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  1. Tildey

    Mafia 6 - Heart of the Cards

    Xanjori said:
    Hmm, that kinda thing would mean that provided he gets 2 NKs in a row and they never double target him for kills he'd almost always be unkillable no?
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    I agree that my original theory would be very power heavy in his favor. Hopefully, there’s a finite number of times he has to be targeted to die.

    For whatever it’s worth, I agree with CWE’s vote on Psych and it being time to take him out as not much seems to block Exodia’s kills.
  2. Tildey

    Mafia 6 - Heart of the Cards

    Crackleslap said:
    Yah. It's winnable for town to eliminate Psycho now...so we could assume. If Tildey's theory is correct in anyway, if Psycho is immune for at least 1 more death its probably gg for town anyways.
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    I do want to be transparent that I don’t have any insider info on the Exodia thing. But it’s a theory that made sense to me with the write up flavor and the multiple failed kill attempts on Psycho. It’s also entirely possible that he has a finite number of kill attempts he can survive and the next one will do it.
  3. Tildey

    Mafia 6 - Heart of the Cards

    CWE said:
    Someone tell me if my math is wrong...

    4 town 1 sk 2 scum

    Eliminate the sk leaves

    4 town 2 scum
    1 town dies leaves a 3v2.
    Winnable.l for town.

    Kill a scum and we have the potential to lose 2 town tonight. Then it's 2 town vs and sk and 1 scum that could team up to screw us.
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    Your math matches my math.
  4. Tildey

    Mafia 6 - Heart of the Cards

    Quick thoughts about Exodia. My early thought process was that it would take multiple rounds to take him out because you would have to deliver a hit for each soul he absorbed plus one for him. Basically, each time Exodia successfully kills he gets a BPV. My theory for him has also been that he would need to kill two red and two green without losing a life to win.

    Exodia History:
    N1: Exodia Takes out Val 1.0, Mystical Elf/Garbador (+1 life)
    N2: Exodia Kills DivaSmurf, Time Magician/Marowak (+1 life)
    D3: Psycho Shot during gun game, survives (-1 life)
    D3: Psycho kill attempt due to most use of the word "scum," survives (-1 life)
    -----If my theory is correct, a kill attempt on Psycho at this point would have succeeded
    N3: Exodia takes out Claws, Emrakul/Gabumon (+1 life)
    N4: Exodia tried to kill Listo, Seto Kaiba/Blue Eyes Ultimate Dragon but Oko took him out first (+0 life)
    N5: Exodia kills Llettuce, Blue Eyes Toon Dragon/Pikachu (+1 life)

    If my above theory is correct, then its still possible for Exodia to meet their wincon by successfully killing one more town person and one more scum. It also means that it will take at least 3 kill attempts to take out Exodia (assuming no additional successful kills in the interim).
  5. Tildey

    Mafia 6 - Heart of the Cards

    N1:
    • CWE appears to have been role blocked by Machamp. Ur-Dragon & Impmon acted N1 so that rules out CWE for both remaining scum pairs.
    • Xan also appears to have been role blocked (by Blue Eyes Ultimate Dragon) so he is also ruled out for the remaining scum pairs.
    D3:
    • MTR cleared Future from Red via Deets. Haven't seen any reason to really doubt that
    • It's heavily implied that Psycho is Exodia and therefore cleared of being Red.
    D5:
    • Crackle outted Mathieu as red via Deets. Based on the write up the only role that could have done this is a town role.

    The only living players I was not able to clear as possible red are Mazer & Val.
  6. Tildey

    Mafia 6 - Heart of the Cards

    I noticed that there are 4 scum characters left, so ostensibly 2 scum team members. I figured a good place to start was to see if I could come up with a reasonable guess at how the characters were paired as that would make spreadsheeting easier to rule out who could be mechanically cleared as scum.

    Impmon and Agumon are both Digimon
    Oko, Thief of Crowns and Ur-Dragon are both from Magic The Gathering

    If the pattern from the rest of the flipped scum follows, that means the two remaining scum team members each have one Digimon character and one Magic The Gathering character.

