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Xanjori said:

I wont lie I do think the tactically correct choice is to yeet Psycho today. But sometimes correct isnt fun.

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WindwardAway said:

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Cape90 said:

I don't get how I am red

You literally defended me when you caught up

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Cape90 said:

Val hardly spoke day 1 versus MTR but I will agree that MTR wasn't that helpful day 1.

I thought MTR's catch up was kinda towny though

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Crackleslap said:

Yeah nah. if your town take BPV.

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MTR said:

Going to guess only a small percentage actually take the gun and take a shot

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VoidKitten said:

I am going to make another post. This event will not work the way I planned it and has an issue. The same type of event will happen but with updated rules and is being started over

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Val the Moofia Boss said:

That was a lot of GIFs on the prior page!

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Claws said:

Fuck probably should of asked for the chance at more wshes

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Listo95 said:

Tildey's vote puts Cape at L-2. Just so I have a vote on record in case day ends early.
Vote: Psycho

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Kareemah said:

Trust me, I’m not scum, I’m only nonsense.

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VoidKitten said:

Omnimon strode around the battlefield looking fierce. He came across WindwardAway and smacked her on the back of the head, all while still looking. The blow was so fierce WindwardAway was having trouble seeing and thinking clearly.

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PsychoSoldier said:

Also, I wanna say Nightingale is either town or benign 3p. Her role seems neutral at worst, and considering she seemingly can't be voted, it seems like it would be pretty awful for town if she was scum, because if you're caught with no kill power, then there's no way to win even if you have her dead to rights.

Her reads also lined up with mine at the time for the most part, except she was more paranoid of Wind. I think Wind is probably still town, and the roleblock helps, but I'm not sure I'm ready to lock that.

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CWE said:

Unvote: Psycho
Vote: Cape

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Mazer said:

Two trains of thought.

Psych is psych, and he has a Win Condition

Even with a poe promise, he would likely be able to pursue it. With a large group, it's like d1 lynches. Town is the statistically more likely hit.

Or

Validation for mtr, and testing that it was a true res.

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MTR said:

Looking back I did realize that I was clearing him based on the fact he was targeted by red on night one but I should have probably held back on that because sometimes scum to target each other to help clear them and depending on the action it is not a negative to them.

Unless something is screwy Cape is red.

Now we can hold off on that if we want but we need to circle back to that.

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PsychoSoldier said:

There's absolutely no way for me to get to my wincon at this point. So I'd rather play and be useful and do cool shit than just die after a pretty good start.

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PsychoSoldier said:

I mean if I'm alive I'm gonna solve. Maybe lazily but eh. Like I said, I can't really win now that I've been caught so

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PsychoSoldier said:

I think the wording of "assaults" makes it seem more like actions on Cape will misfire or something rather than a frame. I feel like what happened to Claws is more frame-like.

I'm also not sure a frame would persist past the one night, though Claws' potential frame looks like it could?

Someone said MTR originally said Cape isn't Kaiba? So maybe the altered reality gave him a Godfather status for the night or something? I dunno, let me look back at MTR's posts.

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PsychoSoldier said:

For what it's worth, I think llettuce is probably town so far. She's a bit lost but doesn't feel like she's hiding from the thread. I also felt her post of reads was solid. I also share her concerns about Kareemah

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PsychoSoldier said:

For Cape(if town) and Wind, this is a comparison to the last game we played where she got her first scum rand. She's newer to the game but always felt pretty open and flowy, and in that game she was way more quiet and had no off the cuff thoughts on the game until she was forced to make takes. I feel like this has been the opposite of the case over the night phase and this phase in particular

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Crackleslap said:

I'd still prefer to vote off Psycho today. Either way. If MTR's info is good, and he can't be protected. Protect me. There are manys ways to this jedi.

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llettuce said:

I first thought post restriction for wind, but I guess we'll see

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PsychoSoldier said:

Wind was maybe roleblocked by Omnimon? I'm not 100% sure as it could have just been her actions being messed with but that's sort of how I read it. Which if true would clear her of a lot of scum. I think 3pups was definitely blocked though so same thing.

