Fingers of Suspicion

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  1. PsychoSoldier

    Mafia 38 - Trouble Brewing

    Now that I know CWE's role just narrows down who is and isn't Demon, I'm kind of back to just Occam's Razor and that CWE's role is legit, which would mean there's a demon between Xan/Blind unless we have a Scarlet Lady

    That said, Xan being a demon basically requires 3pups to be a minion or CWE happening to get the right information beside being drunk.

    I guess it also requires Grumpy to be scum or for 3pups to be a spy

    I dunno, this game is making my head hurt

    Let's just make something happen

    Vote: Yes
  2. PsychoSoldier

    Mafia 38 - Trouble Brewing

    I don't think I have the energy to try and look for every message that happened in the game before Foxxi started tracking them
  3. PsychoSoldier

    Mafia 38 - Trouble Brewing

    PsychoSoldier - Mayor
    Claws - Chef (No neighbors)
    3puppies - Librarian (Xan or CWE is drunk)
    Blind Ninja - Washerwoman (One of Claws, Grumpy, 3pups, Miko is town)
    Matthieu - Soldier
    Listo95 - ???
    Nightmare Queen Miko - ???
    Xanjori - ??? or Drunk

    MTR - Monk
    CWE - Fortune Teller or Drunk
    GrumpyCat - Empath (Neither Claws or 3pups is evil)


    This is what I have for claims made publicly at least. Is that right so far?
  4. PsychoSoldier

    Mafia 38 - Trouble Brewing

    Actually, we can chat if you want, Blind, but I think I can infer who you probably had the check on based on yours and 3pups' posts
  5. PsychoSoldier

    Mafia 38 - Trouble Brewing

    @Blind Ninja Wanna chat?
  6. PsychoSoldier

    Mafia 38 - Trouble Brewing

    Eh, kind of circular logic though because if the info from Grumpy is legit, then that makes 3pups still clean anyway

    Bah
  7. PsychoSoldier

    Mafia 38 - Trouble Brewing

    RIP Grumpy.

    Grumpy claimed to me that he was the Empath, and said that neither me nor Claws are evil. He told me this before he and Claws had their own private chat.

    I had wondered about the chance Grumpy and Claws were perhaps in cahoots, or if Grumpy had been poisoned, in which case the false info might have been that Claws was not nice. If Grumpy had been poisoned, then he still would have been given his role before the game play started, so based on his death, I am confident he was telling the truth.

    Town needs to share information, and there are roles out there which have not shared.

    @Foxxi , can you please clarify the amended again private chat rules? We can chat a total 3 times, but does that include dead players? I would like a private chat with Grumpy and MTR, but not necessarily if both count against my 3 in total. And does the private chat still end after 1/2 the day phase? I presume we request the private chat on our private discord channel? How will we know someone has requested a private chat with us?

    @GrumpyCat and @MTR , do either of you want to respond publicly? It would potentially save me one of my 3 chats.

    I am depressed about my fellow townspeople not voting at all.

    We cannot nominate Psycho nor Matthieu again today, as it is past 11 EST

    I have been thinking about this way too much. It occurs to me that if everyone has a plausible / safe town role, it is very likely that the demon and minions communicated about it. But there wasn't really that many private chats going on, especially those that did not involve me, and I know I am either the librarian or the drunk myself. So I am looking at Claws.

    BN had privately shared info with me about the results he found out about his role as washerwoman. BN may or may not be involved, but I am wondering why Claws has not been forthcoming about his role while everyone else has claimed. If Claws was the poisoner or the demon, he'd know who his team was, who got poisoned, and what info could be shared.

    BN only talked with me, Grumpy and Claws. Claws talked with Listo, BN, and Psycho

    The fact that Claws refuses to vote at all, and has done nothing to help town, bugs me the most.

    There very likely is a poisoner out there, and it certainly could have been used on Grumpy and CWE.

    This is probably a pointless effort on my end, but I'd had to say I didn't at least try my hardest to get info out there.

    I would like to
    Vote: I nominate Claws

    It seems futile to nominate Matthieu or Psycho again. Neither got the votes before, so expecting to get enough votes now is unlikely.



    It is certainly possible. Claws would have known your role, and had chatted with someone I had passed info along to. Claws also could be the Poisoner, where he would have known he HAD to poison you again. It is the passing of information that makes me think at least one of Claws and/or BN have to be bad. And on the chance Claws is bad and executed, a potential chance remains that we might get information after execution.

    BN's vote NO on Claws right now is telling. It could be that he either doesn't believe me, or that he doesn't believe that the evil communicated their safe roles via private chat. Or, it could mean that he is evil himself, in cahoots with Claws. Everything BN and Claws have done seems to have been to prevent town from getting a successful execution, to prevent the possibility of learning something.

    One other possibility, of course, is that Grumpy was evil, and was killed randomly if the demon targeted the mayor, Psycho.

    Which brings me to @PsychoSoldier - do you think the evil group targeted you? What do you think about the likelihood that evil communicated the safe roles on D1?



