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I should know by Monday if I will be able to commit the time I feel this deserves. I am having health issues, and while this may be a useful distraction, I have a pesky boss who also wants me to get some work done from time to time. Respectfully decline for now.

Foxxi said:

Whelp. That was my mafia game for the year. Time for this fox to hibernate again

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Foxxi, you deserve the town MVP, because as a vanilla townie you had nothing to go on but your impressive skills.

Blind Ninja said:

Like I said in my post death comment, by that point my job was done. Helped with 2 lynches and got a major protect done. Would say well played on my part, even if it resulted in my death

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Definitely well played on your part. I consider your vote on psycho to have just been bad luck for the mafia team, but you and Foxxi were too much for me to overcome, despite Claws' over-acted efforts to seem scummy. You both saw through my fake jailor claim.

How common is it for town to get through a game without ANY town misyeets?

Thanks, Handy for running this game, and allowing me to play. Sorry I almost forgot we were given the opportunity to make a single post-death non-game related post, in the game thread. So here goes.

I didn't want to deprive you all of one more long-ass post, while probably nobody's going to read it anyway. Somehow, I feel that Handium will be revoking the after-game-death posting privilege for me if he ever decides to host another game.

If it's not too late, let me tell you all about this weekend's couponing haul.

60 packages Tide Pods (12-16 count) laundy detergent
80 bottles (28 oz Tressemme Shampoo/Conditioner
64 3-pack Irish Spring bar soap
43 six-pack Nature Valley bars
72 Colgate Toothpaste
15 toothbrushes (2pk)
40 Elvive shampoo/conditioner
18 Garnier Shampoo/conditioner
30 Suave shampoo/conditioner
24 feminine care pads/liners
36 Nivea Body Wash
18 Nivea lotion
28 Eucerin lotion
24 Aquaphor lip care (2pk)
2 books forever postage stamps
9 bags candy
2 dozen eggs
6 pints Ben & Jerry's
2 frozen pizzas
54 boxes Kelloggs cereal
12 pairs winter gloves
8 winter hats

Some other stuff I have probably forgotten, but will make a small difference at the various shelters/food pantries.

Net cost was under $14 on gift cards, but I did burn through quite a pile of "no expiration date" coupons

One of my favorite cashiers is leaving the country, he is moving to South America. I am happy for him as his home life hasn't been great since his mom passed, so he's getting a fresh start and he will be using his degree. I have known him for probably 5 or six years, we've talked about my donations, etc. I am sure I am a memorable customer, as there aren't many people who regularly get cartloads of stuff for basically nothing. I know there are a few, but most of the other couponers end up re-selling their stuff online or at flea markets, etc. I've shared with him the stories of the women at the shelter who are so very appreciative of the personal care items I bring them each month. Anyway, since he is leaving, he asked me for a hug before he left, and I was happy to give him one. I told him I was certain he will do well wherever he goes, and it would be an honor to catch up with him again if he returns for a holiday season.

One thing I like to do is to randomly give away extra coupons to other shoppers. I had a few $5 off a $20 purchase coupons, and folks are delighted to save a few boxes. I usually tell them I won't use them, and it's a nice thing to be kind to someone, because I am sure they've done something nice for someone so they deserve it. I gave one of these to a woman buying a few things, including a package of Reese's PB Easter Eggs. I happened to notice that and told her those were buy one, get a second for only a dollar. So she said sure, she'd take a second, and I gave her another coupon. I had saved her ten bucks.

After her transaction, she asked me if I had grandkids, and would I like the second package. While I told her no, I don't have grandkids, but I donate all this stuff to the women's shelter and they'd be delighted to get candy. It was certainly unexpected, and very nice of her to do that, but part of me wondered exactly how old do I look now? She said grandkids, not kids. I was honestly a bit startled. I guess I have a bit more grey in the beard than I used to.

Then I got home to read an email from my younger brother, who became a grandfather yesterday He sent a picture, and damn, he looks old. So I am not just an uncle, I AM GREAT!

I have to take it slower when it comes to unloading my van after all the shopping. I've been getting extremely winded / unable to keep going with any modest physical activity lately. After a few dozen trips up and down the basement stairs carrying all that stuff, I have to take a break. When this happens at 11 PM at night, it is rough, because I need to get some stuff in the fridge/freezer etc. But I made it through, and I have an appointment with the cardiologist on Thursday. Please send kind thoughts my way as I am getting nervous about the whole thing.

