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I'm not sure I agree with you Xan. Listo understands this game better than anyone else, and I don't see him pulling a stunt like this on D2 if he were scum. And Jack's behavior doesn't really make me feel like he is town. He clearly wants a heal, but that's NAI. And other than when someone - can't remember who, might have been BN - asked him to give thoughts, all he's done all day is beg for that heal. And his refusal to claim or even hint at what info he may be able to provide in order to convince people why he should be healed makes me feel like he's just hoping to make someone pity heal him when it may not be in our best interests to do so.

Gotta figure out how to let you answer this...
Why do you think Jack is trustworthy?

I have info he's okay
It's a vibe read
I distrust listo more
Other

I should specify - it's a very town reaction for Matthieu

For fucks sake Matthieu... why -.- you had one person prodding you. You didn't even have any votes >.< Also, while I certainly wouldn't mind being inoculated, that wouldn't actually prove anything since I wouldn't be told you did it. The only way it could be proven would be if someone then also admitted to trying to bleed me and I could confirm it didn't work.

Inability to actually use that as proof aside, I believe you - this claiming TPR thing at the first hint of pressure is a very town reaction.

And as Rock pointed out, yes - I was allowed to say I was restricted.

This whole thing is weird - like... did this person pick who Xan had to quote? Because if they did, why *me* who is one of the most vocal people, and not someone who barely says anything? Or was it just a "you can only quote one person" but Xan got to pick who that was? That would make more sense.

Can go a bit further than that probably if you do have someone you suspect
I suspect this person may be responsible

And since you can't reply to satsu -
I think listo is responsible
I do not think listo is responsible

Oh, I fogot
I distrust this person

I'm sure you have reasons. Hm. Are you allowed to cut down a quote to only include what you want, or does it have to be the full quote?
I think he's lying
I have info to think this person is suspicious
I trust this person

Could use those with votes maybe if you can pick an choose parts of my posts?

Well that's annoying. Are you allowed to vote? I would think you can still vote?

Wait. Can you quote copy anyone other than me?

Yeah, I figured that part out. Now I'm trying to figure out if I can help you communicate whatever it is you may want to say.

I have mixed feeling on this

No, I do not agree with this

Yes, I agree with this

Hmmmm. Are you allowed to quote players at all still? I'm going to test something, try to give you responses you can use if you can quote people's posts

Xan.... why are you quoting things I've said and not even making them quotes?

CWE said:

Val died after voting the king. King=bad.

Hence, did scum kill Val to frame the king?

Or did an evil king order the kill and plan on using the frame job defense if questioned on said kill?

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It doesn't work that way. The king either began as Good, Cult, or Unseen (Cult or Unseen depending on which faction we have). No one knows the alignment of the king - not even the scum if he is aligned. An Unseen/Cult king doesn't have communication with the scum faction, nor can he personally kill anyone.

So there would be no point in killing Val to frame the king since the King couldn't have done anything to kill Val. And the King could not have ordered scum to kill Val.

Now, if the scum thought the King might be aligned with them, they might have decided to kill Val because he'd called to remove him - but Val wasn't the only person who had wanted to yeet the king yesterday, nor was he the most vocal, so I don't know how much weight I give that.

CWE said:

Val's 1st post. Frame job on the king?

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What....? Val flipped town? What are you even trying to imply here?

@Blind Ninja @CWE @FutureHold @Matthieu @Mazer @morrison @Robozerim @Satsu @Xanjori

None of you even have votes out, and we are running out of time. Gun to head, who are you voting today? Who do you not want to vote today?

I'm personally inclined to vote the king, his lack of interaction despite my efforts isn't a good look.

I don't want to see listo, rock, pups or MTR yeeted.

Unless someone has some reason we should keep our current monarch..
Unvote: CWE
Vote: Robozerim

@3puppies - this game is always either Cult or Unseen, never both no matter how large it is. And it's a fine balance between claiming info, and not. Depends on if you feel it will help make something more clear. Making info too easily obtainable for the scum does give them a better idea of who they may want to target.

@rock meets hard place - something that may not be known to you if you haven't looked over other games we've played, but CWE never lies. Ever. It's why Void put the rule in this game that we can't ask what his alignment is, nor can he state it. Although honestly in this game that's a bit awkward because we are allowed to claim our role, and in the case of CWE that would be as good as confirming his alignment anyway, soooo...

