Mafia 33 - Gym Leader Mafia

[VoidKitten]

I just wanna know what I'll flip as :D

 

[Foxxi]

I wanna know why you don't know what you'll flip as lmao

Do you not even know what you are? XD

 

[Handium]

Spoiler: Pings

@VoidKitten
@Val the Moofia Boss
@CWE
@Listo95
@Foxxi

(3) VK - Foxxi, CWE, Listo

(3) Hammer - Foxxi, Listo, VK

Voidkitten has been lynched. They were Mafia.

Spoiler: Role PM

Spoiler: Original

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Welcome the Water-Type Specialist of Sootopolis Gym; you are Jaun! You are ???.

Amnesic
--
You will gain the role of the first killed player.
Your alignment may change, and you will flip as both Amnesic and the gained role.

Lost
--
You don't know your alignment prior to your new role.

Spoiler

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Welcome the Water-Type Specialist of Striaton Gym; you are Cress! You are Mafia.

1x Janitor
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Once per game, you may use this action.
When you janitor a kill, the Role PM is hidden when Mafia's kill is revealed. You will be given the Role PM instead.

Neighbor
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At any point during the game, you may use the Neighbor Chat along with 2 other people.
Being a Neighbor does not signify alignment.

Enabled
--
When all Neighbors are alive, you will result in a Town check by Alignment Cops. However, if Cilan or Chili die; you will lose this.

Why would they suspect only one of the triplets anyway? ;)

TOWN AND INDEP HAS WON THE GAME!

 

[Handium]

Adding everyone to the chats

 

[Blind Ninja]

@VoidKitten Why did you decide to kill me last night? I have my theory, but want to see if Im correct

 

[Handium]

amnesiac is a very silly role to use

 

[Blind Ninja]

@VoidKitten Why did you decide to kill me last night? I have my theory, but want to see if Im correct

NVM, I looked at the Mafia thread and see yo guys rolecoped me

 

[Foxxi]

NVM, I looked at the Mafia thread and see yo guys rolecoped me

You also blocked them murdering me... so likely decided to squash you dead for that XD

 

[Foxxi]

I gotta know @Handium - did Val trust grumpy because he cop checked him n1? Because he shouldn't have gotten results for grumpy XD

 

[Handium]

I gotta know @Handium - did Val trust grumpy because he cop checked him n1? Because he shouldn't have gotten results for grumpy XD

yes he did, and yes, he didnt get results lmfao

 

[Blind Ninja]

You also blocked them murdering me... so likely decided to squash you dead for that XD

I was wondering if they saw that I liked the comment about someone likely protecting you, when nobody died n2

 

[Foxxi]

Okay, so Val really did just trust grumpy based on the hider comment okay -- I'd legit wondered if Val had been given every result wrong... it'd have been pretty damn funny XD

 

[Val the Moofia Boss]

Thanks for hosting the game, Handium!

 

[Handium]

Okay, so Val really did just trust grumpy based on the hider comment okay -- I'd legit wondered if Val had been given every result wrong... it'd have been pretty damn funny XD

the two mistakes I made this game were both with Vals role

 

[Handium]

val you are so lucky because I messed up both future and vks results

 

[Foxxi]

I was wondering if they saw that I liked the comment about someone likely protecting you, when nobody died n2

I figured you'd prolly stopped the kill when you liked that post. I suspected it was prolly on me, but didn't have anything but a hunch for that

 

[VoidKitten]

NVM, I looked at the Mafia thread and see yo guys rolecoped me

And then I ate your corpse in retaliation.

 

[Blind Ninja]

I figured you'd prolly stopped the kill when you liked that post. I suspected it was prolly on me, but didn't have anything but a hunch for that

And then I ate your corpse in retaliation.

I was back and forth on who to protect N3... either Foxxi again or myself... It would have been fun if I decided to protect myself and foil your plans

 

[VoidKitten]

So if anyone is confused by my claims and such.

I had assumed I was the 1 independent because Handium had my color the same purple as Independent. However, I can see where that logic was flawed due to the "your alignment may change" comment (it wouldn't be may if I was the only independent). That is why I said I was defending Handium and that it is bastard but not to the level that I thought.

So for the game to have started the way it was, I was starting town and part of the 9 Town makeup and because you fucks decided to kill Psycho first, made me convert to the scum team. I had assumed the independent claim would keep me alive until all of the other scum were dead and was hoping that Future could run it since he was being derp cleared by Foxxi (which is why we tried to kill her the night BN docced).

