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  1. PsychoSoldier

    Mafia 7: Everyone Loves Listo. Except the Devil.

    Without seeing all the powers outright, I can see how some felt that town was a bit underpowered here. Which would make sense considering Mazer is usually trying to make up for the townsided nature of the Rajah-style. I definitely expected more town kills to pop-off. But I know Badger's role scared the shit out of me, which is why I was happy we could anticlaim. It felt like more than anything we got lucky with a lot of our choices and the timing of most investigations headed our way. And I can see being mad or annoyed that we couldn't do what we did without taking a gamble on the survivor siding with us. But that was also a last ditch thing we basically had to do in order to avoid the house of cards, because that was the beginning of having almost having a whole town confirmed through night actions.

    Balance is never gonna be perfect, and I do think we had a lot of good tools at our disposal that we used about as good as possible. It's always good to keep finding that right balance no matter what we do.
  2. PsychoSoldier

    Mafia 7: Everyone Loves Listo. Except the Devil.

    To be fair, one of those was a hider mechanic and the other was a 1x kill.
  3. PsychoSoldier

    Mafia 7: Everyone Loves Listo. Except the Devil.

    CWE said:
    Night 1 I doc'ed Psycho (as I always do as doc). And died (as I usually do as doc).
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    Thanks boo 😘
  4. PsychoSoldier

    Mafia 7: Everyone Loves Listo. Except the Devil.

    GrumpyCat said:
    There was supposed to be one mafia. Did I get it wrong?
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    The Law doesn't say it can only be one scum. Just that the first wagon that gets to 3 votes is guaranteed to have 1 scum in the mix. In most cases it's exactly 1, but it's not a requirement of the law.
  5. PsychoSoldier

    Mafia 7: Everyone Loves Listo. Except the Devil.

    GrumpyCat said:
    You disproved Abbi's law. You helped science.
    Thx for a game.
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    This proved Abbi's Law actually
  6. PsychoSoldier

    Mafia 7: Everyone Loves Listo. Except the Devil.

    Also, everyone make sure that you wish Jarrod a Happy Birthday!
  7. PsychoSoldier

    Mafia 7: Everyone Loves Listo. Except the Devil.

    It's also worth considering we started on the back foot losing Future so soon. The vote block from Badger fucked with out trajectory because we were purposely cannibalizing a bit for distancing, and then when Future got a block of votes, it was hard to pivot too strongly. I was trying to push Grumpy, but I had already said I didn't like Future so far and would have stood out like a sore thumb if I tried to push sleep of all things instead of just accepting Future and trying to avoid the hammer penalty. And others were in a similar position. It should have fallen apart sooner than it almost did.
  8. PsychoSoldier

    Mafia 7: Everyone Loves Listo. Except the Devil.

    Listo95 said:
    I had True Cop/Watch. More accurate results.
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    I figured it might be something like that. Of course it was.

    You played excellent Listo. Great star performance for your star game.
  9. PsychoSoldier

    Mafia 7: Everyone Loves Listo. Except the Devil.

    That was really close. Props to the team for holding out as long as we did so we could try to stall the votes. I tried to be fancy with it, but it clearly wasn't happening lol.

    Great job to town, too. You basically had us all cornered by the time you found me and if our gambit didn't pay off, we would have been fucked. A lot of people who were catching on to the right people at the wrong time.

    Also, thanks to Foxxi for playing along with us.

    And great game by Mazer. A lot of cool roles and fun flavor as usual. One of the masters at game crafting.

    As for Matthieu's claim that this was against the spirit of the game, I strongly disagree. Scum needs to win, and they do so by gaining a vote advantage. And when you have it, you take it and go for the win. As Morrison would say, you play to win as long as it's within the rules, which this was.

    Though I'm curious how I was caught considering I was supposed to show up as town through investigation.

    Also CRich, you played great and I was happy to play with you. I hope you come back for more
  10. PsychoSoldier

    Mafia 7: Everyone Loves Listo. Except the Devil.

    Vote: CRichard
  11. PsychoSoldier

    Mafia 7: Everyone Loves Listo. Except the Devil.

    Listo95 said:
    Well no but Listo still wants majority to be reached.
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    You seem stressed
  12. PsychoSoldier

    Mafia 7: Everyone Loves Listo. Except the Devil.

    Unvote:
  13. PsychoSoldier

    Mafia 7: Everyone Loves Listo. Except the Devil.

    JLaw needs to shoot her top town read outside of Listo today. If it is not possible, they need to be shot tonight otherwise JLaw won't make it to endgame. The numbers are in her favor.
  14. PsychoSoldier

    Mafia 7: Everyone Loves Listo. Except the Devil.

    Eh, I'm at work, so my posting/catch-up is gonna be intermittent again, and I managed to get most of the way through pg. 17

    Vote: Nightingale

    Something just not feeling right here. Even if you guys end up hammering me, I think you all need to take a serious look at her. I can't get over the trio of her/rock/CRichard and how it reads as either two town catching on to scum Night or one of CR/rock latching into the others read to push town!Night. I'm leaning rock and CRichard as most likely town. So I'm happy to push this until further notice
  15. PsychoSoldier

    Mafia 7: Everyone Loves Listo. Except the Devil.

    Matthieu said:
    One thing I always do in these games is look at the 'big hitters'. By that, I mean the likes of Mazer, Psycho, Void and Night. It's a double edged sword of mine but I like bouncing off of such players to help solidify my opinions on what's going on.

    Obviously Mazer is out of the equation during this game on account of running the game.

    Of the three remaining, I feel pretty good about Night. Our exchange felt natural and due to my misunderstanding and stubborn doubling down regarding Kryllian, Night had every reason to take that final push to send me over the edge with a misyeet. She had every reason to and it could have been passed off as a plausible mistake. Yet she didn't do that - she took the time to figure things out.