@Mazer - to me it sounds like CWE may be claiming benign neutral, since that's the first thing that comes to mind with him saying it's a complete waste of time for *everyone* to vote him, but you know his nuances better than I, how likely would it be for him to make such a statement in a cult style game? Do you think he would lean into the the thought "it's a waste of time to vote me, I'll just be replaced"?

@CWE - do you have no one you are suspicious of?

I haven't really considered the silence abilities because.... why? Why would someone bother to silence morri when he has hardly been a chatterbox or said anything even remotely controversial. Unless you wanna tinfoil that MTR is cult/unseen/reaper and got spooked by the hail hydra joke... but eh.

Blind Ninja said:

Fair take on CWE. With Mazers post of quiet based on game type or quiet based on scum, do you lean more one way or the other? Or is this more a poke to see what shakes out to get a read?

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I'm concerned about his activity level could be a potential tell, but I'm poking to see if I can get any better info.

rock meets hard place said:

I feel like Nightengale and I were on the same page yesterday but today we couldn't be more different. I am at a slight disadvantage as I don't know people normal play but there's no evidence to suggest that Morrison has been silenced today and I think Future is kinda scummy. Its like he's posting but he's just there...it seems very active lurk.

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If you're confused about the morri bit - there's a potential 3p killer called a reaper; when they kill they leave a husk behind - basically the player they kill is dead - can't talk, can't vote, can't use any abilities- but isn't actually removed from the game until the end of the next night and can still be voted *on*. So the fact Morri hasn't said anything at all yet today makes me think that may be what has happened.

I am not opposed to giving our king the boot today - I have pinged him at least twice I think (between last day phase and today) asking him to give input, and he hasn't responded to any of my questions.

MTR I don't feel one way or the other about yet, future I had a solid town read on D1, but given the nature of this type of game and his lack of participation today I'm less sure of that now.

Mazer - I didn't like the fact that I pinged Morri D1 to come participate, and he was here almost immediately, but only with a token couple of posts: one asking for people to give him the rundown of what happened and then a joke question at MTR - only to then vanish and not return. Currently though I am suspicious he may be dead since he still hasn't said anything despite being pinged.
As for Listo, he is the most familiar with this setup of all of us, and the way Jack was behaving D1 made me suspicious he might be a fool (jester type role) - so when Listo came in and started pushing at him initially without seeming to even acknowledge that as a possibility, it made me concerned that he was trying to get a fool yeet; which would be very bad for us. I no longer think listo has malicious intentions here, but if Jack is truly bleeding he will likely die anyway so I'm not fully sure why listo is so focused here.

BN - I picked CWE because he's someone I currently have almost no opinion of; and while he is generally quiet, he tends to be even *more* quiet when he is scum... and he's been nearly silent. So I want to poke and see what people say/do.

We need to come to some form of consensus soon if we're going to have any hope to reach majority. I still dislike morri's D1 - but I am hesitant to want to eliminate someone who may turn out to have been reaped.

I am not pleased with Robo's participation thus far, he hasn't bothered to give any thoughts or opinions on anyone - and his one comment today that he protected Jack last night at random does not sit well with me. Even in the early stages of the game I would expect some effort to pick a person he felt was town-ish for that rather than a dice roll. Although... the other side of that is I don't know why he wouldn't just lie and say he'd picked someone who would be accepted as a good protect target, or made up a reason for someone or whatever. I'm leaning distrust at this point though.

Listo I tentatively trust, I've seen him do some ballsy plays as scum, but not usually early game like this, so I believe whatever info he has on Jack is accurate - but if Jack is bleeding he's probably going go die anyway.

I want to try shaking something that's being ignored, CWE is usually more involved when he's town.
Vote: CWE
@Mazer - can you tell me what you think of CWE?

heh. What do you think about Listo's push on Jack MTR?

Unvote: Morri
I'm starting to think either he or mazer have been reaped.

@Robozerim - come convince us why we shouldn't dethrone you.

@Listo95 - you believe Jack to be a neutral. I see no reason currently to disbelieve this, but how convinced are you that he is a neutral we should be concerned about?

Satsu said:

I mean if cult had all that charges and could kill 2 targets at once then where are those kills.

