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VoidKitten said:

Once we realized Jarrod was the hider, we used the mass redirect + strongman to ensure jarrod would hide behind our kill target. We then moved everyone else thinking it would throw confusion into the game. We didn't realize targets would show for both.

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Nice. I also knew you were scum. I wish I pushed it harder.

Matthieu said:

Did...did you not see my clarification posts? I didn't tell any lies and I was working off of more than just the write-ups.

You're a smart player, so I'm surprised you missed it given how prominent it was in terms of this day's discussion so far and the fact that it's had multiple players comment on it.

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Yeah, not sure how I feel. You seemed very assured and then poof at Dreyski's word you're like awww forget it.

CRichardFoL said:

Dude you made a post that sucked ass. I'm disappointed in you.

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Ha I missed this. Believe me there will be more ass sucking posts in the future, just wait.

CRichardFoL said:

Not my fault you posted your red rolecard voting me.

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I mean, I don't think a vote on you is that peculiar. I almost voted you, if Matt hadn't been ousted telling lies about having info on Kryl I would have probably been looking right at you.

CRichardFoL said:

If you say so. Watch me hurl LDG into the sun tomorrow if GC flips red.

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At this point if you were scum I feel like they'd be telling you to lay low a bit more because you are attracting attention but you keep at it so who knows.

CRichardFoL said:

Oh btw, LDG was voting Void before voting me. I thought that if they voted Void, they shouldn't vote me because I'm town if Void isn't. Perspective slip go brrr.

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That's just how LDG plays. Hard to read them and always keeps you guessing.

CRichardFoL said:

Yes you're getting buried tomorrow, unless your mafia buddies kill me tonight.

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No way you die tonight. You're either scum or scum keeps you around because people have doubts on your township.

CRichardFoL said:

Did you not see Night playing politician with Rock and me? It's a common scum tactic to chain town executions back to back, and not be held accountable.

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Maybe I'm not political enough to see the politicking. I'm not sure what to make of your extreme prejudice- frustrated town or scum going down in a blaze of glory. I can't remember playing with you before so not sure if this is just business as usual for you.

CRichardFoL said:

If your name isn't Nightingale, tell me why this isn't a scum claim.

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It's not a scum claim because you've acted pretty scummy and Night suspects you like some others suspect you.

Nightingale said:

Okay, I hate this. We had this conversation yesterday- there was only one action on kryllian to even interpret in the write up and you seemed to be the only person thinking it was an attack instead of a roleblock -- so when you stayed adamant about it I thought you were trying to subtly say you knew it was an attack. Now you're saying you interpreted it wrong which means you *didn't* actually have info and were just trying to get Kryllian yeeted because.... you thought you read it better than the rest of us??
Vote: Matthieu

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Exactly, like I said what was the point.

Vote: Matthieu

Still not a fan of Richard but literally Night said multiple times Kryl looked good that night from being probably blocked.

Matt said he had information.

Now Matt says misinterpreted the write up.



So saying you had information was a complete fabrication.

Before the unvote Matt, Richard and I were left on Kryl. I could see Rich being scum trying to get numbers going, already think he's up to no good.

rock meets hard place said:

but why would I assume nights vote is a reaction test as opposed to night voting there b/c there's info being claimed on the slot?

matt and Jarrod are certainly voting there since they think krylian is scum.

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I was following information. Matt has since unvoted saying he'd respect Dreyski saying we should go another way or whatever.

Which is bullshit. If you have info and you out for everyone then why unvote. You rally the troops or why else out the information?

Unvote: Kryllian

PsychoSoldier said:

Oh, right, I wanted to put a vote down

Vote: Grumpy

Still want to push this. I think with his vote on Robo, my earlier feelings, Xan dying, and there being so much resistance despite some of the more prominent voices pushing him, it just looks like scum being pushed out of the running for wagons.

What's up with he votes on Kryllian by the way? I feel like he was roleblocked on N1 which narrows down his odds of being scum.

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Matt claimed he had info I believe.

VoidKitten said:

It is Day 3 sir. Day 3 all rules are off.

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For sure but its just something to remember.