    So I'm throwing my full support behind Night.

    That leaves Void and Psycho. Of the two, I'm most suspicious of Psycho - I'm used to Psycho being bold and 'taking charge'. He hasn't really done that during this game. He's been fairly quiet, only really commenting in passing and not being as vocal as I'd expect him to be.

    So I'm fine with putting my vote there for today:

    Vote: Psycho
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    I just want to say a big part of why I haven't been as active here has just been a busy week. That and the game being more active than normal made it harder to get into the game after d1.

    I'm more of the mind that Void and Night could be the team. I feel like the two have danced around each other but have never actually pushed at each other. And that doesn't sit right for me.
  16. PsychoSoldier

    Mafia 7: Everyone Loves Listo. Except the Devil.

    CRichardFoL said:
    Y'all can say LDG is LHF till the cows come home, yet I'd like to know what have they done that makes them town this game.
    I frankly don't get why they'd vote their suspect (Voidkitten), then vote alongside them on my side the previous day.
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    Eh, the more I look at the numbers the more I'm doubting on LDG.

    I definitely think you're the townier of the two.
  17. PsychoSoldier

    Mafia 7: Everyone Loves Listo. Except the Devil.

    Nightingale said:
    I unvoted after LDG voted so we wouldn't hit premature hammer again.
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    Hmm. I'll think on it
  18. PsychoSoldier

    Mafia 7: Everyone Loves Listo. Except the Devil.

    rock meets hard place said:
    its day 4. Don't you think "poe" is a bit of a cop out at this point?
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    Agree with this tbh
  19. PsychoSoldier

    Mafia 7: Everyone Loves Listo. Except the Devil.

    Nightingale said:
    Except if you, richard, and LDG are all town, why hasn't the scum team ended you yet? You have four votes (one of which is listo who you also say you think is town) and we had 6 scum actions last night. With 6 scum and only 7 town why wouldn't the scum team join the supposed three town voting you for the misyeet?
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    I don't know who all is voting me right now but if I had to guess, it's because they're worried about whatever night actions could stop them from guaranteeing a victory and not getting outed.

    There's also you on my wagon already unless you moved
  20. PsychoSoldier

    Mafia 7: Everyone Loves Listo. Except the Devil.

    Nightingale said:
    Vote: Psycho
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    I struggle to see town Night just voting me like this so quick. I also actually agree with Claws and don't really like how she dropped the CR push after Grumpy flipped.
  21. PsychoSoldier

    Mafia 7: Everyone Loves Listo. Except the Devil.

    VoidKitten said:
    Vote: CRichard

    Round 2.
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    I don't think this is the right way. Why here again and not someone else like llettuce?
  22. PsychoSoldier

    Mafia 7: Everyone Loves Listo. Except the Devil.

    rock meets hard place said:
    future (9)- vk, Jay,gc, val, night, psych

    I expect/wouldn't be suprised if there is scum in Val, night or psych. Scum knew Future was going down so those 3 clawing thier way onto the wagon for the sweet sweet town cred makes sense to me. + they are all just scummy in thier own right.

    looking at the 2 mislynch wagons

    Robo (9) - claws, llettuce, matt, grump, mtr, xan, night, drey, kryll
    Grump (9) - psych, claws, dreyski, night, matt, lletty, mtr, LDG, vk

    lettuce, night, mtr and claws are the unconfirmed that were on both wagons. In my heart of hearts, I think both claws and MTR are town leaving night and lettuce.
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    I'm having doubts on Claws again with how held back he's been since the first 2 phases tbh, but I agree on llettuce and night.
  23. PsychoSoldier

    Mafia 7: Everyone Loves Listo. Except the Devil.

    VoidKitten said:
    Of that list? Psycho for being alive without being targeted much and Lettuce for not really seeming that invested. Lettuce typically is more comfortable as town and typically would attempt solve more than she is. LDG will go either way. She typically ends up randing town moreso than scum. Doesn't actually mean anything, but she hasn't felt much different this game. NG I have an inkling on who she is.
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    Do you have anything more than "Psycho for being alive"? I know I'm running on a similar wavelength but it feels like you had more to say for llettuce and LDG here.

    That said, I do kinda agree on llettuce.
  24. PsychoSoldier

    Mafia 7: Everyone Loves Listo. Except the Devil.

    CRichardFoL said:
    And you voted the one person who has nothing to lose. That's your 1st and only mistake you'll make this game LDG.
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    Kinda feeling like this string of posts from CRichard is just confirming them as town for me. It's very self-important in a towny way.

    Honestly feel it's T/T with LDG for the same reason
  25. PsychoSoldier

    Mafia 7: Everyone Loves Listo. Except the Devil.

    Nightingale said:
    @PsychoSoldier - I am interested in hearing your legacy reads, what your PoE looks like, and what you think the game composition is.
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    I'm still trying to properly catch up(it's been a busy week for me and I'm still getting through pg. 16), and the grumpy flip kinda threw me for a loop so I'm not 100% sure where my head's at. Biggest thing I have is I feel like one of you or void is scum or someone in the trio of you/rock/CRichard is scum. Which is why I'm trying to pay particular attention to your posts. You being alive this long has me paranoid that you're scum and paired with Void, because if he was scum while you're town, you would have been dead by now or you would have went for Void's head.

    It's also not lost on me that in general the loudest voices haven't been touched at night, which further makes me paranoid of the typically townread people or those pushing the thread, which is why I'm focused on this pool.

    Obviously there are some less impactful scum left. Claws has seemed to drop down in post volume and that seems uncharacteristic. LDG is rand as usual, but not really concerned with her, especially with how abrasively she's reacted to votes and comments about her. Val seems fine. Kinda feel meh on llettuce since she dropped an unexplained list and seemingly didn't post much else. MTR seemed fine, but his absence doesn't really help us find out and hopefully we'll get more from him in the next couple phases to read off him better.

