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CWE said:

Vote: pardon

Duh.

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Xanjori said:

Honestly at this point I feel its between Val and Morrison.

Vote: Val

I honestly think Foxxi was trying to deflect from/defend Val yesterday.

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Val the Moofia Boss said:

I'd go after Kareemah. She's LDG 2.0, a new player people are too squeamish to pick on and thus gets to slide by to endgame with no scrutiny. Perfect target for recruitment.

Vote: Kareemah

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FutureHold said:

i can see Foxxi trying to recruit Kareemah n3 but getting occupied because Kareemah used concentrated wine, so she picked Badger the next night who also died that night.

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CWE said:

Don't serve me wine please. It tastes like sour grapes.

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Matthieu said:

The cult are going to recruit someone either way if they gain the opportunity. Surely I don't need to explain how it's worse if two players are eliminated before that happens?

We supposedly have two butlers who can target me to keep me locked down at night, no? If that makes people feel better, then do that. It's the better option over letting me die, take someone out with my passive and then give cult free reign.

Remember, Kareemah targeted me last night so I didn't visit anyone. (Not that I could, given all my abilities are now used up.)

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morrison said:

he's saying if you were converted you'd have that action.

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Xanjori said:

Also if I understand correctly. Foxxi is claiming that if MTR has a positive result on her it was due to her being swapped. For that to be the case it has to be from a converted Butler or Wizard no? So if Foxxi is adamant that thats the case, shouldnt we be voting the claimed Butler or Wizard?

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Xanjori said:

The Butler does that one. The Wizard becomes Ritualist who

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Val the Moofia Boss said:

Welp. We are at lylo. We can't acquit again begin scum will kill tonight. The physician is dead and I am out of Icy Veins so I can't protect, and again it is statistically unlikely that scum will hit Future's jail target. Our one and only hope is to lynch and hope we got scum, which means when they kill tonight they don't automatically win because they equal or outnumber town.

Vote: Matthieu

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Kareemah said:

Vote: Foxxi

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Matthieu said:

Would there really be two of the same role?

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morrison said:

9 people left. 3 immune to conversion, at least two cult. that leaves, at most, 4 players flying in the wind. it's possible one of the 4 is a neutral and conversion immune, which would be nice, but im not counting on it.

i believe that was a double kill by cult last night.

can't help but feel that pardoning of grae was a mistake. he was right on the cusp of execution, was granted a stay and immediately that night two blue dragon are offed.

Vote: matthieu

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morrison said:

so i believe the starting king can only be good/unseen/cult, and in order to get a neutral or psycho king, a vote for a new king has to take place.

if that's the case, I'm either good or cult. if im cult, i blatantly told people to protect a confirmed blue dragon and neutral before we hit night phase yesterday, which directly gets in the way of my win condition.

though maybe i'm wrong and neutral or psycho king could be rolled from the start. if I'm neutral, my win condition is to survive, which means i'm not the one preventing the game from ending. if I'm psycho king, my win con is to kill everyone, and again, i asked for people to be protected yesterday. beyond that, kareemah says she occupied me n1. psycho king is immune to occupy actions, so she should have been told her action failed, which i don't believe she mentioned having happened.

you are really spreading it around, and it doesn't feel like it comes from paranoia or ignorance.

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Val the Moofia Boss said:

Still feels like town on town to me. I'd rather look at Xan/Kareemah/MTR/CWE.

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FoxxiMcLeod said:

And why the fuck wasn't grae the jail target. I thought the whole point of backing off was so he could be jailed

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Jarrod1983 said:

I can point out statements that obviously contradict one another in such glaring ways in whatever manner I see fit. I'm actually being nice with the level of frustration I have at this point.

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FoxxiMcLeod said:

We also can't win by not yeeting people. Every time we don't yeet someone, we go into another night where the person we just let go could be converted - and the larger the pool of players, the more room the cult has to hide.

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FoxxiMcLeod said:

So you pop in, vote for me, vanish, and come back with this? Once you are caught up I'm curious what you think.