Vote: Kryilian

If he does come up scum I'd like to remind people Void flat out said he wouldn't vote him because he hasn't played in a bit. Night kept saying how he was clear.

Yeah I wasn't a fan of Richard's original reaction, seemed overly defensive, and then ignoring another point earlier.

CRichardFoL said:

I was pushing on Robo for quite some time before EoD2. If I was scum, I'd probably stay off wagon entirely for cred.

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I've seen scum do back and forths for no reason other than to confuse town. You pushing Robo then ditching that train of thought at the last minute is another thing that feels scummy to me. It's like hey let's get him and you start the narrative that way but then slip out of sight while everyone is piling on.

I'm sorta with Void on the whole Richard thing. It struck me as odd to try and start a new train at that moment. It felt like scum just trying to be seen but not wanting to be on Robo train knowing Robo wasn't scum.

D1
Mtr(1) - crich
Xan (2)- Kryll, cwe
listo(1) - robo
psych (1)- badger
matt (1) -dreyski
vk (2) -bn, claws
rock (1)-llettuce
badger(1)- jarrod
future (9)- vk, Jay,gc, val, night, psych
jarrod (1) - rock
kryll (1)- Listo
sleep (3) - mtr, future, matt

D2
Grumpy (1) -psych
Vk (5) - Jarrod, bn, rock, listo, val
Mtr (2) - vk, crich
Robo (9) - claws, llettuce, matt, grump, mtr, xan, night, drey, kryll
Xan (1) - LDG

That Robo train has some scum on it.

If VK is town then thinking at least one on the Void train is scum too, to not give away their whole team.

If Void is scum then they'd have poured on the votes at the endmake be sure Robo would go through. It was sorta close at one point at the end.

I'd start at the back end of the votes for at least one scum.

Curious what others think.

Shit, turned the page and saw hammer. Apologies.

CRichardFoL said:

Unvote:
Vote: MTR
Lets get other counter trains going.

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Wait til EoD to try and get a train going on someone. This feels scummy as hell to me.

Matthieu said:

Why Robo and not Xanjori, though?

I pointed out back on D1 that Xanjori hadn't shown up yet and although they're both quiet Robo has 3 posts and Xanjori has 1. Jarrod was given a free pass on D1 for not showing up as well, I believe?


Vote: Xanjori

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I wouldn't call it a free pass so much. Maybe more like a golden ticket. I was present either way. I view it more as quality over quantity pal.

Nightingale said:

Who all are usually the ND1L4L crowd? Who usually always votes sleep but didn't?

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I usually go that route but kept my vote on Badger. I like that itchy sonofagun.

I'd really like to hear from Future just to see what they think but expect radio silence.

They could have gone no lynch but the more brazen play would be to put yourself on there and claim later you couldn't be scum because you voted Future D1. That wouldn't completely obsolve the player but is a nice footnote to add to a town resume. Maybe a lesser player couldn't spin that so well but looking at the strong players on that Future train it could definitely help fill in a narrative a scum Psycho for example could spin. I don't recall GC play so much but VK, Night, Val or Psycho could do well with that misdirection.

CRichardFoL said:

I'm trying to figure out if Jarrod making sense is because they're figuring things out as town, or if they're mafia with TMI on what happened N1 events surrounding Future.

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Fair question but no. I am town. I'm so quiet as scum, I've never been accused of being scum with TMI posting.

CRichardFoL said:

Assuming Future was bussed, it would have been closer/near EoD so from the voter order. I'd trust the early Future voters as town more than the late voters on the Future train.

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Literally Mazer posted vote Count at 2:39 before time is up.

Psycho unvotes Grumpy and vote Future at 2:41.

Mazer calls time at 2:41 the post after.

Psycho can jump around with his vote but for some reason I don't like this last second jump.

I will say Void being on Future before the 4 votes makes me wary. If they are both red it could have been harmless scum on scum vote coverage at first but after the votes it would make jumping off seem weird on Void's part when Future pops red. Also knowing Future is cooked Void's smart enough to stay on that train knowing he can point out he voted Future before the votes and he'd have that street cred.

rock meets hard place said:

I'm not saying that it has to be. Just that the flavor could be interpreted as not mafia. Ultimately it doesn't really matter though. You could just argue Occams and say it was scum but I don't see how it helps them that much either.

