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Claws said:

yall want me to swap to cape or we lynching 2

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I don't think we can yeet 2 together, because majority or modified majority applies. We need 9 for a yeet because we've had almost everyone vote.

In prior Void games, when there was a tie at modified majority, I think tiebraker went to the person with the earliest first vote.

I am sure that psycho would prefer that you swap your vote from him.

I also think we should beware of potentially hidden vote shenanigans - there could be scum who can make their vote count as zero, etc. Not sure if they'd use that yet, though

I'd kind of like to see MTR be the hammer we need, because of the unknowns with the upcoming wish tourney game, I don't want him left out not voting.

So will there be 4 random players PLUS Blind Ninja? Or Ninja and three others for a total of 4? Will the players know who they are competing against? And most importantly, will the results of the mini-tournament be posted before the night phase ends?

It would seem that all of us who have a night action available would want to wait to know if our potential target has gotten a prize or lost the dice of demise.

Claws said:

Wow thats a surprisingly alot of shots

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There are a lot of scum alive. They wouldn't be targeting themselves. Since the shooter is not revealed, I would think most scum would not hesitate to take the gun. Other than Cape, because basically flat out told Cape to take the BPV. Which I thought was only for purposes of the gun game, not to be held until needed

Claws said:

Im thinkin psychos gunna kill me tonight if he has a chance and im still votin cape

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I'm hoping our town roleblock/jailer is not Tildey's pre-stump role, and they don't forget that psycho still needs to be blocked/jailed tonight.

Tildey tends to be much more solvey when she's town, but she has rolled scum quite a bit

The fact that she hasn't flipped does not help town at all, so it seems like part of a scum role

I'm not so sure Tildey was town, though.

Tildey said:

None that I can share.

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Presumably nobody else in town targeted Psycho, else he'd be dead. Well I guess Windward might have. But her above response makes me think this was part of her own role, and not something that happened to her because she targeted Psycho. At first read, I thought it could have been one of Psycho's defenses.

Any insight as to why you got stumped instead of flipped?

Xanjori said:

Also I dont like this, I dont think anything Claws is saying is scummy here. He is having natural thoughts for a towny and you wanting to dismiss it makes me think you are just trying to con us.

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I think we have time to investigate Claws, as Cape should be today's yeet while Psycho should hopefully get blocked/jailed (if possible) tonight.

MTR cannot tell us his character nor his role, but the info he provided makes me believe he is not a cop, but that he was able to identify players that were not noted in the write-up, as characters that did. He knows who he targeted, but he can't say that specifically.

If I was able to figure this out, I am sure that others can, and MTR deserves protection.

Tildey getting stumped does not seem to jive with the rules of the gun game

Did Psycho just lose his BPV?

Windward losing his life hurts town because he should have taken the BPV, but it supports keeping psycho alive as he did not register a kill, and Exodia needs 2 more.

I'd love to hear Tildey share whatever she can about how/why she decided to choose a gun.

Spent the day dealing with another skin issue, so there's a lot to come back to. I am still quite groggy from anesthesia, but they tell me the procedure was a success.

In the initial write-up, I was under the impression that there would be two wishes granted - and we should each submit one public and one private.

Since the game of give everyone a gun or a BPV was not listed in the public thread, does that imply that the remaining wish will be granted from the public wishes?- Because it doesn't seem like there are very many public wishes still.

I would also encourage town to choose the BPV for this game, but for the daring, Psycho seems like a good target. If we can eliminate him with 3 shots, would it use up his BPV from this game, as well as the one he already claimed to have?

PsychoSoldier said:

Everyone is misunderstanding my wincon, and that's probably all I can say. I still don't even know if I'll be allowed to say what I've said already

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This is why, for the good of town, you should post your whole role card. It would assuredly get you modkilled and save us the hassle.