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It's either kill or convert for the Cult. They can't do both in the same night, so if it is a Cult they very well may have chosen to convert.

JackSparrow said:

Scum arent the only ones that can bleed hunter can aswell

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Hunter can't bleed until day 2 - today is the earliest a hunter could be responsible, and since you were told last night phase, it can't have been a hunter.

Satsu said:

Where do you see with how many charges cult starts?

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It's on the card? In parentheses?

Satsu said:

The way i reas is ithey could use erradiacate thive but thry dont tart wtah any charcgrs?

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They do, they start with 3 charges - once those are used then they have to sacrifice cultists or they can't kill anymore. It's right there on the cult leader card so I dunno what you're looking at XD

rock meets hard place said:

Is bleed a day action?

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It is, yes. And then the player is told when night begins. So assuming he is telling the truth, he would have been told at the beginning of N1. There is a town role that can give bleeds, but that role can't do that until D2 - so if Jack's bleed is real it had to come from scum.

Satsu said:

Ok so this is what i am at;:

If this is a "cult" cult type game. then cult cant kill on n1 unless they sacrifive a cultist and I dont see a dead cultitst. In this case Val is an SK kill and as such i am like 95% confident Matthieu isnt an SK.

Is this is an "unseen" cult style game there is a possibility of a killl missing. So if you didnt make a post today would you kindly make one.

Good thing could come out of that. Maybe.

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Huh? Cult doesn't have to sacrifice anyone to kill? At least not at the beginning of the game, they start with 2 charges of their kill ability and have to later sacrifice members to gain charges back. They could absolutely have decided to kill N1 - it just means that they can't also try to convert because it's the cult leader who has both actions. However, the Cult always makes two kills, so if they did decide to kill N1 for whatever reason there's two kills unaccounted for.

rock meets hard place said:

if Jack is going to bleed out why vote him out?

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This is where I am honestly. Just let the bleed do its thing, and if he doesn't die to it because he's faking, or someone decides to heal him then we can worry about that then. And in the meantime
@morrison @Mazer are you still alive?

From my pov I think it's unlikely Jack's restriction was real - because I know mine was real, and there are only three roles that could possibly have done that. So in order for Jack AND me to have been hit by a post restriction on the same day (because a single person/role can't do that to two people in the dame day), that would mean we HAVE to have 2/3 of those roles. And after one decided to target me, the other one had to have been active, seen what my restriction was, and then decide to copy it and make Jack do it. Or else two random unaligned people just happened to decide coincidentally to hit people with the same exact restriction and that was just when the actions got handled by the mod.

Neither of those scenarios is *impossible* -- but they seem much less likely to me than that of Jack faking. The question then becomes *why* would he fake it? I see no reason for town to fake a restriction. Nor do I think it's likely unseen/cult/NK would want to draw attention like that unless they were specifically *trying* to make people paranoid that they were attempting to be sus and therefore might be the fool. The third possibility is that he is the fool trying to be sus and get yeeted.

And I am side-eyeing listo for not pointing this out... because I'm struggling to see how he's sus of Jack for that restriction, and how that translates to Jack being someone that we might want to yeet *unless* he *also* thought the bleed was a fake cover for unseen/cult, which isn't what he's said.

Robozerim said:

He's an evil newt you say? I wonder if the court witch I hired is responsible for newting him. I think she deserves a raise, if true!
Plausibly poor, poor Jack. Well, maybe he's telling the truth, maybe he's not. I actually visited him last night to try and protect him (it was a random dice roll, figure I'm not gonna live long enough to use all my abilities anyway), but that immunity explicitly doesn't protect from bleeds according to the rules post on page one, so not much coming from that.

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This doesn't make sense to me. Even if you expect you might be eliminated or killed, why wouldn't you at least make some effort to determine who you feel should be protected?

Listo95 said:

Vote: JackSparrow
I wanna start here today.

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Is there a particular reason for this? Or you just don't believe him?

rock meets hard place said:

Vote: sleep

nothing is going to happen again today so there's no point in even trying. Let's speed up the inevitable.

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....what?? Are you assuming because we didn't yeet D1 that we never will?

Val is a strange kill....He said almost nothing didn't he? And only one kill means we may be dealing with a cult and either a sorcerer or possessor I think? Or that was an unseen kill and we have a reaper maybe, we should pay attention to see if anyone doesn't post today. Also possible that protections or occupies might have been successful and skew what this looks like, though I don't think anyone tried to kill listo.

