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  1. Nightingale

    Mafia 9: Sega vs Nintendo - The Race for the Next Generation

    Dreyski said:
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    But thank you Psycho for running the game and keeping town guessing to the end. It helps when you're on the winning team of course.
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    XD sorry
  2. Nightingale

    Mafia 9: Sega vs Nintendo - The Race for the Next Generation

    @Matthieu -- I'm sorry I made you feel frustrated enough to walk away from everything like that. I genuinely believed you were saying the same things you've said before and only trying to make others feel bad for you as a tactic to get support.

    There was however, a very good reason Badger wasn't being held accountable for what happened to grumpy. I'd just gotten cop results for both Jarrod and Badger: jarrod not town, badger town. So I *knew* jarrod was the purple, not badger. Granted I did legit feel that behavior was a town badger - but getting those results gave me full confidence.

    I hope you get to relax and feel better, and I am sorry my actions made you that unhappy.
  3. Nightingale

    Mafia 9: Sega vs Nintendo - The Race for the Next Generation

    MTR said:
    I have gone back and forth on doc or role block from different write ups. I have leaned role block but I can see it being a doc
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    I'm pretty sure it's a block.
  4. Nightingale

    Mafia 9: Sega vs Nintendo - The Race for the Next Generation

    Tildey said:
    Why? Because they targeted MTR on N4? I wouldn’t say that clears him. It wouldn’t be the first time scum targeted a teammate in an effort to muddy the waters.
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    Because the action I see on N4 that would have been Matthieu's looks very much like a roleblock. And Miyamoto also acted that night, if he was roleblocked he can't be Miyamoto.

    Which leaves you because I am still positive Drey, Val and LDG are town.
  5. Nightingale

    Mafia 9: Sega vs Nintendo - The Race for the Next Generation

    LemonDemonGirl said:
    Ok but what about the purple name?
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    If removing red doesn't make the game end we can worry about purple. But I'm positive purple is a survivor that will just win with us once we remove Miyamoto
  6. Nightingale

    Mafia 9: Sega vs Nintendo - The Race for the Next Generation

    I'm pretty sure Matthieu/Winds Will actually clears MTR - which means it's Tildey.
    Vote: Tildey
  7. Nightingale

    Mafia 9: Sega vs Nintendo - The Race for the Next Generation

    Val the Moofia Boss said:
    This is a console wars themed game. Town is SEGA, mafia is Nintendo, and purple is Sony Playstation. All three of them are competitors. And the popular history is that SEGA dies here and the lack of a disc drive on the N64 results in important devs like Square jumping ship to Playstation which results in Sony's dominance of console gaming until the Wii happened. I would not be surprised if Sony Playstation's/purple's wincon isn't to just survive, but to be the last man standing. For all I know he's an SK who hasn't been using his kill so he looks good in the writeups, and will then shoot at the end.
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    I did consider something like this early on, but no. I firmly believe jarrod is not a threat to us. If - and only if - game the doesn't end with the removal of the last wolf should jarrod be a concern.
  8. Nightingale

    Mafia 9: Sega vs Nintendo - The Race for the Next Generation

    WindwardAway said:
    I meant why they can't both be scum, not why they can't both be Miyamoto lol
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    Because the info I have tells me they are not. One of them is. And only one.
  9. Nightingale

    Mafia 9: Sega vs Nintendo - The Race for the Next Generation

    WindwardAway said:
    Why are you convinced it can't be both of them, if it's a scumteam of 5? Unpartnered, or just because my slot exists?
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    Because I am confident Miyamoto is a godfather role, and they cannot both be it.
  10. Nightingale

    Mafia 9: Sega vs Nintendo - The Race for the Next Generation

    And before anyone goes and runs off into tinfoil land. Drey is town 100%. Val and LDG are town 99.9%
  11. Nightingale

    Mafia 9: Sega vs Nintendo - The Race for the Next Generation

    Dreyski said:
    Don't make me :squint: you.

    A little thought experiment Jarrod. If you weren't purple, who would you say is acting most purple, and are their intentions pure for town? I'm leaning into the meta here, and although ultimately Sega screwed Sega, Sony and the Playstation did not help things along, especially with the $299 reveal as seen N2
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    I know jarrod is purple XD and he's done nothing I see as anti-town.
  12. Nightingale

    Mafia 9: Sega vs Nintendo - The Race for the Next Generation

    I'm still leaning MTR as Miyamoto I think.

    I was pinged by Tildey saying Badger's death made it look like wind's story had some credence - but then MTR did the exact same thing when he showed up. And I know one of these two has to be Miyamoto.

    So one is town that is just being misled by what they perceive, and the other is scum that is trying to protect wind.

    And Tildey had a couple of posts yesterday in sequence while talking to me that felt like genuinely trying to solve actions in a way scum wouldn't need to.
  13. Nightingale

    Mafia 9: Sega vs Nintendo - The Race for the Next Generation

    Ya know what. No, I'm honestly having a hard time figuring out which of Tildey or MTR is miyamoto right now, and asking them who they are sus of isn't going to help since one of them *has* to be town, but neither of them are reacting the way I would in their place.

    @Dreyski - N2 when we had the lightning rod we saw four distinct red characters act. This team began with five wolves and we have killed three. Your info proves wind is one of them.

    Vote: Windward
  14. Nightingale

    Mafia 9: Sega vs Nintendo - The Race for the Next Generation

    MTR said:
    I am going to be defending myself this day phase and probably getting frustrated the whole time. My reads have been way off this whole game which is also frustrating. So going to try to sit back a little and read things over again with maybe fresh eyes. I am not the way to go. I don't have anyone that I can try to point this moment though. I also don't think Tildey is the way to go but that is a meta read and well my reads have been bad this whole game. I only had Ninja and Future pegged pretty much at the same time as everyone else but was wrong on others. So ugh.
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    There is absolutely a wolf between wind and Tildey. Which one do you think it is?
  15. Nightingale

    Mafia 9: Sega vs Nintendo - The Race for the Next Generation

    I am like 99% positive I understand what Drey is thinking now - I think he's drawing the wrong conclusion from it, but that can be proven with the right yeet today.