    Reviewing the write-ups I noticed that Impmon & Ur-Dragon both acted N1 and Agumon & Oko both acted N4 so those couldn't be the pairings. That leaves the following combos for the remaining scum team members:

    Agumon/Ur-Dragon
    Impmon/Oko, Thief of Crowns
  7. Tildey

    Mafia 6 - Heart of the Cards

    Mazer said:
    Although in fairness, just started a new job and was around less to start. Didn't keep up with my comment notes as much because of that combined with start of school and activities. Back to activities for kids 7 nights/weekend days.
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    I get that. I'm pissed that after getting turned into a stump that all the things hit the fan at work and I wasn't able to participate. I'll go ahead and do some posts with the stuff I noticed last night.
  8. Tildey

    Mafia 6 - Heart of the Cards

    Mazer said:
    Psych you should anticipate write-up tomfoolery/fakes. I suspect a traitor role at this point. I'd look for nights where a scum didn't act, and see if there are any non-explained actions or roles.
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    Why wait for Psycho? You're a good spreadsheeter. What does yours show?
  9. Tildey

    Mafia 6 - Heart of the Cards

    FutureHold said:
    there's 4 scum roles left, if we assume everyone has 2 roles, then that means 2 scum, both Val and Mazer were blocked it appears and neither scum acted
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    I had a chance to do some spreadsheeting last night and read the posts from Day 5. I came to the same conclusion regarding two scum remaining. My sheet was showing that only Mazer, Val, or Llettuce could be those two and I was leaning against Llettuce since Matthiu seemed to be pushing to vote her D5.

    Since she’s dead and flipped town, that leaves only Mazer & Val on that list.
  10. Tildey

    Mafia 6 - Heart of the Cards

    PsychoSoldier said:
    This reaction, I should specify, look like he's desperately trying to draw shots to me. Town wants me dead but town knows I'm fucked and mostly can't do shit. So scum clearly wants people to shoot me instead of Cape, who probably grabbed a bpv, so that if we chop him today, he lives. The potential kill threat against them is gone and Cape gets one more night to act.

    I don't think just pushing me or saying I need to die is scummy automatically. I think emphatically pleading for people to shoot me instead of Cape is just as scum motivated as pushing to chop me instead of Cape.
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    My read of the event rules was that the bpv was only good during the event (not until the end of phase). Meaning that if you chose the BPV then you couldn’t get shot by someone that chose gun. @VoidKitten can you clarify?
  11. Tildey

    Mafia 6 - Heart of the Cards

    @VoidKitten Can you tell us how you plan to handle vote ties? I checked the rules post but didn’t see anything about it. I know it’s not common to be able to pull off a tie, but seeing how close the Cape/Psych trains are I’m curious.
  12. Tildey

    Mafia 6 - Heart of the Cards

    3puppies said:
    The fact that she hasn't flipped does not help town at all, so it seems like part of a scum role
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    Definitely not scum.

    And it’s pretty typical for someone to not flip when they become a stump.
  13. Tildey

    Mafia 6 - Heart of the Cards

    3puppies said:
    Any insight as to why you got stumped instead of flipped?
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    None that I can share.
  14. Tildey

    Mafia 6 - Heart of the Cards

    3puppies said:
    MTR cannot tell us his character nor his role, but the info he provided makes me believe he is not a cop, but that he was able to identify players that were not noted in the write-up, as characters that did. He knows who he targeted, but he can't say that specifically.

    If I was able to figure this out, I am sure that others can, and MTR deserves protection.

    Tildey getting stumped does not seem to jive with the rules of the gun game

    Did Psycho just lose his BPV?

    Windward losing his life hurts town because he should have taken the BPV, but it supports keeping psycho alive as he did not register a kill, and Exodia needs 2 more.

    I'd love to hear Tildey share whatever she can about how/why she decided to choose a gun.
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    It was a calculated risk. I decided it was worth it to take a shot at Psycho since he said he would take multiple tries for town to take him out.
  15. Tildey

    Mafia 6 - Heart of the Cards

    I’m going to go ahead and cast my vote. I’m trying to follow the thread on my phone today but I have lots of meetings this afternoon and I don’t know if I’ll be able to consistently check in. I don’t want to risk an early end to day without having cast a vote.