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FoxxiMcLeod said:

This is a cult game. You all aren't thinking logically. Even if I'm wrong and he's not cult right now, if we back off every time someone is up on trial the cult is just going to run around behind us with glee recruiting every person who gets pardoned - because do you really think they'll end up on trial again immediately? No. People will squirrel and chase someone else. And even if he does end up on trial again - the argument he's using right now will be just as valid then as it is now.

This game is only going to be won for us if we can remove the shadows the cult can hide in.

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Jarrod1983 said:

This just baffles me. Kateemah is playing the fence here hard. She can't believe me and then kiss Matt's ass by being like yeah I thought this would happen but I don't know and I believe you. She turns whatever way the wind blows.

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FoxxiMcLeod said:

The prince could in theory jail and execute you to prevent an extra death if you really are the hunter, yes.

As for LDG - yes she was town. And you know what? I'd yeet her again. Why? Because this is a cult game as you keep saying I am ignoring. She came into the day and said she had done no action the night before. If we had all collectively shrugged and said "oh, okay then" - I know if I were cult I would gobble that up so damn fast. A player who will be ignored while claiming to do nothing? Yes please.

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Matthieu said:

Jarrod's at the top of my list after re-reading how things went down yesterday. As someone who runs games as a mod, he has a tactical enough mind for someone to reach out to and recruit.

He hasn't really been trying to solve or contribute much by his own admission. He wasn't even around this day phase in any meaningful capacity as far as I can recall.

What's most damning is how he's getting a free pass. LDG was the wrong move. We know that now - we have proof by seeing LDG's alignment. Today should have absolutely been a case of prying deeper into Jarrod given that things switched rather abruptly from Jarrod to LDG.

Satsu and Foxxi share a weakness. They're good at the game but they allow themselves to get too caught up in their 'gut feels'. Neither of them are looking at this game from the perspective of a cult. Which worries me. Anybody can have been recruited but they cry foul if someone is suspicious of them and use that as a bludgeon to pursue anyone who so much as looks at them the wrong way.

Which is why I don't care for them offering to be the hammer and take the hit of my elimination ability - and let's see if they even bother to pay attention to the risks I've outlined in previous posts.

I could say more but to be honest Dead Space's remake came out and I'm eager to get back into playing that. I'll be around and able to respond when I can but anyone who votes on me without acknowledging what I've been saying should be treated as a threat and if the game doesn't end, they should be taken out.

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CWE said:

No one has whispered me all game.

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Matthieu said:

That was before I looked at the overall picture and pieced together the claims/setup. Stuff I'd ordinarily look to more intelligent players to do but found to be strangely absent this time around. At that point I had also only really given the roles in play a cursory glance without really thinking much on the consequences of certain abilities.

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Matthieu said:

Except I'm not and the game is only over if this is an attempt to eliminate two players at once by taking me out and having someone play the role of a sucker and 'sacrifice' themselves to be the hammer only to die as well.

Which would bring us from 11 players to 9 players. In case you haven't noticed, cult haven't been killing players - how many could be converted by this point? I think there's a cap of 4? Let's assume the worst, that the cult has reached the cap. 9 minus 4 equals 5 players.

The cult can kill two players at once at night, which brings it down to 3 players and that is game over.

So, yeah, none of you have commented anything along these lines. You haven't responded to my questions. You haven't discussed my night actions.

This is a pretty classic sign of just trying to pick easy targets (LDG and me) for an unjust elimination without ever truly being willing to look at different angles or discuss what is going on.

So I'm on trial. Actually discuss the game, please. Not this evasive nonsense.

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Xanjori said:

Kareemah do you know if your actions succeeded or not?

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Satsu said:

I am immune to bleeds. Good you wasted it on me.

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Jarrod1983 said:

Yeah, I'm failing hard in keeping up. Why I've just been throwing stuff at the wall.

Vote me and execute me and then I'd like to hear your reasoning as to why you should be trusted. You've called for my head the last bit and on my son I am not cult, haven't been converted and yeah I suck and can't really prove any of it. I'm telling everyone though, I'm going to get mislynched here. Whoever is hard pushing me should be up next, if the game continues and my death doesn't win this for the cult.

So vote me. Execute me. Then I want to see how you reason that you are still to be trusted.