Kind of confused about Pikachu's action. Like Thunder Wave would be a roleblock I would think but the poised to react part really confuses me.

And I think those who have been theorizing about Exodia looking for 4 people might be right. Maybe one of each type of flavor? Seems like it would be hella luck to stumble on two specific people one after the other. The Diva kill could also imply there's an inactivity-fueled kill, but it doesn't explain the Val kill.

Kinda feel like maybe Claws was framed? Guessing Celtic Guardian watched Windward so we might actually know who Omnimon is.

Also if Mazer was up to anything nefarious last night, we should know from Squirtle if that's a track as I read it.

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llettuce said:

So yes all 4 of those groups are in the game, but I think all evils have a digimon and magic character and all the town have a yughio and pokemon character

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Cape90 said:

and your push on me is flat out strange to me and I almost want to call it towny for how lazy it is

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Cape90 said:

Vote: WindwardAway

Alright when I flip town, we got one

Trust

Like, this just feels so slimy to me

Catching up still

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Cape90 said:

Lemme ask you this then

Why would mafia defend me if I was mafia then? I was being widely townread day 1, they would be more concerned about other members sying unless they were ALL townread.

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GrumpyCat said:

I know who cant be red. Should i say it? It could lower their life expectancy.

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Cape90 said:

listo is kinda the same story, they also feel verbally stally.

i have my eye on blind ninja since rock died, but I am still kinda leaning town there due to threadstate of a million coasters LOL

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Xanjori said:

Listo feels like a hit too tbh

Vote: Listo

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Cape90 said:

Crackleslap still feels really towny, Xanjori does to, but the ladder means Xanjori is wolfing. (I don't believe this read)

Psycho has felt very towny recently

and finally WWA is trending a bit down for me, could see them being deepwolf, the way they handled me gave me the heeby jeebies, stuff after that felt ~fine but a bit coasty ig

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CWE said:

Psycho never fells towny until he finds an evil. (Sorry not sorry )

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Cape90 said:

So overall this is where I am at

MTR (revived)
Cracklestep

3puppies
Xanjori

GrumpyCat
PyschoSoldier
Claws

CWE
Blind Ninja

Matthieu
Mazer
WindwardAway

llettuce
Kareemah
Val
FutureHold
Listo
Tidley

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MTR said:

Future is not red.

Don't believe he is Exodia

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WindwardAway said:

There was an extra vore *on* you
I checked the history and it appeared suddenly when Claws and I put our votes on you, but it didn't follow when I moved my vote around so it seems like it was Claws and he's unaware of it.

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GrumpyCat said:

Show me where i have an extra vote because i dont

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3puppies said:

I'd love to hear Nightengale's reads on everyone

I believe MTR is town, and if even I can figure out one of his roles, it should be clear to everyone that he is town, and Future is town as well. Don't like that Claws is still pushing the MTR as scum theory.

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Matthieu said:

Val is a frequent misyeet in these games and when he isn't a misyeet he has a habit of being killed early across multiple games. Which happened both during the previous game and during this game. I explained my reasoning quite clearly and there's little benefit for scum to wish for a town aligned player to be brought back to life since if such a wish is granted, it makes securing victory for a scum team all the more difficult.

You're tunneling and it's rather annoying. Especially when there's multiple players who are very quiet and haven't contributed anything of note.

Which, in turn, contributes to the inactivity problem. Someone dares to speak up in the game? Oh, no! Quick let's find petty reasons with no basis in reality to go after them and make the game even quieter!

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Claws said:

what happened to that guy i thought he was doing a real strong d1 and now ehh

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rock meets hard place said:

there's only like 4 inactives here.

diva but MTR is claiming that he thinks she might be more active as scum, so I'm not super interested in that.

listo, I agree he should do things. I said as much a few posts ago.

ditto Morrison

tidley is ???

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rock meets hard place said:

Isn't she supposed to be like the best player here? I would like to hear her insights into the game. It was also just a question...like should he. idk, like it feels like the pro-town thing to do would be to share any info. idk

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Claws said:

why is that didnt val just flip town aswell and we are just assuming that mtr is town because scum killed him?

