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Mazer said:

He is King of the Three Realms. Claws, first of his name.

I think there's a good chance he names you grandmeister

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Court jester maybe

Mazer said:

I've played Kingmaker twice. Both times scum won. The first was me, psych, and Claws. The second is nightie, satsu, and claws.


I believe this makes Claws the King of Two Realms, and he now sits upon the Iron Throne.

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Technically he has played this game three times - the first was on MMOC and he was town, and town won. So he has a perfect track record in kingmaker.

Claws said:

all 3 of you have been very centred on each other and playing with each other but no1 is taking shots you get king and look the other way psycho sus'd you d1 and looked the other way but then you guys come back to each other its professional scum theatre and im not buying into it

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I don't think I've been centered on them at all. I've given my opinions of them both, and engaged with them, but I've not ignored the rest of the game by any means.

Ngl this gives me tinfoil....makes me feel like it was planned.... if we three are all town leaving us all alive so we yeet each other off a cliff at end game in paranoia feels like a very claws move. And considering I still don't think either of psycho or Mazer are wolves...

Vote: Claws

Claws said:

Listo - boring
Lora -bs lora shit
Lettuce - nnnnothing
Mazer - Headache
Nightingale - Headache
Psycho - Headache
Satsu - also boring
Val - alpha kingus
claws - Town

sum1 needs to take a shot at 1 of 3 headaches they are playin off each other way to much and theres gotta be scum if not all 3 of them but no1 is being bold

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What even is this? Yesterday you liked psycho, and thought I was fine while I had the axe, and now we're both headaches?

I really don't think this is a scum listo - I don't think he plays intentionally in a way that he knows is likely to get him chopped.

I'd thought listo was hero too honestly, that was the tinfoil I'd mentioned... but wanted to leave him in my pool of suspects... if I'm right and lora and psycho are also both town - means we're increasingly likely to have a scum king that might have chopped there.

That said, I still think listo isn't someone we need to worry about.

Mazer said:

Why? Was it that strong of a pocket?

If he doesn't die there, he has to be king at some point, and future might have responded at some point.

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He could have let you sway his opinion though, and he held it firm. I get the second point... though I don't know if scum psycho worries that much about getting shot by a king future, to feel that he needed to buddy up to him. Why future specifically?

I still don't think lora or val are wolves... probably not psycho either? I don't think he tries to pocket future of all people if he were a wolf

Well fuck

Fuckit. I'm going with my gut

Execute: Future

I low key hate future showing up magically right as I consider yeeting him.

I guess it's hard to care when all the weight falls on someone else

The lack of eod participation that is, not psycho specifically

And no one here at eod other than psycho it seems.... not that that is all that odd really, but ugh.

I double checked, future never did respond to me... and honestly looking at his ISO.... I don't know. I still feel like the amount of participation he's given is better than his recent scum games, but I don't love the content of his posts ending up being just tossing some sus out and then going, but I also don't think that is damning. He's definitely been better about engaging, not answering my question could just be having missed something, it happens, so I don't really want to hold that against him I don't think.

I dunno. I just feel like the choices I proposed have sat stale and I don't like it, but maybe this is just an apathy thing?

1. Claws - psycho, listo
2. FutureHold
3. Listo - listo
4. Lora
5. Llettuce - future
6. Mazer - lora, mtr
7. MTR - lettuce, lora, future, mazer
8. Nightingale - mazer, future, psycho, val, lora
9. Psycho666Soldier - lora, future, satsu, mazer, val
10. Satsu - psycho, val, future, lora
11. Val the Moofia Boss - me(lol don't axe myself) and mazer

These were the answers I got for who people wouldn't want to shoot. I don't think future ever answered me now that I look back at my notes. Lora didn't really either, but that is lora. Lora and future are tied at 5. Those numbers are going to consist of town - but odds are scum are going to list at least one person they are partners with and future and lora having the most people speaking in their favor. Thoughts?

VoidKitten said:

About 45 minutes remaining in Day 3.

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Stop pressuring me >.>

I unno, maybe one of psycho/mazer is actually scum here? I still don't think their interactions D1 make them partnered though... and I have no freaking clue which might be a wolf since I actually like them both right now.

