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  1. Mazer

    Mafia 2 - Wishes of Hogwarts

    They weren't innocent

    They know what they did
  2. Mazer

    Mafia 2 - Wishes of Hogwarts

    Scum is cooler.

    We have biscuits.
  3. Mazer

    Mafia 2 - Wishes of Hogwarts

    Even though scum lost.....

    In one sense, I can never truly lose a game where town kills cwe and Badger, and psych gets lynched.

    But in another much more practical sense. I absolutely lost.
  4. Mazer

    Mafia 2 - Wishes of Hogwarts

    Good job town

    Thanks for the game vk
  5. Mazer

    Mafia 2 - Wishes of Hogwarts

    Wednesday Morning Week GIF
    Alright then
  6. Mazer

    Mafia 2 - Wishes of Hogwarts

    I read through jarrod's again to make sure. Not everything is verifiable yet, but nothing seems to stand out as problematic.

    Still feel the same on him being clean, because nothing seems out of what I'd expect from him there.
  7. Mazer

    Mafia 2 - Wishes of Hogwarts

    we are all joeys lets be real
    I might be phoebe
  8. Mazer

    Mafia 2 - Wishes of Hogwarts

    Badger will be mad at me when he reads that
  9. Mazer

    Mafia 2 - Wishes of Hogwarts

    Snape is the Ross Gellar of the Potterverse.
  10. Mazer

    Mafia 2 - Wishes of Hogwarts

    Still reading, obviously, but hard not to notice that Psycho is a clear favourite for lynch based on both start of day and very recent posts. Something like never getting targeted and that's suspicious? Mister Homely seems to be a pusher (as of the posts I've reached) of him, though it was at least in part as a counter to being called out himself. Psycho pointed out that Homely hadn't been targeted by somebody I think except when a bus driver was in effect on him? Always a headache, and certainly suspicious. A lot of other people with less overt reasoning than Homely at around the same time. I hear multi ball or w/e the terminology is now is in effect (and the day's write up indicates it too), so I honestly could see them both being scum on opposing teams. Kill em both and things probably go well or at least not terrible. Of course, this is just the currently clueless guy putting in his 2 cents.

    Questions...the first post seems to not be updated past day 3 for deaths and such, is there a good place to see a full list of the dead and their roles/alignments? It'd be nice to get an idea of how the game is going overall.

    Secondly, is this Homely person somebody I've seen before with like a name change or something? I don't recognize the name at all, but he seems the persuasive sort that probably has experience.
    You may remember me as mazer,from games I've died early while day 1 role-playing characters such as distinguished English gentlemen who always referred to psych as his proper name-psychological.

    You played the game on the previous FOS site right?


    I had to change my name for a month when I lost in a contest.
  11. Mazer

    Mafia 2 - Wishes of Hogwarts

    If the master of misdirection is seen through here, I'm guessing I'm a target tonight.

    So fuck it. Let's dive deep.

    This is the part where psych floods the thread, so when we do his post death scum analysis, he's got too many threads to focus.

    The key will be to see his earlier behaviors and any suspicion he derailed before they became things. I pointed that out earlier, and now we got thus.

    Once again psych bringing out the sheet, but not eliminating me from any roles. Also he told me earlier that it was weak that I brought that he:.
    1. Had been targeted by no scum. None.
    2. Could be any of the scum.

    Psych knows this is extremely relevant, but blocking out some things to drive the agenda is a psych tell.

    And everyone is still supposed to buy that he had this all along, but let other pushes go through without even mentioning his suspicion,?

    We both know if you weren't scum, you'd get a strong suspicion out. Both to avoid low probability lynched and to make sure you didn't die with it hidden. The way you're claiming to have had suspicion, and the way you've acted this game shows that you didn't really have it.

    And you started the day with indicating that the scum Godfather triggered you, and went with the "let's start here". Magic I guess.


    Some of this helped though. I'll look for out of character reactions to see if you left any clues previously.

    Too fucking much here
  12. Mazer

    Mafia 2 - Wishes of Hogwarts

    Mazer, it doesn't matter how narrowed down you are because the probably dead cop voted you after investigating. I may have let it slip by when it shouldn't have, but it doesn't change the fact that odds are there's hard evidence against you for the one red role you can be. Try to get your mislynch while you can, but people will listen when they see my flip and they'll get you.
    I'm very comfortable in seeing your flip. The last hail Mary didn't work.