    Listo, Dreyski, rock, Matthieu, if the writeup can be trusted, should have 3/4 confirmed town and one maybe scum unless it was a coincidence that scum targeted BN for the kill. It's also possible it was intended as a smokescreen, but the numbers match up. Dreyski should be obvious based on his posts last phase, and Listo might just actually be Listo but if so I think he has some faulty info on me. Tbh though I'm not sure this is the first pool to look at since they could all be town with one of them just not acting.

    Oh, and I think the general situation around Kryllian's slot with Matthieu and Dreyski just spews him town.

    I'm still working on finishing my catch up so I can feel better about these reads as I'm missing some context, and maybe figure out who in the low poster pile I feel better about.
  26. PsychoSoldier

    Mafia 7: Everyone Loves Listo. Except the Devil.

    llettuce said:
    Not sure that grumpy is my first yeet, but I'm not compelled (in a town way) by any of their postings, and since I will be likely gone after this until after yeet given my schedule and this seems to be our lean I am going to go ahead and
    Vote: Grumpy Cat

    Town Lean
    llettuce
    Jarrod1983
    Dreyski
    Matthieu

    Scum Lean
    Clawsin
    CRichardFoL
    GrumpyCat
    rock meets hard place

    No Vibes
    MTR
    Listo
    Kryllian
    LemonDemonGirl

    I always have such trouble reading Foxxi, Psycho, and Void so I'm gonna wait a little longer before placing them.
    And I think I wanna do ISO's before deciding on BN and val
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    Can you talk about how you came to these reads?
  27. PsychoSoldier

    Mafia 7: Everyone Loves Listo. Except the Devil.

    I'm gonna be spending time with my partner today so my catch up is gonna be intermittent. All I ask is that we don't hammer early so I can catch up and at least leave a legacy in case you guys decide to vote me out.
  28. PsychoSoldier

    Mafia 7: Everyone Loves Listo. Except the Devil.

    Listo95 said:
    Listo says silence scum.
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    You're barking up the wrong tree.
  29. PsychoSoldier

    Mafia 7: Everyone Loves Listo. Except the Devil.

    Don't really like the way Matthieu backed down from his info nor do I like how quick he flipped to voting Grumpy. Feels like he thought he had an advantageous spot to fake info until Dreyski shut him down, and I don't expect him to just jump right over to grumpy afterward.

    Only thing that makes me wonder is if scum would try to redirect their own at Blind. I guess it could be seen as some kind of good cover in a pool of 5 if they intended to kill Blind anyway, but it does make me hesitant there.
  30. PsychoSoldier

    Mafia 7: Everyone Loves Listo. Except the Devil.

    Nightingale said:
    That's my point though? What does he have to gain from doing that as scum? I mean, I've seen Matthieu do some crazy shit - but usually when he is under more pressure than that. So to me it seems more likely he's town and just... confused?
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    Going over the incidents surround Matthieu and Dreyski and Nightingale feels pretty waffly
  31. PsychoSoldier

    Mafia 7: Everyone Loves Listo. Except the Devil.

    What are the odds Void and Nightingale both rolled scum?
  32. PsychoSoldier

    Mafia 7: Everyone Loves Listo. Except the Devil.

    Matthieu said:
    Vote: Kryllian
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    Nightingale said:
    Unvote: Grumpy
    Vote: Kryllian
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    VoidKitten said:
    Vote: Kryllian

    If there is info, there is info.
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    Jarrod1983 said:
    Vote: Kryilian

    If he does come up scum I'd like to remind people Void flat out said he wouldn't vote him because he hasn't played in a bit. Night kept saying how he was clear.
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    rock meets hard place said:
    Vote: Kryllian
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    rock meets hard place said:
    Unvote: Kryll

    I'll be back later if thats where we end up going but we should use more of our deadline
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    CRichardFoL said:
    Unvote:
    Vote: Kryllian
    PoE slot, and if there is incriminating mech on them then bringing them to LyLo isn't a good idea.
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    These were all the votes on Kryllian after Matthieu claimed info on the slot. I included rock's unvote because it came before Dreyski came in and vouched for Kryll. Town are likely to get caught in the crossfire, as evidenced by Jarrod, but scum are also likely to want what looks like an easy vote out. I also think with bpv being the crux of Matthieu's info, scum could have thought Kryll was 3p. There's also the fringe world where Kryll is actually scum and I'm not sure whether scum would be quick or to bus or if that would clear everyone on the wagon, but I really doubt Kryll is scum.

    Honestly, none of these votes look great but I kinda like rock unvoting to avoid hammer. Remembering that CRichard'a tiptoeing around the Kryll slot before voting when called out was kind of weird.
  33. PsychoSoldier

    Mafia 7: Everyone Loves Listo. Except the Devil.

    Sorry for the absence, was hosting a potluck last night so didn't have time to check the thread. Will slowly catch up through the day and hop on.

    Scanning the writeup and looking at votes, my first thought is to look at Void and Nightingale, based on Grumpy's flip, the wagons that have built in counter, and the fact that they're still alive. Me being alive as well makes me think they may purposely be keeping me alive since I've been busy this game and it gives them more buffer cover when people wonder why they haven't died.

    I also struggle to see the dynamic between Night, rock, and CRichard as all town. The way they were were going at each other(mostly the latter two going at Night) seems like someone was there trying to shade the other. I think I like CRichard the most out of them because overall I feel he's been trying to figure out this mass of people he's never played with without ever shrinking to the background which I think might be more natural for someone new to the forum and randing scum for the first time in the environment. rock isn't far off from normal meta, though his arguments in comparison have felt more pedantic, which is a style that's easier to replicate as scum. Whereas Nightingale has talked fine, but has seemed to be pushing in the wrong directions.