I have no more info on players than I did yesterday, and so will go right back to my primary suspect from D1 for now. I do expect and want more from robo today though.
Vote: Morrison

rock meets hard place said:

6

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la bonne réponse était 11

Xanjori said:

Like I said, if targeting a town then a wolf could easily copy my vote with a joke reason too, or call me out for wasting time today. I mean its not like we've not had enough of that kinda talk around sleep votes.

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Je déteste vraiment cette restriction en ce moment parce que - cela rend la tâche encore plus difficile. bon sens. dans. toi. POURQUOI. Pourquoi doit-il être un loup parce que votre vote sur lui a été ignoré par ce qui, statistiquement, doit être la ville majoritaire ? C'est un loup parce qu'aucun des autres membres de la ville 8-9 et des neutres 3-4 n'a décidé de suivre votre vote ? Et s'il est en ville - oui, un loup aurait pu en profiter et essayer de le pousser, ou vous donner du fil à retordre pour votre vote - mais NE PAS faire cela n'est pas la preuve que les chiots ne sont pas en ville. Pour mémoire, je pense toujours que Xan est en ville. La logique de merde merdique qui me donne envie de l'étrangler vient presque toujours de la ville de Xan.

autant que je me souvienne, personne n'a commenté mon vote aléatoire sur listo autre que listo, et je n'ai même pas précisé que c'était aléatoire.

Xanjori said:

Like I said, it was ignored completely almost. Not a single comment on it.

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Tu as dit que c'était aléatoire. A quel genre de commentaire vous attendiez-vous pour ça ?

Xanjori said:

I mean his reaction to all of this isnt exactly filling me with good feelings. And even if its only one partner no ones really interacted with my post or my vote, its just been ignored completely. If 3puppies was innocent wolves would at least prod and poke at it, either to make me look bad or look at a free ride on a town vote.

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Il y a 7 personnes qui ont au moins un vote, il est impossible pour elles d'être toutes de la racaille à ce stade - même s'il y a de la racaille dans cette propagation, et même si un partenaire s'est inquiété et a senti qu'il devait dévier - ils ont beaucoup d'autres options que les chiots, alors comment le fait de ne pas être poussé le rend-il suspect ?

Xanjori said:

See, screaming evil but no one else is interested.

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Vous vous rendez compte que même si les chiots sont de la racaille, il n'aurait pas plus d'une personne en partenariat avec lui en ce moment ? Donc, en supposant que vous êtes en ville, toutes les personnes qui l'ignorent sauf une sont également en ville ou en tiers ? Avez-vous une autre raison pour laquelle vous pensez qu'il est suspect à part le fait qu'il ne gagne pas plus de votes, et maintenant son OMGUS ?

MTR said:

Why is it annoying? We have no info. We are going off reads and some people are not posting very much. We won't have info until after night 1 and with no writeups to a degree still no info unless people start sharing anything they learn. Pretty typically for us to not yeet someone day 1.

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C'est. ennuyer. Mais j'ai renoncé à essayer de convaincre un groupe de personnes du mérite de lyncher D1 à ce stade. Comment imaginez-vous que l'on joue à des jeux qui ne possèdent aucun rôle particulier ? Est-ce qu'ils s'assoient simplement sur leurs mains et ne lynchent jamais personne parce que personne ne se présente avec des informations mécaniques? Ils doivent FAIRE cette information - et cela se fait en poussant les joueurs, en voyant qui est d'accord, qui y résiste, quelles sont leurs raisons données, etc. Ce n'est pas parce que les jeux auxquels nous avons tendance à jouer ont beaucoup de rôles qui génèrent des informations d'autres manières, ne nie pas la valeur fondamentale de la façon dont la mafia est jouée. Fin de la boîte à savon.

rock meets hard place said:

In hindsight, this being role madness it makes sense that people are not wanting to do much and wait till na's do things but the "its d1, we have no info" refrain is mildly annoying to me.

I'm leaving in a few and might not be back in time for dl

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Tu t'y habitueras. Ou devenir fou. Un ou l'autre. Une bonne moitié des joueurs ici (pas seulement dans ce jeu, mais dans cette communauté) refusent de lyncher D1 et veulent attendre des informations de NA. Certains d'entre eux refusent même de reconnaître que D1 donne la moindre information.