    Your fear tactic play doesn't scare either.
  13. Mazer

    Mafia 2 - Wishes of Hogwarts

    Was that flavor?
  14. Mazer

    Mafia 2 - Wishes of Hogwarts

    Did it say the duel was to kill?
  15. Mazer

    Mafia 2 - Wishes of Hogwarts

    I really don't want to be mod killed, so I'm making short sentences that are semi relevant, but totally annoying
    It's best to safe. I want to theorize more on modkills, but Vkumbridge doesn't allow.
  16. Mazer

    Mafia 2 - Wishes of Hogwarts

    Trying to think of examples.

    Psych might be lynched less than anyone, and talked himself out of more than anyone but possibly JP.

    I remember one time he was almost lynched because I was wrote the Michael Scott motivator as prison Mike.

    That was funny.

    Saw psych get killed as outed scum in a jarrod game, and then win a res price. That one was different.

    One time we were scum together on mmoc. He was outted because of am innocent child. He used the opportunity to take heat off the team. He's probably the best at moving the momentum to someone else when there's early pressures He doesn't like.

    He will bus his own team. Talked about that in chats in recent games.

    I still think him and dreyski are not aligned.

    But could look at other connections
  17. Mazer

    Mafia 2 - Wishes of Hogwarts

    I think there was a role like a mimic or something in final fantasy game. They would copy abilities from one player to another. But I think they were not allowed to mimic facion kill. Maybe its different now and nice find btw, but this theory isn't very hard evidence.
    That's an interesting take. I've built whole characters around mimics and false mimics, just so the game can't be won by spreadsheeting exclusively.

    Possible
  18. Mazer

    Mafia 2 - Wishes of Hogwarts

    You were hit by red because of the bus drive. That is it. Which means red was actually trying to target Randolph. So that doesn't clear you of anyone but Lucius.

    Meanwhile, Hermione is dead and the most likely player, Caito, opted to vote you right after targeting you. These is hard facts.

    I caught it, but I wasn't certain because Caito wasn't gunning for you hard, and I wasn't sure whether that was because Badger was already "outed" or because he was actually scum bullshitting. But then he died, and Hermione disappeared two nights in a row. And then the cannibal kill with Kareemah's behavior sealed the deal for me.

    Also me being targeted doesn't mean anything. We have three alignment threats. Even if I was scum, I can't be all of them. So the logic that "Psycho hasn't been targeted" is a weak one to try and push me.
    You can't be all of them. Buy you can be any of them.

    And since you've already spent time narrowing down roles -for everyone but me mysteriously-and posted about who can be what. But now it's bad logic to look at for you?

    And you're also tying me and with wanting to cannibal kill Caito, but that was purple and kareemah wanted to kill me? And right after caito died you were not suspicious enough to even bring it up ever as a possible concern, even when we had someone on a train based on reads, and you were on swayed when the purple gf attacked me? Didn't even mention for people to vet me last night?

    I can accept many thing, but not you as a scared or selfish player.

    Curious to see where you fall, and where the connections are.
  19. Mazer

    Mafia 2 - Wishes of Hogwarts

    You were hit by red because of the bus drive. That is it. Which means red was actually trying to target Randolph. So that doesn't clear you of anyone but Lucius.

    Meanwhile, Hermione is dead and the most likely player, Caito, opted to vote you right after targeting you. These is hard facts.

    I caught it, but I wasn't certain because Caito wasn't gunning for you hard, and I wasn't sure whether that was because Badger was already "outed" or because he was actually scum bullshitting. But then he died, and Hermione disappeared two nights in a row. And then the cannibal kill with Kareemah's behavior sealed the deal for me.

    Also me being targeted doesn't mean anything. We have three alignment threats. Even if I was scum, I can't be all of them. So the logic that "Psycho hasn't been targeted" is a weak one to try and push me.
    And if you were honestly believing a legit cop and truly figuring it out, you would clear me of voldemort as well.

    You're not a new player, and I don't buy these mistakes.
  20. Mazer

    Mafia 2 - Wishes of Hogwarts

    You were targeted by red when they meant to target Randolph. Pay attention to the bus drive
    I was hit by red. Didn't miss me. And even in your theory, I'm ruled out of stuff. Also I note that purple targeted me that night too. Interested.

    The thing is this....I was trying to figure that out when it happened. Because that vote did catch me off-guard. Was caito false-claiming as scum? Did Did scum have an ability or wish that corrupted things? Badger's potion reading as corrupted made me wonder. Trying to figure out if vk was fucking around. Or foxxi. I also thought about grim mafia, but was too horrific to spend to much time on how caito snaked a claim there.