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Claws said:

but then why did he have the xtra vote? if a vote was stolen and he magically had 2??

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Claws said:

and another interesting tidbit is that future voted for mtr which we found wild as fuck. FUCKING SO OOOO WILD like WHAT and possibly scum read the shit outta it but again that was d1 and mtr got murdered

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rock meets hard place said:

besides maybe Morrison, all your votes have been on town. I'm town, I'm trusting MTR that Future is town and I just think Wind is town. Maybe you could argue that that's not that scummy b/c town are more likely to vote town but if future/wind are town then it's still not a good look for you.

your Val wish was bad b/c MTR had 0% chance of being corp where Val did. I had also got the impression that Val was a sorta hard read for most people so why would you want to inflict that on town? I sorta get TMI vibes off your Val "read".


you didn't need to read MTR b/c it was impossible for him to be corp, at best he was team rocket. Val theoretically could have been corp since he was shot by a 3p but you were confident he wasn't corp b/c....you are corp?

922 is troll scum?

I know that you are claiming that your "threat" to chain lynch wind and I was a "reaction test" but that's such an easy and level 0 backtrack that I sort of think its more likely to come from scum then town.

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rock meets hard place said:

but yeah he has seemed to be less active today

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WindwardAway said:

Uhhh stupid question, has Cape said anything today/tonight?

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Claws said:

Also why did bn win a jester wins by lynch he wasnt lynched he was killed via a wish thats not the same

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Claws said:

Why didnt i get killed then ? I talked to nightingale d1 i think exodia is just an inactivity vig looking for a bonus

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Kareemah said:

Btw I love that you’re smart enough not to claim

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Matthieu said:

Since Val's role and alignment was revealed, I doubt there will be any more resurrection mechanics in play. At least MTR has returned to the game and it's best that any form of jester gets taken out early rather than at a more critical juncture so this actually all works out rather cleanly for the most part.

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rock meets hard place said:

I think someone said once all the rez gets used then we get flips so yeah it looks like it was either 1x or he was the only one with rez power.

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3puppies said:

Having all of yellow eliminated probably makes it easier for town to solve now. BN is a very good player and I am happy anyone who is not scum won, so I wouldn't say this wasn't a good wish.

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Xanjori said:

Exodia is still in play I believe

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3puppies said:

I wonder why Exodia appears in yellow, while there are plenty of other colors that could be picked?

And to MTR, what are your thoughts on Future's forced feeling sad when he thought you were taken out?

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MTR said:

Okay. Nice to be back. Was not expecting day to end like so and night chat but will take advantage.

So I made notes so when I came back I could get right back involved.

Following people are not Kaiba but not completely clearing them to town yet but leaning that way: Rock, Future, Xan, Grumpy Cat, Crackle, Cape

Not going to get back involved in the actions from night one. I don’t think I have anything to add that was not already said about them.

Curious to know if Exodia just has to kill people or find specific people to kill. Maybe has to take out one town, one kabia and then two others. Not quite grasping that. I see that some people think Exodia is the inactivity killer but Val met criteria and I think there is a chance there is still an in activity killer out there. We had lots of people not meet the criteria

I have a feeling that Foxxi might be 3p or a special role of some sort. The fact that voting Foxxi does a self vote plays into that. As mentioned Void has given Foxxi some custom made stuff before.

Psycho having a double vote seems to be town to me because if it was scum typically it is not known that their vote counts as more than one.

Diva giving off town vibes because they tend to be more active as scum but I could be wrong.

I love 3pups for putting together a character list. NAI because he does this any time he plays.

Windward seems solid town to me at this point.

Still reading things again so will probably have more thoughts as I go.

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rock meets hard place said:

If he's scum, he knew that everyone not on his team is town/3p

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Kareemah said:

Huh?

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rock meets hard place said:

val has EXACTLY 5 posts. maybe nightingale thought he was scum that did the bare minimum to avoid inactivity

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Kareemah said:

Did you like this windward bc u have a way of hypothetically protecting mtr?

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Tildey said:

You will see that sometimes with the Rajah-style games too if there's a traitor role. The traitor will be color-coded to town until/unless they're revealed so you're not entirely off base there with the question.