J'admets que je m'attendais à ce que Robo vienne au moins s'enregistrer et fasse quelques commentaires hier soir - il est généralement une affiche de fin de soirée basée sur mon fuseau horaire. Je ne m'attendais pas à ce qu'il écrive un livre ou quoi que ce soit, mais au moins qu'il donne son avis sur les choses.

@Robozerim

Mazer said:

Jack, who are you most suspicious of beside me?

I don't remember us interacting much previously.

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Jack est Griffes

et Rock - jusqu'à présent, les réactions de Matthieu semblent être urbaines. Je n'écris pas encore cela dans la pierre parce qu'il m'a déjà trompé, mais la façon dont il a répondu à ma prod me fait penser que cela vient plus probablement de la ville que de la racaille.

Oui, nous sommes autorisés à réclamer

Pour être juste, ce n'est pas encore le comportement qui me préoccupe de Robo. Il a tendance à ne pas être là et à publier beaucoup, mais quand il le fait, ses messages auront du contenu. Je serai inquiet si nous ne le voyons pas commencer à analyser et à peser les choses après aujourd'hui, mais je n'attendrai toujours pas plus que peut-être une poignée de messages de sa part par jour.

rock meets hard place said:

he's not my king!

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qui préféreriez-vous voir comme roi?

rock meets hard place said:

or rather Matthieyu and Morrison are decent votes.

but I thought that was funny

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Vous vous rendez compte que la liste est par ordre alphabétique ? Robo est juste au sommet parce qu'il est King =P

Je n'aime pas que Morri apparaisse simplement parce qu'il a reçu un ping, qu'il publie quelques messages au hasard, puis qu'il ne contribue ni ne commente rien d'autre.

Unvote: Matthieu
Vote: Morrison

Je pense un peu que Matthieu qui me vote est un citadin même si c'est OMGUS. Peut être. La plupart des joueurs vétérans savent généralement que je ne suis pas un lynchage facile. Bien qu'il ait essayé exactement le même argument dans le jeu, nous venions de finir de jouer quand je l'avais identifié comme une racaille pour essayer de me repousser le lynchage, donc il a clairement les couilles pour essayer.

Matthieu - pourquoi supposez-vous que mon vote unique sur vous pour obtenir votre réaction essaie de vous supprimer ?

@morrison

Avez-vous rattrapé? Vous n'allez pas juste venir faire une blague sur MTR et rien d'autre n'est-ce pas ?

rock meets hard place said:

?????

I agree that voting sleep and not doing anything has scum potential but didn't you argue that its NAI? So why vote him?

I also disagree on a potential Future lynch. He seems fluffy and active lurk to me

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La même raison pour laquelle je vote la plupart des gens à ce stade du jeu - pour voir ce qui se passe. Son ouverture était NAI. Cela signifie que je n'ai toujours aucun penchant pour lui dans aucune direction, alors pourquoi ne devrais-je pas essayer de générer plus d'informations ? Et l'avenir est toujours un peu flou, mais il y a eu assez de lui que j'ai aimé pour que je ne sois pas intéressé à le voir lynché aujourd'hui.

Cela fait presque 24 heures sans que Mazer ne se présente, ce n'est pas habituel pour lui, peu importe le rôle qu'il joue, je ne pense pas. Je me demande s'il a été réduit au silence, mais même si nous avons un rôle qui peut faire cela, je ne sais pas pourquoi ils s'embêteraient en D1 ? Morri ne s'est pas encore montré non plus je ne pense pas, et je doute fortement que les deux soient dus à des silences même s'ils existent. Je ne veux pas lyncher Future, Xan, Listo, Blind Ninja ou Rock aujourd'hui. Je ne ressens pas non plus Mazer qui n'est pas là pour se faire une idée.

@morrison -- Venez nous rejoindre

Unvote: Mazer
Vote: Matthieu

je suppose que c'est de retour au français

MTR is right. I wasn't told I couldn't say I was restricted, only that I would be mod occupied if I broke it - but going and reading the text for fool/scorned/apostle they all say I'll be occupied anyway since I spoke about the restriction so I don't see any point in making communication more difficult than it needs to be now.