    Will have more thoughts later
  34. PsychoSoldier

    Mafia 7: Everyone Loves Listo. Except the Devil.

    Ok, I got to page 14, but my brain is mushing out. I'll try to be back before I fall asleep but no promises
  35. PsychoSoldier

    Mafia 7: Everyone Loves Listo. Except the Devil.

    Dreyski said:
    Why? Becuase you have a BPV?

    I have it on very good authority your read is wrong.
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    Dreyski probably town and as expected, Matthieu's "info" is bunk
  36. PsychoSoldier

    Mafia 7: Everyone Loves Listo. Except the Devil.

    Kryllian said:
    I've been following on my phone at work today. I have a little time before game night begins tonight so I'll add what I can.

    As far as Matt assumption i was the target of a town kill and got off with a BPV, my role card does not tell me I have a BPV so either it was gifted to me, without notice, or there's more at play than the action summaries are stating. The person I used my night action on is not the one listed in the summary. Neither my target, nor the one it says I targeted were noted in other actions from what I can tell. So someone is messing with something.

    I suspect there are day actions in play that aren't being explicitly revealed by the mod. We know some people have day actions from the mod announcements but others may be triggered by posting a key word, or phrase. I've noted at least one post that might explain my supposed BPV but haven't had a chance to compare with the day 2 activity to see if that might have affected someone last night.
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    I can't help but feel the perspective pushed in this post is town considering how explicit it is with certain wording. I guess the bpv argument could be seen as kinda iffy but eh.
  37. PsychoSoldier

    Mafia 7: Everyone Loves Listo. Except the Devil.

    CRichardFoL said:
    I figured the mech on Kryll wasn't a greencheck, and they were also in my PoE before the whole situation went down.
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    Did you think the mech before that was a green check? Because my point was that if you were aware of the mech when you voted Grumpy that I would think you would have weighed in on Kryll in some capacity before being questioned about it.
  38. PsychoSoldier

    Mafia 7: Everyone Loves Listo. Except the Devil.

    CRichardFoL said:
    Ngl, I prefer being able to claim night actions in thread. I'm new to having to rely on host communication to figure out the night actions.
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    It's something that I think is mostly unique to Rajah and now FoS. It's how I learned to play mafia, but it's definitely an acquired taste. Not all games are played that way, though, just depends onto he gamerunner.

    I've been actively trying to make a hybrid style that allows for night action writeups as well as some form of claiming, but it's hard to sort out
  39. PsychoSoldier

    Mafia 7: Everyone Loves Listo. Except the Devil.

    I'm getting whiplash reading this thread lol
  40. PsychoSoldier

    Mafia 7: Everyone Loves Listo. Except the Devil.

    CRichardFoL said:
    Unvote:
    Vote: Kryllian
    PoE slot, and if there is incriminating mech on them then bringing them to LyLo isn't a good idea.
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    Actually what made you switch so quickly here? You say you saw the mech already, so why wasn't this weighed against your feelings for Grumpy?
  41. PsychoSoldier

    Mafia 7: Everyone Loves Listo. Except the Devil.

    rock meets hard place said:
    lowkey hate Richard avoiding the kryll situation
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    How do you feel about Val considering the timing of his vote on Void?
  42. PsychoSoldier

    Mafia 7: Everyone Loves Listo. Except the Devil.

    Maybe less so if Kryll is scum, but I'm not sure I buy what Matthieu is selling from how much I've read. I feel if Kryll popped a bpv instead of being roleblocked, him surviving an attack would be made more obvious.
  43. PsychoSoldier

    Mafia 7: Everyone Loves Listo. Except the Devil.

    CRichardFoL said:
    I should add that GC saying they're cleared after the Future flip feels that they want to rely on the cred of voting Future, than solve. That gave me a bad feeling at the time, which is exacerbated from helping to flip the Robo train as town.
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    CRichardFoL said:
    Vote: GrumpyCat
    I'm fine with this.
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    To be honest I'm a bit pocketed by this, especially if I'm right about Grumpy
  44. PsychoSoldier

    Mafia 7: Everyone Loves Listo. Except the Devil.

    PsychoSoldier said:
    This is actually a decent catch and seems like a decent look for Blind
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    On this note, I do kinda feel the fluidity from Richard is maybe too spontaneous there to be scummy. Like he literally just said void seems fine and then says this and I think most scum who declared a read will float that a little longer
  45. PsychoSoldier

    Mafia 7: Everyone Loves Listo. Except the Devil.

    rock meets hard place said:
    there are AT LEAST 5 mafia and only 1 known 3p. So the correct assumption is that Kyrlian is mafia but maybe it is 3rd party and you just know he's not on your team.
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    Feels a bit like caught for the wrong reasons and deflection
  46. PsychoSoldier

    Mafia 7: Everyone Loves Listo. Except the Devil.

    Blind Ninja said:
    So which is it... void is fine and their train is lazy OR you want to look at vk?
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    This is actually a decent catch and seems like a decent look for Blind
  47. PsychoSoldier

    Mafia 7: Everyone Loves Listo. Except the Devil.

    Listo95 said:
    L-3 BTW.

    Vote: Void

    To have a vote on record in case day ends while Listo is asleep or early at work.

    Once Listo went to a hospital and paid off all the bills of everyone currently there.
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    Does Listo have any actual sus on Void? Because if not, I don't see why you'd put a placeholder vote on what seems to be the second highest wagon.
  48. PsychoSoldier

    Mafia 7: Everyone Loves Listo. Except the Devil.