    Fuck, because i still don't know there.

    Tried to figure out what was going on, because I only had theories.

    I was shocked when you didn't come right at me, because you had communicated with caito. Which does show that kareemah didnt trigger you there. And then purple immediately got him, and there was no more vetting.

    I actually thought you were maybe town there, because you would have seen my playstyle, pushes, etc, and assumed the same

    I would still wonder if I might have you wrong, if you has cited anything where you now read me different. But I'm supposed to accept that you sat on this for days. Were triggered by kareemah, and then waited, instead of pushing me when there was uncertainty with kills?

    You have that read and you let the dreyski train happen? That's not town psych.


    And you've never been targeted? Even on a night like last? ...

    Ok....



    if I'm this wrong, everyone kill me tomorrow.

    Not sure if you gave kareemah this to try to get out of jail and the purple kills have made you throw the hail mary, or just picked up the bones from the other chat.

    Just trying to figure your teammates at this point.
  21. Mazer

    Mafia 2 - Wishes of Hogwarts

    i can see what you mean
    Yesterday's end post, I've now reread too.

    Some things now feel different.

    I think this might be end up being like the 2nd on 3rd time I've ever seen a righteous lynch on psych.

    Kinda wanna see if this is right.

    And also if pressure makes his secret society soar in and try to save him

    Vote: Psych
  22. Mazer

    Mafia 2 - Wishes of Hogwarts

    maybe protego backfired like he was protego'd twice resulting in a death idk
    I went and looked. Protego worked fine a few times.

    Then psych is targeted, and then the next thing in the flavor is that the same spell goes wrong and cwe is killed.

    Didn't see it the first time that way, but when I searched psych targets. I don't see a whole lot.

    I might be getting attack blinders. But definitely interesting, because of the timing
  23. Mazer

    Mafia 2 - Wishes of Hogwarts

    im reading it but not clueing in =/
    I'm curious if anyone else sees it. Want to make sure I don't have blinders.

    But the flavor has protego targeted
    Argus Filch was feeling better than ever. He had all of this magic and he just felt right. He was in a good mood and left his office in search of his beloved Mrs. Norris. On his way, he ran across Psycho and cast a Protego on him, bidding him a good night. Filch found Mrs. Norris and he grabbed her and cuddled her, spinning around in circles with her. A bunch of people were coming around the corner and Filch quickly stopped and scowled at them. As soon as they were gone, he started dancing with Mrs. Norris again.

    He cast Protego upon Mrs. Norris and smiled at her. But something was going wrong. Mrs. Norris was growing bigger, and bigger, and bigger, and wasn’t stopping. Eventually she became so big, she exploded into a million cat pieces.

    Filch stared at his dead companion, dumbfounded. Then he let out a scream and started shaking. His power level started to increase as his emotions came out over Mrs. Norris’ death.

    Peeves started to come around the corner and saw that CWE had already died. “Damn. There goes my plan.” He sped off to locations unknown.

    CWE, playing as Mrs. Norris, the Order Backup, has been killed. He was Gryffindor.



    Queenie Goldstein
    was so happy to be here at Hogwarts. She had only ever seen the US school prior to this. She stayed in her common room but made a bet with herself on who would receive the attention tomorrow. Maybe if she was right, she’d feel super confident on the next night.

    Also took me a bit to see what queenie was going for. But have a theory now
  24. Mazer

    Mafia 2 - Wishes of Hogwarts

    I did go back and look at things. I've got a few theories. There's still some order stuff I'm working on.

    But somebody take a look at the filch action and cwe's death and tell me if you see something interesting right before Ms. Norris dies.
  25. Mazer

    Mafia 2 - Wishes of Hogwarts

    Lol. Somebody got desperate.
  26. Mazer

    Mafia 2 - Wishes of Hogwarts

    Its odd no1 took a shot at psych or have i misread
    Not remembering one, but I could reread.

    And then there is that other glaring hole in his argument about kareemah's logic.
  27. Mazer

    Mafia 2 - Wishes of Hogwarts

    Ok, so, I'm not really around, but I have some thoughts.

    No Hermione again. Caito has been dead. And he posted this:

    And then you have the fact that Kareemah was randomly screaming about Mazer, which is some odd info to have when you're as new as her. Which makes me think she knew Caito's role because she cannibal killed him.

    Vote: The Homely Man

    Next best place to start from my perspective
    Psych should be able to see all the holes in this.