    One of MTR or Tildey is Miyamoto.
    I am 99% positive wind is a scum joat.

    Wind - which of Tildey or MTR would you prefer to yeet today and why?
  16. Nightingale

    Mafia 9: Sega vs Nintendo - The Race for the Next Generation

    WindwardAway said:
    Wait nvm, I misread what you wrote. I thought you said that Badger copied his target's action, not that he copied the actions targeting his target. Are we sure that's how the duplicator works?
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    Yes. Jarrod was a lightning rod N2, so all actions *should* have just hit him - including badger's which we see is true in Badger's will - he targeted jarrod N2. But that should also mean everyone else only targeted jarrod night 2, and in every will we have seen since we have both jarrod and badger. Everything that hit jarrod, also was copied onto badger because of his ability.

    And this is further supported by the fact one of the things that hit jarrod that night was a vote steal ability - which also ended up affecting badger. And he himself said that day he did not believe he was the original target of the vote steal - logically because he knew he'd targeted jarrod and would have copied anything that happened to him onto himself.
  17. Nightingale

    Mafia 9: Sega vs Nintendo - The Race for the Next Generation

    Badger's will is giving me questions... it shows that he did in fact target mazer N3, the night mazer died. But if Badger chose Mazer as a target, why didn't Badger die too?

    We know from events N2/D3 that Badger's duplicate copied actions from his target, onto himself. This is evidenced by the fact that Grumpy's, Mazer's, Future's and BN's wills all show both jarrod and badger for N2 - as well as the fact that jarrod and badger shared the vote loss D3.

    So if he copied the things used on his target onto himself - why didn't he die with Mazer? He could have been doc'd... but I kinda find him an odd and unlikely target for a doc after grumpy's yeet maybe? Not sure anyone would be worried he'd be killed after that?

    Which makes me kinda wonder if the scum have some kind of mind control thing where they forced Badger to kill Mazer. I'm mulling this over though because it was very clearly a red kill, it doesn't show badger's character, it shows Miyamoto as the killer. So the question then is how likely is an ability like that - and would it show the controlled character as the killer, or the person pulling the strings. I could see it being done either way honestly... but the fact badger didn't die with Mazer is curious.
  18. Nightingale

    Mafia 9: Sega vs Nintendo - The Race for the Next Generation

    BN said he'd been blocked, and his will implied that was actually truthful. If someone else was blocked last night - I firmly believe that person is probably a scum joat with different characters for different actions. This makes the logic in me tingle happy feelings.
  19. Nightingale

    Mafia 9: Sega vs Nintendo - The Race for the Next Generation

    We've only seen Iwata and Itoi once each. I wonder if that is a sort of scum joat. Different characters for different effects.
  20. Nightingale

    Mafia 9: Sega vs Nintendo - The Race for the Next Generation

    Dreyski said:
    Are we dealing with a four, or five, strong mafia? I've gone through the writeups and Miyamoto is a lock. Active in the intro, every night (n2 might be flavour) and twilight N2.
    As for the other candidates, there's:
    Yamauchi (intro & n2)
    Iwata (n2)
    Itoi (n3)
    There are other names mentioned in red (Kirby, Earthbound), but my theory is that these are powers/effects.

    What bearing does this have on the game? Assuming Nightingale is right about Matthieu (and I will wait to see if he gets modkilled), we're down to either one or two scum, and our neutral faction. I may have to walk back on BN based on the flavour round Koji's N3 action.
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    Bumping this up where I can see it easier
  21. Nightingale

    Mafia 9: Sega vs Nintendo - The Race for the Next Generation

    @Tildey @MTR - now that BN/future are both confirmed red, what do you make of matthieu's insistence that badger was purple, his focus on purple as a threat, and his vote on grumpy instead of future; the person badger actually asked people to vote for initially?
  22. Nightingale

    Mafia 9: Sega vs Nintendo - The Race for the Next Generation

    Badger as a kill makes sense to me... sort of. After being the counter to future/bn there were no worlds he was red in. He was never being yeeted. Makes a hell of a lot more sense than Insaner anyway.

    I'm not sure what info you think you have Drey... but I don't see wind as town here based on matthieu's behavior. Info can be fucked with. Player behavior is always going to point at motive.
  23. Nightingale

    Mafia 9: Sega vs Nintendo - The Race for the Next Generation

    WindwardAway said:
    Ok
    Current vote count is 4 on BN?
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    Yep
  24. Nightingale

    Mafia 9: Sega vs Nintendo - The Race for the Next Generation

    I also don't love that when I asked MTR who he thinks the wolves are, his answer was two of what are generally considered LHF that I fully read as town and has no opinion on matthieu/wind.
  25. Nightingale

    Mafia 9: Sega vs Nintendo - The Race for the Next Generation

    WindwardAway said:
    MTR instead of BN? I guess now is a good time for me to ask what the case is on both of them.
    I saw that you mentioned both in your PoE and that you specifically didn't like some of MTR's recent posting and something about mech claims, iirc. What about BN?
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    BN boils down to:
    1) he tried to prevent a wolf yeet despite saying he didn't care
    2) Mazer had info that put him in a pool of players where it is increasingly unlikely he is town
    3) He was almost yeeted D3 and then an event took place that dropped all votes off him - to which he showed zero surprise - and then instead of going back to the player he'd said he was willing to yeet before he taunted badger who was suddenly in the lead for votes.

    MTR has gained my suspicion:
    1) he also didn't want to yeet the same wolf BN didn't
    2) he claimed he couldn't vote D2 but there was never any proof of that
    3) his read of Tildey feels like TMI to me
    4) generally in my experience players who feel like they are taunting checks are invest immune scum.

    And then there's the fact that from my PoV, Drey, Val, LDG, and Badger are all lock town. And Jarrod is the known 3p neutral.

    That only leaves BN, MTR, Tildey, and You.