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Matthieu said:

If Jarrod were trustworthy, he wouldn't use his ability so recklessly but anyone converted could easily fake results for their previous role knowing how it works.

We don't know how many people the cult have successfully recruited - or we do and I'm too dumb to work it out but hopefully someone else can figure out the potential. Either way, given that both Kareemah and myself can take out players with our role if we see fit then I'm thinking this is a case of 'please, please back off and just put the same blind trust in me that you're clearly putting into others for reasons I cannot comprehend'.

Unless you want to lose/can't be trusted.

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Jarrod1983 said:

Also the butler is always guilty right? Especially the lonesome one.

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Jarrod1983 said:

I'm the drunk. You are wrong. Don't be wrong or be wrong just not with the person that's telling you flat out you are making a bad choice.

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Jarrod1983 said:

Are we still cutting FutureHold slack? I still feel like he's up to no good. I might put Future, Kareemah and LDG on my shit list in no particular order.

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Jarrod1983 said:

@Matthieu @FoxxiMcLeod @FutureHold @LemonDemonGirl @MTR @morrison @CWE @Xanjori @Kareemah

Everyone not voting or voting me, there are better options out there. Voting me is wasting town time and not helping the good guys at all.

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Jarrod1983 said:

Yes but I asked that question before the unvote.

You unvoting and then jumping back on me because you don't want to read feels off. I don't blame you on the reading part but maybe you unvoted and a cult teammate said no stay on Jarrod so you backtracked.

What are you plotting in your private chat?

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Jarrod1983 said:

Going to ignore my question of why vote for me?

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Jarrod1983 said:

Oh well.

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Jarrod1983 said:

Well I'm the drunk.

N1 I did nothing because I thought my actions were limited.

N2 I took Vals action and put it on CWE.

N3 I made Xanjori target himself.

N4 I took Satsu's action and put it on Kareemah.

N5 I took Matthieu's action and put it on LemonDemonGirl.

Each action was accompanied by a fun drunk gif.

Once again, Everyone voting me is an idiot and I mean that in the nicest way possible.

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Jarrod1983 said:

This reeks of piling on.

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Kareemah said:

What is this fire do I do that

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Satsu said:

Please make a logbook. Say who you are and what you did in it. this game is balanced around players doing tis.

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Satsu said:

Prince should be looking for a reaper, maybe they like your profile pic

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Kareemah said:

Same

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CWE said:

I did nothing other than await death. It didn't show up. Yet.

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CWE said:

So people stop questioning me indirectly...

I am the alchemist. Cult can't convert me.

Now you know what the wheel of fortune answer was.

I am the alchemist and I am going to heal foxxi tonight. (last night)

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PsychoSoldier said:

Also, as soon as Foxxi picked Listo, a lot of people followed suit again. Barring any recent conversions, I trust Badger still, and I think MTR's reaction to the possibility of CWE having info was really towny. I feel like Val has been a little extra aggressive this phase which I feel like I see more often from scum!Val. Kareemah just following along isn't a great look either, but she does get the new player buffer.

I think Foxxi has it right with Xan that pulling this off as scum has a lot of opportunity to blow up in his face, and came out too quickly to feel like something really thought out like he would probably do as scum. I also feel like the restriction is legit and came from someone trying to make him look worse.

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Satsu said:

rip king then

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Satsu said:

King is cult if you ask me but what can i know.

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Satsu said:

I was asking about a feedback to atacker not to victim.

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FoxxiMcLeod said:

I know you asked listo - but I can tell you; I was informed I was bleeding by the mod, at the beginning of N2. I presume if someone is immune then they get told nothing.

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CWE said:

Again.

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FoxxiMcLeod said:

First, I have a good guess, but nothing concrete, it's the person who healed me that knows they did thanks to the feedback this game - healers are told if they stopped someone from dying. Secondly, why would I do this? And why would you even ask?

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FoxxiMcLeod said:

Except I was absolutely bleeding, and was healed. And the person who healed me knows they kept me alive. So either you are deliberately trying to pull something- or you are just flat wrong. And again, the fact I was already beginning to be suspicious of you, and now suddenly this... I am now extremely suspicious. The only thing giving me pause right now is that it feels too badly executed.