Vote: Voidkitten

Even if you are a 3rd party, we don't know that you're a survivor. I will go with Foxxi's thoughts about your inactivity. Hopefully a few more folks vote to save me so Grumpy or anyone else can verify me.

I have only skimmed what's been going on, as I mentioned weekends are tough for me.

Unvote: Sleep

I recognize sleeping won't help. We need solid information, and vote history will be useful later.

Future hasn't responded to my question, but I get I haven't earned that trust yet.

I see Grumpy is claiming the role I need to get myself confirmed as town/jailor, and I welcome the investigation into me should I hopefully survive today.

I will happily vote either Future, Claws, or void today, as a self preservation vote. I still think Grumpy is more likely scum and am reserving suspicion on pretty much everyone. But I need Grumpy to verify my role.

Grumpy mentioned concern that I would jail them tonight. I won't do that, because I need them to help prove I am who I say I am.

So I will
Vote: Self preservation ,

and I will jail one of the remaining people in the POE tonight if I live.

Blind Ninja said:

Sleep is terrible on D2. Its typically a good call in final 4-5 with 1 scum left, as it allows the remaining players to narrow their PoE.

And the, Look at those pushing me...
BN - you claimed to have jailed, so cant be the scum killer.
Foxxi - who has pushed conversation and contributed
Grumpy - only one pushing you Id be willing to look at this easrly

In knowing you have little to no time to play over the weekend, why did you have only 4 posts this gameday leading to this point? Day has been going about 12hrs. Only person youve pushed towards is Grumpy.



So do you now not trust foxxi or myself to be town?

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I had 4 posts this game day with far more thoughts about EVERYONE than just about everyone else except maybe Foxxi. Quality of the posts matters, not quantity. I also had a lot going on at work.

I don't trust you fully because you admitted you'd vote a scum teammate on D1 for cred. I honestly hadn't considered that.

And I don't fully trust Foxxi because she hasn't claimed, she did not vote for psycho either, and of course the fact that she's wrong about me - again. Plus a little OMGUS.

I'm getting pushed solely because something "feels" scummy, but you can't really say what. I get there's nothing solid to go on, and you want to push someone.

It just sucks when under the circumstances, knowing the only thing I know is my own role, and I am looking at a potential early exit again, when it's just plain flat out wrong. And it bugs me that I am saying this with only a few votes on me right now, knowing that because of the weekend I won't be around enough to hopefully convince a enough people to at least wait another day so someone can exonerate me.

There HAS to be someone with an alignment check role, because basically it said so in psycho's role filp.

The weekend is approaching, and I won't have much availability to defend myself further. I don't fully understand why I am a target, but it seems only because there's nobody else sharing. Somebody must have an ability to investigate me. Future, did you track me when I visited/jailed BN? Or were you watching BN to see who would show up?

I know I am town. Let me prove myself. Since we are ahead 8-2-1, does it make sense to vote sleep now, and please somebody investigate me tonight? Clearly, I want to remain hopeful that I will be exonerated. Those pushing me now need to be really looked at, as are those who won't claim your roles.

Additionally, if I live through this day, I will jail whoever wants me to jail them, so they can confirm they were protected and won't be able to act.

Unvote: Grumpy
Vote: Sleep

Vote: Hammer

Foxxi said:

Mmmmmmmmm...... why would you prevent the useful town role from acting? Keeping them alive is all well and good, but their role isn't useful if they can't, ya know... use it? So seems kinda counter-productive. "Keep them alive so they can use the useful role I'm stopping them from using!"

This claim isn't implausible... but I think it's perfect cover for a scum role block - and I think BN after his claim is the most plausible target *for* scum to choose to block since they'd prolly be worried about a doc protect on him too.

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Because I didn't/don't know what roles we have. I trust BN because of his voting to take out psycho. I don't know what his role actually is, but he's clearly town. With no other info out there, I couldn't think of who else to protect. And I think of the jailor as protector more than as preventing someone from using their role, at least early on.

I also debated in my mind protecting you, since as a very strong player you're usually an early target. I went with BN since I was more convinced he's town.

VoidKitten said:

How are you gonna bury your claim in a wall of text and make me read the entire thing to find it. I was about to jump all over you for demanding other people claim but you didn't claim yourself.

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I am a jailor.
Should have made it bigger for everyone to see.

GrumpyCat said:

Pups ofc. i pressed just the right buttons and now he will be on me forever.

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I didn't trust you yesterday and see no reason to trust anything from you today.