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It has us chasing our tails, possibly getting town to finger each other and ultimately makes us eliminate Future again. It could be a hoax like Night said, Future could be a scum stump that won't be eliminated if we vote there. Either way a whole day phase vote down the tubes. The day vote is our most powerful asset. Wasting it helps scum.

rock meets hard place said:

going with my 3rd party theory, resurrecting scum (assuming that scum is lynched) guarantees safety and doesn't really advance the game state.

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It's a long way to go and they've painted themselves as a scum helper. It just doesn't make sense.

Claws said:

How does resing scum help a 3p tho specially early on i could maybe see that late game as a survival tactic

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Exactly. Better said than I did.

rock meets hard place said:

Since you clearly didn't read my other post...the way its written makes me think the revive came from 3rd party. Maybe its just mafia the wrote it that way to throw us off or the mod himself is trying to throw us for a loop. You might be right that Void is scum and was distancing from Future but the revive might not be from him.

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Yes I understood that the revive could be 3rd party. I never ruled that out.

I love the you don't read comments, yes I read it but was still asking questions about a possible other scenario. Thanks for assuming.

I also never said it was Void, I said it could have been red. They are a team and if Void is red he would be directing traffic and would specifically ask the mod if it would show red doing the rez or it would be covered.

If it is a 3rd party, then they don't seem town friendly and need to go asap. I would think the 3rd party would fence ride a little more rather than resurrecting a scum on D2. They've dug a hole that will get them eliminated when they are figured out. That is why I question 3rd party or scum.

VoidKitten said:

Why even put that in a game? There are so many other ways to waste a day than giving scum a rez that will only be used to rez a teammate. Granted, I don't think we have ever seen rezzes after flips before so its new territory.

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There are but why not? Why resurrect the scum? To watch town go through the process again. The whole thing seems designed to fuck with town (Mazerrrrr!). At most town chases their tails with different theories. The least we waste D2 voting Future again.

rock meets hard place said:

its not really impossible that Void votes his buddy to distance but I don't think mafia revived mafia. The "town" thing to do is vote Future so Void would still have to.

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Why wouldn't mafia revive mafia? Would mafia rather revive town? It could have been a scum action designed to waste a day phase for town having to eliminate a known scum again.

The fact that the person responsible for the resurrection is hidden doesn't strike me as town friendly.

Nightingale said:

Sorry, you did mention his name, but like me it was just to note we were there

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I mostly concentrated on Void because of how he played Vince and just seemed that surrounding actions were mostly feeding my thought on Void.

Just because I went more in depth on Void doesn't mean I think it's him. I do believe one scum is on the Future vote. I just had pings on him.

That vote on the end by Psycho is peculiar like I mentioned.

You, Val and GC have that sweet spot right in the middle of the train but that's all I have to go on there so didn't bother going out of my way to type it because I'm cooking Mav dinner but since you asked I'll kindly type it out for you.

You might not be Void. I didn't really expect a "Oh you got me" reply. Just things bouncing around my brain and thought I'd share.

Also meant to say Void is already leading the charge on the Future vote again. He'd definitely want to control the narrative and guide town that way.

Mtr(1) - crich
Xan (2)- Kryll, cwe
listo(1) - robo
psych (1)- badger
matt (1) -dreyski
vk (2) -bn, claws
rock (1)-llettuce
badger(1)- jarrod
future (9)- vk, Jay,gc, val, night, psych
jarrod (1) - rock
kryll (1)- Listo
sleep (3) - mtr, future, matt

D1 voting. Now that we know Future is scum, what scum was hiding on this train, trying to plant seeds of their innocence for their Future (ha jokes)? Void, Grumpy, Val, Nightingale and Psycho, I'm betting one is scum.

