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Listo95 said:

Well I’ll be Mr. VK, that is no way for a proper gentleman to speak or behave. With all this money I inherited from my deceased wife I do believe you must be sent to Gentleman’s School.

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I dropped out of the last fashioning school I was in.

Nightingale said:

Also. Kudos to Mazer for giving out the best cookies ever. Except to Void. Which was hilarious.

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It's why I chose to kill him. I was planning to endgame him until he gave me shitty cookies.

@Mazer

Oh wait. Where is my favorite post of the game.

MTR said:

I would hate to be an oracle. I would probably ask the dumbest questions

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The Oracle is an obscenely powerful role, but it is all in the questions that were asked.

In my turn as an Oracle, I failed with my first two question from what i remember.

That 4 is actually why Matthieu died, since some were wondering in the game.

Two reasons:

1. Listo was going to talk to Val. Matthieu is someone who can confirm anything Val said
2. Matthieu may have realized that the 4 may not be fully accurate if he thought into Schizophrenic or how he phrased things.

Mazer said:

Yes....you did not stop me from using foxxi's gift to you.



Jk. Play the hand you get dealt . Well-executed

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It was Matthieu's gift.

Foxxi gave me a fucking SK result.

I do Oracles and Wishgranters the same way.

You better be explicit in what you ask.

It's like some people really need to play a Fae style game to truly understand Foxxi.

I knew immediately that Matthieu had asked some question that wasn't accurate.

There was no way there were 2 SK lovers and only 2 other scum.

Mazer said:

4 roles.....I was working through a 4 player limitation so much.....

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And I let you.

Thank you for your patronage.

For the record, every read of mine was legitmate. When D2 and the SK result came down, I expected to lose so I wanted to townside.

Crackle I voted because his claim would not work with mine.
Badger made me sad actually. I thought he was scum. Claws convinced me. I was planning to kill Claws anyway so it made it easier not to have to swap, but with Badgers flip, I knew claws would flip scum.

I just want it on record I didn't actually lie about that :D

Tildey said:

VK not being willing to at least discuss you as a possibility was what had me the most Sus of you. Even if you really were Masons he would have tinfoiled on some of your responses. That and your statement that your Mason chat was quiet. lol

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Nope. Masons are NEVER not the same alignment in Foxxi games.

@Nightingale Please fucking confirm.

Blind Ninja said:

I dont see Void or Myself living past d2 the next few games...

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I expected that this game which is why I thought there was no shot at a win.

I also left them up each day just to see if anyone would find it.

Oh also, I blatantly targeted everyone I wanted to kill by using a love react on their post.

Tildey said:

And everyone got so hung up on Neighbors vs Masons nobody even considered other pairings like Lovers. Sneaky, sneaky, Madame Mod @Nightingale

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idk how. BN said Lovers what felt like 200 times this game.

I bitched him out multiple times for it in my own chat.

Crackleslap said:

I was just a neighbour, my whole compulsive SK was complete and total bullshit. CWE started a train on me so i went full vengeance mode. But i seemed to soak Tildey's ability, and VK's over fascination in my "SK" part of my role made it quite obvious to me after i died that VK was defs the SK. + the mod slip should've been damning.

Gg's wp BN/VK

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I trained you because you called yourself a killer and I was planning to claim to be a SK but to let us get one more shot off so we can kill scum. I couldn't do that with you alive.

MTR said:

Kudos for pulling that lie off. I was sus of Ninja off and on and believing the mason thing was hard for me to go that way

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The rolestop was a gamble too. I knew you'd likely target one of the info getters. I was already killing Matthieu and just had to guess it would be Listo since matthieu wouldn't help me.

If you had said no, I'd have claimed the kill still. And that he had a BPV as a SK.

I used the roleblock as a cover for our BPV.

Tildey said:

The night you fuckers roleblocked me I had targeted Blind Ninja for my final night kill.

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We didn't roleblock you. I lied because i knew you'd out it on your way out.

Blind Ninja said:

That follow your heart comment though... MONEY

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I didn't think you were going to get it. I thought it was way too subtle, which is why I went blatant on D1 with the word CHOICE everywhere.

So, I may have lied about being masons.

This was the most I ever had to fight to play a game and I hate every single one of you for making me do it.