    Finishing pg. 12 and I don't feel any better about Grumpy. If Kryllian is scum the defense isn't great. I also just don't get where his sus of Matthieu is coming from. Like I don't feel great about Matthieu's supposed info on Kryll unless he's exactly Iron Bill and have gotten iffy vibes from him as is, but Grumpy literally just started putting him in his POE randomly and refuses to explain. I also think the way he was talking about Val in 1188 and 1190 comes off a bit like flinging shade wherever he can get away with it.

    Val popping up to vote Void and have no take on Kryllian and Matthieu is weird but probably not AI for him.

    Still liking Jarrod.
  49. PsychoSoldier

    Mafia 7: Everyone Loves Listo. Except the Devil.

    Val the Moofia Boss said:
    Kinda interested to see where this goes.

    Vote: Voidkitten
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    Do you have actual sus here or just voting for the sake of it?
  50. PsychoSoldier

    Mafia 7: Everyone Loves Listo. Except the Devil.

    @GrumpyCat Do you actually have a reason for suspecting Matthieu? It seems the "vote me and Matthieu or Nightingale" thing came out of nowhere with no build up. And then later you vote Matthieu seemingly in retaliation to the Kryll info? Why did you want Matthieu in the first place?
  51. PsychoSoldier

    Mafia 7: Everyone Loves Listo. Except the Devil.

    GrumpyCat said:
    I read the game, get ideas put them together and get a picture out of it.

    No point to talk about what i feel atm.

    Do you want to switch to Matthieu? His is sus dont you think? I agree.
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    GrumpyCat said:
    Vote me and Matthieu or Nightingale. This will persis as a distraction the are no dees ;<
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    I don't like Grumpy pushing for these thunderdome scenarios while actively avoiding giving thoughts. Seems like trying to look towny without actually doing anything to help town.
  52. PsychoSoldier

    Mafia 7: Everyone Loves Listo. Except the Devil.

    Oh, right, I wanted to put a vote down

    Vote: Grumpy

    Still want to push this. I think with his vote on Robo, my earlier feelings, Xan dying, and there being so much resistance despite some of the more prominent voices pushing him, it just looks like scum being pushed out of the running for wagons.

    What's up with he votes on Kryllian by the way? I feel like he was roleblocked on N1 which narrows down his odds of being scum.
  53. PsychoSoldier

    Mafia 7: Everyone Loves Listo. Except the Devil.

    Doing some cleaning and still gotta catch up on the most recent page, so won't really be around for a while, but thoughts so far:

    I agree with Void about CRichard. I was already getting weird vibes about his push on MTR, and in general don't like the narrative of people trying to push him. He reads fine to me so far and think people too often use him as a scapegoat because his style has a lot of 101 scumtell. I don't know if I agree about the hammer stuff(I can buy that he didn't know), but I already had iffy vibes seeing the way he was trying to make MTR a wagon possibility. I also didn't really like his start to this phase where he was pushing theories about where to find scum but wasn't really digging into who. Goes into postulating on Future. Felt like busywork.

    I'll always have paranoia when she's alive past the first two nights, but I think Nightingale is probably just town. She's been very involved, one of the loudest voices and drivingest forces, and I think as scum she tends to be a bit more like CRichard's SOD3 where she talks about more hypothetical and theoreticals but doesn't really dig into her reads. Here she's been critically questioning people across the board and then putting that work into action with votes.

    Void seems ok to a lesser degree. If Grumpy is scum, I think he's even more likely to be clean, but what I like about today is the way he kind of went right into arguing against vote theories that looked good for him. I also think his push on CRichard felt genuine.

    I feel like I had other things I wanted to say but I'm blanking on them now right now. Will be back later with more.
  54. PsychoSoldier

    Mafia 7: Everyone Loves Listo. Except the Devil.

    Night, how do you feel about Matthieu? He seemed ok to me at first but his later posts last phase gave me some gut pings
  55. PsychoSoldier

    Mafia 7: Everyone Loves Listo. Except the Devil.

    If Void is town, then the lack of any traction on Grumpy doesn't make me feel any better about that slot. Especially if Xan was killed by scum.

    In general, I think regardless of Void's alignment, scum are more likely to be found on Robo's wagon. Easy chop to get away with and less likely to have blowback if Void is also town. And if Void is scum it kind of speaks for itself.
  56. PsychoSoldier

    Mafia 7: Everyone Loves Listo. Except the Devil.

    At first I was thinking there was no kill, but it looks like Xan is part of the dead list now with no flip. Did scum act in secret or did Wrex kill him somehow?

    Also we maybe had a cop on Void?
  57. PsychoSoldier

    Mafia 7: Everyone Loves Listo. Except the Devil.

    I'd happily switch back to Grumpy but literally no one but you, me, and Foxxi seem to care
  58. PsychoSoldier

    Mafia 7: Everyone Loves Listo. Except the Devil.

    rock meets hard place said:
    Is that just a question or is that your takeaway since that wasn't a conclusion I was making.

    I would like to see more reads from him, yeah.
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    It was a question. I don't really see the issue with what he's provided so far considering he had a big catch up to do. So I'm wondering if you have an issue with the reads/posts he's actually made or if you it's just that he doesn't have more reads/scumreads?
  59. PsychoSoldier

    Mafia 7: Everyone Loves Listo. Except the Devil.

    Vote: Robo

    I'm gonna be busy over the next 20 minutes or so and don't want to risk not being able to follow and getting a vote in too late. I don't really like voting absent Robo but I prefer it to Void.
  60. PsychoSoldier

    Mafia 7: Everyone Loves Listo. Except the Devil.

    Xanjori said:
    You think? It was mostly that she felt too annoyed by my content.
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    I mean when has that not been LDG's MO as either alignment? I could be wrong but I feel like she tends to be a bit more timid when scum and not have emotional snapvotes like that.
  61. PsychoSoldier

    Mafia 7: Everyone Loves Listo. Except the Devil.