    Vote: Cape

    I have no reason to not trust MTRs claim. Plus the fact that he’s entirely disappeared since being called out seems very telling.
  16. Tildey

    Mafia 6 - Heart of the Cards

    Xanjori said:
    Wait, now Crackle has two votes?
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    The past two day phases whoever has been in a neighbor chat with Nightingale appears to have an extra vote. Crackle said something earlier about being confident she was talking to a town person today. Between that and the double vote I’m guessing Crackle has today’s chat.
  17. Tildey

    Mafia 6 - Heart of the Cards

    Crackleslap said:
    This is Rocks list before his untimely death, I feel like scum probably wouldn't kill Rock - (assumingly) being vaillied, unless it was absolutely necessary. The list could be one of those reasons. Rock was getting a bit testy with Matt.
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    I got a little focused on how Squirtle could have acted but wanted to circle back to this because I feel it’s a really good point. Why waste a kill on a player that’s been vanillaed unless they were onto something?
  18. Tildey

    Mafia 6 - Heart of the Cards

    Crackleslap said:
    Good point. Squirtle didn't act n1 though. It was summoned skulls ability that persisted indefinitely. Squirtle acted n2. So that could be some shady shit.
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    Two characters acted on Rock N1. The Summoned Skull flavor reads like the vanilla action to me. Could the Emrakul action have been a 1 night delay of action? It would explain Squirtle acting after Rock had been vanillaed.
  19. Tildey

    Mafia 6 - Heart of the Cards

    PsychoSoldier said:
    I think Kareemah is the one that stands out to me due to her treatment of rock, and llettuce getting the same vibe kinda makes me trust that more.
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    Kareemah calling Rock's post content fluff right after posting her own series of fluff posts stood out to me. Especially since at that point in time Rock's post were more content heavy than Kareemah's. And I didn't feel good about her response to your push on it.
  20. Tildey

    Mafia 6 - Heart of the Cards

    Crackleslap said:
    Is it possible (if there is) a frame on Cape, the action lasts longer than one day/night phase?
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    It is possible. I was on a scum team once that had an ability to permanently change how someone appeared to alignment checks. However, MTR did specifically state that his deets weren't from cop checking Cape.
  21. Tildey

    Mafia 6 - Heart of the Cards

    3puppies said:
    We don't know that wishing to vanillla-ize psycho or stump him would even be granted.
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    Based on the comment that the wishgranter is looking for fun and interesting wishes, I would guess that it is unlikely that either of these types of wishes would be granted.
  22. Tildey

    Mafia 6 - Heart of the Cards

    CWE said:
    Question...

    Eliminate the sk or test MTR's info?
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    I like that MTRs dees line up with your liver bone from last phase.

    And if Psycho's telling the truth that it'll take several attempts to take him out, I'd rather focus on a sure(er) thing (assuming Cape doesn't have a bpv or something).
  23. Tildey

    Mafia 6 - Heart of the Cards

    llettuce said:
    the digimon and magic guys are evil and the pokemon and yugio are good, so assumedly everyone would have one of each unless theyre someone weird
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    Speaking of weird...I noticed that Ditto was in both N1 & N2 writeups. So that person may not have multiple roles?
  24. Tildey

    Mafia 6 - Heart of the Cards

    VoidKitten said:
    The Ur-Dragon let out an ear-splitting roar. From the mountains rose up dozens of whelps that flew to The Ur-Dragon’s side. The whelps were commanded to keep an eye on everyone today so that The Ur-Dragon could dole out some justice.
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    This is interesting. Looks some sort of mass action but clearly not a mass block since there are actions in the write up.