    And I am like 97% positive Tildey is town.
  26. Nightingale

    Mafia 9: Sega vs Nintendo - The Race for the Next Generation

    MTR said:
    If you yeet me make sure you at least check out the train to help find the scum since they will take advantage to get a misyeet.
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    Who do you think the wolves are?
  27. Nightingale

    Mafia 9: Sega vs Nintendo - The Race for the Next Generation

    I kinda actually wanna yeet MTR instead now, but not sure if enough people would swap in time XD
  28. Nightingale

    Mafia 9: Sega vs Nintendo - The Race for the Next Generation

    Badger said:
    The difficulty I’ve personally now got is Wind now that I think about it might be on the level. Matt blatantly claiming saying I killed Maze was wrong but now I don’t know if he was just overconfident frustrated townand came to the wrong conclusion.

    If Wind is indeed on the level then that means BN, MTR and Tildey could be our scum team instead. Foxxi’s absolutely adamant on Val being town and no reason to disbelieve her.
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    I'm pretty damn positive now that Tildey is town. I'd yeet wind before Tildey 10/10 times.

    I think wind is a much better player, and he's going to sound very earnest and make it seem like it's all just a big misunderstanding... but Matthieu's entire last phase was *dripping* with agenda to make people worried about a purple threat that doesn't exist so that future/BN would be ignored. And when it was clear that failed he got pissed off, tossed out a random comment about you killing mazer and left - on the off-chance this whole thing *might* help MTR/BN somehow.

    I don't doubt he was genuinely frustrated and decided to walk away, but I do believe he would attempt a hail mary "nothing else is working, maybe this will"
  29. Nightingale

    Mafia 9: Sega vs Nintendo - The Race for the Next Generation

    You're also not going to convince me Val is sus. He is my absolute strongest town read. There are zero worlds where he is scum here.
  30. Nightingale

    Mafia 9: Sega vs Nintendo - The Race for the Next Generation

    WindwardAway said:
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    Cause I'm not sure why else Matthieu claimed that Badger was purple or why it was definitely a kill, my info doesn't say that
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    Yeah. I don't see that here. He didn't actually bother to say it was a kill until he stormed off. Zero point to trying to get reactions if you quit. And before that it was all just vague attempts to make purple into some looming threat, ignoring any and all arguments that proves the contrary.
  31. Nightingale

    Mafia 9: Sega vs Nintendo - The Race for the Next Generation

    Tildey said:
    EBWOP last sentence refers to interactions I’ve seen so far. I did not do an ISO of either’s posts before posting. So if you’ve got something particular fishy you want me to see just point me that way.
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    Nope, not other than the oddness about the vote stealing I pointed out earlier. I just wanted to get your take on him since you have known him longer, and see how you would analyze. I also had the thought that both claws and future pretty much ignoring MTR was unusual, and I really like seeing you voice something I'd been feeling but hadn't said yet.

    I also kinda think he already TMI'd you as town when I gave my break down the previous day and he weighed in to say he agreed that what little he's seen of your play seems town.
  32. Nightingale

    Mafia 9: Sega vs Nintendo - The Race for the Next Generation

    WindwardAway said:
    He saw Badger on Mazer, and I guess that makes sense why he was so insistent on it. Idk how he extrapolated that Badger would be specifically purple from it, though, I assume purple is a 3p faction. Has there been evidence of a serial killer or at least more than one kill on some nights? I'll check threadmarks in a bit but might be faster as a yes/no question.
    Also, I confirm he failed to target Night.
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    There has been zero evidence of a serial killer. We have one confirmed 3p neutral player - jarrod - and he has been town siding this whole game.
  33. Nightingale

    Mafia 9: Sega vs Nintendo - The Race for the Next Generation

    WindwardAway said:
    For context, this is quoting Matthieu saying Badger is purple

    ...Did I ruin an RT that my slot was trying to pull, or am I missing more context?
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    That's an abbreviation I'm not familiar with?
  34. Nightingale

    Mafia 9: Sega vs Nintendo - The Race for the Next Generation

    Val the Moofia Boss said:
    Hm

    Unvote: Badger

    How far from hammer is Blind Ninja? Not that anyone else is getting lynched at this point.
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    WindwardAway said:
    Last VC from Psycho says 2 votes on BN
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    I don't think discord is up to date, I think BN is at 4 votes atm
  35. Nightingale

    Mafia 9: Sega vs Nintendo - The Race for the Next Generation

    Yeah wind, your slot is poe - and my current very strong belief is it's a wolf who tried desperately to save his buddies by trying to drum up paranoia about our lone 3p - and when it didn't work he stormed off. Whether that is accurate or not, I feel for you. I wouldn't want to have subbed into that XD
  36. Nightingale

    Mafia 9: Sega vs Nintendo - The Race for the Next Generation

    Well I suppose I should give wind a chance to convince me I'm wrong.... so welcome wind.

    Though...I already detailed earlier why I am damn near positive the slot is scum. And honestly even if it's not - shooting those four names wins the game I think regardless.
  37. Nightingale

    Mafia 9: Sega vs Nintendo - The Race for the Next Generation

    @Tildey -- tell me what you think about MTR?
  38. Nightingale

    Mafia 9: Sega vs Nintendo - The Race for the Next Generation

    Which is a lot of words to say I believe the solve is BN/MTR/Matthieu
  39. Nightingale

    Mafia 9: Sega vs Nintendo - The Race for the Next Generation

    Matthieu's actions and claim just do not make sense to me from a town pov. If he'd thought he'd seen badger kill mazer then why not just say he had info badger killed him? And even if he thought that was too close to a claim so thought he couldn't - if he thought badger killed mazer why did he tell Insaner badger was purple when he asked? Mazer's death was very clearly a red action.

    And the only way seeing someone kill will tell you what color they are is by looking at the write up to see who performed the kill. So his insistence that badger was purple and his focus on trying to convince everyone that purple is a threat despite myself and Insaner pointing out numerous times that all evidence points to the contrary is.... strange at the very least.

    I dislike that he seems to have just fully quit, and I feel like shit that he genuinely was that upset.... but his focus on pushing badger and purple specifically feels like an attempt to distract from the actual wolves.
  40. Nightingale

    Mafia 9: Sega vs Nintendo - The Race for the Next Generation

    My current thought process is Val, LDG, Drey, and Badger are all town. Jarrod is our known neutral.