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WindwardAway said:

No idea what's going on with BN but I see what he did there
Also, hell yeah MTR is back!

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Claws said:

Tbh offing inactives is exodias job so theres no point unless we magically lynch him

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Claws said:

I still dunno how i feel about the psycho double vote tbh vote manipluation like that is usually always scum a town double voter would just outright say it was them

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rock meets hard place said:

I'm on team factional abity and I don't really think Meowth would rez a player not on his team.

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rock meets hard place said:

I don't think the wish has been granted

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Claws said:

If thats the case just lynch them when they come back

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rock meets hard place said:

or I guess in theory he could use his rez on someone and make us THINK it's his teammate just so we waste a day lynching them.

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rock meets hard place said:

In general, MTR is a "pro town" rez b/c we know he's town/3p. Getting Val's flip is only mildly interesting .

We also know that one of MTR/Val was 3p or at least that's how I'm interpreting things.

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Blind Ninja said:

Again, Wishes are still being made and the wish post is being updated. Dont you think if the wish rez was the one that happened, VK would say wishes are done?

We also dont know who was rezzed.

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Matthieu said:

I feel a lot of better about both of them, actually. Rock's likely not scum since I think scum would be more cautious when it comes to making wishes as to avoid wasting them so they can try and benefit their team. Getting frustrated at me or just joking around and wasting the wishes isn't a terrible reaction.

As for Wind, she does seem to be trying to look at things and going through post by post is something that makes me think she's town - it'd be far easier to just ask in scum chat for a summary of what she's missed if she were scum.

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Blind Ninja said:

Why are you opposed to a rez? Typically if/when all rezzes are used, we get all the flips. Wouldnt you want them used early?

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Blind Ninja said:

Matt will defend Val no matter his alignment. So cant really say matt/val both cant be town or both cant be scum, or any other combination. The defense is NAI. Not to mention Val died N1 last game, so its a bit of a dick move to kill him N1 a 2nd game in a row.

I understand that Val needed to provide more to the game for others to generate a read, but Matt knows his style pretty well and generally has a decent read on him.

Whats interesting is that Exodia went after someone with required posts and vote, when there were others that didnt meet either.

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PsychoSoldier said:

I actually kinda think Team Rocket might be one player. Giovanni announced the wish, but Meowth granted it. That reads like a role where different abilities are different characters.

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Kareemah said:

I wish for a tracker ability.
I wish for +1 BPV.

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Matthieu said:

I read it as purely being flavour text. Ultimately Val was killed by yellow so I find it unlikely that Val, himself, is a yellow aligned player.

The chance of there being shenanigans at play is never something that can be fully cast aside, of course, though having reread the thread even back on D1 some people seemed strangely eager to try and yeet Val towards the end of D1. Even when there were multiple outright no shows.

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VoidKitten said:

Meowth was upset. He may be the mascot of Team Rocket, but he didn’t appreciate the miscarriage of justice that happened overnight and would do everything in his power to fix it. Luckily, Meowth had recently stole from visited a PokeMart and had a Revive handy. He sprinkled the revive into the air and spoke some words in a language no one understood. Meowth’s eyes started to glow as he communed with the afterlife to bring someone back to us.

Meowth collapsed to the ground and started to lick his paw. “It is done. They will be back at the end of the day.”

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Xanjori said:

Like as someone that got 6 wishes granted in the Harry Potter game its about knowing your host. Theyre never going to grant boring kill wishes, you gotta make it interesting and put something on the table they view as fun for us and them.

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rock meets hard place said:

I wish Blind Ninja were dead.

I wish matthieu would lose his protection.

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rock meets hard place said:

I have a hard time understanding how mat, grumpy and ninja can still think im scum

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rock meets hard place said:

but if Matt is scum Val is town b/c he's buddying him.

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Matthieu said:

As for Windward, 'lol sry was drunk' has historically been a valid way to disguise accidentally messing up. Not saying it's definite, just something I've been pondering as a possibility.

Source: The healer in my raid group pretends to be drunk when he messes up mechanics.

