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  1. PsychoSoldier

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    3puppies said:
    Honestly, I am relieved that we took out the last scum when we did. I was getting nervous about fibbing about the cop having had to recharge, when in fact I was limited to only 2 shots total anyway. I was trying to have scum put their attention on me, which would have meant that the better town players (everyone else) would have lasted longer. But having no result the next night could have been messy.

    From glancing at the neighborhood chat, it seems I rankled Nightengale both by my N1 target of MTR, and then my claim as she had pretty much cleared both of us by then.

    Given that my role was limited, I
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    It's crazy because if I had realized you were 2-shot bluffing, I maybe would have targeted someone else and had a better excuse.

    I think you played your role exactly right, especially since you were 2-shot. Only reason we didn't kill you the night before I got hung is because I had a hunch MTR was a protective. Though, him being a bodyguard means we probably should have just shot you on n2
  2. PsychoSoldier

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    rock meets hard place said:
    Well.... that's not exactly how I planned things. I think this was relatively balanced though in hindsight I could have done a few things differently, most notably getting rid of the watcher and/or giving the mafia ninja shots. There's a part of me that thinks the hood didn't fit as well in the 15 player as opposed to the 17 player version I first envisioned. Diva had correctly called out what I was doing by doing 3vts + 3 neighbors. I think town mostly won by solving the hood early and getting rid of the red herring. It also helps that scum were mostly inactive though big shout out to psycho for sticking in there for a while and Listo replacing in.

    I hope you guys had a little fun and enjoyed trying something a little bit different. I might have more to say later.
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    Forgot to come in and say thanks for the game. It was nice playing without the writers for a change, and I think some people who normally are a bit less outspoken really started breaking out of their shells a bit here(MTR and Dreyski felt like they were really coming into their own). I'd be happy to play another game like this.

    I think the neighbors with a telegraphed scum in it(most of us know what big neighborhoods mean) and either not knowing about the traitor or having some kind of untrackable action didn't help, but I don't think it was bad in any game-breaking sense. Had all of my team been present(including me doing a bit more early on), this game had the potential to get a lot closer than it was.

    We all make mistakes with balance. I fight it every setup. I think most people had fun and that's what matters.


    Also great job to town. Yeah, I wish things had gone a bit better with the rand, but that takes nothing away from your performance. Y'all were on top of it, took active action with the situation and didn't let scum escape being a wagon after d1. Dreyski, sorry I pushed you so hard. I legit thought you were towny as hell and was kind of surprised your wagon had any traction, and felt it was one of my only paths after how I defended CWE before that.

    It's also arguable killing Satsu was a mistake. Since he was a watcher, it worked out, but realistically he would have been a major focal point for D2 and we maybe could have had some more buffer space to work with. But hey, you miss all the shots you don't shoot ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
  3. PsychoSoldier

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    Mazer said:
    Ah. I can't see this one.
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    That's a shame. It's one of the best

    This one is required listening though

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  10. PsychoSoldier

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    PsychoSoldier said:
    Same energy tbh

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  11. PsychoSoldier

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    Same energy tbh

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  13. PsychoSoldier

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    Mazer said:
    So they wouldn't kill you n1 possibly, but that still assumes you have to live four more nights to make them all effective.

    And it's not as if you wouldn't at least have a decent chance to pull info the early.

    I typically expect you to worry more about a night kill than think people would play for a frame on you. You don't typically get lynched without dees or elimination.

    Cwe, do you baseline this any different?

    I would also like listo to weigh in.
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    I think you misread what I said. I didn't think they would frame me, I'm saying if I was killed n1 in the world that Satsu is scum, then it would look bad for Satsu. So I didn't think I would be killed n1 for that reason. I also have rarely been an early kill in most recent games. I'm not as high a priority and tend to live to d3-d6 nowadays.
  14. PsychoSoldier

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    Blind Ninja said:
    @PsychoSoldier Why did you holster on N1? Didnt you think you would be an early target for scum? If you have/had 1x abilities, wouldnt you want to use them early so they didnt go wasted?
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    Like I just said, with the abilities I had, it didn't seem optimal n1. Since they are 1-shot, I wanted to get the most effective use out of them when I felt they would actually have an effect, not just rely on a shot in the dark or potentially tracking Satsu to no action and learning nothing.
  15. PsychoSoldier

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    Mazer said:
    I do question the holstering narrative. Would you typically assume to live long enough to get out many abilities?