All of us town could wish that you get included as an honorable mention in the winning team writeup for supporting town

And if Psycho claims he will be targeting scum, it would make sense for scum to block him as well

CWE raised a good point that since there were two roleblockers on D1, it would appear that both town and scum have an ON roleblocker. So I agree with Claws that unless he's vanilla'd or stumped by wish, Psycho will need to be blocked.

Of course, we don't know if town's RB came from a 1x role that a JOAT would have, but based on there also being a RB on N2, which probably be an EN RB, it would seem logical that there is an ON RB available to town. I am not asking for anyone to role claim, but it would be helpful / reassuring to me if someone agreed with my logic about existence of roleblockers and how they work.

The big concern I have with this, though, is that many games tend to include a mass roleblock, and sometimes one that affects town only, and I don't think there's been one of those played yet.

When does the wishing end? Does Blind Ninja end it when he finds a wish he likes - and if so, does that end this day early (perhaps before we have a yeet?)


A modification to my wish above might be that whichever dead player gets picked, they can choose to either send a message or one of their powers to someone living. If a power is chosen, the recipient would be have to agree in advance to swap one of their powers with the unseen power from the unknown dead player.

In the meantime, as a placeholder in case the day ends early,

Vote: Cape

The other wish I was contemplating, is that someone (random) among the dead flipped players would pick someone random here, and send a message from the grave. All the active players would be told is who got picked, but we wouldn't be told who the message was from, nor its contents. It would be up to whoever got the message to decide what if anything to share.

Looking back now to N1, it seemed that both Emrakul and Summoned Skull both had a vanillaizing power on Rock. Which makes me wonder then, why scum took him out N2 when he was vanilla'd already.

Anyway, in the interest of fairness to both sides, suppose I or someone wishes that Psycho gets stumped, and 1 player from both green and red are randomly chosen for a game like RPS - not known to each other - and the loser will also get vanilla'd. Town would be essentially risking a 50/50 chance of a random vanilla happening to them or scum, to gain a day saved. And for the laffs, Psycho would have to compliment the wish granter BN in every post for the next 3 days.

Well of course I am town - I was blocked last night, so I am eliminated from being 5 scum roles.

PsychoSoldier said:

I probably can't say more than I've already said to stay within rules, but I want to reiterate that it's impossible for me to win at this point.

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If you really want to help town, you could just roleclaim and get yourself modkilled. It would save town the extra day having to yeet you twice.

But what if you wished yourself to become a vanilla stump?

Crackleslap said:

I'd still prefer to vote off Psycho today. Either way. If MTR's info is good, and he can't be protected. Protect me. There are manys ways to this jedi.

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Reconsidering this.

If we don't yeet Psycho, presumably Exodia kills again tonight. And if he survives because of a BPV or iron collar, as he alluded to, he kills again, which would make 4 kills for Exodia and possibly his wincon.

He's a threat that must be blocked if he is not yeeted. Especially since there are other shenanigans at play - like hidden wishes that HE might win, or other games, etc., where he could potentially win additional toys.

And since the wish granter is also 3rd party, he's not necessarily inclined to grant a wish that would help town.

We don't know that wishing to vanillla-ize psycho or stump him would even be granted.

PsychoSoldier said:

I'm not like Matthieu where I can lie in your face with a smile. I'm too honest of a dude. I'm caught with no way out and the jig is up. So I want to at least have some fun with the situation and either force scum to waste kills on me or take them out before they can.

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For town to win, if you have a 1x BPV or Iron Collar, as you've hinted at, it would take us 2 day phases to kill you anyway. So doing it now or later - when while Exodia lives with a kill power, it's a threat to town.

I am open to suggestions as for wishes. Could we wish that you become recruited to town - aligned and be a stump? That would probably mess with the numbers too much and it wouldn't be granted.

