Recent content by Rikishi

Thanks for running this, VK. Looking forward to your revenge

I think it makes it clear that Medivh is not DivaSmurf. I'm inclined to look at what other actions has DivaSmurf done. I did see this one earlier

DivaSmurf was looking through his handy utility belt. He grabbed an item and quickly set out from his room. DivaSmurf ran across SubZero and attached a device to him. DivaSmurf quickly ran back to his room and gave someone credentials to check out SubZero.

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Sauron said:

DivaSmurf was given a mission and he would see it through. He went and found Medivh, watching where he was going. DivaSmurf snuck up behind Medivh and cut a hole in Medivh’s bag, laughing as things started to fall out. Medivh saw things falling and quickly tried to pick them up, completely distracted from what he was doing.”

I’m trying to decide what this means for Medivh.

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I read this as a block, but perhaps it was an attempt to steal / copy an ability that Medivh has. The other possibility I thought of was that it was an attempt to find out what role Medivh had?

One more thing I noticed that I don't think has been commented on yet. Sora was revealed as a hiding commuter, but was nevertheless taken out by scum masquerading as town 3pup. If this means it had to be a ninja kill, then why was Art seen at all? Or is this how a motivated / enhanced action means. Again, not being familiar with how motivation works, I'd appreciate hearing how it "usually" works, and what VK is more likely to have done.

Pablo was a motivator, and had motivated Sephiroth. It isn't clear what Morrison's role was, but Morrison first electrocuted SubZero, and later slit his throat. This reads like Morrison motivated himself before the kill, but I'm not sure if it is possible for a scum to have multiple actions. Also, since Morrison was trying to kill SubZero, what was Lora trying to do to Moana, that apparently failed? Scum doesn't usually get multiple kill attempts per night.

GrumpyCat said:

I thought scum were hiding from writeup, tracks and watches. In such case SubZero shouldn't be able to see Art.

If it only his scum from writeup then Art can still be scum. He can only be Matthieu right? I don't know to confirm it unless Matthieu appears in a writeup. If so it should technically clear Art.

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Yes, I pointed out yesterday that since Art cannot act, and the rest of scum except Mathieu have acted after the entertaining stumping, if Art is scum he can only be Mathieu.

I have less experience playing than many others, and I haven't seen how a "hide all scum actions", or rather a "make all scum actions appear to be coming from town" role would work. I suppose both are possible, but Is either way more likely, in a game run by VoidKitten?

I guess that if someone has an investigative role, it would still work on Art, but there are higher priorities to be looking at.

Trying to separate the flavor from the game events.

Since Mazer, the Supremacy leader, and Firebird the backup, are both now gone, the Castle named after Mazer is no longer their hangout. The Mission Adjusted may have been something that gave them not just a new evil lair (involving sonar?), but I also wonder if any of the roles/powers that Mazer and Firebird had are now transferred to someone else among Morrison, Lora, and DivaSmurf. That's assuming I am right about ArtTheTreeScum.

It wouldn't be as simple as @MasterChief being the master that the talking magical evil lighted Castle was referring to here - would it?

Castle Rezam growled and its voice sounded throughout the land. “M..m…mission adjus..ted. A..activating sonar. G..goo..dbye M…aster”

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VoidKitten said:

I edited the writeup slightly.

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This came after @VoidKitten "died" in the writeup. Despite the fact that I will never fully trust a mod, I'm glad VK is still alive. Part of me worried that this wasn't flavor and the light may have blinded us

Since Twin flipped as expected, because he got copped, I wouldn't be surprised if there were scum on that train. I was not surprised to see that the reveal turned out to be MTR.

Twin's Voting history points to clearing Hulk as well. Also, the following I find interesting -

Twintania said:

Okay. Trying to see what else I can add here.

We got a stump and yet people think stump was scum. That is interesting. I think Art was town and it all good and lets see if they can continue to help us solve.

Interesting that people think Sauron is possible scum. To me when scum did that bus drive on Applejack they were hoping to take out Solidsnake if Listo hit AppleJack but instead Listo took out their buddy. so Sauron subs in and to me I feel like both them and Solidsnake are town.

I like both trains going today but I have to say I am going with Peach. We have tiptoed around this yeet it seems. So lets do it.

Vote: Peach

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The comment on Art being town is very suspect - it feels like Twin was trying to lead us toward thinking someone else was scum. Similar, his "clearing" of both AJ/Sauron and SolidSnake doesn't feel great - it felt really soft, but it may have been true in order to make himself look good.