    I struggle to think I would want to holster in the same scenario.
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    I figured if I was right about Satsu, they wouldn't kill me outright because it would potentially frame him since I was pushing him so hard. My other actions are a motion detect and a track. With no obvious watch target and expecting Satsu to holster if scum, I didn't want to waste my actions without having a better chance of picking a useful choice.
  16. PsychoSoldier

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    Claws said:
    And if you "watched" 3pup then who targeted himthis play makes 0 sense imo
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    On N2, no one targeted him. That's when I used the watch.
  17. PsychoSoldier

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    Claws said:
    In what world does a town joat block the cop gtfo
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    I did it to protect him, not to block him. I wasn't 100% sure there would be another protective and wanted to try and stop the kill. Figured keeping him alive another phase was better than losing him even if I blocked him in the process.
  18. PsychoSoldier

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    CWE said:
    I'll say Val was boring at the night I was there...and Mazer was the night before. You were the first person who DID something. I was beginning to think we had nothing but a cop and me. And if you are scum rb... :squint:
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    I'm a JOAT to be exact. I watched 3pups the night before. I holstered on n1 because my abilities are all 1-shot.
  19. PsychoSoldier

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    Starting here

    Vote: Listo95

    @Listo95 I'm gonna need that vote analysis
  20. PsychoSoldier

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    CWE claiming a track on me is probably a clear for him unless scum somehow tracked me and thought they could use it to frame me, but that immediately blows back on CWE when I flip.

    If we're still looking for 2 scum, I'd start with Listo and Diva, and maaaaybe Claws. Considering there was a traitor, I don't think there would be a second scum in the neighborhood unless it WAS the traitor, so Mazer and BN remain cleared to me. There's still maybe a chance for a godfather that would bring questions about Val, but eh.
  21. PsychoSoldier

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    3pups getting no result was my fault. I jailed him last night as I thought scum might go for a kill. That said, MTR dying while I was jailing 3pups makes me think MTR might have been the actual target, but I'm not sure how rock would resolve the conflict.

    Dreyski being a traitor was a good flip, but probably doesn't tell us much as far as associations go.
  22. PsychoSoldier

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    Claws said:
    I wanna see this vote analisis so i think

    How about drey
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    There's a reason I haven't moved my vote
  23. PsychoSoldier

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    I still don't have an interest in voting CWE. I could be talked into voting Listo but it feels lame.

    But time is running out
  24. PsychoSoldier

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    3puppies said:
    While checking out what you meant by PR ( power roles), I came across the following description of Simple games on https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Simple_Normal

    I am more confident now that we don't have a 3rd party, but I am confused a bit about why we got a Miller, as it is not listed. It may have been to try to add balance.

    Additionally, that page suggests that most of the players will be Vanilla Townies

    Busdriver is not listed as a role in simple games.


    Do we agree that we likely have 3 scum left?
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    2 or 3. If there's a miller in the game, I could see 4 mafia being seen as a bit too much. In a vanilla game, 3 mafia to 15 players is the usual standard. I could see a Godfather being in play with the miller aspect, but that also could have been a way to counter a powerful JOAT/role combo or the neighbors. So 4 scum isn't impossible, but seems a bit unlikely to me.

    I also wouldn't rule out a bus driver, but we probably won't know for sure unless one flips or someone's messed with results leads to a bad flip or something
  25. PsychoSoldier

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    Dreyski said:
    I'll do you better than that:

    Me - I read my rolecard
    3pups - outed himself as cop, and no-one counter claimed.
    MTR & Val - cleared by 3pups. Either could be godfather, but let's apply Occam's razor for the moment.
    Seems I missed BN - sorry bud, I blame the drugs I'm on. Town lean simply for offering to thunderdome himself and LDG. Scum would more likely want her alive.
    Claws - Chaotic good - I've talked about my issues reading him, so I have to rely on the opinions of players I respect. IIRC, they were saying 'town claws'.
    Mazer - has apparently been breadcrumbing and admitted as much, but I'm too dense to see it. However, the community has given him strong town credibility.