FutureHold said:

that one has me a bit confused too, but I didn't see town target me or Cape, yet he claims to know i'm town and Cape is scum

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I think I figured this one out.

not gonna lock this in blue bold yet, but I wondered about wishing Psycho got turned into a stump? If his win condition is to kill 4 players, he wouldn't make it, but if his wincon is to survive to end, I wouldn't necessarily mind having him as a stump for a while

Cape90 said:

listo is kinda the same story, they also feel verbally stally.

i have my eye on blind ninja since rock died, but I am still kinda leaning town there due to threadstate of a million coasters LOL

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You do realize Blind Ninja already won, and has flipped already, don't you

Cape90 said:

what made you think this about the visit by mafia on me as opposed to anyone else?

Rock got visited by mafia night 1 and died today

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I felt that since CWE was blocked N1, he is likely town, because he is ruled out from all the scum that acted.

And you didn't die, or seem to present any restrictions.

And I haven't played nearly as many games as most of y'all, but I do recall (mostly in Jarrod games) the scum occasionally had a power to "chip" or do something to make someone appear as a different color if investigated. If they did, they'd want to use it, so I was mildly suspicious of you. Since CWE voted you based on his gut, I wanted to see if anyone else thought about this possibility as we didn't really have much to go on.

I presume Rock getting taken out was because he was a loud voice for town, likely getting too close for their comfort.

Crackle, the simple fact that you've told everyone you have info will likely make scum VERY cautious about what they post.

llettuce said:

the digimon and magic guys are evil and the pokemon and yugio are good, so assumedly everyone would have one of each unless theyre someone weird

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This is where I feel not knowing anything about any of these characters' origins puts me at a disadvantage.

Are you saying characters come from digimon, pokemon, magic and yugio? Are those the bloodlines Exodia is after?
If so, were Val's original character, and DivaSmurf's characters from different bloodlines?

PsychoSoldier said:

Wind was maybe roleblocked by Omnimon? I'm not 100% sure as it could have just been her actions being messed with but that's sort of how I read it. Which if true would clear her of a lot of scum. I think 3pups was definitely blocked though so same thing.

Kind of confused about Pikachu's action. Like Thunder Wave would be a roleblock I would think but the poised to react part really confuses me.

And I think those who have been theorizing about Exodia looking for 4 people might be right. Maybe one of each type of flavor? Seems like it would be hella luck to stumble on two specific people one after the other. The Diva kill could also imply there's an inactivity-fueled kill, but it doesn't explain the Val kill.

Kinda feel like maybe Claws was framed? Guessing Celtic Guardian watched Windward so we might actually know who Omnimon is.

Also if Mazer was up to anything nefarious last night, we should know from Squirtle if that's a track as I read it.

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If Mazer was tracked by Squirtle, who was Rock, we won't know since Rock is dead.

Claws said:

unlike all of you i was born in the hate molded by it you didnt know how to hate until you were a man

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I'm a lover not a hater

EBWOP -

I am wondering if Foxxi can only communicate as a neighbor during an odd day phase

3puppies said:

Could you please explain to the rest of us who those others are?

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Because if you don't, Matt, you're likely just asking to be tomorrow's yeet.


Also, thanks, Claws, for sharing what you and Foxxi discussed. D1 is too early to really learn anything. I didn't feel great about Future voting for MTR either at the time.

Matthieu said:

Why do I do anything that I do?

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Could you please explain to the rest of us who those others are?

I'd love to hear Nightengale's reads on everyone

I believe MTR is town, and if even I can figure out one of his roles, it should be clear to everyone that he is town, and Future is town as well. Don't like that Claws is still pushing the MTR as scum theory.

Mazer said:

What did I do? Or just residual anger from last game?

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I think you got busy IRL, and did not comment enough to make us think you're your usual town solvy self

llettuce said:

Someone said mazer won, I thought bn won did mazer also win for some reason and I missed it

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Mazer and Rock both won against BN in his post-game tourney, where if BN won 2 of 3, he'd eliminate 1 of the two losers, but since BN lost, we await something else

rock meets hard place said:

claws should tell us about his chat with nightingale?