Mazer said:

Those are both actually really handy. Help me out. Bpv would just stop a night kill not a lynch.

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BPV would stop an NK. Iron Collar stops a yeet.

Mazer said:

No sleep till Tampa.

Or Orlando.


Whichever

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This song is now stuck in my head.

Mazer said:

You answered this already, but what do you have left?

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Vanilla and BPV

Mazer said:

Do you and Blind Ninja keep the kill or did you lose it when you missed?

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Once the action is used it disappears off the list and cannot be randed again.

Mazer said:

Less than 5 hours in a 48 hour period

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Yeah that qualifies. I tend to average 4-6 a night, but have done that a few times.

Mazer said:

In fairness, I did ask him for his own opinions last night.

I feel like this is a bit of a kitchen sink.

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Conflating dead/his reads?

Mazer said:

Can I use sleep deprivation?

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Depends on what you consider sleep deprivation.

Mazer said:

Listo is easily one of the best TOL players (he's great in all games) . He's a first recruit. He would immediately know he needed to claim a role.

His role is unlikely to run into a double claim, and has had very few specifics .

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You think this is more likely over Satsu at this point? What is it with Satsu that I am not seeing outside of you not being entirely sure about any GF protection?

Sure, could Listo easily fake claim, of course. I think Satsu is more likely.

Satsu said:

Btw if i was scum you wouldnt find me
Gl hf

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I genuinely laughed at this post. :D

Gonna pop my vote down with 3 hours left. Grabbing some dinner and should be back until I get distracted by Smackdown.

Vote: Satsu

Satsu said:

Ok lets break 3rd wall here. Do you think i am scum here VK? Juat tsll me yes or no. Dont tell me maybe or if. Thanks you dontnred to answer

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Yes

Satsu is making my head spin in how I feel about him.

Satsu said:

Rolecop is more of a mafia role because they already know who scum are and they are fishing for tpr.

Btw there was a cool feature back on mmoc. Day phases would get shorter as time goes by. Until day 4 those woyld be 48h but around day 4 it would go down to 36h and around day 6 it would be 24 h days.

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How long ago was this? It was before my time and I actually kinda like it.

I still really want to play a game where every poster has to be drunk or affected by a substance in some way before posting.

Satsu said:

Cop might have innocent on sk but i dont remember if rolecop was ever a town role.

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We do tend to use it way more as a scum role than a town role yeah. I do rolecops as town in the Rajah style games because I typically have tons of abilities in them so I need to share the love all around.

Mazer said:

Vk.also did say he wouldn't vote blind Ninja.


Vk can you cite a foxxi game where sk had gf protection?

Or anyone
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In nearly every game of mine or Foxxi's, 3p characters appear as "Other" on cop checks when the results return as "Mafia or Other." It keeps the SK hidden from alignment cops. With no alignment cop, it is reasonable to think rolecop could have it.

Satsu said:

So be it

Unvote:
Vote: Listo

If scum wins this well played keeping rajah players.

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This is what was I was talking about earlier. You said its an auto-win tomorrow with Listo going over and seem like you don't actually want to vote Listo.

Mazer said:

How much time we got?

Heading to airport

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7 hours remaining.

Satsu said:

Why does my vote count for 2 on discord any way? Did mu delionious cookie gove me superpowers?

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I should get a superpower from the cookie crumbs.

Satsu said:

I dont think you are a SK duo. I think there could be a scum betwwen you. i already posted my odds for sk.

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If I am killed, that doesn't clear BN as you are saying there could be one between us. You are saying its an auto-win with Listo tomorrow, but will Mazer/MTR/whomever agree with that or will it wonder if BN is actually a bastardized mason SK when I flip green. Instead of actually shooting within the games PoE (and your PoE) you want to shoot outside of it for a mechanical reason that doesn't help since you said we aren't a duo. I am still not fully sold you are town.

What it does help is if you are the SK because if your version of events happens it just gets rid of Listo based on what you have pushed today. You also know BN and I wouldn't vote on each other over you as you are in the PoE which is why it feels like you want me to go over.

Satsu said:

I like how you know it is mechanically best play but you wont have it

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It is mechanically the best play if you assume everyone will vote Listo and not tinfoil BN or you actually think we are a duo.

Which means Matthieu lied and it was five bad and not four bad.