    I'm targeted by a red. And it wouldn't make sense for me to be a purple.

    And we've had power and role tomfoolery.
  28. Mazer

    Mafia 2 - Wishes of Hogwarts

    What do you call it when you entice the coach of the golden state warriors?
  29. Mazer

    Mafia 2 - Wishes of Hogwarts

    confirmed I guess.

    lemmings GIF
  30. Mazer

    Mafia 2 - Wishes of Hogwarts

    oh dammit.

    Run Away GIF
  31. Mazer

    Mafia 2 - Wishes of Hogwarts

    the number one rule of void's rules is don't talk about void's rules
  32. Mazer

    Mafia 2 - Wishes of Hogwarts

    I laughed. Challenge thrown out.
  33. Mazer

    Mafia 2 - Wishes of Hogwarts

    I had to spell that out. For fear I cracked the code.
  34. Mazer

    Mafia 2 - Wishes of Hogwarts

    I'm honestly not sure what BN did that's unique. Unless VK really hates double exclamation marks.
  35. Mazer

    Mafia 2 - Wishes of Hogwarts

    Vk truly is Umbridge with all these rules.

    Does the truth hurt voidkitten? I'm sorry, but I must not tell lies.
  36. Mazer

    Mafia 2 - Wishes of Hogwarts

    wow. right after he made a post about it.
  37. Mazer

    Mafia 2 - Wishes of Hogwarts

    Every game I worry about val. And every game I get told it's just val. And in fairness, that's usually what it is. but it can't always be.

    So, I support BN in trying to get more info there.
  38. Mazer

    Mafia 2 - Wishes of Hogwarts

    Vote: Kareemah

    I'm not sure I can add anything else on today's read.


    The thing to keep in mind on the past reads to identify scum, you have to look at where there's certainty. On a normal read, they won't know who's on the other team. So even a good read on someone who is dirty, doesn't rule them out for one.

    As well-I agree with most of Psych's spreadsheeting, but am not ruling out treachery for some characters where the flavor makes sense (filch, moody, etc). And of course there's going to be at least some bastardness in actions.

    The account of wishes, particularly since Scum got one, is also a factor I'm considering.
  39. Mazer

    Mafia 2 - Wishes of Hogwarts

    you know what they say when you make assumptions :rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:
    That you've engaged in a process that is nigh involuntary given the workings of the human brain, but where it is possible for one to improve with a combination of intelligence and developed reasoning strategies?

    That was my first thought. But I didn't want to just make an assumption.
  40. Mazer

    Mafia 2 - Wishes of Hogwarts

    I would assume vk would probably run the same base set for a joat hide, most likely?
  41. Mazer

    Mafia 2 - Wishes of Hogwarts

    Id assume this push would look superbad on you if she flips town and i doubt you doin that to yourself
    Lol.....It would be a weird thing for me to try to set-up.

    Diva claimed dees. From this one, i can actually see how it would work based on the write-up.


    And I did try to ask myself if there was any 3pups potential or false claim potential here. I do have a moment of worry about Queenie's write-up. I guess I just think that would be a weird way for Diva to want to false claim. And because of what I see as a strategy with some slip-ups in those posts I quoted, this feels like a high percentage shot.
  42. Mazer

    Mafia 2 - Wishes of Hogwarts

    The only die if hiding behind someone performing a successful kill is also the default set-up on all my games. So anyone who has played my games, or has a copy of my gamerunner notes would have that.
  43. Mazer

    Mafia 2 - Wishes of Hogwarts

    Im still curious how can kareemah be scum if fred hid behind her and didnt die?
    I know this opens possibilities for me, but let's make sure we look at this accurately. Vk and I had a long conversation in Super mafia kart where I was the hider, and he didn't know it yet. I was breadcrumbing out for when I eventually died hiding behind someone, we'd be able to clear the inactives I was validating and know who killed me. He thought it dying if it hid behind any scum made it too OP.

    So, my assumption has been the default hider set-up for any hider and not the more powered one. Could be wrong. But at least he was really clear about how he felt about the all scum thing.
  44. Mazer

    Mafia 2 - Wishes of Hogwarts

    I'm not sure what to make of the basilisk. I know they petrify people but I wonder if that'd happen as a day event or night event? Would it be permanent or temporary? It could very well just be flavour to make us paranoid, even.
    Depends how VK sees the set-up I guess. Obviously they were healed in the book, once they were able to craft the candidate. But since VK is a dirty flavor heretic, who already introduced resurrections into the world of Harry Potter, we can't be sure how bound is he to rules of the universe. Or even the rules of common decency.