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Claws always comes across as scummy even when town. And I think he has to be careful about how much he shares about a conversation with Nightengale, as he's arguably close to the line in roleclaiming (because presumably either he or Nightengale has/had a neighbor role.) That being said, I didn't like his perspective on a jester winning.

What do you think about Tildey?

In case you're taken out, can you please elaborate on who you find scummy?

@DivaSmurf, can you please answer this question as well?

@Mazer, congrats on your victory. Since you're done with the game now, can you share any thoughts, please?

PsychoSoldier said:

Meowth did the resurrection. He said welcome back MTR because he knew who he had resurrected. BN was both the ressurector and the Wishmaster. Meowth is part of Team Rocket and was the one who did the revive.

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I got confused as I thought players could only act once per cycle. This looks like BN got to act both as the reviver and as the Wishmaster.


BN picking Diva, Rock and Mazer as his shadow game candidates, knowing he can potentially eliminate one of them if he wins 2 of 3 games.

I wonder if he wanted us to weigh in on which of the three he should take out.

I don't have a read on Diva. I don't like her hiding in the background, though.

I feel Rock like of the three, Rock is more likely town.

I understand Mazer has been busy with a new job, and his activity here has been a lot lower than in prior games. If he is town, we definitely want him around especially later in the game.

But I think BN can read all three much better than I can.

Clever way to move all of the votes to himself in order to grant the wish. It left a lot of people not voting, and potentially targets for the inactivity vig.

I am slow, but I think I figured out how MTR believes Future is not red. I did not see Future get targeted by anyone so I had wondered. I was also not sure, though about how BN knew for certain that MTR was not targeted by his own team. But now I think we know who one at least one of MTR's roles is, I feel good about both MTR and Future being town. And I agree with BN's thoughts that they should be protected. I just don't know how BN knew that then.

And if Exodia is in fact an inactivity vig, I wondered why choose val, who appeared to have met the min post requirements and had voted? There were plenty of others, including yours truly, who hadn't met the min post count, as well as many who hadn't voted.

As I recall, a vig killer can be someone from any color/team, but I am thinking it is 3rd party here.

Claws said:

Also why did bn win a jester wins by lynch he wasnt lynched he was killed via a wish thats not the same

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I see the point here, but my guess is that he wins if he was eliminated during the day phase, so as long as he was not killed by scum at night, and did not survive to the end, he'd meet his wincon. I wonder if VK just had to make a call. I could see BN certainly arguing for it - else why would he grant that wish?

Any thoughts on this?

The Mythic Tree Dragon would not falter from this battle. He flew through the air and located MTR and breathed a magical fire on him, enhancing his abilities tonight to be even more effective.

Xanjori said:

Exodia is still in play I believe

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I wonder why Exodia appears in yellow, while there are plenty of other colors that could be picked?

And to MTR, what are your thoughts on Future's forced feeling sad when he thought you were taken out?

MTR has had quite a run of getting killed while asleep. Did this revival happen whilst MTR napped?

Xanjori said:

So this is what happens when people dont really think about good wishes

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Having all of yellow eliminated probably makes it easier for town to solve now. BN is a very good player and I am happy anyone who is not scum won, so I wouldn't say this wasn't a good wish.

But the rez still may have been only a 1x power, or limited how it may have to be used only once per phase- which would explain why Val flipped,

rock meets hard place said:

he wasn't the SK but he did rez MTR

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I am wondering if that is actually the case. If someone else had the rez role, BN may have been saying he knew the wish had not been granted at that point (because he was the one granting the wish)

Val flipping as two green players does not surprise me. We will likely see more multiple characters per player, as it allows the mod to mess with spreadsheeters

3puppies said:

Trying to understand the stuff with BN, and a super jester came to mind. Congrats BN.

So BN was the one who rezzed MTR ?