    That leaves exactly four players: BN, MTR, Matthieu and Tildey

    If we began with five wolves, three of those players are scum. We should still have one misyeet barring any extra deaths - so as long as we stick to this we should win. Ideally I would like to avoid the misyeet, and right now I'm leaning Tildey as the town in this group.
  41. Nightingale

    Mafia 9: Sega vs Nintendo - The Race for the Next Generation

    But not all actions have a counter per se. Like grumpy's delay clearly didn't delay the lightning rod - presumably because by the time it was pulled onto jarrod there was no longer anything *to* delay.
  42. Nightingale

    Mafia 9: Sega vs Nintendo - The Race for the Next Generation

    Tildey said:
    I had a lightning rod related question next because I'm not familiar with how that action works. Would all positive and negative actions be pulled to the lightning rod then get canceled out?
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    Sort of. Like we had no kill that night I assume because we had a doc action I assume, either a standalone doc we haven't lost yet or perhaps Mazer as joat. And since the lightning rod forced both actions onto the same player; no death.
  43. Nightingale

    Mafia 9: Sega vs Nintendo - The Race for the Next Generation

    And if it was a busdrive I expect it was nullified anyway since any actions that would have tried to hit those targets would have just gotten pulled onto the lightning rod anyway
  44. Nightingale

    Mafia 9: Sega vs Nintendo - The Race for the Next Generation

    Tildey said:
    Or maybe a regular bus drive and Jarrod/Badger showed up because of the lightening rod/mirror thing? Like if one or both of them were the original bus drive target?
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    One of those funky four people bus drives did occur to me, but I'm not really sure why if jarrod was a lighting rod it wouldn't just all end up there. But I also didn't devote that much brain power to trying to figure it out since I'm not really sure understanding *why* future was able to target the people is as important as that he *did*
  45. Nightingale

    Mafia 9: Sega vs Nintendo - The Race for the Next Generation

    Tildey said:
    Thank you for not making me dig through everything to find that.
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    To be clear, this is my deductive reasoning using the information I see - but no one has said anything that makes me feel it isn't accurate, or at least very close.
  46. Nightingale

    Mafia 9: Sega vs Nintendo - The Race for the Next Generation

    Tildey said:
    I decided to start by re-reading the Day/Night recaps to refresh myself to confirm who died when and to make target notes from the wills. I'm still struggling with the write-up format (chalking that up to not having been around for the discussions). Then I started with the posts at the beginning of this page which told me that I clearly need to start further back than I did. I want to go read D3 posts, I think, to see if I can get a better understanding of N2 fallout. The wills showing multiple people with multiple targets has me intrigued. Some motivator action on steroids?
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    The reason you are seeing multiple people N2 is this:
    Jarrod used a lightning rod effect, so everyone got pulled onto jarrod that night. Badger's ability did some kind of mirror effect; everything that hit jarrod also hit badger.... so anyone who had successful targetting actions N2 will have hit both jarrod and badger.

    Mazer also has BN in his N2 will because he has been delayed N1 by grumpy - so the action Mazer tried to do N1 ended up happening N2 but I'm assuming since it was delayed it wasn't forced into the lightning rod.

    Future having four people in his will I haven't figured out yet.
  47. Nightingale

    Mafia 9: Sega vs Nintendo - The Race for the Next Generation

    If you're caught up, I would be interested in hearing your thoughts Tildey
  48. Nightingale

    Mafia 9: Sega vs Nintendo - The Race for the Next Generation

    Drey, LDG, and Val are all town I am fairly confident. MTR and Badger both may be town, one may not be, but only one. Jarrod is purple 3p

    That leaves BN, Tildey and Matthieu.
    Practically speaking if Matthieu actually just walked away from this he is no longer a priority. If he's scum he's a scum that's no longer participating, having left the discord server and thereby whatever chat he might have had. Either way if he's really quit and not going to play he will either be replaced or modkilled eventually I would think.

    I'm going to assume he is town for now since him being scum would be best case scenario for us and I don't want to count on that.

    That leaves a poe of: BN/Tildey and potentially one of MTR/Badger - of those I would be more inclined to believe MTR is scum.

    Today we should be yeeting BN
  49. Nightingale

    Mafia 9: Sega vs Nintendo - The Race for the Next Generation

    Dreyski said:
    Thats was my thought as well. I remember seeing it in Justice League 2 (the Shazam kids) and Cheers (Norm/Norm's wife) but it's not exactly common. If CWE's will doesn't tell us anything, who could Sonic & Knuckles have been searching for?
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    I dunno? But it may not even be a character we've seen do anything. If CWE was searching for a specific player/character that person may not do anything themselves? And thinking on it, that could be why his will didn't have a target. If he had found whatever he was looking for and then stopped looking and died it could make people feel like the last target in his will was confirmed town maybe? I unno, that feels a bit convoluted even to me as I typed it XD
  50. Nightingale

    Mafia 9: Sega vs Nintendo - The Race for the Next Generation

    And Badger being red just makes zero sense to me.

    His vote on claws made it a tie, which along with CWE's vote that followed allowed us to actually get the yeet off - plus it's clear claws had some kind of vengeful mechanic. Whether it was last on the train or random, I don't see badger risking that. If it were last on train at the point he voted that could have ended up being him for all he knew, and if it were random he would be putting himself into a pool of only four other people with no certainty others would join - and indeed only one more did. Not great odds.

    Then there's what happened with BN's train which I already outlined... and I really feel like the complete lack of surprise on BN's part leans that action heavily into being a scum action... and why would scum drop votes off of BN and put scum badger at risk, who then panic'd and wanted everyone to vote scum future?
  51. Nightingale

    Mafia 9: Sega vs Nintendo - The Race for the Next Generation

    Personally I thought yesterday that he was possibly implying a roleblock on badger and since there was a lack of a purple action that night that was why he was convinced badger was purple, and was trying to use what he thought was legit info to save BN/future.
  52. Nightingale

    Mafia 9: Sega vs Nintendo - The Race for the Next Generation

    If Matthieu isn't just bullshitting then he legit thinks he saw badger kill Mazer. But I have no clue how he came to the conclusions he did.

