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VoidKitten said:

It was Matthieu's gift.

Foxxi gave me a fucking SK result.

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So ungrateful

VoidKitten said:

And I let you.

Thank you for your patronage.

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Yes....you did not stop me from using foxxi's gift to you.



Jk. Play the hand you get dealt . Well-executed

Nightingale said:

Hey. It was matthieu's question.

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I do not like this.


No ma'am, I do not

Since Morrison has been playing less, I needed someone to take my yell role

FOOOOOXXXXXIIII

4 roles.....I was working through a 4 player limitation so much.....

Listo95 said:

My wife told me that those fucking spirits lost access to the others when she was talking to them. What a fucking terrible medium she was right? No idea why I stayed married to her. Oh wait I remember she was fucking rich!

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They could have given before.



Yeah.....cwe and badgers fault......that's the ticket

Crackleslap said:

cmon town, listo the medium relaying info from the dead thread begging y'all too yeet to VK/BN XD

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They also wanted to yeet me.

I blame Badger and cwe for not feeding Val info

8th

Mazer said:

Vote: listo

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VoidKitten said:

This was the most I ever had to fight to play a game and I hate every single one of you for making me do it.

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The four roles got me.

You guys got me.

I hated you today, but I hated everyone.

My bad satsu.

Would you guys space it put to make me feel better

Specifically

Meaning over satsu

Mtr, if I'm wrong and I die tonight, I would likely go BN.


As surely as Romford loves Megan Markle.

And may God have mercy on my soul if I'm wrong.

VoidKitten said:

This song is now stuck in my head.

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I apologize for nothing

VoidKitten said:

Vanilla and BPV

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Those are both actually really handy. Help me out. Bpv would just stop a night kill not a lynch.

MTR said:

Uncle Mazer and the House of MTR road trip

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No sleep till Tampa.

Or Orlando.


Whichever

You answered this already, but what do you have left?

Blind Ninja said:

im sorry... ive had about 36hrs of sleep in the last 48. Most of it was drug induced.

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Solid

VoidKitten said:

You think this is more likely over Satsu at this point? What is it with Satsu that I am not seeing outside of you not being entirely sure about any GF protection?

Sure, could Listo easily fake claim, of course. I think Satsu is more likely.

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As I said, val is much less of a kill priority if he already has a false read.

And sk having both cop protection AND strongman seems high.

Do you and Blind Ninja keep the kill or did you lose it when you missed?



I'm not sure why you think an early claim is so improbable. And there are apparently more absolutes in design today than there were yesterday.


I hate everyone today.


Except mtr. We're carpooling to Orlando in January

VoidKitten said:

Depends on what you consider sleep deprivation.

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Less than 5 hours in a 48 hour period

I guess the one specific was that Badger jailed void. But that was in thread.


Fuck I'm tired

Id go blind Ninja over VoidKitten right now. Overcoming the jail would be pretty powered with a strongman kill too.

And still.....two mason teams

Listo is easily one of the best TOL players (he's great in all games) . He's a first recruit. He would immediately know he needed to claim a role.

His role is unlikely to run into a double claim, and has had very few specifics .

Blind Ninja said:

I feel SK is between listo and satsu.

Since you and MTR have had action verified.

Feel stronger about satsu

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Why satsu?

MTR said:

If they are not masons why would both be telling lies then because as far as we know there is just one more threat to town and not two.

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One wouldn't know. Bastardly.

It's happened. Rare but it's happened.

VoidKitten said:

I still really want to play a game where every poster has to be drunk or affected by a substance in some way before posting.

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Can I use sleep deprivation?

Blind Ninja said:

been hard to think about the game, but have been trying to be here and do things.

Going to lay down for a nap, but I might not wake up before deadline. This cold has been kicking my ass.

im between Satsu and listo. Feel listo is a lot less likely then satsu

Vote: Satsu

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Don't get this vote

Satsu said:

Every sk would kill val at some point

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Then? With other confirmed town?

Timing is important.


I swear that's come up before. . ..

VoidKitten said:

This is pure AtE and I really hate it. You have jumped around all day today. Duo. Single SK. Literally anyone but us.