I was hoping we'd get some deets or something, because all I am seeing is clear as mud.

Listo and BN are town, as are most likely our presumed remaining neighbors CWE and Matthieu

Void being 3rd party - I see no reason they'd claim this if they weren't, because it clearly could be disputed.

Foxxi is probably her town solvy self. Not sure why she hasn't claimed, but I agree with a lot of what she has posted. I will always be wary of her because she is certainly skilled enough to be a wolf, but I think it's likely she's town. Not worth pushing yet, but I'd like her to claim. I'd like everyone to tell us their role.

BN claims to have an important town role, and to have been roleblocked. Not so, as he was jailed, by yours truly. BN claimed to have an important town role so I thought he made himself a target, and that scum would want revenge for him taking out psycho. So I protected him, figuring his role will be needed later

Future claims to have been framed for MTR's death. Isn't adding much else. That 100% town comment on Foxxi made me wonder a bit as well.

Claws is always sus, and true to form brings nothing to help.

I was going to say Val also hasn't done much to help. Val seems to like to lay low at the beginning of games. Then Val comes in to say Grumpy is trustworthy.

Grumpy claims to be a hider, then backed off, but the comment about pushing my buttons because I voted there yesterday just rubs me the wrong way.

Vote:
Grumpy


Val, can you give more of an explanation as to why you trust Grumpy?

I felt good about Listo before for revealing his role, and now I feel good about CWE, BN, and MTR simply based on their votes. Not sure I trust Foxxi yet, but I understand why she'd say she's on the town list.

And looking at psycho's role card flip, it looks like he was in a 3-person neighborhood. I agree with Foxxi that the remaining neighbors are now likely masons. Also, we can infer from psycho's role card flip that we have alignment cops - else the stipulation of his showing as town until one of the other neighbors is killed would not make sense without an alignment cop.

But looking at the following post, makes me wonder what Grumpy was thinking -

GrumpyCat said:

Scum have 3 votes on their own. They could go for some play here but looks like they are just chilling

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In hindsight this kind of feels like just being upset/grumpy about psycho and the other scum partner not being around to cast a vote on Future or elsewhere?

Foxxi said:

If I had to hazard a guess based off past pups interactions, I'd wager he is connecting the concept of preventing a hammer accidentally to mean that there could be reasons to not just have day end when maj is reached like normal.

IE: getting to see a vote count that shows maj has been reached when people may not expect it should be, or

that they think it should have been but day didn't end if hammer is on that gives info.


Personally I just think Hand is from a place where hammer sometimes isn't auto on and he's incorporating that here - it may or may not have anything to do with how that would interact with vote modifiers -- but it's not uncommon for pups to question if some new rule tweak has deeper meaning. It's also NAI.

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This is kind of what I am getting at. As I am trying to understand how this works, I will toss around ideas that I think it might mean, in case the rest of y'all have seen something similar.

But I am trying to make sense of the following - if all we get by hammering is the day ending, does that really mean much when we have night chat enabled every night? As I recall from some discussion in another game, when night chat is enabled, it lessens the advantage that scum otherwise has to coordinate their actions, especially when say there might have been a surprise event like scum ending the day early. So, does that mean we are more or less likely to expect vote shenanigans?

Thank you for explaining that Handy comes from a place where hammer isn't auto on. In the past I have put far too much energy into some theories and it often turns out not to be nearly as important as I what I imagined it could have been. And as I ponder this, suspecting that there might be vote shenanigans is not the same as knowing what they are, nor how and when they might be used, and on whom.

Val the Moofia Boss said:

It would imagine that it would be most beneficial for town to have hammer enabled during the early game, when the town has the highest number of players compared to the scum team. The relatively smaller scum team will be less effective at logging in at the same time and swinging the leading train off of their people if they are about to get lynched. Once we start reaching lategame, hammer might work better in scum's favor because there will be fewer town players left, meaning an organized scum team swinging all of their votes will be far more impactful. No hammer could stop them from doing that and getting away with it, and they would have to better justify why they are all changing their votes in the game thread.

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This is why I think there's going to be vote shenanigans.


But hammer doesn't negate the fact that it's still the person with the most votes gets yeeted. So dareIask, what happens if say there's an 11 way tie at one each, with 2 nonvoters? Does everyone who has a vote get yeeted, or will it be a rand among all of them?

Should Future and MTR both be modkilled, for having an outside conversation? Maybe just double secret probation. I'm guessing maybe Future won't know the reference