    If he were a tracker and saw badger visit mazer, that could make badger suspicious - but it wouldn't mean he was the only visitor and there are plenty of potential town roles that would want to visit other towny players, so I don't see how he would reach full on war-path certainty.

    If he were a watcher and saw badger was the only player to visit Mazer that would warrant that kind of certainty - but it doesn't explain why he decided to say Badger was purple. Nor does it explain why he got so focused on trying to convince everyone that purple is a threat against all the evidence that says otherwise. Or why he wouldn't have just said he had strong reason to think badger killed mazer to begin with instead of that badger lied about grumpy.
  53. Nightingale

    Mafia 9: Sega vs Nintendo - The Race for the Next Generation

    I've been going over it all night in my head, and if what I think I know is wrong, and matthieu is telling the truth and that does actually result in a modkill.... what the actual fuck. If it does though, I don't think psycho would handle that in the middle of a day... so
    Unvote: Matthieu
    Vote: Blind Ninja
  54. Nightingale

    Mafia 9: Sega vs Nintendo - The Race for the Next Generation

    Maybe. But his will had no player targets, so if he was supposed to be searching for someone all he searched for was a bottle of tequila it seems XD
  55. Nightingale

    Mafia 9: Sega vs Nintendo - The Race for the Next Generation

    Wait, no. Claws. Claws was super mario 64 - which isn't on your list there. So if all the names are also players that would be five total
  56. Nightingale

    Mafia 9: Sega vs Nintendo - The Race for the Next Generation

    Well. I suppose that's a bit of guesswork. No idea what town searcher is - but CWE's will only said tequila is tasty, so I'm assuming whatever he was it wasn't something major powerful. And town delayer is negative utility - powerful possibly if they hit their targets right, but more likely to hinder than help.
  57. Nightingale

    Mafia 9: Sega vs Nintendo - The Race for the Next Generation

    Dreyski said:
    Are we dealing with a four, or five, strong mafia? I've gone through the writeups and Miyamoto is a lock. Active in the intro, every night (n2 might be flavour) and twilight N2.
    As for the other candidates, there's:
    Yamauchi (intro & n2)
    Iwata (n2)
    Itoi (n3)
    There are other names mentioned in red (Kirby, Earthbound), but my theory is that these are powers/effects.

    What bearing does this have on the game? Assuming Nightingale is right about Matthieu (and I will wait to see if he gets modkilled), we're down to either one or two scum, and our neutral faction. I may have to walk back on BN based on the flavour round Koji's N3 action.
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    I'd been operating under the thought they began with 5 - but this is a good point. I'd been counting earthbound etc as players. And considering we've seen 2 VT's and other than mazer the joat none of the town roles we've seen are all that powerful. I could see it being possible they only started 4 strong.
  58. Nightingale

    Mafia 9: Sega vs Nintendo - The Race for the Next Generation

    I am absolutely positive badger is town. I have information that convinces me of that - and if that isn't enough there is how D3 went down. Badger was the counter train to future/BN and when the votes were dropped off of BN it left badger in the lead.

    There are two possible scenarios here:

    1) the votes were dropped off of BN by a non-scum action - in this scenario the very first reaction of supposedly scum badger was to beg for future to be voted - who flipped scum just this last phase. I really don't think that a scum's first reaction to finding themselves in the lead of votes is to call for one of their teammate's elimination instead. Not to mention future showed up and put badger even *further* ahead of any potential saves just because badger called for people to vote him.

    2) the votes were dropped off BN by a scum action - in this scenario if badger is scum the team willingly chose to drop votes off of BN and leave a hypothetical scum badger in the lead - and no matter what alignment you think BN might be that is *odd* -- for supposedly scum
    Badger to then beg for people to yeet scum future instead. This would mean either scum dropped votes off a town BN to potentially make it fall on scum badger who begged for scum future to be yeeted, or that scum dropped votes off of scum BN onto scum badger to beg for a scum future yeet. Nothing about this scenario makes sense.
  59. Nightingale

    Mafia 9: Sega vs Nintendo - The Race for the Next Generation

    MTR said:
    Going to keep going here though. So didn't expect to see Insaner go last night. Interesting to see two vanilla town on the flips of him and PG.

    I was going to jump back on and talk more after work yesterday before bed thinking we were not close to a hammer when you guys took out Future. That was a little frustrating since I didn't get a chance to vote. Glad we got scum but still.

    So I am still not seeing Badger as scum from that move to Grumpy after BN was saved. But Mattieu is saying he saw him kill Mazer. Assuming Matthieu is town I wonder if there was some misdirect or something. Just seems like there was that lightning rod type affect we we have seem people target more than one person in their wills so lots of things going on and that could cause info to be wrong.
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    I do not like this post.
  60. Nightingale

    Mafia 9: Sega vs Nintendo - The Race for the Next Generation

    Matthieu is confirmed scum.
  61. Nightingale

    Mafia 9: Sega vs Nintendo - The Race for the Next Generation

    That's the furthest I've seen him take that particular AtE - he's still confirmed scum though.
  62. Nightingale

    Mafia 9: Sega vs Nintendo - The Race for the Next Generation

    Jarrod1983 said:
    I didn't play the last game. I don't feel like I'm sabotaging anything though if this is directed towards me.
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    It's not. Matthieu does this all the time - and then he'll laugh after the game about it was all just for the game. To be fair this behavior specifically is NAI -- but I will be genuinely surprised if he means any of that - he's become the boy that cried wolf with this particular stunt.
  63. Nightingale

    Mafia 9: Sega vs Nintendo - The Race for the Next Generation

    Matthieu said:
    Badger's purple.
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    Just in case anyone forgot.
  64. Nightingale

    Mafia 9: Sega vs Nintendo - The Race for the Next Generation

    And no. Cults do not turn themselves into lightning rods.
  65. Nightingale

    Mafia 9: Sega vs Nintendo - The Race for the Next Generation

    Not that it matters because matthieu is confirmed scum anyway
  66. Nightingale

    Mafia 9: Sega vs Nintendo - The Race for the Next Generation

    Did matthieu seriously just ask why survivor roles exist? And walk back on what color he thinks badger is? When badger was pivotal in turning the tide in yeeting claws? XD
  67. Nightingale

    Mafia 9: Sega vs Nintendo - The Race for the Next Generation

    MTR said:
    I don't try to get reads on people off d1. So many people me included just shit post or only half serious post day 1. I am also terrible at reads so I would rather try to get reads later on. I only sometime spread sheet.