    But now I am paranoid about the basilisk having a day action. So thanks for that stressor.
  45. Mazer

    Mafia 2 - Wishes of Hogwarts

    We should also be cautious based on queenie's write-up. They might not have anticipated dees, but you would guess that at least one person would have an agenda today.
  46. Mazer

    Mafia 2 - Wishes of Hogwarts

    Peeves targeting cwe twice, although he was already dead the second time, is interesting.

    Cwe is a power player, so anyone could be a suspect. But the determination there would typically lead me to a rajah player.
  47. Mazer

    Mafia 2 - Wishes of Hogwarts

    Since this is actually probably going to likely end up with me being a bigger target, my aggressive factor might need to go up.
  48. Mazer

    Mafia 2 - Wishes of Hogwarts

    Mazer is the one who killed Caito, Hermione never showed up on the write up so I figured it was related based on my spreadsheet, Caito has voted Mazer immediately after checking on him, there’s good evidence against him but I wanted to confirm, no one else seemed to notice and I’ve been waiting bc I didn’t want to call him out and look like scum but fuck it, I’m very positive I am right about this and anyone is free to double check if they don’t want to lose another townsmember
    Vote: The homely man
    This is the other one. She said she didn't want to call me out and look like scum.

    If she was very positive, there's no way that you should worry about looking like scum for calling out a theory like that. Especially if you truly believe it would get you a good result.

    But if you're thinking you'll lead a bad lynch, then you worry about how you're being perceived after.

    Kareemah is newer, but obviously a cvery smart person. I think we just have a spot of someone getting cornered and making a few slips on their desperation play.
  49. Mazer

    Mafia 2 - Wishes of Hogwarts

    Trust me you do not want to vote me, i have info on the death eaters but I’ve been wanting to confirm first but if that doesn’t matter then im taking a townsperson with me so good luck
    I have been looking to see if there's anyway there could be bastardness or whether Diva could be launching a false claim against a new player (now that we're far enough along for it to feel less cheap).

    But I can't get over a few things.

    This post, where she says specifically that she's taking a townsperson with her seems like a frustrated, late in the day, slip.
  50. Mazer

    Mafia 2 - Wishes of Hogwarts

    Im thinking me comming back is because he just wanted to show ppl his rules and what happens i think morris "protection" is him losing a bpv
    Cwe was protected and possibly BN from kill 1? Are you saying your difference was not due to role mechanics (in your view)?

    And to an earlier point, given the Badger polyjuice and cwe death, I'm not sure how anyone would argue no night action tomfoolery.
  51. Mazer

    Mafia 2 - Wishes of Hogwarts

    I don't breadcrumb. That's stale. I leave a series of ingredients hidden in the landscape of your mind.

    Plumb the depths of your psyche.....and then bake the cake.
  52. Mazer

    Mafia 2 - Wishes of Hogwarts

    Guess i need to go reread SOD.

    Thanks for pushing my name to peoples thoughts for rez though
    I play the percentages
  53. Mazer

    Mafia 2 - Wishes of Hogwarts

    You'd guess Peeves or alliance based on last night. Could be a different play though.
  54. Mazer

    Mafia 2 - Wishes of Hogwarts

    Other ppl can go read and piece together, that it’s you, I’ve already done my research
    A lot of role cards are published after games. You can read any of them.

    Look at cwe's role, and then his stated rules about me and psych And why he didn't push me.

    And then ask someone if what I'm saying makes sense.


    Was this the big play you guys were waiting for when one of you got tracked?

    Because if you had honestly believed it, why would you say sit on it unti people pushed you? Why the "guess you don't care"

    The waiting until you were identified is the biggest distraction tell.
  55. Mazer

    Mafia 2 - Wishes of Hogwarts

    When did I team with listo?
  56. Mazer

    Mafia 2 - Wishes of Hogwarts

    “Seem” or do you know this bc it’s on ur role card
    Mostly I've played more than a few games lol.
  57. Mazer

    Mafia 2 - Wishes of Hogwarts

    That’s not very believable, I know ur a death eater or an alliance member and I’m not going down for ur actions so :)
    You may want to go back to the scum chat and ask how the hide mechanics work.

    And the cop mechanics.

    Maybe wait until someone is else is back in the thread.
  58. Mazer

    Mafia 2 - Wishes of Hogwarts

    And if he’s not scum, then lynch or kill me right afterwards but I’m not wrong about this
    Also both voldemort and grindewald seem to be godfathers.

