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Good job. Sorry boys. I fucked it up missing the first few days, and coming in unprepared.

Listo95 said:

Correct. King is seperate from all starting BD/Unseen numbers.

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So we'd assume that they had the king to start, two additional roles, and then recruited 3puppies n1?

Listo95 said:

We have no way to know. Assuming you aren't the MM, they easily could've targeted someone immune.

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Does the Unseen king at the start impact the numbers?

FutureHold said:

Not on me

Rock, just a gut feeling

Satsu, I haven't heard much

Mazer

I don't think we should mislynch me or have MTR hit an innocent person even if he is dying

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So if you just have gut feelings, but don't want to hit an innocent who do you think should be pushed

rock meets hard place said:

I don't think my claim would really make BN and Listo go "oh my God I finally see the light" or anything but if we were to massclaim the point wouldn't be to validate myself its just that for me there are some unknows and I'm curious about BN, Sats and Listo's roles and actions but on 2nd thought its prob not a good idea. Mass claiming when the game is close is normal in my neck of the woods.

I'd lean Future since that's what we all agree on.

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You never know who has put together what.

rock meets hard place said:

should we mass claim?

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You feeling good on your validation?

If it was satsu and Future, where do you lean?

Listo95 said:

Well, could still be MM possibly.

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I don't think so.

CWE said:

Satsu. Reasons.
Mazer. Breathes.
Assessing targets. Unknown.

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Not this time. I'm right as rain.

What about quickly with an angry uncle resentment?

What's our thought on where the scum team would be with heads?

Listo95 said:

Honestly, shocked I'm not dead.

My top suspects are Rock/Future.

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I think future has pinged me for a minute. Especially with mtr as hunter and I still think cwe is probably neuteal.

I had something I was working through the other night for rock, but was kind of out of it and didn't jot down my notes.

Need to revisit.

Listo95 said:

Not really. Gut is still iffy with Rock. I'll need to try and ISO people to see if I find anything else.

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the 3pups flip seems pretty apparent. If we're wrong, and he was truthful, would that change your thoughts any?

Blind Ninja jump in on this too?

VoidKitten said:

Just over 4 hours remaining

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Just check in with me and I'll let you know when to pull the plug. Currently thinking about 6 hours.

Listo-no major changes in your earlier thoughts/reads?

And sometimes the heart wants what the heart wants

I love my nephew. Despite his refusal to do his chores.


But we do know he is not CWE. And I wonder if your quote actually indicates something different.




DUH DUH DUH

3puppies said:

Been tied up with a crisis at work. No point in arguing to save myself, as there's not much time left in the day.

But why would I claim my role if I had been converted to scum?

If Future was scum, MTR would be dead by now.

Not sure where to place my vote so

Vote:
SLEEP

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What do you think MTR?

VoidKitten said:

That is a lucid, intelligent, well thought out request.

Overruled.

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Sorry. I'm going to have to continue in my previously requested manner. I know that means you're going to have to put in some OT. And I KNOW how hard you've been working. But it's what the team needs. And believe me, if I had other options....I'd use them.

But I tell you what. Go get lunch on our dime. And bugger off a little early on Friday.

FutureHold said:

No, I am not, this is true at the time of this message

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Why aren't you?

Mtr, do you think futurehold is scum?

Just give me a couple extra hours in case future needs more time.

Thanks in advance

futurehold.....are you scum?

rock meets hard place said:

he claimed protective yesterday, and then later said that he has protected you both nights instead of the other protective which is ??? Listo is inferring that he's a knight, was recruited and then used frenzy to kill Nightengale.

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thx. I'm not trying to throw a wrench in. the d1 claim is still interesting, but the thought of the n1 conversion makes sense. If 3 puppies, is in fact converted, the mind goes certain places fo other possibilities.

rock meets hard place said:

he claimed d2, not today

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What do you feel his motivation was for needing to make a claim then?

This, and your earlier thoughts, make sense. Do you see my reason for hesitation?

My reservation with 3 pups, and I apologize if I've missed something, but I'm not sure what motivation he would have had to come out with a false claim at this point.

Is the primary argument against 3pups his night actions?


Right now my trust list, is more of a trust listo.

Listo95 said:

Dear god why only 4 hrs? o.O

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A normal night's sleep is 12:30-1:00 to 5:00.

It's a sign of weakness to wake up on a different day than the one you went to sleep on.