PsychoSoldier said:

I wouldn't hate you for an MTR shot. Part of me wants to buy the "I'm not the right choice" stuff, but off memory I don't think he's given any kind of takes or anything this phase.

I'd rather wait until tomorrow for Listo, so unless you feel sure about it, I don't think that's the right call.

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I share these thoughts which is frustrating the fuck out of me, I feel like MTR hasn't said a whole lot, but what he has shared has felt... genuine? And Listo's stunt... I just dunno that he goes out of his way to be sus like that - and then have the balls to call *me* sus - if he were scum, knowing I can shoot him? Could be just a sense of security since he wasn't in my primary pool? But eh...

I don't fucking know right now. I hate claws today, but maybe that makes him actually town, satsu seems off, but the only person trying to even sort of defend satsu is psycho - so unless psycho is a wolf with him that means theoretical wolf satsu has teammates that aren't bothering to try to save him? Lettuce seems town, but I don't fully trust that read after the last game either? But then...I kinda feel like there would be more opinions of who to pick of the three if any of them are wolves... but if *none* of them are.... then who the fuck is?



Maybe I just shoot MTR/listo?

Satsu said:

I made a post where I said why i think toy lean town, Val because I can read Val in some way and i think I have him as TPR. FH is a tone read, dont know where else to look but is just like town FH from last game not scummy at all.

I don't want to talk about my feeling toward Listo at the moment.

Rest of my PoE: Claws Lettuce Mazer MTR is because I have a town read on other players. Those are valid kills for today. There are 2 scum in there.

I will tell you an updated list tommorow.

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So do you have a town read on me, and if so why? And if you do, why are you trying to imply mazer and I might both be scum to psycho?

I kinda feel less inclined to lettuce maybe?
@llettuce - how do you feel about claws and satsu?

Mazer said:

Would Listo typically be making more of an attempt?

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Listo... it depends. He likes to hang back until people shine the light on him, but he does that no matter what he is. The best way to sniff him out usually is to analyze how he analyzes vote records, but since this game doesn't have traditional yeets... my go-to thing to get him to put his cards on the table doesn't exist, so I dunno.

Mazer said:

I'm trying to go back and challenge some of my reads. Is Lora this taunting when he's town and has nothing? I remember him taunting in that one colors/wizard game I played with foxxi, but he actually he had dees that game.

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Honestly lora does whatever amuses lora at that moment, and gives zero fucks about how it looks. But that doesn't mean he never has motives.

I am considering a pool of: lettuce, claws, satsu. I will hear arguments for: MTR, listo

First the people I do not want to chop:

Mazer: I got a read of mazer early D1 that I have yet to see any reason to think is incorrect, which admittedly was bolstered by being sus of psycho and feeling like the two of them have not interacted in a way that is partnered - but even reconsidering my feelings about psycho, I think his play since then leans him town regardless.

Future: I touched on this already, but I feel like his play here has been more relaxed than I've seen in his previous scum games. He has offered thoughts and not avoided answering questions, though if claws is town I may have to reconsider him.

Psycho: I feel a bit better about psycho today - some of that comes from re-reading D1. I am still pinged by his focus on me objecting to the "vocal" bit and ignoring me pointing out I didn't mean it in terms of actual post count - saying he town read me when I had less content... but here I gave parts of my thoughts without going overboard and he thinks that's more scummy than nothing? I dunno. It still feels like trying to find an excuse to scum read me.... but I did like that we came to the same conclusion on lettuce and Tildey l... It has also helped that a lot of his reads and thoughts today have lined up with my own. His comments on future and lora particularly felt like mind-melds that made me feel better about him. I do share his tinfoil about himself/mazer/myself all being alive - which does give me pause, especially with the kills so far being... not necessarily odd? But neither stands out to me as "oh yeah, that person was a priority to get rid of" whereas we three as town are generally wanted dead by scum no matter what we've said/done yet....though it's possible I suppose in a world where we are all three town, that the wolves could just fear we've all been too likely to be doc/watcher targets for that reason.