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Or was BN the wish granter? The wish message came from yellow, and as "Team Rocket" was BN all of yellow?

Trying to understand the stuff with BN, and a super jester came to mind. Congrats BN.

So BN was the one who rezzed MTR ?

Matthieu said:

It's outlined as a rule for wishes in the start of day post...

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Again, are you certain that a wish was granted? It would seem to me that only the wish granter would know if he granted a wish, but the rest of us don't know if the rezz was due to a granted wish, or if it was the action of someone using their role.

Maybe it should be not everyone, but just the least active players take turns playing Russian Roulette. As long as we get flips.

Matthieu said:

Only one wish can be granted for the day phase and one was already chosen.

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How certain are you about this?

Matthieu said:

As an aside, I do wonder if the wish mechanic will be in play from this point on or if it's just a thing specific to this day phase. If it's a valid wish to bring players back from the dead then that might mean that we won't get any information from flips.

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Since there were wishes for both MTR and Val to be revived, we don't know who is being revived, nor why. We don't know if it was a wish granted, or if it was part of someone's day power to revive someone. We don't even know if the other non-revived person will flip at the end of this day phase once one of them comes back to us.

Another question I had about last night was that Exodia sent 4 lazers out to infect people -

A large rumbling filled the realm as four lasers shot out of the sky, each containing a piece of Exodia. “My powers have infected the bloodline of each type and I will find my pieces and end the foolish mortals who felt they could trifle with the power of the gods.”

Exodia let out another bellow and then went quiet, ready to do what is necessary.

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There were 6 nonvoters, and Val wasn't among them. Does this mean that Exodia is not the 3p inactivity vig?

Claws said:

I Have an interesting thoery i dont think she can talk via thread but ive talked to her

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Neighbor?

Is Foxxi the wish granter?

Xanjori said:

Is this a real thought?

If so it will be obvious when a new character acts tomorrow that didnt act tonight

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This is a void run game, so I fully expect there to be a lot, probably at least 10 more characters acting tonight that did not appear in N1 writeup. Giving lots of people multiple characters makes it harder for spreadsheeters.

Crackleslap said:

Kinda wanna leave the nightingale business to someone smarter than me, because im sure there's some puzzle somewhere that has to be solved or we all get nuked on day 4 or some shit.

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I won't pretend to be smarter than you - or anyone else here, but not being familiar with the characters, I noticed that there is one called the TIme Magician. I had a thought that perhaps if a time magician does not post/vote, they may earn the power to go back and resurrect someone? It might explain the fact that MTR and Val did not flip.

Blind Ninja said:

All depends on order of actions we have in the game

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Fair - But since scum sometimes has the ability to include fake stuff in the write up, I'd be slightly less trusting of Xanjori, targeted by red, and more trusting of CWE, who appears to be rb'd/jailed by green.


I like crackle's thought about getting everyone to vote, to see if the vote count changes.

Vote: Cape90

I am generally distrusting of double voters, but there have been games where a town member gets it. We dhould keep an eye on psycho (always a good idea in these games anyway)


I was wondering why MTR died, but was also motivated?

rock meets hard place said:

is there a reason you are being such an ass to me?

but yes you're right Emrakul and Blue Eyes Ultimate Dragon aren't the same a similar vein of thought

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If I came across as an ass to you, I apologize profusely and sincerely.

WindwardAway said:

If someone is roleblocked, would their action not show up in this list? Cause we do have someone claiming to be roleblocked, I'm just not really sure how it works.

Because then there would be even more flavors not in the writeup.

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My understanding is that if jailed/roleblocked, in a rajah style game, their character does not appear. Which for example, clears Xanjori and CWE of being any of the red roles that acted.

rock meets hard place said:

didn't you play in last game where all the 3p weren't a team and were yellow? Why would you think this game is any different?

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I don't recall that for sure - if I did play in a game like that, I was town, and was modkilled very early.

Blind Ninja said:

you expected to be dead? or expected Cape to die?