    Psycho - Probably down to your flattering comments early game. However, I'm getting the vibe from the others that they don't fully trust you, and as always, you aren't as obviously 'towny' as the others above

    Listo - It's just a null read really. Void didn't interact and I'm not sure Listo has
    Diva - mainly dropping bagels and liking maths. (joking) But I think Mazer voted him to see who would jump on the wagon and it didn't really get going, and I don't really have a lot to go on

    CWE - in one way his typical taciturn truthful self, in another telling us to fuck around and find out. I'm just not seeing the usual CWE town tells (not that we them often, he's usually dead by this point in the game) and that raises my suspicions.

    So that's my list. Some of you might hate it, and I admit it has its flaws, but I'm sticking with it until I see evidence to the contrary.
    Part of me wants 3pups to be scum godfather clearing his goons while Void/Listo was the real cop. That could be a career defining play.
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    Hmm. Ok. This is decent, though admittedly I'm still not sure it undoes my read on you. Let's assume you're right about CWE. Do you look right at Listo and Diva or does your brain go somewhere else?

    Also, do you have any feelings about Diva's posts yesterday? I think if they had any alignment-indicative content, it would be in that batch of posts.
  26. PsychoSoldier

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    Listo being less absent than Void so far isn't inspiring much confidence
  27. PsychoSoldier

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    CWE said:
    Nothing that has set off alarm bells for me.

    Scum post, town post, 3 scum posts, 5 town posts, rinse and repeat.

    Standard Dreyski to me.
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    Does that mean you think he's most likely town or is it a neutral read?
  28. PsychoSoldier

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    Val the Moofia Boss said:
    Unvote: Dreyski

    Vote: Vote Claws
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    What about that post made you want to change your vote?
  29. PsychoSoldier

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    Dreyski said:
    Town:
    Me
    3pups
    MTR
    Val
    Claws
    Mazer

    Town lean
    Psycho

    Neutral
    Listo
    Diva

    POE
    CWE

    Vote: CWE
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    Can you talk a bit about why CWE? And elaborate some on Listo and Diva?
  30. PsychoSoldier

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    Posted that too early. I was gonna say that Scum CWE tends to have responses that outright avoids the issue and then clams up. Instead, he decided to vote me out of nowhere instead of doing anything to actually help Future or make a change in the wagons.

    Like I guess he's not a locktown or whatever but I don't think this is as scummy for him as some seem to be seeing.
  31. PsychoSoldier

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    3puppies said:
    I figured that there was a decent chance I'd be taken out because I claimed, and I had already made it clear I didn't feel great about CWE this game, so I thought if I was taken out, my posts would be looked at, and CWE would get the attention he needs. Also, I considered the possibility that scum knew that a cop was sus of CWE, so they might have bomb protected/trapped anyone who looked at him. I figured my best chance to keep helping our town was to look elsewhere.

    I explained why I think the people on ForgottenFuture's train looked clean to me, as the no lynch option was just as much a possibility. Before the yeet occurred, though, I had Mazer and Foxxi both as a little sus because I felt they weren't solving the way they do as town. It wasn't until I realized that both had likely been posting a lot of their solving/prodding in their own neighborhood, and their read on Future was solid.

    So my choice of targets was Dreyski, Void/Listo, and Val. I explained that Void/Listo's absense meant they deserved at least a chance to post. Between Dreyski and Val was a coin flip, so I picked and was able to clear Val. And I am glad I survived the night to share that with everyone.

    It seems to me there are at least a couple more baddies to find, and process of elimination means it is likely that CWE / Dreyski / Listo are the priorities.

    I voted CWE because he is known to tell the truth, and instead of denying he is a threat to town, he says kill him and find out. Dreyski at least gave an appearance at trying to solve and to sus ForgottenFuture, even if he didn't follow up with a vote. I just don't see CWE has done anything to help town. He may be 3rd party with a wincon of having to get yeeted, but I do think he is more of a threat to town than the others at this point.
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    My thing is appearances are exactly what scum operate on. It's one thing to say something, it's much more of a thing to act on it. Dreyski holding back any actual discussion/vote about Future when he was one of the main topics doesn't really read as town concerned with pushing Future.