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Matthieu said:

I don't think he's red and we can safely rule him out as being yellow. I also dislike it when the same player is targeted two games in a row, since that makes it even less likely for someone to be inclined to contribute.

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Matthieu said:

...but I just explained my reasoning for Val in a recent post.

I'm confident reading Val, less so at reading MTR. I think it's likely that both were targeted by scum and we seemingly have two malicious sources of kills - namely red and yellow - so I don't really see what the big deal is.

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Matthieu said:

How so? I'm curious to see where it leads. Windward and Rock are both very 'brash', I suppose. I thought it was very interesting that they happened to align with the same target. It's a good way to either condemn them both if Future flips town or alleviate concerns about potential scum slips/backtracking if he flips scum.

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PsychoSoldier said:

I don't really feel great about the way Matthieu hopped on the Future vote tbh

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PsychoSoldier said:

Why would you wish for Val to be wished back when his death is probably NAI while MTR was killed by scum?

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Matthieu said:

Alright, I'm all caught up again...

Vote: Sleep

As a placeholder for now as I decide where I want to go today. As for wishes...

I wish for Val to be revived to return to the game.

I wish for the protection bestowed upon me to extend for another day and night phase.

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Xanjori said:

Is this a real thought?

If so it will be obvious when a new character acts tomorrow that didnt act tonight

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PsychoSoldier said:

Are you just trying to get things moving? You're vote hopping a lot right now. Is your mind actually changing this much?

I still stand by my thoughts on Cape and the night action

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PsychoSoldier said:

The irony is I was gonna ask you what your reason was because it felt like you were retroactively trying to justify the vote on me after the info slipped through.

But you giving an explanation unprompted makes me feel better about you and like you actually had these thoughts instead of just pushing me for the sake of it

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rock meets hard place said:

Well yes, but there's almost assuredly scum within the non posters. Unless the SK has/starts hitting scum 2 town are going to die a night.

So why Future as opposed to Diva or Kareemah or Tildey?

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GrumpyCat said:

I wish for dead players roles alignments to be revealed right now.

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GrumpyCat said:

I was thinking it was a frame at first but it just feels dumb to have frame ability that will tell everyone in writeup, this guy just got framed.

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CWE said:

Scum would protect non-scum from a town-led lynch just for the town cred. I've seen it enough. Hell, I've DONE it.

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WindwardAway said:

Bleh, that's actually a solid point against Cape and now I feel dumb for thinking he was town yesterday. I can't imagine scum protecting someone who wasn't scum, unless by some restriction they were required to do so, but obviously they wouldn't ever intentionally try to kill their own protection target. I feel like I'm just a bit confused because I thought it might be more complicated than it is, but it's probably simple.

Vote: Cape90

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VoidKitten said:

Impmon was not about to be outdone by another impish monster. He set out from the secret Kaiba Corp location and located Cape90. Impmon spoke a spell quickly and warped the shadows around Cape90 to change the reality of incoming assaults

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WindwardAway said:

At any rate I'll explain my Psycho vote, it wasn't purely because of whatever happened to Crackle and the extra vote. It's because Psycho plopped a very hasty townread on me yesterday and suddenly decided today that I'm scummier for voting him. I suspected he might be attempting to pocket me yesterday, and now that that's not working, it's high time for him to push me because I'm an easy target. I don't know how to interpret the writeup for a very clear reason that I refuse to give, but it has nothing to do with my alignment.

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CWE said:

Because you are (lightly) fighting my liver vote. AKA scummin' it up on day 2.

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Crackleslap said:

Hmm. I must've missed something about Cape being framed, if you're mentioning it and CWE as well.

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CWE said:

For your sake, I hope Cape is town...

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Crackleslap said:

The idea is that Silver Queen, took my vote and gave it to Psycho to make it seem like he is Silver Queen. AKA Framing Psycho. However, I feel like this scenario given the information that I know is unlikely.

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CWE said:

My liver says naughty.

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3puppies said:

My understanding is that if jailed/roleblocked, in a rajah style game, their character does not appear. Which for example, clears Xanjori and CWE of being any of the red roles that acted.

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