmm. I just looked back at Art's posts and...I can see a world where the info I have on him is faulty.

    He's basically either CWE or 3pups. Technically he'd be the fake 3pups, but maybe Morrison's effect showed me the target of the fake while showing me the actual player behind the real 3pups(real as in the real role, not the poster 3pups)
  76. SubZero

    Mafia 4 - The Fall of FoS

    ArtTheClown said:
    Sometimes i feel like you're being deliberately obtuse. But that's just my opinion personally.
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    No I'm just dumb.
  77. SubZero

    Mafia 4 - The Fall of FoS

    Let's hear everyone's theories for who else is scum. Let's not make this all about PrincessPeach.
  78. SubZero

    Mafia 4 - The Fall of FoS

    @ArtTheClown If you're actually town, you could help us solve and prove it

    So far, you've just followed the lead wagon with little of your own groundwork to justify it.
  79. SubZero

    Mafia 4 - The Fall of FoS

    ArtTheClown said:
    Well idk about that. I cant actually access my discord on my new phone whilst at work because lost my previous email account haha. So if there's any rules VK told me in that i cant see them til i get home where im auto logged in.

    Seeing as im cannibalised also, feel like i claimed i will be removed from the game.

    That said, i have apparently been quite present in the night actions!
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    CWE showed up for the first time. That's the only person other than fake 3pups you could be. So you haven't been that present in the night actions each night...unless you've been acting in favor of scum.
  80. SubZero

    Mafia 4 - The Fall of FoS

    You probably will be, I was just curious on your response
  81. SubZero

    Mafia 4 - The Fall of FoS

    ArtTheClown said:
    Y'know i can still talk. I'm telling you. I was town.
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    Well you can't be modkilled, so who were you?
  82. SubZero

    Mafia 4 - The Fall of FoS

    I guess in retrospect I'm glad Art is dead, but not getting the flip would be hella unfortunate if I didn't get info
  83. SubZero

    Mafia 4 - The Fall of FoS

    Gonna be gone for a bit, but Hades flip, the fact I'm pretty sure Art was scum, and the Peach wagon couldn't gain any traction - all signs that make me think Peach really was the hit yesterday

    This is beyond Peach's play just being scummy in general
  84. SubZero

    Mafia 4 - The Fall of FoS

    EBWOP vest, not bodyguard
  85. SubZero

    Mafia 4 - The Fall of FoS

    I don't know who protected me or whatever or if I had a hidden bodyguard, but thanks
  86. SubZero

    Mafia 4 - The Fall of FoS

    I think I know who Grumpy is

    Role wise, not player-wise
  87. SubZero

    Mafia 4 - The Fall of FoS

    XavierWoods said:
    So Scum actions were hidden. With both Robo and 3pups "acting" twice, are 1 of each action a scum performed action and the other a town? Or were both Robo and 3pups motivated to be able to perform multiple actioons?
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    I'm like 100% certain the kills were actually scum. The other Robo/3pups actions were the legit ones
  88. SubZero

    Mafia 4 - The Fall of FoS

    SubZero said:
    Ok, 3pups did a reflective action the previous night, and Robo did the protective shield. So the kills are definitely masked actions.

    There's still some other stuff I have to parse here, but the good news is that Art targeted Sora and confirms that he was the fake 3pups.

    Which is good because I was gonna push him today

    Vote: PrincessPeach

    You're next
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    There's a small chance that Art was CWE, but I don't think that's the case
  89. SubZero

    Mafia 4 - The Fall of FoS

    HulkHogan said:
    Yah I think there’s scum trickery with those kills dudes! They might have one of terminator killers and be able to shape shift. Wouldn’t put it past Void to include something like that brother!
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    Look at Morrison's action and then the fact we didn't see any reds. All scum were terminators last night, but it's probably not a permanent thing.
  90. SubZero

    Mafia 4 - The Fall of FoS

    XavierWoods said:
    "3puppies looked shocked at the sudden darkness but knew it wouldn’t interrupt his plan. He set out and was able to locate both SubZero and GrumpyCat and gave them new orders, sending them both in the other’s direction."

    looks like 3pups also bussed you
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    I don't know if that was a traditional bus, but otherwise yes
  91. SubZero

    Mafia 4 - The Fall of FoS

    Ok, 3pups did a reflective action the previous night, and Robo did the protective shield. So the kills are definitely masked actions.

    There's still some other stuff I have to parse here, but the good news is that Art targeted Sora and confirms that he was the fake 3pups.

    Which is good because I was gonna push him today

    Vote: PrincessPeach

    You're next
  92. SubZero

    Mafia 4 - The Fall of FoS

    Also, I feel like stumping Art was not at all a good call, but meh

    Rereading this, I'm thinking Morrison's action made it so scum's actions were replicated as town actions, so 3pups kill was probably actually a scum kill. Also a Robo tried to kill me? But I don't know why it wasn't successful
  93. SubZero

    Mafia 4 - The Fall of FoS

    Why the hell did 3pups kill Sora?!?
  94. SubZero

    Mafia 4 - The Fall of FoS

    Here's hoping I was right originally
  95. SubZero

    Mafia 4 - The Fall of FoS

    Vote: Hades

    I guess just to make sure we get a lynch
  96. SubZero

    Mafia 4 - The Fall of FoS

    @Moana What say you?
  97. SubZero

    Mafia 4 - The Fall of FoS

    Hades and Peach could both be scum, but the fact people have been around but no real moves have been made makes me feel like whatever active scum are around are stalling. And peach not gaining any real momentum just makes me feel that might be the better hit here.
  98. SubZero

    Mafia 4 - The Fall of FoS

    The sad, frozen state of affairs

    2240um.jpg
  99. SubZero

    Mafia 4 - The Fall of FoS

    Jack, you just gonna sit in Hulk all day or are you gonna make a move?
  100. SubZero

    Mafia 4 - The Fall of FoS

    JackSparrow said:
    But does that outweigh the fact they just basically threw the towel? A read can chnge minds doing nothing is either defeated scum or town that doesnt care. why bother signing up then?
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    Townies can throw in the towel, too. Croissant largely did the same.

    My point isn't that Hades is suddenly town because of it. It's that Peach looks worse.
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