    CWE has done the kill me and find out thing as town before. In that instance he's actually daring us to something about it. Scum CWE doesn't usually do that unless he's got a bomb or something.
  32. PsychoSoldier

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    Claws said:
    thats nice i didnt read all your spew dr scumbo phd in shading claws:thebirds:
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    Who else do you sus after I flip town?
  33. PsychoSoldier

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    Mazer said:
    As someone who worked through it with claws, it didn't feel more sudden than a normal change of mind.

    Claws was pretty active. I know he makes joking posts, but he was inquisitive on others. He never seemed set to me, and he talked through it.

    I don't see that one more than any other.
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    I prefer Dreyski right now anyway and would probably go for Listo or Diva before Claws, but situationally, I can't rule Claws out. Especially if any of those people flip town.

    I'd probably still put CWE above Claws, too, and just hope that neither MTR or Val are godfathers.
  34. PsychoSoldier

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    Claws said:
    this is rich comming from the guy who litterly last second flipped over dont be a hipocrit unless your scum then go for it ill push you back
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    I already said this and it's exactly why I'm not pushing you for it
  35. PsychoSoldier

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    Blind Ninja said:
    Kinda agree with her that Claws is likely town with the ways he's been playing/acting.

    Ive had my own suspicions on Drey.

    My POE, currently, is: Drey, Psycho and Listo (inactive VK slot). With CWE and Diva a bit on the outside. Full on Null read of Val (so can go either way)
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    That's roughly where I'm at while still thinking about Claws just because the pivot to Future did seem a bit sudden, but eh.

    Who do you think is more suspicious between CWE and diva? I don't really think either are scum but if I had to pick, I'd probably lean Diva after Future's flip
  36. PsychoSoldier

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    That said, a clear on Val is great if there's no Godfather
  37. PsychoSoldier

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    3puppies said:
    I am surprised that I survived the night, so thank you if anyone protected me. Then again, maybe the doc protect was foreseen by scum so they decided to take out Foxxi.

    I was kind of sus about Mazer, but after he led the passionate charge to take ForgottenFuture out, and it being so close to a no yeet, for now I don't see anyone on that train being dirty. Which leaves Dreyski, Void/Listo, CWE and Val. CWE already pinged me based on how he responded to my prodding, so I think there will be sus there even if I don't investigate him. Void being MIA needing to be replaced by Listo - I hope everything is okay with Void - doesn't give us anything to look at either way yet, but I would like to give Listo a chance to say something.

    Dreyski did give a list of reads that included sus on ForgottenFuture, which makes me lean town on him.

    So I decided to use my cop check on Val.

    I got back a not guilty result. Val is clean, like MTR, unless maybe a godfather.

    Vote: CWE
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    Any reason you didn't use the check on CWE? Usually I'd cop the person I'm most suspicious of.

    How do you feel about the fact that Dreyski scumread Future but didn't engage with he people voting Future/place a vote?
  38. PsychoSoldier

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    @Listo95 If you could run some vote analysis when you get the chance. It's early but with two chops and one of them on scum, I think there's some juice to squeeze out
  39. PsychoSoldier

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    BN, how do you feel about Claws and Dreyski? I know you gave Nightingale's legacy, but I'm curious how your personal thoughts compare
  40. PsychoSoldier

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    Claws said:
    Sure did infact im think8n your scum now for almost not showing up
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    I was at work all morning. I popped in when I could but couldn't camp the thread.
  41. PsychoSoldier

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    Claws said:
    You killed the fox but i wanted tp yeet her booooo

    Vote: psycho

    Have at yee
    He-Man Cat GIF
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    Did you think she was still scum after the way she pushed on Future?
  42. PsychoSoldier

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    Gonna start here

    Vote: Dreyski
  43. PsychoSoldier

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    Well, Future's flip makes me feel much better about Mazer. Assuming Foxxi was the final person in the neighborhood, BN also looks good unless rock went ham and put two scum in a neighborhood.

    Kinda surprised 3pups is still alive but assuming everything is on the up and up, that gives a nice block of Mazer/BN/3pups/MTR to trust in. That leaves

    Diva
    Claws
    Listo
    Dreyski
    Val
    CWE

    Diva's late phase posts about Future are a bit iffy, but not sure I'm ready to drop that read.