    I got my vote stolen so while that doesn't clear me because I am not sure what action in the write up indicates that if any. Just wanted to throw that out there as I am reading through things.
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    Here is the post saying his vote was stolen - which interestingly was not his first post that day, this was his second post that day. And he never did actually try to vote to show he was telling the truth.
  68. Nightingale

    Mafia 9: Sega vs Nintendo - The Race for the Next Generation

    Jarrod1983 said:
    Did he? Honestly don't remember that but was too busy thinking you were Rufio, Claws was Pan and I was Pockets that day, so I didn't take much out of that phase.
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    Yes he did. I'm gunna go dig up the post, and make sure my memory is serving me that he didn't actually try to vote
  69. Nightingale

    Mafia 9: Sega vs Nintendo - The Race for the Next Generation

    Jarrod1983 said:
    I thought MTR addressed his statement and set the record straight that he did not lose his vote. I think he just didn't vote.

    I will say I've been getting scum thoughts about MTR this entire game. I need to catch up, I missed this, sorry about that etc stuff that he usually says when he's scum. Also not saying it's false and I'm sure he's busy, it just seems easier to use real life schedules when scum as to why you're lagging behind, I've done it before too.
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    He didn't lose his vote on D3 - the day you and badger did. He claimed he had lost his vote the day before - D2, the day we yeeted claws.
  70. Nightingale

    Mafia 9: Sega vs Nintendo - The Race for the Next Generation

    In fact... thinking back on it, MTR said he'd lost his vote D2 - but iirc he never actually tried to vote to *show* that. And we KNOW jarrod's lightning rod pulled in an *actual* vote thief abilty, which got copied onto badger because badger's ability used on jarrod caused him to get a copy of everything that hit jarrod.

    And no one had any issues voting yesterday. I expect no one will today either.

    I am strongly suspecting that was actually a one shot ability and MTR lied about his lack of vote D2 because it was a convenient excuse not to have to vote claws - and then once someone else was actually affected by it, it would lend credibility to what he'd said.

    Poe: matthieu/BN/MTR
  71. Nightingale

    Mafia 9: Sega vs Nintendo - The Race for the Next Generation

    I don't think a scum Drey bothers to come in and argue BN is town - no matter what alignment you think BN might be, that makes no sense. Drey is being town read, and with Insaner/peter being town all he'd need would be one more yeet not on him and he'd be golden.

    I think if I'm wrong on one of my towncore it's probably MTR.

    I'm still inclined to think Tildey is just town here
  72. Nightingale

    Mafia 9: Sega vs Nintendo - The Race for the Next Generation

    That was the last person I would expect to die.... the thought never even crossed my mind. He was the one I was least sure of... but I was still pretty damn confident. I'm going to need to re-think some things.

    Matthieu is still scum, of that I am positive.
    Vote: Matthieu

    Badger is not purple like Matthieu wants to claim because jarrod is our purple. Who again, is still not hostile.

    As for who I'm wrong about I still don't think it's Tildey.... but I need to re-read Drey and MTR
  73. Nightingale

    Mafia 9: Sega vs Nintendo - The Race for the Next Generation

    My bad. Sorry psycho.
  74. Nightingale

    Mafia 9: Sega vs Nintendo - The Race for the Next Generation

    As much as I would love to see a vig shot on matthieu - telegraphing to the scum where a shot will go is just asking for it to get redirected if they have the capability. So probably not a great idea. But yes, him begging to be yeeted as "proof" is one of his tells. I'd be willing to bet once people actually start looking in his direction he'll change his tune. He's done it countless times before.
  75. Nightingale

    Mafia 9: Sega vs Nintendo - The Race for the Next Generation

    Badger said:
    EBWOP scum Matthieu
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    Absolutely. This is scum Matthieu to a T. I have zero doubts.
  76. Nightingale

    Mafia 9: Sega vs Nintendo - The Race for the Next Generation

    We're at L-1 if I'm counting correctly. I'm going to hammer before the scum do some other bullshit to prevent a yeet again - and hope to god I'm dead before the next day phase so I don't have to keep attempting to mediate this nonsense tomorrow.

    Unvote: matthieu
    Vote: Future
  77. Nightingale

    Mafia 9: Sega vs Nintendo - The Race for the Next Generation

    Badger, stop arguing with the scum. He wants to provoke you
  78. Nightingale

    Mafia 9: Sega vs Nintendo - The Race for the Next Generation

    Badger said:
    Vote: Dreyski
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    badger. Stop. Please. Just vote future -.-
  79. Nightingale

    Mafia 9: Sega vs Nintendo - The Race for the Next Generation

    Dreyski said:
    It's a new writeup concept to me. I've got to take it at face value, otherwise I learn nothing from it.
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    I understand trying to sort out what it means -- but what you are saying is extremely illogical. It would make every single interaction between character names into a bonafide cop check. And thanks to the will system telling us who people targeted someone being dead wouldn't even stop going back to see what characters they interacted with and placing it to the players in the will.
  80. Nightingale

    Mafia 9: Sega vs Nintendo - The Race for the Next Generation

    Dreyski said:
    Yes, you leaned on claws and I'm grateful for the assist, and I respect the hell out of your skill (and persuasion) as a player, For the record, I think neither you or Badger are red.
    But if you trust your dees, why shouldn't I trust mine?
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    Am I incorrect in thinking you see who you targeted in the actual write up? I really do not think that is how psycho is doing this - that would be like having a bunch of cops. Every player who did an action could look to see what character they are shown interacting with potentially. Logic says that's extremely unlikely
  81. Nightingale