    Who wouldn't be detected in a check.

    So one more reason.
  59. Mazer

    Mafia 2 - Wishes of Hogwarts

    Mazer is the one who killed Caito, Hermione never showed up on the write up so I figured it was related based on my spreadsheet, Caito has voted Mazer immediately after checking on him, there’s good evidence against him but I wanted to confirm, no one else seemed to notice and I’ve been waiting bc I didn’t want to call him out and look like scum but fuck it, I’m very positive I am right about this and anyone is free to double check if they don’t want to lose another townsmember
    Vote: The homely man
    You said I killed caito? I was hid behind that night.

    That didn't happen.

    False claim. Good Hail Mary though.

    Listo seemed to be cleared as well.
  60. Mazer

    Mafia 2 - Wishes of Hogwarts

    You ll not get any Gates sweet & spicy, I can tell you that much
  61. Mazer

    Mafia 2 - Wishes of Hogwarts

    ....or does he?


    Also stop stealing my talking your scum identity in 3rd person gimmick.


    If you start breadcrumbing sexiness, we're going to have an issue here.
  62. Mazer

    Mafia 2 - Wishes of Hogwarts

    Fortunately someone came along and built a lovely new 2 story mailbox. And let the family live in his house until the mailbox renovations were completed.

    He then filed all the appropriate paperwork with the HOA.

    I'll give you 1 guess who that was
  63. Mazer

    Mafia 2 - Wishes of Hogwarts

    Dolores Umbridge is too evil for this game
    I dunno. Vk, who is treasurer of his HOA, once had a family remove their decrepit mother from their home because their home didn't meet the required mail box size for a family of 5.
  64. Mazer

    Mafia 2 - Wishes of Hogwarts

    Is mad eye moody really barty crouch?

    How did vk also miss Harry Potter's greatest villain? Or is he secretly playing the role of Dolores Umbridge himself?
  65. Mazer

    Mafia 2 - Wishes of Hogwarts

    embarrassing parks and recreation GIF
  66. Mazer

    Mafia 2 - Wishes of Hogwarts

    A better question might be how he feels about his push on Badger.
    How do you feel about the folks on the Badger train?
  67. Mazer

    Mafia 2 - Wishes of Hogwarts

    A better question might be how he feels about his push on Badger.
    Don't tell me my business, devil woman.
  68. Mazer

    Mafia 2 - Wishes of Hogwarts

    @Jarrod1983

    Now that there's been some flips how do you feel about dreyski's initial push on you? If attention is somewhere else today, do you see value in a future push there?
  69. Mazer

    Mafia 2 - Wishes of Hogwarts

    ive stated ive liked psycho but what are the chances hes fake clearing ppl hes been calling ppl "clean" but that could be a gimmick and thats kinda why i town leaned him however how do you feel about him?
    It's psych, so I always worry.

    But I haven't seen the elements of his scum style as much of his play. More frustrated and potentially hints.


    Generally I think that there are some connections forming in this game, and things are starting to come together for me. Might be at a point where if someone missteps their team could go quickly.
  70. Mazer

    Mafia 2 - Wishes of Hogwarts

    If kareemah is dirty, then that looks a tad better for dreyski.

    Although you wouldn't expect all scum to stay off early after it picked up steam. And two teams, etc.


    Since we know now Badger is town, it might be good to see who pushed hard without reason.

    Also, like the blind Ninja resurrection choice. Since he was double targeted, smart odds play
  71. Mazer

    Mafia 2 - Wishes of Hogwarts

    The information sounds solid, and it should be Kareemah. And I can at least make sense of this one from the flavor. It does seem that we should make sure people get votes and posts in.
  72. Mazer

    Mafia 2 - Wishes of Hogwarts

    So, we had Badger get fucked up with a polyjuice potion. Said it went wrong. And then we had Filch cast protego and seem to take out CWE. We at least know Badger was town at this point. It does make me worry that something is happening with actions going wrong
  73. Mazer

    Mafia 2 - Wishes of Hogwarts

    Do we think the Voldemort action was just 3 random people or Voldemort selected 3 targets?
    It says he found the people he wanted.
  74. Mazer

    Mafia 2 - Wishes of Hogwarts

    Kinda surprising i exspected alot more from a few ppl Nd it was a disappointment not a way to get on my town list
    this is so scummy that it almost crosses the void to a town read.
  75. Mazer

    Mafia 2 - Wishes of Hogwarts

    This is why vk has to put Lora in witness protection
  76. Mazer

    Mafia 2 - Wishes of Hogwarts

    remember: do not make me flunk you tomorrow! Read your leaves, check your crystals, throw your runes - and make sure you tell me what prophecies you see! No one wants to get flunked. Truly.
    I see a little silhouetto of a man,
    Scaramouch, Scaramouch, will you do the Fandango!
  77. Mazer

    Mafia 2 - Wishes of Hogwarts

    My guess is it was an amplify/roleblock protection. It could maybe be a motivation, but it doesn't really read like that to me. So I think it guaranteed that Xan's action went through.