I think I would have just made myself marked as town and not the same color as independent, if it were my game. It adds unneeded confusion when I was clearly already town and it wouldn't have actually mattered if I knew that or not.

So for Handium to not be a bastard, I should have flipped Green turned Red :)

 

[VoidKitten]

I was back and forth on who to protect N3... either Foxxi again or myself... It would have been fun if I decided to protect myself and foil your plans

I considered this, but the game was lost at that point any way so decided to go for revenge. Which is why I killed GC too for checking me like the meanie he was.

 

[VoidKitten]

I wanna know why you don't know what you'll flip as lmao

Do you not even know what you are? XD

I knew what I'd flip as, but not what color I'd have been shown as originally.

But the only way the starting makeup was accurate was if I was town.

 

[Handium]

the only actual bastard was Death Miller

 

[Handium]

I knew what I'd flip as, but not what color I'd have been shown as originally.

But the only way the starting makeup was accurate was if I was town.

correcto amnesic started as town however yall got lucky and made the game 8:4:1

 

[Blind Ninja]

I considered this, but the game was lost at that point any way so decided to go for revenge. Which is why I killed GC too for checking me like the meanie he was.

Like I said in my post death comment, by that point my job was done. Helped with 2 lynches and got a major protect done. Would say well played on my part, even if it resulted in my death

 

[Handium]

anyhow yall can now make fun of the setup because I wanna say it was just good town but I feel like it was also kinda the setup that caused the sweep

 

[VoidKitten]

Like I said in my post death comment, by that point my job was done. Helped with 2 lynches and got a major protect done. Would say well played on my part, even if it resulted in my death

Let's be fair here. Two lynches were because of mod mistakes confirming us as mafia and me misunderstanding the role and colors.

Was it the only thing? Not at all because there was great solving regardless and the PoE was narrowed instantly.

 

[VoidKitten]

anyhow yall can now make fun of the setup because I wanna say it was just good town but I feel like it was also kinda the setup that caused the sweep

It feels townsided with two cops. One alignment and one modifier that would basically confirm things anyway (like my inheriting of the abilities).

I think the biggest thing was the D1 yeet of the godfather that threw any form of balance out of the window because it was like worst possible scenario :D

Plus misunderstanding of the rolecards and I wouldn't have claimed neutral and some other bullshit instead.

 

[VoidKitten]

Also, I fucking hate cops as a role and this is why I barely put them in games I make. :D

At least alignment cops. Other cops are alright.

 

[Handium]

yeah i fucked up the cop three times

 

[Handium]

>Lemme post the google sheet with the roles
>I fucking misread the alignment cop
>I made the alignment cop inf instead of 2x
>I messed up the balance because I couldn't read

 

[Handium]

guys I need to learn how to read

 

[Handium]

FoS - Gym Leader Mafia - Role List

docs.google.com

here's what the setup was (well supposed to be if I didn't mess up basically everything with the alignment cop)

 

[VoidKitten]

FoS - Gym Leader Mafia - Role List

docs.google.com

here's what the setup was (well supposed to be if I didn't mess up basically everything with the alignment cop)

The 2x on alignment cop would have 100% helped the balance overall for sure.

Looking at the sheet, I don't think it was wildly unbalanced. You had two negative utility to town possibly (me and Listo, though I could have been beneficial to town)

So welcome to modding. Not reading and fucking mechanics up. Trial by fire :D <3

You should mod again. We all learn by making mistakes and overall this was a good game.

 

[Blind Ninja]

Let's be fair here. Two lynches were because of mod mistakes confirming us as mafia and me misunderstanding the role and colors.

Was it the only thing? Not at all because there was great solving regardless and the PoE was narrowed instantly.

can you blame the psycho or 3pup lynches on mod mistakes?

As I said, my job was done by the time I got killed

 

[Handium]

can you blame the psycho or 3pup lynches on mod mistakes?

As I said, my job was done by the time I got killed

specifically, the vk and future lynches were caused by my mistakes because vk should've shown as town and future shouldve had no results

 

[Foxxi]

specifically, the vk and future lynches were caused by my mistakes because vk should've shown as town and future shouldve had no results

I wouldn't beat yourself up over the Void one too much. He'd prolly still have gotten chopped with the 3p claim when game didn't end. And honestly I don't think a "no result" would have saved future from poe here either.