Satsu said:

I am going to vote listo tommorow if bn is the sk than he can have it. I did what i coyld.

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I like how your vote on me is still lulz

Satsu said:

If listo is sk he already lost unless he has a collar

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That is assuming he is actually yeeted tomorrow. Don't tell me you haven't see shit fall apart at the last minute.

If Listo were the SK, why would he be trying to push against Satsu train unless he is trying to set up for the next day?

But, that actually may make him more towny to be honest.

Listo95 said:

Seriously like da spirits also be sayin before' a scum hiding in masons been done before. I seen it. Madame Listo not be askin' for much just to fuckin' lynch one o Vk/BN.

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This literally is not true in a Foxxi game and you are so scummy for suggesting it.

You KNOW Foxxi would call them neighbors unless the game is bastardized of which we have not really seen any bastard mechanics.

You keep saying one of us and don't care which

Listo95 said:

Unvote:
Vote: VK

@Mazer @MTR
Please just vote VK and ya can kill me tomorrow if game not endin'.

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This is pure AtE and I really hate it. You have jumped around all day today. Duo. Single SK. Literally anyone but us.

You have said repeatedly the "spirits" push you that way and you are following the dead but now suddenly you have your own opinions on everything?

Listo95 said:

But it wouldn't due ta da fact da SK be in one o ya 2 :D

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This is incorrect.

If there is a SK between the two of us and I flip green and lets say MTR dies.

Listo, Satsu, BN, and Mazer. How is that day going to go? Will it be tinfoiled that BN is actually the SK even when I flip green? Is Satsu pushing Listo for a setup? Is Listo going to push Satsu?

You keep jumping saying there is a SK in one of us and your most recent post now says we are a duo.

You keep jumping back and forth to push anything against me or BN at this point.

It will not be better than when I was Hermie the Elf for our Christmas play my senior year. I stole that show with my awfulness.

Also, my kid finally got into this "Safety Squad." Its the older kids who help out the teachers and get more rights. Since Kindergarten, she wanted to do it and this year was the first time she was eligible and she got picked. She got to help the teachers at an after school event today and she was SOUPED ahaha.

Apparently for the xmas event she will have to dress up as an elf which should be great.

Listo95 said:

It almost be like da Madame was not gonna be in da game ta begin wit due to some minor burnout. So she be takin a very chill time dis game.

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While I believe you have burnout since we talked about it last game, you have said this two games in a row now.

I really dislike both Listo and Satsu today.

Listo has been solely focusing on "follow these dead" and every argument against me has been "im gonna go with what some of the dead have said." He started with saying it was all the dead yesterday and then said it was only one or two. And again today. But, his dropping of the roleplay felt genuine. Things since then have felt worse admittedly.

Satsu wants to yeet me for lulz/grudge instead of going after who he actually thinks. It's like he is framing the next days instead of looking at today. Unless he is just lawling.

Satsu said:

So rolecop would get vt on gf and sk. Doc and medical examiner on mafia. It is like how can they get scum then. Why are they in game for?

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Why are there three protection roles in this game if there has only really been one kill a night?

Listo95 said:

Can we follow da will o da dead so they can be quiet bout VK/BN?

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All you have said is to follow the dead. You haven't even come up with any thoughts of yourself other than "im going to go with these people I said I talked to"

Where are your vote analysis?

Mazer said:

So if I have this right, scum killed cwe and missed on night 4.

The sk killed rock, claws, val, and Matt.


The Claws stands out some since he was probably going to be a target. Not as likely as xan. Who would have wanted claws dead?

I remember him trying to throw some shade my way with xan. And some with vk. Although I honestly don't think vk would have feared the push at that point.

Anyone who would have been jumpy of claws?

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Not going back all the way through his ISO right now, but I remember noting that he spent most of the game solely focused on me and was not looking for anyone else. The only people he was throwing shade on at the end was me, mazer, badger, and listo.

Me as the SK
Mazer as being sus for always being the last vote
Badger for being inactive and more sus than the LHF Tildey
Listo saying his role is easily gimmickable.

A dark void of nothingness?

Accurate.

Listo95 said:

In da case dat da Madame be the SK, Matt would not have joined da spirits. Get rid o da almost certainly cleared people.