    Xanjori said:
    Honestly I think there is good cause to believe MTR is a wolf as well, but Jarrods push is in good faith from my interpretation, I just think he is on the wrong target.
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    Xanjori said:
    Im honestly not sure Im convinced by pushing Robo for being AFK. Id much rather see pushes on GC or VK
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    I'm curious about this discrepancy here. You seemed on the side of VK being more towny but here seems to want pushes on him? Do you just prefer him over Robo?
  62. PsychoSoldier

    Mafia 7: Everyone Loves Listo. Except the Devil.

    Honestly the way LDG just went barreling into Xan feels kinda towny to me
  63. PsychoSoldier

    Mafia 7: Everyone Loves Listo. Except the Devil.

    EBWOP *players
  64. PsychoSoldier

    Mafia 7: Everyone Loves Listo. Except the Devil.

    rock meets hard place said:
    but also there are more than 3 scum and thats even assuming that those reads are correct so I'd like to see you expand your scum reads.
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    Do you think Xan is just fluffing these reads? They felt fairly thorough without seeming like just going through a checklist of olayersy
  65. PsychoSoldier

    Mafia 7: Everyone Loves Listo. Except the Devil.

    Xanjori said:
    I had you middle-ish for some mind melding but Id been thinking about your vote and Im trying to think of the best reasoning behind it. Maybe you wanna explain yourself why you went for the very late vote?
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    It was just to try and avoid the hammer penalty. It was late but better than nothing. Grumpy was the only one other than Future I had any desire to chop and I wasn't voting sleep.
  66. PsychoSoldier

    Mafia 7: Everyone Loves Listo. Except the Devil.

    Nightingale said:
    Notably it was Richard who did try to start a counter train to future of MTR -- @PsychoSoldier - you've played with him before. How likely is s!richard to bring up that rule/theory whatever of scum in the first train when there is a partner(s?)? Is he the sort to take that risk that people might test it out but that odds are in favor of it being a non-scum yeet?

    Along that train of thought, if richard is scum that pulled that ploy, it probably looks good for grumpy actually. I could see scum maybe doing that if they had one partner in the four, but two would be less likely I think?
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    I don't really know Cr"s game. I think we've played in like a mash or two and I've seen him in the MU discord server a lot but I don't really know his meta.

    As is I think it's less likely that scum who's been as vocal as CRichard would even introduce the theory here knowing Future was in that list.
  67. PsychoSoldier

    Mafia 7: Everyone Loves Listo. Except the Devil.

    Personally I'd rather see Grumpy as a counter to Void
  68. PsychoSoldier

    Mafia 7: Everyone Loves Listo. Except the Devil.

    Slowly catching up and I guess maybe Xan could have been trying to dump a bunch of thoughts to seem towny, but honestly I felt like the net of his reads were too wide for a first appearance scum rand.

    Maybe you explain it later but what's your read on me @Xanjori? You had me kind of low in your list but didn't give any reasoning.
  69. PsychoSoldier

    Mafia 7: Everyone Loves Listo. Except the Devil.

    Matthieu said:
    Why Robo and not Xanjori, though?

    I pointed out back on D1 that Xanjori hadn't shown up yet and although they're both quiet Robo has 3 posts and Xanjori has 1. Jarrod was given a free pass on D1 for not showing up as well, I believe?


    Vote: Xanjori
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    Jarrod did show up. His push on Void also felt towny. And personally I think showing up to do the bare minimum(Robo) looks worse than not showing up at all, particularly with the people involved. Scum!Xan wouldn't hide and would make some kind of appearance if not busy/legit forgetting the game. So before his post, Xan was NAI whereas Robo did the classic "get my shit in before I get yelled at" move.
  70. PsychoSoldier

    Mafia 7: Everyone Loves Listo. Except the Devil.

    rock meets hard place said:
    ok that's why I was confused. Void and Drey are not catching flak for pushing MTR and I don't think MTR is considered "clear" or at least not alot of ppl have said they think MTR is clear. So if your counter to my theory is that they wouldn't push someone that grabs attention then what's that based on b/c that's not happening in the thread. If we were to say that MTR was town b/c scum voted him what makes you think that a potential scum void and drey would vote someone else and risk clearing them?

    but while you are here (well prob not now) your name was red in the write up, I pointed this out and someone else voted you. Is there a reason you chose not to comment on this?
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    Well Void did gain attention to start, though not really for voting MTR.

    Your initial argument relies on painting what's happening in thread against the scum mindset which doesn't always gel. My point is if scum are of the mindset that MTR is cleared(a theory YOU are positing), that they're less likely to hazard a vote on him because of the CHANCE that it would draw negative attention. Whether it has drawn negative attention has no bearing on what scum has done up to this point.

    I didn't address the theory that my alignment was revealed in the writeup because I'm town and it's a dumb theory.

    But you're always welcome to vote me
  71. PsychoSoldier

    Mafia 7: Everyone Loves Listo. Except the Devil.

    rock meets hard place said:
    huh? I don't get the last sentence
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    I'm saying if they think MTR is spewed as town(which I'm guessing you're saying), then scum are more likely to push someone else instead of someone who's considered cleared. Why would they continue pushing someone that's just gonna grab them more attention?
  72. PsychoSoldier

    Mafia 7: Everyone Loves Listo. Except the Devil.

    rock meets hard place said:
    I know everyone is saying that MTR isn't confirmed but what if he is and scum are intentionally voting there so they don't spew anyone else?
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    Are you saying that MTR is confirmed town and are voting him so they don't clear someone else as town?