    Claws pushing pretty hard for Mazer and then swapping to Future at the end when

    I still find it a bit odd that Dreyski dropped a read list, including a scumread on Future, and didn't weigh in on the mounting wagon. And then was gone for the rest of the phase without placing a vote anywhere. Could be that he just couldn't come back to thread, but the lack of engagement with one of his scumreads seems more like he was doing it for show.

    Val is Val. Very minimal participation so far, though the vote on Dreyski looks good if he's scum. Wouldn't shield, don't think he's outright scummy but nothing particularly towny either beyond the aforementioned vote.

    I still think CWE is probably just town.
  44. PsychoSoldier

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    Alright, let's do it

    Vote: ForgottenHold
  45. PsychoSoldier

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    Dreyski said:
    Nightingale- neutral
    Claws - slight town lean
    CWE - :squint:
    PsychoSoldier - neutral
    MTR, - strong town lean
    Val the Moofia Boss - :squint:
    VoidKitten - null read
    3puppies, - strong town lean
    DivaSmurf -:squint:
    Mazer - neutral
    Blind Ninja, - slight town lean
    ForgottenHold - :squint:

    This is how it's going at the moment.
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    Is there a reason you're sus of Future but not voting there?

    Considering it was becoming a topic, seems odd not to engage with it.
  46. PsychoSoldier

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    Mazer said:
    I was curious about diva. Him coming in and asking questions was interesting. Someone could town read that, but it seems like that's been a fairly common scum tactic, so I was neutral there. And then it seemed like perfunctory and easy copying. And the vote was also potentially convenient.

    And I was curious about him immediately coming to me thinking it was "easy" and kind of ignoring the first vote being from Foxxi.



    After seeing him then go for mtr as shady, after the clear....I think diva more likely is not in a scum chat and is reading through a bit quickly and going with what pings them most.


    Not a hard clear, but I'm back to the other person I was curious about in my associations, and percentages.
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    That's a good point on how they approached MTR tbh
  47. PsychoSoldier

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    Honestly can't help but like Diva's catch-up. That's more than I've ever seen them give in the way of reads and interaction. Don't know if they'd have the energy to keep that up as long as they did if scum. I guess if Mazer is town then choosing their primary vote/suspect as OMGUS is maybe bad, but also not inherently scummy.
  48. PsychoSoldier

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    Blind Ninja said:
    Is it just the read development... or the claim with no counter?

    Do you think 3pups would be the person to try and bait a TPR out?
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    It's both. No counterclaim is a given, it's more that the way he came about the claim by being direct and early with it reads more like someone who legit has info and can't wait to get it out. I don't think it was an attempt to draw out the cop claim because that seems like a wasted effort that just gets 3pups killed when he otherwise would be fine?
  49. PsychoSoldier

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    Welp, I didn't realize how early deadline was today

    Future also feels a bit like a shrugyeet, but he hasn't had the usual towny presence I've come to expect from his town game. D1 was alright, but he's been largely avoidant this phase.

    Let me see if I can squeeze a catch up
  50. PsychoSoldier

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    Today's a partner day, so I'll probably be absent most of the day

    I'm gonna try and hash out how I feel about the rest and after catching up. The day seems a bit stale so far, and I don't know if that's scum absence or scum apathy
  51. PsychoSoldier

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    Mazer said:
    Psych, I am curious what caused you to change your mind from yesterday. I think you've missed at least two things that I would normally expect you to get. Which may or may not be AI. I know you hate when I push too hard expecting someone to get everything, but it's popped up before.

    To be clear, I'm still neutral at this point on you, but also want to know because I'm genuinely curious on your process this game.
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    I don't care about how hard you push unless I disagree with the read. My issue is that Diva was seeming a bit like a scapegoat and an easy target, and while I think Nightingale is behaving in a way that's very unlikely to come from a scum perspective, your hands-on pushes and being at the forefront seems a bit different. I liked you last phase, but then you voted Diva with no real reasoning of your own, only making mention quite a few posts before about how you want discussion of them and Future.