You have said repeatedly the "spirits" push you that way and you are following the dead but now suddenly you have your own opinions on everything?

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In fairness, I did ask him for his own opinions last night.

I feel like this is a bit of a kitchen sink.

Satsu said:

Let me help you a bit.

Best mechanical play to do today is to yeet VK. BN said yesterday and today that he will not vote VK.

If VK is the SK then BN will lose it in final 3.
If Listo is the SK he is yeeted tommorow.
If BN is an SK than this game would be won yesterday. Sadly some players would rather ... sleep??

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Let's say we yeet void. And he's town

Then sk kills me or mtr.

It's mtr, you, listo, vk

If we miss again, and let's say listo is actually clean. They kill mtr that night.

Then it's parity and the sk wins.

So it's not just elimination and guarantee with a vk or bn vote. There has to be a logical hit.

VoidKitten said:

This is incorrect.

If there is a SK between the two of us and I flip green and lets say MTR dies.

Listo, Satsu, BN, and Mazer. How is that day going to go? Will it be tinfoiled that BN is actually the SK even when I flip green? Is Satsu pushing Listo for a setup? Is Listo going to push Satsu?

You keep jumping saying there is a SK in one of us and your most recent post now says we are a duo.

You keep jumping back and forth to push anything against me or BN at this point.

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There is at least a possibility that one of you don't know.

Most other theories require some level of tomfoolery too.

Satsu said:

Come on everyone you can sleep at final 4 ft it comes to it. Plz vote less than 3 hours remain.

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Mostly traveling today. Had a long runway wait at airport. Catching up now

Satsu said:

Val was confirmed town, got a rolecop on VK on night that Rock died, confirmed by VK.
Matthieu kill kill was unreasonable.

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You gotta ask....or at least I do repeatedly....is if the sk was already copped and they already copped void.....would those two people kill Val at that point?

VoidKitten said:

In nearly every game of mine or Foxxi's, 3p characters appear as "Other" on cop checks when the results return as "Mafia or Other." It keeps the SK hidden from alignment cops. With no alignment cop, it is reasonable to think rolecop could have it.

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So the theory is sk is unblockable and unknowable?

Does it also go back in time and steal your first bike

Satsu said:

If Listo is town and this is one of you tean town loses. BN said he won;t vote you and you said maybe it is BNI guess. Whatever.

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Vk.also did say he wouldn't vote blind Ninja.


Vk can you cite a foxxi game where sk had gf protection?

Or anyone
?

Satsu said:

What do you think Mazer? Would you rather vote me or with me?

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Not voting you today. But not convinced I'm voting with you.

I've given as much rationale and public reads as anyone. More than most.

I don't think I've seen a solid argument on why VoidKitten OR Blind Ninja. And the absence of that will not get me on a train.

The best argument to vote one of them today is purely voting dynamics.

And mtr just confirmed last night's actions l

VoidKitten said:

It is mechanically the best play if you assume everyone will vote Listo and not tinfoil BN or you actually think we are a duo.

Which means Matthieu lied and it was five bad and not four bad.

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The alternating theory would work for the number. But I still think only 1 of you is more likely

VoidKitten said:

7 hours remaining.

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How much time we got?

Heading to airport

VoidKitten said:

If Listo were the SK, why would he be trying to push against Satsu train unless he is trying to set up for the next day?

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Whoever the serial killer is....including either one of you....would make complete sense.


So....there's that.

I am the only one that cares that the serial killer's last 2 kills were information roles when there were confirmed town?


Anyone?

So if I have this right, scum killed cwe and missed on night 4.

The sk killed rock, claws, val, and Matt.


The Claws stands out some since he was probably going to be a target. Not as likely as xan. Who would have wanted claws dead?

I remember him trying to throw some shade my way with xan. And some with vk. Although I honestly don't think vk would have feared the push at that point.

Anyone who would have been jumpy of claws?

Particularly when you were talking about the spirit of fun yesterday.