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CWE said:

I'm leaning execute.

Someone tell me otherwise.

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Badger said:

Okay now that you’re on trial LDG, let’s hear some names on who you think is sus before we make our final decision.

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FoxxiMcLeod said:

It was initially the vibe of the two claims. Kareemah's comes from a place that feels legit - if she'd been converted she would no longer have the ability to poison the king - so her focus on him - plus later offering to follow through on that possibility strikes me as genuine. As for LDG - the literal only reason to sus her before was poe, and she's often in the poe because of her playstyle. But I really can't think of who else I would suspect at this point. And then she claimed she forgot her action N1, when D2 began early... and that has me raising a brow.

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Badger said:

Who said I disbelieved you? I just found the claim interesting and worth pondering.

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PsychoSoldier said:

Also, I figured you were the butler when you hinted at being able to poison the king.

Fwiw, I think Morrison is probably fine.

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MTR said:

Well before the claim I was already leaning town for Kareemah and yeah I am sticking with that.

I don't think Badger is cult but not sure if they are town or neutral.

I think Foxxi and CWE are town.

Not sure what to think of others just yet. Struggling to keep up today. Stupid work.

And yeah as mentioned above Diva has covid so not sure how much we will see them this day phase. They are staying somewhere else to make sure the rest of us don't catch it.

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FoxxiMcLeod said:

This is an awful idea. For one thing, if the rest of us are right and he is a good king - YOU also will die. But frankly, the fact you're even offering to do this leans you more town to me.

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Badger said:

Tbf we have had newbies come in and pull this act before. Nothing personal, just wary.

Tbf we’ve had that act before from newbies so not out of the woods yet in my eyes. But at least you’re talking.

I’m gonna hang fire and see if LDG gives us more details on her action.

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Badger said:

Tbf we have had newbies come in and pull this act before. Nothing personal, just wary.

Tbf we’ve had that act before from newbies so not out of the woods yet in my eyes. But at least you’re talking.

I’m gonna hang fire and see if LDG gives us more details on her action.

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Badger said:

That’s an interesting claim…

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PsychoSoldier said:

Again, my hesitance with kareemah is how on the nose it would be with Claws' claim

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Badger said:

I didn’t see Diva mention Covid so wasn’t aware.

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PsychoSoldier said:

Foxxi's coming to a lot of the same conclusions I was as I was looking back over the last phase. Claws honestly spews a lot of people as non-cult. I do think the votes/push on Jarrod is the weakest out of the bunch, but overall the timing makes me think they aren't aligned.

Not Cult: Xan, Jarrod, MTR, Badger, Foxxi, Blind, Grae, Diva, Val

Some of those(Foxxi and Badger primarily, Probably Blind, Xan, Grae) I think are town regardless.

That leaves: morri, LDG, Kareemah, CWE, Future, Listo

I think morri is probably clean, but I think mechanically he could have been Mazer's partner and Claws was the recruit, so it's worth considering.

CWE just today voting me has me second guessing, but I also don't exactly think he's playing like he was recruited N1. I have suspicions about him being neutral though.

Future had a couple posts and vote timings that made me hmmmm, and the only thing holding me back is the pardon would probably be too blatant.

Listo seems more likely to be a neutral trying to be helpful to stay alive without drawing too much nightkill attention by suspecting people.

Kareemah is interesting because I think Claws saying that was his paladin target may be too on the nose? But then kareemah's vote on Xan was interesting timing, especially since it came as some pressure was building on Claws. I'm really torn there.

LDG is a complete neutral and as many have said would be a smart conversion pick.

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VoidKitten said:

Vote: Unvote cwe
Vote Count:

2 - DivaSmurf (Badger #652, Matthieu #665)
1 - Jarrod (CWE #643)
1 - CWE (Kareemah #646)
1 - Val (Listo #648)

With 16 players alive, majority for nomination is 9 votes on a single player.

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Badger said:

Vote: Divasmurf

Said she would check in after being questioned and voting for Claws. That was days ago.

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Badger said:

Sounded mocking but for now it is merely noted. At least Kareemah is talking.

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