If it's a true claim, I would guess 3pups is playing Rajah style with his move, and also basing it off my normal rep and not what I'm doing today.

But I think I should be able to sleep for at least 4 hours tonight, and I've weathered the storm here.

Looking forward to a full reread now.

Xanjori said:

Either that or Foxxi used Mazer and knows he is assassin

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Wouldnt that be .....more than a lean then?

rock meets hard place said:

Why are you asking about dead players?

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Mostly sleep deprivation. I crossed off in the wrong columns

Can "no king" just be voted on, or do we have to ratify a new form of government first?

Blind Ninja, what are your thoughts on Jack and morro now?

Cwe?

Vote: robo

I guess it's not Domo Ragatio, Mr. Roboto

Blind Ninja said:

People I think should be eliminated today would include Jack, Morrison, Robo, Matt

Morri seems likely a husk with no response 3/4 through the day.
Jack can be removed at EoN if the bleed is true and nobody heals, so would be a wasted vote.
Matt, just vibes I dont like. (or by own bias) But doubt anyone would really get on board with that alone.
So like gonna go for our King thats doing less than most

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Morri, who can be an absolute wrecking ball when he's engaged, can disappear for long stretches. It definitely happens.

Nightingale said:

@3puppies - this game is always either Cult or Unseen, never both no matter how large it is. And it's a fine balance between claiming info, and not. Depends on if you feel it will help make something more clear. Making info too easily obtainable for the scum does give them a better idea of who they may want to target.

@rock meets hard place - something that may not be known to you if you haven't looked over other games we've played, but CWE never lies. Ever. It's why Void put the rule in this game that we can't ask what his alignment is, nor can he state it. Although honestly in this game that's a bit awkward because we are allowed to claim our role, and in the case of CWE that would be as good as confirming his alignment anyway, soooo...

@Mazer - to me it sounds like CWE may be claiming benign neutral, since that's the first thing that comes to mind with him saying it's a complete waste of time for *everyone* to vote him, but you know his nuances better than I, how likely would it be for him to make such a statement in a cult style game? Do you think he would lean into the the thought "it's a waste of time to vote me, I'll just be replaced"?

@CWE - do you have no one you are suspicious of?

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He hasn't usually taken the waste tact. I feel better about him after his reply. I don't immediately see the way his waste comment can be construed as being scum, and went the same place on neutral. But he's clever and if we saw a mechanic that made a kill on a different role non-impactful, it would be worth revisiting. But I'm deprioritizing for now.

rock meets hard place said:

I'm a little confused. You said I was going for easy inactives. I asked you why you didn't call me out and you said it was because you were not here. Maybe not at the beginning of d2 but you were very much around d1 when I was pushing Morrison. So why not call me out then? What's the difference between me going after you, satsu, and Morrison and Nightengale going after Morrison and CWE? I don't at all understand the last series of questions. I found all 3 of you scummy and I said as much

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Show me where I was around early day 2. I didn't even login from Thursday until yesterday. This is just a falsehood at this point.

Nightingale pinged early, and asked questions based on a specific read on each. And one of the few things I did on d1 I was curious about with Nightingale, and I lean town with her based on her play.

I dunno. Just think it's weird that you're on timing when it was literally on a post recapping all of d2, and where I conclusively had not been around.

CWE said:

Complete.

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For everyone? Or just me?

rock meets hard place said:

Why not call me out yesterday? Why are you and BN focusing on me going after inactive but not nightengale? Are you guys just scum that thinks I'll be an easier lynch than her? What is your read on Morrison?

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Wait, this one was at me.


Back to my earlier answer


The same reason I didn't say anything to anyone. I wasn't here.

What would be the advantage of waiting? You either made an easy out or you didn't. Which was it?

CWE said:

Voting me is a complete waste of time.

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Complete is strong

MTR said:

I am fine with going after the king.

I joke that Future is scum but I am honestly on fence.

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What's your read on future coming from?

Sorry, pulled a quote. Didn't realize thar one wasn't at me

rock meets hard place said:

Why not call me out yesterday? Why are you and BN focusing on me going after inactive but not nightengale? Are you guys just scum that thinks I'll be an easier lynch than her? What is your read on Morrison?

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I wasn't here

Nightingale said:

We need to come to some form of consensus soon if we're going to have any hope to reach majority. I still dislike morri's D1 - but I am hesitant to want to eliminate someone who may turn out to have been reaped.