In my defense, if I were going to fake this I would have read the damn ability and *known* how to fake it right.

MTR said:

They got hit with a restriction.

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Eh bien, j'ai été touché par une restriction. Je ne suis pas vendu sur Jack. Il n'y a qu'un total de trois rôles qui pourraient le faire. Max. Et cela suppose que nous ayons une culte. Sinon ce n'est que deux : méprisé et imbécile. Et cela signifierait qu'ils auraient tous deux été choisis au hasard comme rôles dans ce jeu, ET tous les deux présents et attentifs à me frapper, puis Jack juste après. Et même si nous avons un culte pour en faire un potentiel de trois, le rôle qui commence par le chef de culte est aléatoire, donc un culte ne signifierait pas automatiquement qu'il y a un apôtre.



Il me semble juste peu probable que j'aie été touché par un et qu'un deuxième se soit trouvé là pour voir et ait ensuite décidé de faire exactement la même chose à Jack.

Blind Ninja said:

I kind of think Jack is messing up in response to my restriction. The likelihood of there being two of these roles lying around on the wire, and one hitting me, and then the other immediately deciding to hit the claws with the exact same thing too - seems slim to me.

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Pouah. putain de. autour. Pas jack n'est foiré. et dans le. fil de discussion. pas dans le fil.

Satsu said:

I am like there has to be a Fool this game but so far didn't notice anyone that really wants to get yeeted :>

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pourquoi faut-il que ce soit un imbécile ? il y a deux autres possibilités ? De plus, le comportement de Jack pourrait absolument être celui d'un imbécile, mais c'est aussi un peu normal pour lui, alors *hausse les épaules*

Je pense un peu que Jack fait n'importe quoi en réponse à ma restriction. La probabilité qu'il y ait deux de ces rôles qui traînent sur le fil, et l'un m'a frappé, puis l'autre a immédiatement décidé de frapper les griffes avec exactement la même chose aussi - me semble mince.

Nous avons donc au moins l'un des éléments suivants : méprisé, imbécile ou culte avec un apôtre.

Eh bien. Il semble que quelqu'un ait déjà décidé que je dois me taire, lmao

MTR said:

Why? I am seriously trying to figure out how to not come off scummy when I am town and hunting scum.

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It's a combination of not liking the light sus on future while I'm actively saying I think that post could point to him as town since it seems like a strange thing for scum to say/do even if this is a Cult game, and if it's Unseen then it's even less likely he's part of that. And then pointing out *why* he might be assuming it's cult is just not a good town move. Not necessarily a scum move either, but I dislike it.

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Pings me a little that Future said just throw out the Unseen roles. We don't know if we have cult or unseen yet. Could be just a simple misunderstanding but then again he played this game once already so he should know that. Not ready to vote him over it despite his vote on me. Just tucking away for now. In part because he could be the Paladin which is only in cult games.

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I hate this post.

Blind Ninja said:

think satsu's point was if he had a role that led him to unseen. Because IIRC there are some roles that only exist in cult games, others that are only in unseen games

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Future was saying this is a Cult game and to toss out all the Unseen roles -- so my point is that if this turns out to BE an unseen game it's unlikely future began as Unseen.

Or well; maybe he thinks it's scummy. I think it's NAI

Xanjori said:

Am I misremembering, isnt it just his standard opening?

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It kinda is. BN's point is that it's NAI

Satsu said:

He doesnt need to be unseen to know there would be unseen.

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My point / train of thought is that he saw this is a cult game and assumed that meant the actual Cult -- if he began as one of the unseen he would know it was still a cult game because of their mechanics and therefore wouldn't just assume they didn't exist. For that matter if this is an unseen game and he were unseen, I don't think he'd come in and be like "yeah just toss out all the unseen cards, those don't exist" either.

Well, he wouldn't be starting assassin either I suppose, but the assassin can be replaced if they die, sooo

If this does happen to be an unseen game, I kinda wanna derp clear future from being the mastermind at least

FutureHold said:

This is a cult game so you can eliminate all of the unseen roles, and if most people did their logbooks unlike last game we can still gain info out of dead players, but no write ups is very tricky

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This is a cult game no matter what. Unseen can convert too.

3puppies said:

Vote: Unvote

I still have a lot to catch up on. But I noticed there is a neutral killer, and I remembered that in my very first game I led a train for sleep and was killed for it. So I don't want to lead the train.