    VoidKitten said:
    Gabumon had a package and it was a very special delivery that would stick around. Gabumon left the package out in the open, hoping someone would find it.
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    VoidKitten said:
    Gatomon had been trying to catch a pesky mouse that would not leave him alone. He wouldn’t have stopped until he saw Claws walk by. Gatomon quickly followed behind him and slid a notebook into Claws pocket and grinned as he walked away.
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    Is anyone else familiar with this type of flavor and what it might mean for scum to plant something like this? I have a vague memory of seeing something similar in the game where Void gave us all alternate identities, but I can't remember what it turned out to be.
  25. Tildey

    Mafia 6 - Heart of the Cards

    3puppies said:
    I didn't feel great about Future voting for MTR either at the time.
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    Honestly, when they're playing too nice is when you need to check them both out. A D1 MTR vote from Future is pretty NAI. He gets a special joy from trolling his dad during early phase shitposting.
  26. Tildey

    Mafia 6 - Heart of the Cards

    Claws said:
    Why didnt i get killed then ? I talked to nightingale d1 i think exodia is just an inactivity vig looking for a bonus
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    While I agree that Exodia is clearly some sort of SK/Vig, I don’t think it’s an inactivity vig. Val met the suggested min post count for the phase & voted.
  27. Tildey

    Mafia 6 - Heart of the Cards

    llettuce said:
    You're better at this shit than me so glad I'm not alone
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    I'm normally better than this. But when I try to reply to something the order of posts seem to get all jumbled. Which is extra frustrating when I'm already overwhelmed and struggling to get caught up on what feels like 5 thousand posts.
  28. Tildey

    Mafia 6 - Heart of the Cards

    Tildey said:
    I "read" everything once and that's the best I'm going to get.
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    I don't know why I can't post like a normal person. And of course can't delete or edit anything. *sigh*

    @llettuce I was just trying to say, I feel you.
  29. Tildey

    Mafia 6 - Heart of the Cards

    Tildey said:
    I "read" everything once and
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  30. Tildey

    Mafia 6 - Heart of the Cards

    llettuce said:
    I reread everything and im still lost as before! Neat!
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    I "read" everything once and that's the best I'm going to get.
  31. Tildey

    Mafia 6 - Heart of the Cards

    CWE said:
    CWE doesn't base day 2 votes on info. It is a vote pulled 100% from my gut (liver).

    It's a vote I feels in my bones.

    :sherlock:
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    Maybe it feels familiar and cozy to your liver bone because caito isn't playing this game and cape is the closest name to his?
  32. Tildey

    Mafia 6 - Heart of the Cards

    PsychoSoldier said:
    Traditionally the extra vote would be obscured in some way. I have a suspicion that someone(if not Silver Queen) is able to attach an extra vote to different players on each day. Maybe Silver Queen does it by stealing someone else's vote. Though I don't know why the hell most scum teams would give me an extra vote. That's like handing me a loaded shotgun.
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    I agree with you here. While vote thief isn't an out of the norm scum action, it doesn't make sense for that stolen vote to show up so obviously in the counts for the thief (immediately outing them).
  33. Tildey

    Mafia 6 - Heart of the Cards

    WindwardAway said:
    Actually I just reread the OP and yeah color is alignment lol
    I was asking because I've played semi-bastard games where some scum had green names and some town were purple, despite the majority of scum being red and the majority of town being green 😅 it was purposely meant to mislead.
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    You will see that sometimes with the Rajah-style games too if there's a traitor role. The traitor will be color-coded to town until/unless they're revealed so you're not entirely off base there with the question.
  34. Tildey

    Mafia 6 - Heart of the Cards

    rock meets hard place said:
    if psycho is a double voter why does that make him scum?
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    bless you for pointing out the double vote. I was so confused as to what point was being made and my brain was just not processing. This does not bode well for how I'm going to do this game. *sigh*
  35. Tildey

    Mafia 6 - Heart of the Cards

    FutureHold said:
    the question is what happens when he gets all 4, is Exodia a game ending entity? I know in the show that if you summoned Exodia you automatically win the game
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    I'm also curious about the "bloodline of each type" line. Does that mean Exodia can get 4 random people and win or does he have to get 4 particular people?
  36. Tildey

    Mafia 6 - Heart of the Cards

    Sorry I was out of pocket over the weekend. I had some projects for work that couldn't wait. I'm trying to get caught up now. I know I shouldn't be surprised that there are 7 pages already, but oof. I skimmed the write up but need to do another round. And I'm trying to at least get the bones of my spreadsheet built for this game (hoping Void doesn't break it the way Jarrod did last game).
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