    Mafia 9: Sega vs Nintendo - The Race for the Next Generation

    And drey, I assume you think seeing another green character in your paragraph means that is who you targeted. I am fairly confident that is not the case.
  82. Nightingale

    Mafia 9: Sega vs Nintendo - The Race for the Next Generation

    Dreyski said:
    Well I'd rather not pull a Badger and get modkilled. Read the writeup for N3. Or get me killed and see my will. Whatever works for you.
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    Can we not. You are town. Badger is town. Let's yeet the scum future and have a bonfire, kay?
  83. Nightingale

    Mafia 9: Sega vs Nintendo - The Race for the Next Generation

    I'm saying why I think drey is town, I got you think peter is just derp town. I kinda think so too, but he's in my poe because other than that one vote on claws I have nothing solid to get a feel for him - and that vote was placed before I began pushing so there is the possibility he felt cornered into not moving it once I did. I don't think this is likely. But it's not impossible.
  84. Nightingale

    Mafia 9: Sega vs Nintendo - The Race for the Next Generation

    Badger said:
    I won’t tell you what to do but can only advise to be wary of clearing Drey.

    I’m also gonna say I think @Peter Griffin is inactive derp town knowing his history of always voting me. As scum I think he plays more stupid not knowing what to do but my gut feel inactive town not paying whole attention to the game.
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    I don't think claws fights that hard if it didn't matter, and again.. the likelihood that Void picked two red players is pretty damn slim to begin with.
  85. Nightingale

    Mafia 9: Sega vs Nintendo - The Race for the Next Generation

    I'm still confident drey is town. I think he is probably misinterpreting the write up post somehow - and leaning too much on that for info and not enough on player interactions -.-
  86. Nightingale

    Mafia 9: Sega vs Nintendo - The Race for the Next Generation

    Dreyski said:
    Well it wouldn't be the first time someone got a call wrong this game...

    That said, everyone gets reads wrong at some point. We don't yeet them for it. Despite this, Nightingale's defence of you was so vehement that I'm wondering if you two are in cahoots.
    And to answer the last part of your statement, I can't really elaborate, but I think I've a better handle on how Psycho is doing his write-ups than I initially did. Not going to discount shenanigans, but taken at face value, I stand by what I said.
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    Drey... I pushed my sus of claws all of day 2 and managed - barely - to get him yeeted instead of you... which should he decent evidence I'm not red. I am claiming deets on badger as town. There has only ever been one purple action and that player is jarrod - if you look up not long ago he said I had a wonderful breakdown of the players.

    I'm not sure what you are interpreting, but I am like 99% positive BN is red - not just because by process of elimination, but because of how he behaved during the claws yeet. He kept coming up with arguments not to vote claws, despite saying he thought you were both town and it was just a bad choice -- and then right at the end when it looked like it *might* have swung your way he showed back up and voted on you even though he'd said he was content having no vote.

    He almost got yeeted yesterday, and then with only a couple of hours left all votes dropped off of him - to which he showed zero surprise - and instead of going back to the other suspect that he had said he was willing to yeet - future - he taunted badger about moving his vote somewhere else. And again, I have deets badger is town.
  87. Nightingale

    Mafia 9: Sega vs Nintendo - The Race for the Next Generation

    Nightingale said:
    These people are absolutely NOT red:

    Val - Val became one of my top town reads back early day 2 when he made a post that was just too jumbled and uninformed to come from him as scum. He came into the day thinking the thunderdome was a scum action, and building a whole theory assumption of that. If Val were scum he would have known it wasn't anything they did. Val has also shown a complete obliviousness surrounding what happened to claws and how I was responsible for getting him yeeted. A scum Val would at least be *aware* of who was responsible for one of his partners being yeeted.

    LDG - She entered D3 with conviction in a way I have *never* seen from her when she is scum. This is a personal meta read by me, for her. She is not scum of any kind here.

    Dreyski - He was put into the thunderdome vs claws - and I seriously doubt that the people Void chose just happened to BOTH be red, but even on the outside chance that is possible, the way claws fought and the fact I met so much resistance trying to get claws yeeted tells me scum absolutely wanted drey to be the yeet instead. When you put those two pieces of information together it reaches levels of improbability for drey to be red that I would stake real world money on.

    Badger - I could go into a bunch of reasons I read badger as town - and I do read him as town independently of mechanics. But mechanics also tell me he is town. Full stop.

    MTR - mechanics. Town.

    Jarrod - This one... let me start by saying he has absolutely played as town here and that is why I feel he deserves to be in the towncore. This is our purple. Look at the wills of both Mazer and Grumpy - they have jarrod and badger in common - jarrod was the purple lightning rod action. He drew badger (along with most of us I imagine) onto him. Consider jarrod and badger both lost their votes - badger specifically said he didn't think he was the target of the vote thief -- that's because Badger probably has some kind of ditto ability, which made him get a copy of anything that hit jarrod. Which is why probably anyone who got drawn into that lightning rod will have also gotten results for badger.

    Anyway that's a tangent. Jarrod I suspect is a survivor win-con - we have seen zero kills from purple, and he has played in a way that is actively town siding.

    That only leaves:

    BN/future/matthieu/Insaner/peter/tildey.

    And of those I still STRONGLY meta read Tildey.

    So the wolves exist in BN/future/matthieu/Insaner/peter
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    @Dreyski
  88. Nightingale

    Mafia 9: Sega vs Nintendo - The Race for the Next Generation

    The write up specifically said CWE died as vengence for 64's death - trying to paint that as making purple dangerous is an extreme stretch. That was probably something to do with being on claws train, which is why it was separate from the rest of night write up. Why it didn't just happen at the EoD2 I'm not really sure - but CWE didn't have any target in his will for N2 so my guess is psycho just forgot to do it at EoD and wrote it in before the next day began.
  89. Nightingale

    Mafia 9: Sega vs Nintendo - The Race for the Next Generation

    These people are absolutely NOT red:

    Val - Val became one of my top town reads back early day 2 when he made a post that was just too jumbled and uninformed to come from him as scum. He came into the day thinking the thunderdome was a scum action, and building a whole theory assumption of that. If Val were scum he would have known it wasn't anything they did. Val has also shown a complete obliviousness surrounding what happened to claws and how I was responsible for getting him yeeted. A scum Val would at least be *aware* of who was responsible for one of his partners being yeeted.