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I mean, you couldn't say anything else with Mazer asking why.

But, I can see a world where SK Listo kills Matthieu.

Mazer said:

I might be missing something, but why would they want to kill a suss person? Why would they gain more than you, particularly if he looked like the most likely mislynch?

Wouldn't anyone want to kill cleared town and rack up potential mislynch?

I apologize if I'm missing something here

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He is saying he would have killed me as a grudge after last game if he were scum.

Mazer said:

I'm not sure you've earned the good cookie yet.

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When we win, you can save me the super deluxe cookie when you and I inevitably post-mortem.

And now with Satsu talking about cookie flavor, I really want to have a cookie vendor cop now.

Cookies are given and return different flavor depending on the alignment.

Mazer said:

Foxxi said my cookies were delicious. Everyone else I specified a cookie. You I didn't. Crumbs.

And then foxxi and I had some laughs and discussed Robin Hood.

The animated one. It's a treasure.

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Wow for the first part.

100% agree on animated Robin Hood.

The only way it looks worse for Listo is if you consider day action versus night action.

When he said he chose during the day, it made me come up with a really tinfoil role of a Psychic SK, which fit well except for one thing so its not really something I am pushing.

That being said, I really like this role I came up with thinking about it and totally want to use it in some form.

Satsu said:

He was afraid to eat if if i remember.

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Maybe it was Mazer who called his cookies delicious. I remember him being afraid, but I thought he ate it. I can't be bothered to actually go look.

Satsu said:

I just ate mine. Was delicious. Good ppl get good cookies.

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So Claws was a good person? Didn't he say his was delicious too?

Is it as easy as the SK has a godfather-esque passive? I'd expect scum to at least have one too, if so. I tend to try and keep some form of parity.

Listo just feels like the better choice. The outburst feels towny. Why go this entire time without RP, then drop the RP, then pick it back up? Was he actually threatened by Satsu saying its an autowin?

Listo95 said:

Okay fuck it Madame Listo is gone for now. I am not scum. I'm a fucking medium who chooses a dead player during the day to talk to during the night. Seriously people, N1 I talked to Rock, he was sus of the VT claims cause he thought he was the sole VT, N2 was crackle who continued to say he was a compulsive SK, but added he couldn't kill town. N3 was Badger who was literally not sure about VK and BN being masons. N4 was CWE, who came in sober and literally still doesn't trust VK. N5 was Val who I couldn't talk to much because I had a fucking early ass shift and day started again pretty much before I got off work. Val literally believes one of VK/BN is the sk.

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Unvote:

The fact you broke RP and still fucked up your days makes me feel like this is just really pissed town.

Vote: Listo

I think this wins it for us. It is what makes most sense to me.

MTR said:

Guess my rolestop finally protected someone

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I wish it didn't because I think the game would have been over.

MTR said:

Sorry not around earlier. Had a minor medical procedure done and finally getting around to jumping on laptop. About to scarf down some more food. So hungry.

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Hope all is well

Listo95 said:

Dis be assumin' dey tellin' da truth. Which Madame Listo and da spirits do not believe.

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When do you pick someone to talk to? During the day or when night begins?

Mazer said:

Why should I be at confident in that?

Asking now .....she won't answer

Asking later.....seems kinda problematic




Yesterday you seemed concerned or spiraling (depending on perspective). Today you seem more dead set lock

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There is no way you can know now. I am just putting this on record so after the game I can point back to it that I was correct.

I made a comment about how I could imagine a way that BN could be evil, but that was pure tinfoil and would be so bastardized and wouldn't even explain why I had two nights of missed actions if it were true.

Doubt me on reading Badger properly. You were right there. Do not doubt me on Foxxi building games when she taught me how to build my games in this style

Mazer said:

And this is why your block concerns me.

You and Blind Ninja are willing to block what I view as the second most probable outcome.

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Feel free to ask Foxxi after the game. Hell feel free to ask now, but I doubt she'd answer. She would not put masons in a group that could betray one another. Ever.

Mazer said:

I would go you or bn before satsu.

Val's check means something. In a world where it didn't for an sk, I have more reason to doubt the double town Mason scenario

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I would go for Listo before Satsu too. I would not go BN before Satsu. You can have reasons to doubt, but I am not doubting a mason modifier in a Foxxi game. It would have been neighbors I think if there was any chance BN was tricking me.