What game has had Void, Psycho and Nightingale all fighting for the good guys? Gut says one is red. Void had a vote on Future before the influx of votes from Jay. Shit hits the fan with votes and maybe Void doesn't want to jump off knowing Future will pop red. Psycho votes right at the end when it was pretty unnecessary.

Day phase opens and Void is right there to greet, with general fun comments. Is he our friend? Definite Vince McMahon vibes here from how he played lead red in my last game.

Taking that further, Void would have days planned in advance, multiple "what if" time lines depending on what happens. My point is the Future resurrection could be a Void plan for us to mildly rush this day phase, voting Future again. Town treads water while red kills again at night. The write up said a powerful force thats so far unseen brought Future back, could just be another red hidden.

I could be wrong but I might be right.

Vote: VoidKitten

The N1 write up is always hectic.

PsychoSoldier said:

I think she's referring to the fact that Rip, one of the most vocal against the new site, didn't even play despite signing up when Jarrod almost immediately hosted a game on Rajah. So what's even the point?

This isn't me saying don't run any games on Rajah, but it shows that the complaints aren't backed by any real conviction and is a shame it has to be that petty.

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I think Rip had a family matter that took him out of playing. Not sure if he'd play one now but at the time he had more important things to tend to.

I think there's room for both, I'll always love Rajah but am looking forward to hosting one here for people who haven't played a game of mine yet.

PsychoSoldier said:

Why Jarrod?

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He said I wasn't contributing enough.

Badger said:

That’s what makes our relationship so beautiful.

I miss him dearly. Hope he plays on here but think he’s on the Rip mentality that this site is pinching Mafia and activity from Rajah.

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Yeah I think there's room to do games on both. Rajah does seem to be busiest when mafia is running though. I do like running on Rajah just because I'm old and don't like change. However, I like the gifs here being readily available to harass you with Badger. So it's a give and take between sites.

Badger said:

I don’t deny Randolph’s contribution, wouldn’t have been possible. I engineered the strategy though when revived with the Terminator, fake voting Randolph at EOD and killing Mikey. Also redirecting JP’s bomb and killing the whole Kong family.

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Just putting Randolph over with you. Guy seems to be the opposite of you, he lasts but then gets robbed at the end.

The bomb was pretty clutch. That was a fun game to write.

rock meets hard place said:

ngl, I think that winning Rajah games has more to do with a stacked town and an info laden write up than it has to do with no lynching d1 but no lynching d1 in a rolemadness is a fair strat I suppose

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Write ups are fun.

Mazer said:

Only votes that use the vote function will be captured.

I may be evil, but I'm lawful evil

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I forgot that button exists.

Vote: Badger

Happy birthday pal.

rock meets hard place said:

he has 2 posts and zero contributions to the thread.

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I think most know I feel D1 is useless on D1. Otherwise it's just a bunch of peacocks showing their feathers. It grows importance as the game goes on. This is my third post this D1 and that's about 2 more than you'd usually get.

Badger said:

He disrespects Leonardo and actually set me up with the character as a joke not realising I’d actually win and break his game. The Jarrod vote is fine. :)

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I'd say you had help from Randolph becoming a Terminator.

The vote is like as a sign of respect to Badger. I used to go No Lynch every D1 but I think the D1 Badger vote is my new thing. He needs to be watched until proven otherwise or he'll sneak to the end of the game and win. He's done it at least 3 times that I recall right off the top of my head (Videoland 2, Letterkenny, He-Man 2).

CWE said:

What's wrong with Leonardo? I mean, sure...he's no Raphael. But he isn't wielding a fucking broomstick either.

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That was the whole argument was where is Leo's placement? Raph is first, no argument. Where's the rest fall? I put that brown noser Leo in the back, even behind the guy with the broomstick. Who was bad ass in the original movie. Guy wasn't this skinny nerd he morphed into, he was fixing old trucks with Casey Jones and busting balls. Miles ahead of Leo.

Badger said:

Not surprised in the slightest. One of these days you’ll be right and might even shake your hand at the Rumble.

The quadruple clothesline by MJayF is certainly a lot interesting though.

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I vote because I care Badger.

Vote Badger.

I like that Matthieu is modest enough to give himself the wang in his list.