    No one else has stood out to me as scummy yet, and your progression on Diva didn't sit right with me.
  52. PsychoSoldier

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    I don't mean just volume of posts, though. It's the attitude and the fact that I can remember stances he's taken with those posts. He's been combative and making votes, as opposed to just kind of coasting and giving a playful, "I don't want to answer that question." Scum!CWE is limp. His volume may be light, but he doesn't feel limp
  53. PsychoSoldier

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    Nightingale said:
    CWE? Frog legs are delish.
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    Frog legs are delish

    But to be honest I don't feel scum vibes from CWE. He may have refused to confirm his alignment, but he also has been loose with his vote and was quick to question Mazer for hammering when he normally wouldn't on d1. I feel like scum!CWE is more clammy and less forthcoming with votes and pushes. Like last game where he was scum, he was hardly even around.
  54. PsychoSoldier

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    Trying this

    Vote: Mazer
  55. PsychoSoldier

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    Mazer said:
    Money where my mouth is

    Vote: divasmurf
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    Do you actually have a scumread on Diva or are you just trying to drum up discussion?
  56. PsychoSoldier

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    3pups seems legit to me and also I think the way they developed around their BN read is towny. It feels like he's actually trying to figure out the right way forward rather than stall with words or misrepresent town. I also just don't see him claiming like that so brazenly if scum.

    Dreyski still seems good, too. If it's just scum bullshitting some reasoning, bravo, but I think I see the gears turning a bit too much to be scum.

    I still think Nightingale's play, while a bit grating, is less likely to come from scum Night. I don't really like that she is refusing to give reasons for her reads, but again, I feel as scum she feels pressured to do so by now.

    Don't remember if I said it last phase, but MTR seems more engaged than normal too, and with the cop clear on him, I feel good trusting that he's not a Godfather.

    Still trying to sort how I feel about the rest.
  57. PsychoSoldier

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    A little sad Satsu's death prevents relevant "finish the story" memes
  58. PsychoSoldier

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    Mazer said:
    A good thing to then might be to get some conversation around people that they might think, and then see how they want to play it. Some people like to fish and some people might like to go through.

    Probably not all dees, but someone might want to be subtle.

    I'm still wanting to get some conversation around reads of diva. Dees would be great. Like someone like futurehold or dreyski. I'd love to know what they thought. Hell, maybe psych.

    CWE is likely to just tell me none of my business, unless he wants to.
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    So far I think Diva is exactly rand. They've mostly posted non game-related content or reasons for not being around. Considering the flips, it's possible diva felt comfortable and felt no need to vote either wagon, hence the no lynch. But I'm not sold that it's scummy
  59. PsychoSoldier

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    Claws said:
    Thanks im not selling myself on it really im more thinkin a mazer fox psycho mega colation team
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    I'm curious to hear more about this
  60. PsychoSoldier

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    Mazer said:
    Like all of them?
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    I mostly mean the ones that reached 2(as I think that's the highest any of them got), but it's more that it implies scum aren't really worried about the leads so far, so it's not the first place I'd look.
  61. PsychoSoldier

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    Satsu getting killed makes me wonder if the other "wagons" that got 2 votes are innocent
  62. PsychoSoldier

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    Nightingale said:
    Why shouldn't they be?
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    I read hoping you'd have a more specific answer
  63. PsychoSoldier

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    I'm actually curious about all the starting snapvote, because none of them are explained

    @Claws? @Val the Moofia Boss ?
  64. PsychoSoldier

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    Nightingale, why is Diva one of your main suspects?
  65. PsychoSoldier

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    Well, a town!Satsu being the nightkill is not what I was expecting.
  66. PsychoSoldier

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    Mazer said:
    Sleep.

    I find the LDG train kinda meaningless. If she honestly left, she's likely to be modkilled. And if it wasn't LDG, who we've already have well-worn biases for, I would give at least some more curiousity around an early train. But there's too many mitigating factors here. I also think she's MILDLY more likely to just leave as town, and I haven't really seen anyone make a real accusatory effort.

    I'm always glad to see a counter train, but again....this one is based off a train that I see as having less significance, and so I would only get excited about it if I had reason to be over 50/50 that Satsu was scum. And it's still fairly easy to write off.