Mazer said:

There are 3 people left I feel like it could be.

And none of them can verify anything.

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That is where I am at. It has to be Listo or Satsu.

Mazer said:

What's left?

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Vanilla and BPV.

Listo95 said:

Even based on da claim VK be makin' dey be havin' no way to guarantee a kill would be attempted on me due to da 2 nights of no actions. Unless it all be a lie ofc.

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Of course not. It was one of three things if we both picked you.

Mazer said:

The random went to kill?

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It did. It was a 1/3 chance at this point.

Listo95 said:

In what world does stopping all da actions on Madame Listo make sense.

As Madame Listo said last day, she wants ta follow da will of da dead. And dey want VK/BN gone.

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Seeing as we attempted to kill you last night and you are alive, I am assuming that MTR rolestopped you.

I expect Listo was rolestopped last night. If he wasn't, that is very interesting. But a rolestop makes most sense.

It has to be within Listo or Satsu. Leaning Listo because there is nothing to prove, but the way he came in almost felt pure? Satsu only makes sense if we go the tinfoil route of thinking a SK had cop protections similar to godfather. Mazer and MTR have roles that have interacted with multiple people and I don't know if any role that can perform an action at night could also be the killer.

Mazer said:

That's the way the cookie crumbles

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You don't understand. The cookie saga took off.

I asked what kind of cookie and was told it was unidentifiable. I then, obviously knowing our mod, cast the Level 1 spell Identify, on the cookie. I was told that it was probably a cookie. So, probably was good for me and I ate the cookie. I was then told it was dry and the flavor was unidentifiable. I then cursed you out.

Ultimately, you gave me a shitty and dry cookie.

Satsu said:

Strange kill. He was in poe. What kind of question could he ask that would make him more a threat than mtr and mazer confirmed town that cant do anything really.

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Especially with the questions he was asking. They weren't anything that couldn't be inferred.

Listo95 said:

Madame Listo not even care anymore. Da spirit of Val checked me da night dey died but never got a result. Val believe BN/VK be a SK duo. Da spirit not give what Mazer wanted but instead gave stuff dat Matthieu be able to confirm.

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I am waiting to hear what MTR says before I jump down your throat.

Btw, I got a shitty cookie.

I wasn't even told my cookie was delicious.

I have so many questions about Matthieu. Why was he killed? Why can he come up with amazing stories but had to ask the most indirect questions ever.

@MTR Did you rolestop Listo?

Vote: Sleep

Still not voting BN over Sleep.

Yeah, I am not doing this vote unless there is no other option and the only options left are bastardization.

I'd prefer Matthieu as it eliminates the last two PoE of mine, but I'd vote Sleep over BN.

Blind Ninja said:

I have no intention of voting Void this game. Im more likely to vote with him.

Nothing in our rolecards say anything about one of us being evil.

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Well, I mean. It wouldn't now would it?

I could probably verify some things from Xanjori that were specifically in our neighbor chat in the fae game of Foxxi's, but not with Val. Listo could have seen that chat, but I doubt he remembers much of it.

Mazer said:

Come on Matty VK. Get creative.

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I am quite creative thank you. But you are asking if Val (unless Listo is going to talk to scum which he said he was avoiding at some point) has anything I can verify? No, but I am sure that he and Matthieu can verify inside jokes between them.

Listo knew Val before me afaik.

MTR said:

So my brain is not into this right at the moment. Bad news this morning. Knew it was coming at some point but still sucks. Leave it at that for now.

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Sorry to hear that sir

Mazer said:

Well, think about it. What's more likely? A role that has been externally validated being wrong? Or tomfoolery with the 2ND PAIRED SET.

I'm getting moderately tempted to punt today and try to send both matthieu and listo out to try to get helpful info and/or validate themselves

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No, I get that. But nothing about anything that has happened at night makes me lean that way. I also dislike there are two paired sets just like I dislike 3 protections that haven't done anything except for one kill I believe.

The issue will be how to we vet what Matthieu and Listo say tomorrow, assuming both live.

I really am annoyed yall keep making me think of tinfoil about BN. I really don't want to believe the word mason is bastardized. Because that just makes my brain take off, if so.