I was all set to vote Listo as revenge for the last game. Then the response to Foxxi about having the most experience in this style made me cringe a bit.

Xanjori, I would vote for you as OMGUS. And you missed Foxxi's last game when she was town, survived a long while, finally got recruited to the winning scum team.

Mechanically, I was surprised to read that the king, if evil, does not know the others on his team. I find this hard enough to understand, and the fact that this game was written for mutliple scum factions, but with fewer players now it makes it harder to follow. We apparently aren't going to get writeups, and there are more roles than players, which just adds to the confusion. Would it be unfair to ask for a list of the actual roles that have been assigned, so we can eliminate the ones that don't apply?

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We don't get to know which roles are included- that's part of how this game runs. We know the things that *could* exist, but we have to use the info as we get it to figure out what *does* -- and also important to keep in mind and know for anyone not familiar with this: there can be duplicates of roles, except for the ones that are unique. Prince is unique, hunter is unique, there are soms more I can't recall off the top of my head too I'm sure

Xanjori said:

Is this because we dont want to lose the Prince as a Prince or?

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That. The prince has a unique and powerful ability to jail a player. The prince's jail will override other roles that normally cannot be occupied (roleblocked) and give info through that. He also has the ability to choose if the player he jails is killed or not, and the prince's execute can bypass things that would normally prevent someone from dying. He's far more valuable as the prince than as King.

Xanjori said:

If he is evil does he know who the cult/unseen members are?

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Nope. The cult/unseen king has a limited use night action that will tell him if someone is aligned or not, but he doesn't start knowing

Xanjori said:

Ill be honest I dont understand this set-up at all. When I woke up today I went to read the rolecard for the King to work out what he does.

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The king will begin as either good or evil (the neutral king and psycho king can only happen through election) it's random, and no one except him and Void know which he is. Investigative roles can't be used on the king either, so we have to decide to trust him or not depending on what he does.

Removing a king D1 is risky, even if you *had* an inkling he's an evil king - who would you trust to replace him right now other than yourself I assume? And there are some roles that you wouldn't want to accidentally promote to king - such as the prince; so picking a replacement practically blind early game is not ideal.

Xanjori said:

Foxxie reading me correctly

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Well I started to yell at you about how stupid that is since no one except robo or void know if robo began as a good king or an evil king so even IF I were unseen/cult I couldn't possibly be trying to defend robo for being evil since I don't know any more than anyone else does right now and wanted to vote you for your really shitty logic... and then I realized that probably just means town coming from you =p

Xanjori said:

Is it too early to call Foxxi/Robo w/w?

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Xan with faulty logic. Probably town.

I'm not super happy with Listo's response to a single vote - one opening vote is hardly trying to remove him. That said, he is knowledgeable about this style of game which can be valuable... depending on his allegiance, and that should be considered.

Think I'll poke the bear with CWE now
Unvote:
Vote: Mazer

And yes, when someone is yeeted or killed, we will be told what role they were.

3puppies said:

Just noticing there's a logbook. It will be hard for me to keep this under 50 words, as I am usually loquatious.

I am curious as to whether there are any general guidelines / hints that can be helpful to town as to what we should be including? I am hoping it will make sense as eliminations happen, but with no write-up, I dunno what to include. Will the role be flipped once someone is killed?

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Your actions and targets - so if you die people can look back and see what you did and how it may have impacted other people's stated actions.

As for sleep, I don't think there's any particular reason it *can't* be done - the last game had a whole trial thing where the first half of the game day was picking who was on trial, and the second half was deciding if that person would be yeeted or not; and there were several times they were not yeeted, which is effectively sleeping - but while there will be info from roles potentially after a night phase, it's not necessarily going to be as cut and dry early game unless the paladin/sheriff gets lucky

3puppies said:

Am I the only person who has never played this style before?

Is there a reason not to
Vote: Sleep

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Dunno about the new person, but I think the rest of us have played this at least once

Also - we should not even be considering yeeting Robo on D1 when we haven't yet gotten a chance to determine what kind of king he is, much less who should replace him if we did suspect he is evil.

Pretty sure Val tried to overthrow the king immediately last time too, so I wouldn't take it personally Robo.
Vote: Listo