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I am with CWE - My first thought is that the action red took on Cape felt like some sort of protection of another scum - perhaps make them appear to be green, or that attacks on them would rebound,

Impmon was not about to be outdone by another impish monster. He set out from the secret Kaiba Corp location and located Cape90. Impmon spoke a spell quickly and warped the shadows around Cape90 to change the reality of incoming assaults.

Blind Ninja said:

I would say that Exodia and Team rocket are likely 2 different entities and not together

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Aren't they both in yellow? Team Rocket surely has more than one player if they are a team... And void surely would have given them a different color if they were not together, wouldn't he?

I am not creative enough to come up with a good wish - let alone two. My understanding is that we get to ask two, and asking for a BPV or Vig Kill is not likely to be granted
So I will try the following -

I Wish to become neighbors and to be able to roleclaim/breadcrumb with two other random players
I wish for MTR to become resurrected

There are more characters named so far than players. I have a strong feeling that in order to mess with spreadsheeters, many of us players will have multiple roles. There may be ON/EN actions, or powers may need to reload, so I doubt we will come close to getting a full list of characters until much later in the game.

I would appreciate correction in the following if I have messed something up -

I get our team as Green = Industrial Illusions

Pegasus
Ash
Charizard
Dark Magician
Saggi the Dark Clown
Time Magician
Ditto
Mythic Tree Dragon
Feral Imp
Machamp
Aegislash
Garbador
Summoned Skull
Zapdos
Gaia the Fierce Knight

The primary scum team from the write up is Red - Kaiba Corp
Seto Kaiba
Agumon
Emrakul
Shivan Dragon
Blue Eyes Ultimate Dragon
Gabumon
Impmon
Silver Queen

The yellow team is Team Rocket, and thus far only includes -

There is a whole lot to catch up on. I had an extra night of couponing as I didn't get everything done on the weekend.

I fear I have put myself in precarious situation by not meeting the post count D1.

I am not at all familiar with any of the characters so I feel at a disadvantage as I think I may mix them up.

To comment on the votes for me on D1, merely because I voted sleep (which statistically makes the most sense in the absence of info), I will remain suspicious of everyone. This was an exceptional couponing weekend for me so I appreciate the understanding why I was unable to post more.

Instead of my normal long winded post, I will break my thoughts up into smaller posts, to try to get my post count up and avoid potential wrath of inactivity vig. As I recall, this may not help in a Voidkitten run game, as once I became a target I might forever remain one. But target could be just for not voting.

More to come....

Good evening ladies and gents.

Do I understand the rules properly? D1 we may dance around but ultimately get to voting sleep, or hitting no majority. But Void won't tell us whether there's an inactivity vig or not, nor will we get details as to whether there's a prize or a curse for the extra D1 number vote, which once it hits, we may not find out. But my guess is that the second number vote is more likely a prize.

I hope there's a prize for the special D1 number vote, and it seems like a reasonable bet that it's not a curse. Since we can't vote ourselves directly, I will risk the following -

Vote: Sleep - this will make modified majority harder to achieve, as scum is at an advantage this early, they are the only ones who know anything.

Also, in the hope I can win myself a prize -

Vote: 1

Won't be around much until Monday AM

Good evening ladies and gents.

Do I understand the rules properly? D1 we may dance around but ultimately get to voting sleep, or hitting no majority. But Void won't tell us whether there's an inactivity vig or not, nor will we get details as to whether there's a prize or a curse for the extra D1 number vote, which once it hits, we may not find out. But my guess is that the second number vote is more likely a prize.

With a throwaway vote, I am inclined to do something to make the modified majority tougher to yeet someone.

Vote: Sleep

And since I will remain optimistic, and hope that there's a prize that lines up with the player list, I will hope I am getting myself a prize.

Vote: 1

Also, I wanted to see if Void gives us anything in the vote count now that I have made both kinds of votes.