    As it is, I see these trains as having less info than expected, and I can't really get to a 50/50 threshold. So I think there's probably a greater chance of a missed shot that doesn't give us much info.

    If you see where I'm neglecting potential information, I'm open to the discussion.

    It's a foolish author who only submits one draft.
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    For me, it's a lot about the way Satsu has been trying to force someone into the Abbi's Law dichotomy and just sort of emptily pushing for a chop without seeming to have any actual investment in WHO he wants chopped. The flip onto LDG was kind of the final straw for me, but I do also think regardless of previous bias, the pile-on to LDG has likely swept up at least one scum in there.

    I disagree that these trains will have less info if one of them is on scum. But I guess you're argument is that there's not enough info pointing to either of them as scum, hence why these counter wagons aren't up to snuff in your mind?

    I also care less about there being competing wagons and more about pushing for someone I think has better odds of being scum so far.

    Clearly you prefer sleep, but is there anyone you have at closer to 50% than Satsu?
  67. PsychoSoldier

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    Claws said:
    LAzy psycho saving a partner that would be spicy
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    Do you actually believe LDG is scum that strongly?
  68. PsychoSoldier

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    Mazer said:
    I wasn't thinking you were a tweener. I'm comfortable that you're a heel or a face. I'm just neutral on my read of which you are.


    But I will admit, this is a good teaser for your story.
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    Do you have an actual preference for who you prefer?
  69. PsychoSoldier

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    Satsu said:
    He died n1 last game and i already made my mind on today so whatever
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    If you have suspicion of me, you should vote on it, not give me a d1 pass.
  70. PsychoSoldier

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    Claws said:
    LAzy psycho saving a partner that would be spicy
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    the rock GIF
  71. PsychoSoldier

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    For those who don't trust in the LDG wagon, I'm calling for Satsu as a counter.
  72. PsychoSoldier

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    That actually didn't take too long

    Not sure I'm fond of the LDG train. Not only is it now officially under Abbi's Law, it definitely built up way quicker than any of the other wagons which doesn't sit quite right. Likely scum there, and if so, likely scum in the other wagons that got to two votes and stalled out.

    I can kinda see Foxxi's vote hopping as coming from a town perspective. I wasn't too into the way she voted Void, but I also think the more erratic and questionable she posts/votes without any justification, the more likely she's not scum. I think she tries to seem a little more reasonable/make up reasoning for her votes when she's scum.

    Satsu just trying to get other people to build up wagons before hopping on, presumably to use Abbi's Law to condemn someone, feels slimy to me. Maybe confbias but nothing Satsu has posted has made me feel like moving my vote.

    I think Mazer has been posting and trying to drive some content while also having fun, without really pointing fingers in any direction. Scum!Mazer is usually more suggestive. Maybe would be more concerned if any of the previous wagons do end up being scum.

    Dreyski is the only vote on LDG I actually like, though not for the vote itself but more that Dreyski's posting comes off like town trying to brush up their skills like he talked about around the turn of the new year. Just has an invested energy that comes off as towny
  73. PsychoSoldier

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    Been a busy couple days, gonna be catching up before the deadline hits
  74. PsychoSoldier

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    The thing that I think is beneficial for yeeting d1 in a game like this is we can't outright narrow down actions like we used to and when claims eventually come out we have to take a lot at face value. So if we don't yeet today, tomorrow has less chance to give the majority something to work off of.
  75. PsychoSoldier

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    Claws said:
    I still think mazer is the 1 im ignoring everything hes saying and he still seems sus
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    Why do you think he's so sus?
  76. PsychoSoldier

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    Nightingale stole my next move

    Vote: Satsu
  77. PsychoSoldier

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    MTR actually seems way more activated in this game then I've seen before.

    I'm not a fan of 3pups start but I always feel that way and don't want to kill him d1 on his first game back.

    I'm not in favor of a mass claim this early, though. That gives scum more room to navigate the claims and makes this boringly mechanical early on.
  78. PsychoSoldier

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    CWE said:
    Vote: MTR

    Highly scummy post.

    :sherlock:
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    Seems aight to me so far
  79. PsychoSoldier

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    Claws said:
    Vote: mazer

    All this talk is sickening
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    You're finishing the story too quick
  80. PsychoSoldier

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    Hey nerds
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