    If my nomination of Claws fails, I won't be able to nominate again this day phase, so please go ahead and nominate her. I think she is the virgin, so if you are town, nominating her will mean you die and the day ends.
    Yeah, looking at this again, for someone who's been so focused on the mechanics, I find it odd that 3pups was so quick to throw Grumpy's check on Claws out the window. And now that I'm reading exactly how it works, like Grumpy said, he would have checked Claws 2 nights in a row and I struggle to believe Grumpy was poisoned 2 nights in a row
  8. PsychoSoldier

    Mafia 38 - Trouble Brewing

    Chef no pairs
    Is that based on the order of names in the player list/the gun barrel image?
  9. PsychoSoldier

    Mafia 38 - Trouble Brewing

    I think thats how it works or at least theres still a possibuility of them being a minion
    I guess in that case it's still relevant because it's the demon we need to kill to win. So unless there's a Scarlet Lady we somehow missed after MTR's death, then the demon would still be in Xan/Blind
  10. PsychoSoldier

    Mafia 38 - Trouble Brewing

    Claws, you know what's sad? I don't even remember your claim. I only got to read it in my notifications preview and by the time I went to actually read it, the chat was gone lol
  11. PsychoSoldier

    Mafia 38 - Trouble Brewing

    Wait

    ## -- Fortune Teller:
    * **Each night, choose 2 players: you learn if either is a Demon. There is a good player that registers as a Demon to you.**
    * Each night, the Fortune Teller chooses two players and learns if at least one of them is a Demon. They do not learn which of them is a Demon, just that one of them is. If neither is the Demon, they learn this instead.
    * Unfortunately, one player, called the Red Herring, will register as a Demon to the Fortune Teller if chosen. The Red Herring is the same player throughout the entire game. This player may be any good player, even the Fortune Teller themself, and the Fortune Teller does not know which player it is.
    * The Fortune Teller may choose any two players—alive or dead, or even themself. If they choose a dead Demon, then the Fortune Teller still receives a nod.

    This just means that the people CWE investigated are not the demon, but doesn't mean they're not minions, right?

    (This might have been talked about before and I missed it)
  12. PsychoSoldier

    Mafia 38 - Trouble Brewing

    Ok, I'm just gonna try to go through the thread again, track all the messages and claims, and see if I can make sense of everything going on mechanically and then just Occam's Razor somewhere, because I know I've been a limp fish this game

    I don't really want to eliminate Claws

    Ok, gonna ground myself a bit first

    I think CWE was probably just killed for being close to confirming the demons

    Yes, he could have been killed when scum either knew he was drunk or knew they poisoned him, but again, I'm gonna follow Occam's Razor here

    Unless I'm mistaken and there's some kind of godfather role I'm overlooking, that makes Claws, 3pups, Matthieu, Miko, and Listo all town(me too obvs).

    Like he said, that just leaves Xan, Blind, Grumpy, and MTR

    There's certainly a chance I was the n1 kill and MTR was either a minion or a demon and we have a scarlet lady. By the time Grumpy was killed, I had been nominated and had heat so they probably wouldn't kill me that night, so that probably clears Grumpy.

    So in that sense, our culprits should be just be Xan, Blind, and MTR
    Mmm, well wait. If CWE isn't the drunk, then Xan is and can't be evil. Because CWE would have an valid inno claim on 3pups, who would have a legit "A drunk in Xan/CWE" claim. Otherwise, CWE is the drunk and all bets are off

    It's also possible CWE is legit and was poisoned the night he investigated 3pups. Which would open up the possibility that CWE was mostly right, Xan could still be scum, and 3pups suspicion jumps back up

    I dunno, let me try to sort my head out in some way
  13. PsychoSoldier

    Mafia 38 - Trouble Brewing

    Now that im clean i find it odd that scum doesnt put down the loud mouth that keeps nominating seems a bit sus to me
    I won't lie, I had this thought, and it's why I do want to go back and try to verify all claims and stuff and see if I feel any way about CWE being the drunk or poisoned

    Did 3pups know CWE was a fortune teller that night? I don't remember if CWE claimed his role that early or not
  14. PsychoSoldier

    Mafia 38 - Trouble Brewing

    Ok, I'm just gonna try to go through the thread again, track all the messages and claims, and see if I can make sense of everything going on mechanically and then just Occam's Razor somewhere, because I know I've been a limp fish this game

    I don't really want to eliminate Claws
    CWE the Fortune teller.

    We demon hunting boys!!!

    N1... Claws and 3pups. Both inno...

    N2...Psycho and Nightmare Queen Miko. Both inno.

    N3...Matthieu and Listo. Both inno.

    Remaining alive unchecked

    Xanjori
    Blind Ninja

    Dead unchecked

    MTR
    Grumpy

    All that's left...

    ...

    Unless I'm the drunk...then
    :squint: :panic:
    Ok, gonna ground myself a bit first

    I think CWE was probably just killed for being close to confirming the demons

    Yes, he could have been killed when scum either knew he was drunk or knew they poisoned him, but again, I'm gonna follow Occam's Razor here

    Unless I'm mistaken and there's some kind of godfather role I'm overlooking, that makes Claws, 3pups, Matthieu, Miko, and Listo all town(me too obvs).

    Like he said, that just leaves Xan, Blind, Grumpy, and MTR

    There's certainly a chance I was the n1 kill and MTR was either a minion or a demon and we have a scarlet lady. By the time Grumpy was killed, I had been nominated and had heat so they probably wouldn't kill me that night, so that probably clears Grumpy.

    So in that sense, our culprits should be just be Xan, Blind, and MTR
  15. PsychoSoldier

    Mafia 38 - Trouble Brewing

    I don't think this game type is for me tbh. Flipless makes it impossible to know whether you're ever right and it seems like every piece of info is "it COULD be true, but you'll never know for sure"
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