Val: I have a personal read on Val as town, but even besides that - I think his questioning me thinking LDG could be scum off only a few posts - regardless of the fact that wasn't fully why I was sus of her - isn't something he does as scum himself.

Lora: This one..... I still think lora is probably town? His actions and behavior aren't really AI - I can see him doing what he did as any alignment.... but I do think a scum lora maybe uses his reputation to shoot someone.... that's not LDG. The larger issue I have with lora is the numbers game here. If we don't start getting wolves and he lives to become king again, that may not end well for us... but not something I am going to worry about today.



I may be swayed to consider these:



MTR: I don't really have strong feelings one way or the other for MTR. He's been here but everything around him is just kinda grey fuzzy in my mind. The thing that stands out the most to me about him is that he has continued to hold his town read of lettuce despite not having any real argument for why.

Listo: I almost feel like his I'm so town so so so town schtick is twtbaw? But seeing how future *just* did that, nearly getting yeeted for it himself as he pointed out - and then pivoted to being town read off it... gives me tinfoil.



The people I am considering:



Lettuce: I still think lettuce's intro was towny. I struggle to see a scum agenda that is like "I wanna fake claim something immediately!" -- that seems like it would draw a lot of unnecessary attention and ultimately not end well....but I suppose since she didn't *actually* do that and only said she wanted to... maybe that doesn't mean as much as I initially thought. Popping in at start of day just to say gee shucks we've only killed town doesn't give me happy feelings. I want to think her showing up to interact some is a good look, but I hesitate because I remember I had that feeling last game - that her spurt of posts analyzing the write up was towny, and it turned out I was wrong... so I dunno how much credit I should give to that.

Claws: I didn't hate anything about his D1 or D2 - which is suspect in itself for claws... and then today the "anyone but me" vibes he gave off do not make me feel great about him - nor does how he asked people to weigh in on me vs psycho - when he has said he is fine with both of us? He said he didn't want to yeet psycho and then later that I seem fine.. which.. I'm not sure if that's just him trying to not piss me off since I can axe him or what - but it feels weird. The one thing I see in his favor is that I think maybe a scum claws tries to push a king psycho *into* chopping me? seeing me gone D1 I think would delight him... especially if psycho is town and would end up being the one taking the heat for that.

Satsu: My initial read of satsu was based off being sus of psycho and hating how he decided to not even consider Satsu since I wanted to... which does lose some weight if psycho isn't scum... Satsu's responses to questions have been ~fine....But I am still pinged by him - notably that his participation feels like it has been limited to what has been pulled out of him. He never posts a whole lot, but there's usually at least a bit more that he offers up without someone having to prod him with a stick.

Mazer said:

If you get blood on you, you might get a nasty infection.

Best I got.


But I'm putting on record that I'm still peaked on future and satsu. Not to 70 percent yet. But they have things that make me feel are not organic.

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What is it about future that bothers you? I actually kinda agree with psycho that his play has felt way different than his recent scum games, that he's engaging in the thread more and just overall less wooden.

Does anyone have any good reasons I shouldn't shoot claws?

Claws said:

not me i enjoy finally getting to play

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.... anyone else? Do you have any leans on anyone as town? Or is this just a "anyone but me" thing like listo?

Claws, I'm still waiting for you to tell me who you wouldn't shoot today

@FutureHold @Listo95 @Claws @llettuce @Mazer @Lora @Val the Moofia Boss

Who do you not want to see eliminated, please and thank you

@MTR - feels anyone besides lettuce as town?

PsychoSoldier said:

At the risk of fooling myself, I feel if Lora was going to pop so early and without input from the thread, he would have went for someone spicier if he was scum. I guess you could argue he went for LDG because A) he thought it would be funny and B) he'd get minimal flack for it, but overall just seems unlikely to me.

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I did have a similar thought to this... that a scum lora could probably have gotten away with shooting just about anyone, and removing LDG could arguably be seen as a pro-town move. If I were scum I'd want to let her become king - she's likely to just shoot whoever rubs her wrong.

I kinda like this.

Well this was not expected....I would like everyone to tell me who they don't want to see eliminated first and foremost.

Satsu said:

Maybe making people live in constant fear for their lives is just funnier.