Twin clearly knew Peach was town and was along for the ride.


So, looking back at the concern about Art being identified despite Morrison hiding all scum actions, I noticed that Art was never identified in the actual writeup. He was named by Subzero who had gotten the information that he was the one who visited Sora. So, @GrumpyCat, could it be that Morrison's action only hid the scum from the writeup, replacing them with town who had also acted, and was not able to prevent trackers/watchers from seeing who really acted?

XavierWoods said:

I think it was a consensus that with the circle of light spreading, it was a better idea to end the day early then let it reach full size. No telling what it would have done. In a previous game there was a similar mechanic that occurred. I believe there was a reduced chance on NAs when we let that day go on after multiple warnings.

Sleep vote is better then not voting. Not voting would have given listo another potential target.

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I hope so.

VoidKitten said:

Game Announcement:

MasterChief and JackSparrow decided to touch the light as well and both received a burn. They quickly realized that the light would soon spread over the entire area leaving no room for anyone. They ran off to tell everyone else.

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With the light spreading and these 2 posting immediately after, I read the above and immediately wondered if the burn meant they are getting blocked tonight, or if they are Listo's target choices.

Sorry I missed the warning that the day was ending early. I hope my sleep vote won't come hurt me.

I am wondering if ending the day early was a scum attempt to learn more about whether Listo HAD to act, or if they were simply trying to shut down further conversation about who we should look at next, and why.

Sephiroth said:

Town reads are good, but I do not support hard clears without a couple points of validation. I've discussed gamerunning with void, and I'd wager heavily that void has an additional spreadsheet buster built in.

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I don't doubt that. But void also has messed with us by having roles that do not appear in the write-up. Unless players are perhaps just not acting?

It's very hard to put a spreadsheet together when we don't have the list of characters.

Medivh said:

Uuugh. Sorry for the silence today, I had to get a new pc.

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Hopefully new and improved?

So if Art is town, then Hulk could still be Mathieu, who was blocked last night.

JackSparrow said:

you might not like it but that is an actual possibility like i said it would be risky

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This is not a possibility. Moana is clean

Reading back on a few more posts following Night 3, when Art got stumped. I am feeling more confused.

@GrumpyCat, I'd like your thoughts on Art.

Sauron said:

@Listo95 why did you stump Art?

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You don't expect someone to outright claim, do you? I suspect it was because ArtTheClown was suspected as being scum, because none of his posts were at all helpful to town. @Listo95 is the biggest reason we Riff-Raff have a chance.

Sauron said:

Again, I’m asking since I KNOW I’m town, why does hypothetical scum!Twin defend me?

Answer this.

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Point taken and considered. There are some very good players here, most with a lot more experience than I certainly have. I believe the discussion is WIFOM. Scum has information that town doesn't, and they know that town will look for motivation behind every action. So scum might try to manipulate town into overthinking, or at least getting into analysis paralysis.

Twin could have been thinking that, hey, Sauron is a little sus now. So if Twin posts on the side of defending Sauron, if Sauron gets yeeted and flips, it helps Twin look clear. But if Twin is yeeted first, those of us who go back to look at older posts would see it, and add more sus to Sauron, so Twin helps his scum cause. It isn't that complex of a motivation.

I am not sure I am buying it. Twin is the priority for this day phase. Perhaps you may have night action to put yourself in a better position to defend yourself later.

Twintania said:

And you hit Austin with a car but I don't hold that against you.

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That was my player's action, not my character/role. Has nothing to do with this game. You got copped IN THIS GAME.

I welcome your thoughts, however, and anyone elses' input as to my comments on @ArtTheClown aka ArtTheTree. Because if he is actually town, there's another scum we have to keep looking for.

Twintania said:

Can't a dragon go watch some wrestling with a good buddy without coming back to being attacked? What ever did I do to you guys? Just rude.

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You got copped.

I must be doing something wrong as my vote/unvote did not register.

Just to give folks a little more time -
Vote: Sleep

I am clearing Hogan for now. And I know for certain that Moana is town like me.

The suggestions have been to clear Arceus, Medivh, and GrumpyCat - I have to look through this a lot more but for now I lean them town.

Presuming there are 4 scum left, with Twin and Sauron being the most likely, we need (at least) two more, most likely coming out of probably JackSparrow, Bacon, MasterChief, Sephiroth, and Woods.

Any suggestions / info that might clear any of those 5 would be welcomed.