Through the mists of time, come forth spirits. Yooo hoo we're waiting

Also this how I hear your voice

Listo95 said:

Da spirits say nothin' seems ta be glaringly wrong. But dey are sure about VK/BN

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Give any reason other than val's info?

VoidKitten said:

He is saying he would have killed me as a grudge after last game if he were scum.

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I was referring to Matt or satsu killing Matt last night specifically.


Not you being killed early

VoidKitten said:

When we win, you can save me the super deluxe cookie when you and I inevitably post-mortem.

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If you would only start the podcast

Listo95 said:

But it is NOT Madame Listo. If it be me VK woulda been DEAD long ago, I woulda gained nothin' from killing Matt. Why kill someone who be sus with me? Goin' after MTR/Satsu.

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I might be missing something, but why would they want to kill a suss person? Why would they gain more than you, particularly if he looked like the most likely mislynch?

Wouldn't anyone want to kill cleared town and rack up potential mislynch?

I apologize if I'm missing something here

VoidKitten said:

Wow for the first part.

100% agree on animated Robin Hood.

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I'm not sure you've earned the good cookie yet.

MTR said:

I can do a person twice. Just not two times in a row. I actually did Listo twice.

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That's what I thought. Stand by my post ten

Listo95 said:

If ya really think da Madame be thinkin' dat far ahead she be sorry to disappoint. Most she'd be thinkin' bout be da kill targets and in what order ta get da best chances of win. Also da fact she 100% woulda killed VK after last game -.-

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Do you have any holes in my thoughts on anyone else?

VoidKitten said:

Maybe it was Mazer who called his cookies delicious. I remember him being afraid, but I thought he ate it. I can't be bothered to actually go look.

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Foxxi said my cookies were delicious. Everyone else I specified a cookie. You I didn't. Crumbs.

And then foxxi and I had some laughs and discussed Robin Hood.

The animated one. It's a treasure.

It's decent meta reads.

My struggle with listo is his arguments are basically "because this person said to". Because I typically expect listo to solve more.

The argument against listo is its possible for him to make up this role. The argument he does make that he could have said Val said his exact role hold little water for me, because a self report is easily dismissed.

Mtr and I both have actions that went off on the same night as kills. Double actions seem very implausible.

Void and blind Ninja have a weird set up for balance. I currently don't credit voud's world building element, because it only came up when he was closer to danger. Maybe he can tell me where I am wrong after game. The other factor is val's changing info. I've made enough typos over the years that I hate to really bring it up too much or overhead. But it's knowledge and we're getting winnowed down.

But now they took an action on the same night as a kill. Unless they guessed mtr would rolestop matt. Which I still find less probable.

That said, I'd buy a secret action is hidden in two people, before I'd buy that 1 person acts twice in a night

@MTR can you repeat targets?

If satsu is sk, that means val's read on him was irrelevant, and even him eventually clearing other people was at least moderately less relevant. Which makes him an interesting kill choice. Killing Matt is also interesting as it speaks to elimination of knowledge roles over cleared town. Which is also interesting.

Listo does require me to accept that he planned from the start his claim. Which I wouldn't expect from some. But seeing listo's knowledge base in told has earned great respect for his strategy. He could definitely choose an unlikely to be duplicated role and know instantly he needed to claim.

His reaction feels ok today, but it's not enough for me to take off board. ATE is not sufficient by itself.

Listo95 said:

Dis be assumin' dey tellin' da truth. Which Madame Listo and da spirits do not believe.

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To their credit, they did say it before mtr revealed his target

MTR said:

Yes. I was worried about him being a target for the SK. Didn't expect it to be Matthieu. Granted not sure why I keep trying since SK has gotten past my role stop twice

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That does look better for void and bn

Why should I be at confident in that?

Asking now .....she won't answer

Asking later.....seems kinda problematic




Yesterday you seemed concerned or spiraling (depending on perspective). Today you seem more dead set lock

And this is why your block concerns me.

You and Blind Ninja are willing to block what I view as the second most probable outcome.

VoidKitten said:

That is where I am at. It has to be Listo or Satsu.

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I would go you or bn before satsu.