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You gunna answer my questions?

There's not a lot of satsu to re-read, I don't see the town lean psycho has on him from his comment D1

@PsychoSoldier - you wanted to dismiss my read of Tildey as just thinking she is town off mech talk -- and didn't seem to consider that I'd also had a deeper thought process I just didn't feel like spelling out (that that was more words than I've seen from her as scum ever I think) -- and yet your basis for town reading satsu boils down to mech talk. Why?

As a side note, I think the fact lora hasn't blasted someone already is maybe towny

LemonDemonGirl said:

Scummy King

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Eh. I kinda think this isn't something she says if she's partnered with psycho... so if psycho is a wolf LDG probably isn't. And if psycho is town he wouldn't know anything one way or the other about LDG... which makes psycho's dismissal of her other comment kinda irrelevant to deciding how I feel about LDG.

Satsu said:

I guess. D1 would be the best time to do this. Especally since there was no real pressure for him to go specific way so he was quite free to do whatever.

It kind of pinged me that he even considered killing you. Where I come from killing last game mod d1 is a big no no. Seemed weird. Was he trying to test the grounds if he could get away with it? That would be over the top if you ask me.

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So do you think psycho is sus or not? It sounds like you thought he wasn't but then here you're saying that him considering mazer pinged you. And no comment about me as the other option there either. Or that the only reason he shifted away from mazer/me is because BN called him out on focusing on the people who are more likely to engage. What do you think about any of that?

Though I can actually see another way LDG's comment could be interpreted that I hadn't considered initially now that I think on that more... so hm.

Satsu said:

How am i perticularly scummy day 1 into the game. Lol at this sus list. Did VK find nightingale on a chrismas sale or that?

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I didn't think you were particularly scummy D1 - but I think psycho is sus and his out of hand decision not to consider you just because I wanted to is pingy as fuck. In the same vein, I think LDG's comment was odd -- why on earth would she feel like RNG hates her? Does she *want* to be a wolf? And psycho also dismissed that -- gives me unhappy feelings about LDG.

Though psycho does have a point, my reads right now center around my feeling he is a wolf... and... that's not great if I'm wrong. Suppose I should go re-read.

PsychoSoldier said:

Actually, why do you have LDG as scum when you have no read on Claws? I feel like Claws has enough content to at least have a light read on.

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Because I hate everything you've said and done so far, and if you're a wolf I feel she could be too.

PsychoSoldier said:

It has nothing to do with how vocal you are. I actually have townread previous game starts where you weren't even posting content. If that was my argument, I would have said as much. You misconstruing that isn't helping my opinion of you

Do you actually think Satsu is scum independent of your read on me?

Why do you have Mazer so high?

And no opinion of Claws yet?

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I'm not misconstruing anything, I'm stating what your read feels like - which is I don't think you are genuinely trying to consider me. I use "vocal" here not in terms of literal post count, but in how invested I chose to be giving thoughts and reads - and you choosing to make it seem as if it was about posting or not doesn't make me feel better about *you*

I have Mazer so high because I think you're a wolf, and his interactions with you D1 don't feel like theatre to me. I could be wrong about satsu, I'd rather see you chopped first, but if I am right about you I think you just arbitrarily deciding not to consider him just because I said I thought he would be a good CFD no one had considered is sus as fuck.

Claws is null because I haven't seen anything that tells me he is town yet, and frankly I'm not sure why you think he is. Nothing he has done is AI.

I am pinged as fuck by psycho. He knows I've been trying to be less immediately vocal, and even telling him it had been intentional he didn't seem to consider that. Doesn't feel like he was trying to solve me so much as looking for an excuse I could be sus enough to chop and then backed off as soon as someone spoke out against it.

__Town:__
Nightingale
Tildey
Mazer

__Maybe Town:__
Lettuce
BN

__Null:__
Claws
Val
Listo
Lora
MTR
Future

__Sus:__
Psycho
Satsu
LDG

PsychoSoldier said:

I don't know if this is directed at me, but I was specifically talking about his performance in the Rajah kingmaker game.

But maybe you're talking to Blind.