    LDG - She entered D3 with conviction in a way I have *never* seen from her when she is scum. This is a personal meta read by me, for her. She is not scum of any kind here.

    Dreyski - He was put into the thunderdome vs claws - and I seriously doubt that the people Void chose just happened to BOTH be red, but even on the outside chance that is possible, the way claws fought and the fact I met so much resistance trying to get claws yeeted tells me scum absolutely wanted drey to be the yeet instead. When you put those two pieces of information together it reaches levels of improbability for drey to be red that I would stake real world money on.

    Badger - I could go into a bunch of reasons I read badger as town - and I do read him as town independently of mechanics. But mechanics also tell me he is town. Full stop.

    MTR - mechanics. Town.

    Jarrod - This one... let me start by saying he has absolutely played as town here and that is why I feel he deserves to be in the towncore. This is our purple. Look at the wills of both Mazer and Grumpy - they have jarrod and badger in common - jarrod was the purple lightning rod action. He drew badger (along with most of us I imagine) onto him. Consider jarrod and badger both lost their votes - badger specifically said he didn't think he was the target of the vote thief -- that's because Badger probably has some kind of ditto ability, which made him get a copy of anything that hit jarrod. Which is why probably anyone who got drawn into that lightning rod will have also gotten results for badger.

    Anyway that's a tangent. Jarrod I suspect is a survivor win-con - we have seen zero kills from purple, and he has played in a way that is actively town siding.

    That only leaves:

    BN/future/matthieu/Insaner/peter/tildey.

    And of those I still STRONGLY meta read Tildey.

    So the wolves exist in BN/future/matthieu/Insaner/peter
  90. Nightingale

    Mafia 9: Sega vs Nintendo - The Race for the Next Generation

    @Val the Moofia Boss
    @LemonDemonGirl
    @Badger
    @Dreyski
    @Jarrod1983
    @MTR

    You are all town core. I'll spend some time today making a post detailing why you are all town; but please whatever you do, trust each other and stick together.
  91. Nightingale

    Mafia 9: Sega vs Nintendo - The Race for the Next Generation

    Val the Moofia Boss said:
    Right now the only player I townlean is Insaner, but that doesn't mean he can't be wrong, and with so many people at each other's throats a lot of people are probably wrong. I am a little irked by Nightingale and inclined to scumlean her but she could also be a town who is wrong too.

    Badger could have been genuinely mistaken about Grumpy, but as Foxxie said we can't just take "I'm not scum, honest" posts at face value. Matt is saying he's confident Badger is the way to go, and Badger did get Grumpy killed. What I am trying to reconcile is this new direction towards Badger when we still have the unfinished business with BN from yesterday and he has been seemingly forgotten, and then there is future. That's three targets.
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    Val... I know you tend to not focus too hard on these games... but I pushed literally all of day 2 that we should yeet claws and not Drey -- and Claws flipped mafia.

    One of the factors of why BN, future and Insaner are sus are because of how they interacted that day surrounding those events.
  92. Nightingale

    Mafia 9: Sega vs Nintendo - The Race for the Next Generation

    Matthieu said:
    I can't claim though I'm confident that Badger is the way to go today.
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    Signal Boost.
  93. Nightingale

    Mafia 9: Sega vs Nintendo - The Race for the Next Generation

    One: badger is town.

    Two: any actions grumpy delayed - if any - were probably delayed no more than one night I'd imagine, so whatever he delayed N2 would have happened last night.

    And again, the most important thing here: Badger is town.

    BN/Future/Matthieu = scum
    Insaner/peter -- one of these is the last one
    Purple isn't hostile.
  94. Nightingale

    Mafia 9: Sega vs Nintendo - The Race for the Next Generation

    Matthieu said:
    I can't claim though I'm confident that Badger is the way to go today.
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    You were saying?
  95. Nightingale

    Mafia 9: Sega vs Nintendo - The Race for the Next Generation

    I repeat. Badger. Is. Town.
  96. Nightingale

    Mafia 9: Sega vs Nintendo - The Race for the Next Generation

    Wow.
  97. Nightingale

    Mafia 9: Sega vs Nintendo - The Race for the Next Generation

    LMAFAO
  98. Nightingale

    Mafia 9: Sega vs Nintendo - The Race for the Next Generation

    Unvote: Blind Ninja
    Vote: Matthieu

    Get off of Badger and onto one of Future or BN.
  99. Nightingale

    Mafia 9: Sega vs Nintendo - The Race for the Next Generation

    Badger said:
    Fair. I shall definitely take time to have another look as not wholly confident. 👍
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    I don't think purple is a threat. We haven't seen purple kill, but we did see a lightning rod effect that may or may not have made sure the scum kill failed, potentially pulling it to themselves.
  100. Nightingale

    Mafia 9: Sega vs Nintendo - The Race for the Next Generation

    Badger said:
    I know there is going to be a lot of questions and votes but do please hear me out…

    Okay first person I definitely need to address is Grumpycat I am very very sorry. I genuinely feel fucking horrible about what happened.

    However when re-reading the N1 actions I had jumped to the wrong conclusion and his pink GIF Claws post saying I was pink made me paranoid. It was a fuck up….just as big as if not more so in Mafia Universe Champs when I thought Marl was being sus and I shot him. I’ve had a horrible game so far and trying my best to make things right.

    I believe I now have a better understanding in my info and especially given what happened after Grumpy’s will role reveal my lean right now at the moment is on Jarrod. I am not entirely confident in this but given what happened with our vote steals I think I might know what he has been up to. I could very well be wrong and appreciate folks are not going to buy this right away but I have been genuinely trying to solve.
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    I believe I know why you lean to jarrod. But I personally think he has played very town here, and should be left alone in favor of the people I think are red, and only considered if working through the poe doesn't end the game.
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