I am not pleased with Robo's participation thus far, he hasn't bothered to give any thoughts or opinions on anyone - and his one comment today that he protected Jack last night at random does not sit well with me. Even in the early stages of the game I would expect some effort to pick a person he felt was town-ish for that rather than a dice roll. Although... the other side of that is I don't know why he wouldn't just lie and say he'd picked someone who would be accepted as a good protect target, or made up a reason for someone or whatever. I'm leaning distrust at this point though.

Listo I tentatively trust, I've seen him do some ballsy plays as scum, but not usually early game like this, so I believe whatever info he has on Jack is accurate - but if Jack is bleeding he's probably going go die anyway.

I want to try shaking something that's being ignored, CWE is usually more involved when he's town.
Vote: CWE
@Mazer - can you tell me what you think of CWE?

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What was your read on Morri d1?

Nightingale said:

We need to come to some form of consensus soon if we're going to have any hope to reach majority. I still dislike morri's D1 - but I am hesitant to want to eliminate someone who may turn out to have been reaped.

I am not pleased with Robo's participation thus far, he hasn't bothered to give any thoughts or opinions on anyone - and his one comment today that he protected Jack last night at random does not sit well with me. Even in the early stages of the game I would expect some effort to pick a person he felt was town-ish for that rather than a dice roll. Although... the other side of that is I don't know why he wouldn't just lie and say he'd picked someone who would be accepted as a good protect target, or made up a reason for someone or whatever. I'm leaning distrust at this point though.

Listo I tentatively trust, I've seen him do some ballsy plays as scum, but not usually early game like this, so I believe whatever info he has on Jack is accurate - but if Jack is bleeding he's probably going go die anyway.

I want to try shaking something that's being ignored, CWE is usually more involved when he's town.
Vote: CWE
@Mazer - can you tell me what you think of CWE?

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He's not been as active prodding. His lower inactivity is most commonly typical of two things:

He genuinely doesn't know where to go. In those situations, he defaults to me or Psych. Unless he has a really, really good reason to not think it's one of us.
or
he's scum.

CWE sometimes is more when he's town. He's always more quiet as scum.

Here are my thoughts I jotted down as I was reading through:

Weird for Rock meets Jeff Hardy to immediately want to sleep. Deserved to be called out, which Foxxi immediately does. Doesn’t feel like a scum strategy, unless it’s scum tactic 5. Eyes open.

Jack claims bleed. Interesting. Which role would do that. Anyone who read the role cards want to help me here?

3puppies immediately claims a protective action…..

Rock going for the easy inactives.

-Does anyone have history with Rock? Overall new player or just new to the forum?

I don’t have a good read yet, but BN is a prodder. His questions are not inappropriate.

Listo/satsu on cults-color me intrigued



Nightingale-Your side eye on listo not bringing up the possibilities on jack? Not asking you to go overboard, but is your read potentially based on him having an agenda with it? After reading about why it might be fake, Jack is intriguing to me after yesterday’s restriction and votes. I’d like to self-check because my memory is more scattered then typical on the game.



The points Rock, Satsu, and foxxi make on the eventualities are key. Any danger on any of these things if he’s trying to induce a heal target?



Mtr just kind of wandering in with a safe vote. Several inactives, knows Morrison less likely to come in guns blazing. But also might be indicative of the forcing tendency.

Nightingale said:

This is where I am honestly. Just let the bleed do its thing, and if he doesn't die to it because he's faking, or someone decides to heal him then we can worry about that then. And in the meantime
@morrison @Mazer are you still alive?

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Barely. Been working non-stop, somewhat unexpectedly. Hopefully resolves soon, or at least by Monday. I'm not appealing, just stating the fact that people should know that me barely appearing would pretty much always be because of non-game factors. I'm trying to read since Friday now.

rock meets hard place said:

Can anyone confirms that Nightingale has in the past tried to preach the merits of day 1 play before?

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Fucking hell....I've heard that enough times from her and a few other people.

Yes, can confirm

Jack, who are you most suspicious of beside me?

I don't remember us interacting much previously.

CWE said:

@Mazer

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Hi.

And shame on 2 of you.

3puppies said:

Am I the only person who has never played this style before?

Is there a reason not to
Vote: Sleep

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I played once and died n1