Val's check means something. In a world where it didn't for an sk, I have more reason to doubt the double town Mason scenario

I do want mtr to check in to confirm rolestop

There are 3 people left I feel like it could be.

And none of them can verify anything.

VoidKitten said:

It did. It was a 1/3 chance at this point.

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What's left?

Listo95 said:

In what world does stopping all da actions on Madame Listo make sense.

As Madame Listo said last day, she wants ta follow da will of da dead. And dey want VK/BN gone.

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Which one do you think if you had to pick one?

VoidKitten said:

Seeing as we attempted to kill you last night and you are alive, I am assuming that MTR rolestopped you.

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The random went to kill?

VoidKitten said:

You don't understand. The cookie saga took off.

I asked what kind of cookie and was told it was unidentifiable. I then, obviously knowing our mod, cast the Level 1 spell Identify, on the cookie. I was told that it was probably a cookie. So, probably was good for me and I ate the cookie. I was then told it was dry and the flavor was unidentifiable. I then cursed you out.

Ultimately, you gave me a shitty and dry cookie.

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Which is a metaphor.



Remember, at the end of the day, every story is ultimately the story of an old man, a young man, and life's greatest lesson

Satsu said:

Strange kill. He was in poe. What kind of question could he ask that would make him more a threat than mtr and mazer confirmed town that cant do anything really.

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What kind indeed?

Or was it one particular question?

VoidKitten said:

Btw, I got a shitty cookie.

I wasn't even told my cookie was delicious.

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That's the way the cookie crumbles

@Matthieu asking about whether the serial killer has any abilities other than kill might be good.

@Satsu I believe had some thoughts as well

VoidKitten said:

Yeah, I am not doing this vote unless there is no other option and the only options left are bastardization.

I'd prefer Matthieu as it eliminates the last two PoE of mine, but I'd vote Sleep over BN.

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Give someone who will the read the thread an answer to pass to Val before night.

@CWE. Tell Val our biggest sports debate

These are very precise numbers. I gave each of your posts a full analysis and weighted scum score, and then compared averages

I'm like
37% matt
33% listo
18% void
10% bn
2% other

@Badger

Take a look and tell Val now.

VoidKitten said:

I could probably verify some things from Xanjori that were specifically in our neighbor chat in the fae game of Foxxi's, but not with Val. Listo could have seen that chat, but I doubt he remembers much of it.

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Val is in the deadchat. Is there anyone in the deadchat who you could use knowledge that Val could get the info from and pass it to Listo.


Maybe someone who is not scum and rooting for our demise.



@MTR, if Badger tells Val one of the the two people he stole avatars from, you should be able to validate.

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I am quite creative thank you. But you are asking if Val (unless Listo is going to talk to scum which he said he was avoiding at some point) has anything I can verify? No, but I am sure that he and Matthieu can verify inside jokes between them.

Listo knew Val before me afaik.

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I thought about that. You can understand my concern with Matt being the only potential source of validation.

Although I do think Matt could participate in this excercise, for the benefit of all.

Listo could ask Val: In your pms from last game, what did Mazer want to make sure he was clear on?

Come on Matty VK. Get creative.

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No, I get that. But nothing about anything that has happened at night makes me lean that way. I also dislike there are two paired sets just like I dislike 3 protections that haven't done anything except for one kill I believe.

The issue will be how to we vet what Matthieu and Listo say tomorrow, assuming both live.

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Is there anything inside that only you and val, or anyone and val would know that listo wouldn't? In a real dialogue, he can get multiple answers.

For Matt, is there anything he can validate that only a few of us know pregame. Or maybe he can ask a good serial killer question.

MTR said:

So my brain is not into this right at the moment. Bad news this morning. Knew it was coming at some point but still sucks. Leave it at that for now.

I feel Mattieu is town and not the way to go. As much as i find it difficult to go there I am really starting to think we need to look at BN and/or Void more.

I will be back later to get a vote in but got to bounce for a bit.

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Best thoughts to you and the House.

VoidKitten said:

I really am annoyed yall keep making me think of tinfoil about BN. I really don't want to believe the word mason is bastardized. Because that just makes my brain take off, if so.