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I was talking to BN mostly, yes.

Since when has jarrod ever done much D1? Hell, last game all he did was talk about badger. Here he doesn't even have that XD

PsychoSoldier said:

Why would you derp clear Jarrod? How did he derp? And Satsu isn't really that spicy yet?

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Presumably if he were scum he'd have teammates talking in discord and have been aware the game was going on. Though I suppose jarrod specifically may not pay that much attention to discord, but that was still my knee jerk reaction.

And satsu is spicy to me because he'd pretty much been ignored up till now.... and I don't like your town read on him.

I kinda wanna derp clear jarrod personally. LDG is a coin toss. Satsu is spicy... I kinda like the spice.

PsychoSoldier said:

Ok, but why wouldn't she be able to say that as scum? It's basically mech talk.

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It's possible, she has fooled me before with saying things I didn't think she would as scum... but I like it enough to not want to see her chopped today.

PsychoSoldier said:

So you're implying that you think her speaking about it is dissuading the Kingmaker from choosing Val?

I guess I can sort of see that, but she was clearly talking about the first kingmaker(which already happened) and was actively promoting him as a solid king for later phases.

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No. That's not what I said at all... I said I liked her concern about not wanting someone she thought would probably pick randomly on D1 as king.

PsychoSoldier said:

What makes this particular thought process towny?

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The concern about Val potentially just picking someone at random. It's not something I think he would do, but it would be more statistically likely to benefit scum.

PsychoSoldier said:

Still gotta get caught up. Had my girlfriend's family over last night plus wrestling ppv and first day off today all week so I've been fucking off playing God of War. I'll be in thread soon after my royal shower.

I picked those 4 because you were 4 of the most vocal that had anything I would consider to be content in any sense. I had some slight vibes one way or the other and felt others could also make takes on them without the excuse of it being too early or them not posting enough to be any sort of readable

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I wouldn't call myself "most vocal" - I've been intentionally quiet in fact. Not sure I buy this reasoning >.>

Tildey said:

I can see him being a fair king. I just don’t think he would be my pick for first king. I figure this D1 will be like most D1s in that we won’t have much to go on. When Val isn’t sure he tends to roll the dice. Which is fine, depending on circumstances, but if we’re gonna have a D1 kill I’d at least like the decision maker to have made a conscious decision and not chance.

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I like this, though I doubt Val would just roll the dice and not listen to what anyone else says - I like the thought process.

People I don't want to see axed today so far: Lettuce, Tildey

Tildey said:

• Claws’ posts so far strike me as more lighthearted than what I typically see from him which I find fun. I also find his comment about playing Kingmaker differently than mafia intriguing. I’m curious to see more.
• BN’s posts lead me to believe that Future is donezo if BN gets made king. Also wondering if his bastard kingmaker comment may be tongue-in-cheek? Could he be the kingmaker?
• Interesting to me that both Future & Nightingale have agreed that you’re a safe selection for first king. Future having said it before Nightingale does give me a villager-lean on Future.
• Mazer seems to have jumped in with an all business feel to his posts but not much in the way of content so far. I look forward to his commentary on the observations he says he plans to make. If his posts remain quantity heavy but content light it would definitely rid my suspicions.
• Nightingale is always a hard read for me. My gut so far says villager. Nothing in her posts yet that have pinged me.

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This is... something. Tildey, how do you feel about psycho?

PsychoSoldier said:

Come, dear Nightingale. Oblige your King.

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I'll like mazer slightly more than the other two, but none of them have done anything particularly interesting to me yet

*yawn*

PsychoSoldier said:

Yes, she shall make a wonderful court jester.

But how does one feel about the members of the House that are not already part of the royal court?

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I haven't decided yet, I don't like either right now but....both always feel sus to me, especially early game, so eh.

Satsu said:

Can Kingmaker self target? I dont see anything in a rolecard that would say they cant.
That would make self targeting safest option.

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Nope, kingmaker can't crown themselves.

Kinda think that opening from lettuce was towny XD

This king doesn't surprise me, it's a sound logical first king. If he's town, he'll think things through and make a rational choice, and if he's scum we absolutely don't want him king in late game.