    I think if scum are worried about MTR being confirmed as town, they're probably going to try and push someone else rather than double down on a sinking ship.
  73. PsychoSoldier

    Mafia 7: Everyone Loves Listo. Except the Devil.

    rock meets hard place said:
    kinda odd to me to be willing to vote claws AND the guy that claws is voting for. So you think its like a bus?
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    No, if Robo is scum then Claws is probably fine and vice-versa. But neither seem incompatible with Future, and like I said before Claws feels better than d1 whereas Robo has only made less than a bare minimum appearance on d1.
  74. PsychoSoldier

    Mafia 7: Everyone Loves Listo. Except the Devil.

    Matthieu said:
    I agree that Future should be taken out today but don't 'speed' through the day phase since there's a rule that strongly encourages at least five posts.
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    Notable that Matthieu was pushing Future as needing to be dealt with but cautioning a speed yeet. If Future is purely a red herring, I could see scum wanting to hold off on a potential hammer
  75. PsychoSoldier

    Mafia 7: Everyone Loves Listo. Except the Devil.

    EBWOP D1 not D2

    Though I like chopping on D2 also
  76. PsychoSoldier

    Mafia 7: Everyone Loves Listo. Except the Devil.

    I'm still used to being one of like 3 people.that actually want to chop on D2 and ever since the influx of MMO-C people that isn't really the case anymore.
  77. PsychoSoldier

    Mafia 7: Everyone Loves Listo. Except the Devil.

    I think Dreyski was part of it? I could be wrong there. The main one I always remember is Mazer because I feel we see so many things about mafia similarly but disagree so strongly there.
  78. PsychoSoldier

    Mafia 7: Everyone Loves Listo. Except the Devil.

    Vote: GrumpyCat
  79. PsychoSoldier

    Mafia 7: Everyone Loves Listo. Except the Devil.

    Jarrod's solving on Void feels genuine too. CRichard also still seems fine.

    I don't really have strong feelings on anyone else yet.

    Grumpy
    Claws
    Robo
    Xan

    I think these are the slots I feel most comfortable voting right now
  80. PsychoSoldier

    Mafia 7: Everyone Loves Listo. Except the Devil.

    I'm cautiously reserving judgment on Void. I like the way he was solving the Future wagon, but last time I thought he was playing hella towny, he was scum, so I'm not shielding him any time soon.
  81. PsychoSoldier

    Mafia 7: Everyone Loves Listo. Except the Devil.

    FutureHold said:
    Sigh if you want to hammer why couldn’t we have hammered the inactives? This is a terrible mistake and Ray really wasted a good ability on me
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    LemonDemonGirl said:
    True
    Unvote:
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    This is kind of a weird interaction if partnered. Like it's sort of a non-sequitur, but knowing LDG like I do, this reads a bit more like she felt some kind of pressure to move her vote, and I don't think she'd feel that in reaction to a non-related post from her partner.
  82. PsychoSoldier

    Mafia 7: Everyone Loves Listo. Except the Devil.

    For what it's worth, I'm not keen on pushing MTR either. I think the bit of headbutting with Future is enough to give him some space. I also felt the early pile on is more indicative of him being town with at least one scum flipping on that wagon.
  83. PsychoSoldier

    Mafia 7: Everyone Loves Listo. Except the Devil.

    CRichardFoL said:
    Another reason why I think MTR is town is I don't see both he and Future stacking on sleep, as scum don't like to stack votes D1.
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    Any particular reason you're so focused on MTR or is this just kind of where your brain is at with your processing right now?
  84. PsychoSoldier

    Mafia 7: Everyone Loves Listo. Except the Devil.

    Not really sure I like Grumpy's posts today. I think arguing that scum wouldn't bus last phase could potentially be absolving himself of blame as well as trying to move attention away from other partners hiding on the wagon. The "waiting for a wagon to reach 3," thing feels a bit like using Abbi's law as a crutch (and incorrectly because it only counts for the first wagon of the game). And Nightingale has made a good point about him voting Future while having spent most of his time talking about/pushing other options. It's also notable he was pushing for a sleep vote over hammering Future. The one thing that makes me hesitant is I feel I tend to scumread Grumpy a lot so maybe I'm confbiasing myself.

    Claws is getting better so far, but not sure I'm sold on flipping that read yet. I kind of like the push on Robo because it feels independent and develops from the Void push, which I think Claws would be more fixated on if he was putting on a front. But if Robo is town, it's kind of an easy read to fall back on.

    Nightingale seems towny so far. I like that she dove right into assessing the Future wagon and was constantly questioning the majority requirement when future was rezzed. If it is a red herring, seems like scum would try to push the idea that it's real or feign confusion rather than actively working to put doubt on the plot. I guess if the rez is real maybe it's scum trying to keep him alive longer. We'll have to see, but overall feels fine.
  85. PsychoSoldier

    Mafia 7: Everyone Loves Listo. Except the Devil.

    Don't have much from the writeup. Seems like most of our info died with Badger, though I do think Kryllian was probably roleblocked which would knock a decent number of scum roles off of him.

    I thought maybe Blind was vanilla'd but from what he says not the case. I also think him openly saying he's not clear is probably a good look. Enough for me to not worry about him.

    I also can't help but wonder if scum bus drove Xan to try and take him out of the firing range of an inactivity vig, but you could argue they were just trying to get a free kill on Listo. Will see how Xan develops once he starts posting.

    I'm on the side if ignoring Future for now because the hammer requirement and the attempted day kill seem to point to his resurrection being a red herring. If he's still in the playerlist after the phase ends, let's try and roleblock him and decide from there.
  86. PsychoSoldier

    Mafia 7: Everyone Loves Listo. Except the Devil.

    Will be here to catch up and allat tonight. At work and then I have a Walrus reveal right after, but I'll be free after that
  87. PsychoSoldier

    Mafia 7: Everyone Loves Listo. Except the Devil.