    I have no clue one what action Xan took, though, or if he was even active last night for it to matter.
    If that's true, it would make me feel better. Still a bit worried, depending on how VK types out his roles.
  78. Mazer

    Mafia 2 - Wishes of Hogwarts

    On the mechanics, and me being boosted. If I was bus driven, would I actually have been targeted with the boost?
    True. I was more curious about the effect
  79. Mazer

    Mafia 2 - Wishes of Hogwarts

    I actually forgot him and 3pups got probably bus drove, in which case Moody is probably not a traitor, because he intended to protect 3pups which is a pretty pro-town move at that point.

    As far as what I think it means for Xanjori, if it was a traditional bus drive, I think 3pups was a top kill choice and throwing your partner right into the line of fire when you know you're not controlling the kill is a hell of a gambit.

    Though, this also makes me think that Xan is kind of an interesting person to protect on that night. And if I'm not misremembering, wasn't Argus Filch on the side of the Death Eaters in the conclusion of things? So if there is a traitor, Filch is an option and I could see him maybe protecting scum or something he thought was scum. I'm not really sold on that, though.
    That's interesting. I need to noodle there. I was more thinking of the boost.
  80. Mazer

    Mafia 2 - Wishes of Hogwarts

    I think he probably targeted Badger with bus drive, and got confused when he saw Badger drink the potion without any other person in the write-up. I wondered if maybe he even targeted Badger and Blind Ninja and got it mixed up somehow.

    Tough to say, but so many weird things happen in these games, it's easy to see how that could play out.
  81. Mazer

    Mafia 2 - Wishes of Hogwarts

    I don't think it's impossible that Xanjori is scum, but I don't think he's Peeves. At least, if he is, it's pure coincidence and the night actions don't reflect that, because I feel like Moody amplified his action rather than allowed him to act twice. And again, I don't think the action separated by lines was an actual night action.

    And I don't buy CWE's generic reasoning, especially when I think Xan's posts about Future were justified.

    Speaking of Future, he seems a bit more quiet this game, but I also know that he was camping last weekend, and apparently he had strep. But also the private chat thing is  interesting because if an outside player made that chat, I don't know why specifically Future was paired with 3pups. If somehow 3pups initiated the chat like Future postulated, it would make sense.

    I'd like to hear his response to me about the Dreyski wagon if nothing else.
    Any thoughts on Xan with mechanics last night?
  82. Mazer

    Mafia 2 - Wishes of Hogwarts

    3pups came in extremely confident on Badger. Claiming info, and even talking about his skill as a spreadsheeter.

    I believe I brought that up earlier, and asked 3puppies directly. The explanation he had previously given had made sufficient sense to me. It potentially even makes a little more sense now that his role is revealed. I don't fault anyone for asking questions to 3p, and trying to understand what he was saying. But as he revealed it, it was a high percentage play. He obviously made a newer player mistake.

    I understand how this set-up makes some people nervous, particularly if you've really never seen anything like it. This is going to rely on reads and associations. The scenario here is with now that we know what happened with 3 puppies, how would people react to that? It's looking at probabilities and tells at this point.
  83. Mazer

    Mafia 2 - Wishes of Hogwarts

    Vote: Dreyski

    this is not me saying bring me the head of xan, but i would like to see him vetted.
  84. Mazer

    Mafia 2 - Wishes of Hogwarts

    Assuming my initial future train was on scum (that's why still in second) on Xanjori's team... pushing off of fellow scum trying to poke holes in the train.

    Assuming future is the opposite scum team...poking holes for future mislynches.