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Well, think about it. What's more likely? A role that has been externally validated being wrong? Or tomfoolery with the 2ND PAIRED SET.

I'm getting moderately tempted to punt today and try to send both matthieu and listo out to try to get helpful info and/or validate themselves

From now on, I'm calling you Matty VK


Rajahites will understand this is a huge compliment

VoidKitten said:

I assume he is claiming to have the typical Oracle limits.

1. Can only ask questions the moderator could have known before the rand happened
2. Answers from the moderator will be delivered in 1-2 words only

So, asking if Mazer is a SK is not valid, but asking if the role that can give cookies can also kill would be a valid question because that is known before the rand.

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Thank you for answering the question directed to you, matthieu.

Matthieu said:

I can only ask for information that would exist as of the period of time before the game was randomised. So anything about the setup but nothing that relates to the game as it is playing out.

So I can't ask if a particular player is the role that they claim to be but I can ask if there's a cop present in the game. It's why I worded my questions the way that I did.

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So you could ask if the serial killer has any abilities beyond killing

Well, it may make sense to keep listo alive then.

If we voted wrong, and the SK killed Listo, then we should be pretty close to 50/50 after.

Does foxxi typically deliver investigation results on nights you die? If you die, would she still tell you the result of your action?

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I think we've caught our serial killer, guys. Note how Void completely dodged my question in my post directed at him as well as falling back on claiming that I haven't asked a useful question despite my insistence that I am limited in regards to what I can ask about the game. Perhaps my questions could have been better though learning about how many roles hostile to town are present in the game.

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What are your limits?

Satsu said:

Two mason neighbour teams made entirely out of town seem weird.

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Are these neighours though? I thought they were assigned masons.

Listo95 said:

Da spirits just remember ta tell Madame Listo bout da game where dere be a masonry and dere be evil in it.

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Which game was that?

It pings me a bit that vk seems more tentative right now.

Listo95 said:

Da spirits say it be due ta da fact dat I be trustin all da rest of da actions. Dey all be confirmable in some way. For mine I be knowing dat I only talk ta da dead at night. Matt not be able ta get da info he has without his role.

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The info he has seems to be guessable. Which info do you think is the most solid?

Do you think it's both vk and bn? Or one or the other.

Listo95 said:

You really be wantin' ta go after Madame Listo? I be talkin' to da spirit of Val tonight. I be pure as can be. Da spirits of Rock, Badger, and CWE all wanted VK/BN ta be looked at.

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What are your thoughts on why they might be sk?

Who do we think has the most believable story right now between matt and listo?

Blind Ninja said:

nothing I see in the rolecard says anything about status' changing.

Schizophrenic, Mason, No talking after halfday, individual target, if same target RNG action.

Thats the meat and potatoes

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You also would say that.

VoidKitten said:

No. Just no.

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You would say that

What do you think of the theory that void and blind ninja could be flipping status.

That is also a good question? Would Matt kill val?

VoidKitten said:

The only two people that it should be able to be are Listo and Matthieu. Everyone else has actions they shouldn't be able to do with a kill.

We both picked Matthieu and he got doctored.

If MTR rolestopped Val, then the kill is either a strongman kill or the protection is bastardized for kills (since we know he MTR blocked other actions). The former just makes more sense from a game building standpoint outside of the fact there are 3 protection claims. Though that could be the bastardized part since she made a point to add in all her games could be bastardized later on.

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You would say that.

Listo95 said:

I no longer able to talk to da rabid animal. It be one time per person.

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So, who would you have left then?

Listo claimed from the start. That helps him some, but an sk would know they need a quick claim. And listo has excellent role knowledge, and it is well within his realm to pick something early that he would have control of from an info standpoint.

Matthieu's best validation is the number of roles. As an Sk, that could be just an informed guess.

Then you have BN and vk, which would require some interesting things, but certainly not beyond the realm of what foxxi could pull

I'm thinking Listo could ask Badger a specific question that both @MTR and I would know the answer to but would be hard to look up. That way, even a kill leaves alive one person that could validate Listo's ability.