    Happy Birthday Badger! My creative juices are drained today to try and compete for the best, but I'm gonna take an extra big hit of my bowl for you. Maybe if I blow hard enough you'll catch the contact.
  88. PsychoSoldier

    Mafia 7: Everyone Loves Listo. Except the Devil.

    Jarrod1983 said:
    I think Rip had a family matter that took him out of playing. Not sure if he'd play one now but at the time he had more important things to tend to.

    I think there's room for both, I'll always love Rajah but am looking forward to hosting one here for people who haven't played a game of mine yet.
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    Which is totally fair and not at all meant to be an indictment of Rip. Just his argument for the "detriment" of FoS and the way he approached it. I still love the dude.
  89. PsychoSoldier

    Mafia 7: Everyone Loves Listo. Except the Devil.

    Unvote:

    Vote: Futurehold
  90. PsychoSoldier

    Mafia 7: Everyone Loves Listo. Except the Devil.

    I also don't feel good about running Xan up without any posts. He'll become readable of he does post.
  91. PsychoSoldier

    Mafia 7: Everyone Loves Listo. Except the Devil.

    If I'm reading the votes right, we have 3 on sleep and 9 on Future. Xan is the next highest player with votes

    If we're trying to hammer to avoid penalties, we're pretty much stuck voting Future.

    I don't really like the way Grumpy has mostly focused on how to maneuver votes, but I'm not sure any of it is actually scum indicative. Future, on the other hand, hasn't had a great reaction to the votes and I don't really like how floaty his reads seem to be.

    I also still feel iffy about Claws, but don't think that happens today.
  92. PsychoSoldier

    Mafia 7: Everyone Loves Listo. Except the Devil.

    LemonDemonGirl said:
    Maybe? Are Xan and Val posting?
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    Val has made a couple posts. Xan is a complete 0-poster at this point.
  93. PsychoSoldier

    Mafia 7: Everyone Loves Listo. Except the Devil.

    Badger said:
    Rajah is a slow site been deteriorating over the years but generally the few we have are tight-knit. Quality over quantity.

    I’m going to run my Mazer tribute game because it should be there and will tag on Discord and Rajah in the hope at least old and new guys sow up. At least try and breathe some life for a while as Mazer deserves it.
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    I think she's referring to the fact that Rip, one of the most vocal against the new site, didn't even play despite signing up when Jarrod almost immediately hosted a game on Rajah. So what's even the point?

    This isn't me saying don't run any games on Rajah, but it shows that the complaints aren't backed by any real conviction and is a shame it has to be that petty.
  94. PsychoSoldier

    Mafia 7: Everyone Loves Listo. Except the Devil.

    Mazer said:
    Mtr(1) - Future
    Xan (3)- Kryll, matt, cwe
    listo(2) - voidkitten, robo
    psych (1)- badger
    matt (1) -dreyski
    vk (2) -bn, claws
    rock (1)-llettuce
    badger(1)- jarrod
    future (8)- vk, Jay,gc, val, crich
    Grumpy (2)- psych, night
    jarrod (1) - rock
    kryll (1)- Listo
    Blind (1)- ldg
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  95. PsychoSoldier

    Mafia 7: Everyone Loves Listo. Except the Devil.

    Though, the vote on Xan and not following through on Abbi's Law is interesting
  96. PsychoSoldier

    Mafia 7: Everyone Loves Listo. Except the Devil.

    CRichardFoL said:
    Badger seems better than when I voted them. I can see a town perspective on their part on town leaning Claws by meta apparently.
    Also, Xan is way too forgettable. I'm aware using 1 past game isn't the most accurate way to read a player, yet if I don't remember a player it's probably not for a good reason.
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    CRichard and me mindmelding again

    Though I'm a bit paranoid that I was giving Cape a lot of credit last game for playing towny and then they ended up being scum. But I think the fact CRichard has been on a similar wavelength with some thoughts is ultimately a good look.
  97. PsychoSoldier

    Mafia 7: Everyone Loves Listo. Except the Devil.

    rock meets hard place said:
    or vote sleep or Vote: Jarrod1983
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    Why Jarrod?
  98. PsychoSoldier

    Mafia 7: Everyone Loves Listo. Except the Devil.

    rock meets hard place said:
    yes? I didn't really like the Future pile-on. I guess you could argue that Val is town b/c her reasoning is pretty awful and seems unconcerned with how they come across but if Future does flip town we should just give Val a pass for contributing to a mislynch? I think Future's reaction is pretty normal. Could maybe argue that he's scum and angry that he's gonna be the days lynch but I'm not super convinced about that.

    I know I said that Richard seems town to me but it's not really impossible that he comes in, argues rule of 3, and then does nothing else. I'd be interested in she's what else he does when he starts posting again.
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    It's not rule of 3
  99. PsychoSoldier

    Mafia 7: Everyone Loves Listo. Except the Devil.

    FutureHold said:
    A lot of similar reads, MTR seems townish to me (so far), Psycho and you have been pushing me, which is usually a town tell, not too sure on Badger, it's a tad unusual that he is badgering me all phase but it might be a bit of bias there. Val has only made one post but i get strong town vibes off of it
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    FutureHold said:
    Already did but other than you I would say Psycho, he pushed me but he kinda stopped pushing
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    This is kind of a quick flip. Considering I was gone and even said I had to catch up on the thread, and there was only one post between these two, what changed here?
  100. PsychoSoldier

    Mafia 7: Everyone Loves Listo. Except the Devil.

    Blind Ninja said:
    So... if we look at people under 5 posts

    4. Val
    3. Robo, Kryllian
    2. Jarrod
    1. LDG
    0. Xan

    By your own admission, you should be someone on the chopping block today
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    What's your take on voting lurkers today and this pool of people? You're normally pretty quick to go after lurkers and just singling out LDG here, while in-character, seems a bit like overlooking the rest to dog on LDG.
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