    Then the other tells already listed. It's weak. But I don't see much of anything else and I've already had an attempt on my life so I want blood.
    The one thing that stands out to me from the write up in regards to Xan is him getting that boost from Mad Eye and then Peeves appearing to act twice. But I think somebody else said that the way the second Peeves action is separated in the write up that it may be flavor and not mechanics?
    This is a complete shot in the dark, but having an action move up or motivated is intriguing to me right now.
  85. Mazer

    Mafia 2 - Wishes of Hogwarts

    Aliens. I shot the busdriver who switched our targets. You protected my target of Rip. I felt it in my bones then, and I feels it on Xanjori now. What did Rip flip that game? :chin:
    I remember all the mechanics, but promptly disregard all flavor once a game is over.

    The busdriver f-up was amazing. That.....did not work out well for scum.
  86. Mazer

    Mafia 2 - Wishes of Hogwarts

    I'm not on the future anymore so I'll use my new train...

    Classic tell me why we can lynch you tomorrow...

    fishing...

    Hops on the latest train.

    3 generic scum tells.

    :sherlock:
    Do you see any potential mechanic reasons for suspicion last night related to Xan?

    I am leaning to dreyski. Right now, I'm more confident in my list of people I don't want to kill than those I want to. There's some interaction with Jarrod. Re: jarrod - I have never really seen him put himself out there much as scum until he's forced to. So, I think his activity strikes me true. And I felt like I didn't like some of the explanation and process around 3pups. And obviously it seems that 3p making a mistake was the right interpretation.

    Because of the correlations, my main interest is dreyski.

    I'm also thinking the need to hammer is going to get in the way of some of my ability to read the momentum and late pushes. VK frustrating me rn.
  87. Mazer

    Mafia 2 - Wishes of Hogwarts

    CWE susses me and psych until forever. Psych and I get there to a lesser extent. That was where the whole Spiderman meme came from.

    Which still worries me that I've currently got both in my trust tree. Psych's name change has made me chill out, I guess.
  88. Mazer

    Mafia 2 - Wishes of Hogwarts

    I've had sus on Mazer during a game where I 100% knew his role and he knew mine after a mod fuck up (name that game @The Homely Man ) and still voted him because of the Mazer lives mindset. They talked me down rather easily...

    :lol:
    What was that one Predator? I played that one on vacation. I remember replying to you from the beach once, and basically just saying "stop it".
  89. Mazer

    Mafia 2 - Wishes of Hogwarts

    Between work, valentine's day, and sick kids yesterday got a little away from me. Going to look to do a focused read through this morning, and see where i land on main suspicion.
  90. Mazer

    Mafia 2 - Wishes of Hogwarts

    Could Snape place people in a chat?
  91. Mazer

    Mafia 2 - Wishes of Hogwarts

    Why is it that whenever I can not remember off the top of my head who scum was in a game...then I go check...I ended up dying night 1 in that game?

    :lol:
    Some people get drunk to forget. You get sober to forget.
  92. Mazer

    Mafia 2 - Wishes of Hogwarts

    We've got a sassy lad gamerunner.
  93. Mazer

    Mafia 2 - Wishes of Hogwarts

    At this point I’m assuming 3pup’s info was wish-related, given he wasn’t mentioned in the N1 writeup.
    Thats not really how he explained it though
  94. Mazer

    Mafia 2 - Wishes of Hogwarts

    I know we can't discuss the modkill itself, but assume that we can discuss that he was town and therefore likely did not have a partner in pushing badger. which gives us at least a little to look at.

    Which still stands by that we can't really make any assumptions about badger.

    Which is just frustrating.
  95. Mazer

    Mafia 2 - Wishes of Hogwarts

    A scum rolecheck ability makes one think they have to find someone.
  96. Mazer

    Mafia 2 - Wishes of Hogwarts

    Much like the Quicktopic scum/dead chats
    that still hurts. i was cleaning up some bookmarks just yesterday, and shed a tear for the first quicktopic I was ever a part of.

    #vanillatownforever
  97. Mazer

    Mafia 2 - Wishes of Hogwarts

    it was a beautiful moment in time. Now forever lost
  98. Mazer

    Mafia 2 - Wishes of Hogwarts

    I would tell you how I know it but I would have to point to another game that doesnt exist anymore so I wont ;p
    Curiouser and Curiouser
  99. Mazer

    Mafia 2 - Wishes of Hogwarts

    I'm saying it's not. It was a vote theft. As far as I know I still have my vote so not sure it was successful but that was 100% the action. Hagrid might be a JOAT of sorts but either way his action last night is exactly what I say it is.
    good distinction. Action vs. role
  100. Mazer

    Mafia 2 - Wishes of Hogwarts

    I think this one is amplify it makes target action go before all others.
    Interesting. I was thinking of a different possibility, but that could be as well.
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