Ultimately though, modding has a lot of moving parts, you did well for your second game with so many things to keep track of =)

 

[VoidKitten]

I wouldn't beat yourself up over the Void one too much. He'd prolly still have gotten chopped with the 3p claim when game didn't end. And honestly I don't think a "no result" would have saved future from poe here either.

Ultimately though, modding has a lot of moving parts, you did well for your second game with so many things to keep track of =)

I think Future may have survived a day, but ultimately, I do not think the game would have ended any differently.

 

[VoidKitten]

Activity Finger Awards:

Congrats to the following people for earning their activity Fingers

@MTR
@Blind Ninja
@GrumpyCat
@Foxxi
@Claws

You will each receive 5 fingers when I post the count forum page later on.

Future was so so close. He had the posts but didn't vote one day. Tsk tsk tsk

 

[Foxxi]

I think Future may have survived a day, but ultimately, I do not think the game would have ended any differently.

It would depend on if others felt strongly enough to go elsewhere... cuz I'd still have pushed future. I'd determined if it wasn't claws, it had to be future - and a ?? cop result wouldn't have swayed my feelings on that I don't think. The only thing that might have made me reconsider was if Val got a "town" result. Then I may have gone into tinfoil land on matthieu.

 

[VoidKitten]

It would depend on if others felt strongly enough to go elsewhere... cuz I'd still have pushed future. I'd determined if it wasn't claws, it had to be future - and a ?? cop result wouldn't have swayed my feelings on that I don't think. The only thing that might have made me reconsider was if Val got a "town" result. Then I may have gone into tinfoil land on matthieu.

I mean it really comes down to you analyzing whether or not another town role would have Hider, like Grumpy claimed.

You already saw Psycho flip as the "godfather" so its possible that alongside the other negative utility you may have gone tinfoil on someone else. (lowers power of cop if town roles don't always give town type thing)

We won't know, but it may have changed feelings and not been a speed yeet on Future.

 

[VoidKitten]

I was dead the moment I claimed 3p. I knew as soon as all the mafia were yeeted, it would be my death.

I was already planning my post if that happened.

"*taps fingers together*

Well this is awkward..."

 

[Foxxi]

I mean it really comes down to you analyzing whether or not another town role would have Hider, like Grumpy claimed.

You already saw Psycho flip as the "godfather" so its possible that alongside the other negative utility you may have gone tinfoil on someone else. (lowers power of cop if town roles don't always give town type thing)

We won't know, but it may have changed feelings and not been a speed yeet on Future.

The godfather part wouldn't even factor - unless I am misunderstanding, Val should have gotten "no result" which wouldn't have made me feel differently about future since it's null info - it doesn't change anything. If I'm wrong and Val got "town" then that could have changed things

 

[Foxxi]

I was dead the moment I claimed 3p. I knew as soon as all the mafia were yeeted, it would be my death.

I was already planning my post if that happened.

"*taps fingers together*

Well this is awkward..."

You totally should have done that XD

 

[VoidKitten]

The godfather part wouldn't even factor - unless I am misunderstanding, Val should have gotten "no result" which I wouldn't have made me feel differently about future since it's null info - it doesn't change anything. If I'm wrong and Val got "town" then that could have changed things

My point is you look at build setups.

Grumpy, a town user, already claimed Hider which gives Unknown.

You saw that the Mafia already had their GF flipped, which is typically the only "investigation proof" stuff Mafia typically has.

If Val had gotten "Unknown" on Future, I am postulating that you would have sat and considered which alignment was more likely to have another Hider at that point. Would it make sense to give it to Mafia or would it make sense that town has it as a way to push back on the cops of all sorts.

Again, I don't think it changed anything for the outcome, but I do believe Future would not have been speed yeeted based on that and there would be room for tinfoil/considerations.

 

[VoidKitten]

You totally should have done that XD

Claws flipping as 3p ruined that for me because I was more trying to figure out how bastardy Handium was :D

 

[Foxxi]

My point is you look at build setups.

Grumpy, a town user, already claimed Hider which gives Unknown.

You saw that the Mafia already had their GF flipped, which is typically the only "investigation proof" stuff Mafia typically has.

If Val had gotten "Unknown" on Future, I am postulating that you would have sat and considered which alignment was more likely to have another Hider at that point. Would it make sense to give it to Mafia or would it make sense that town has it as a way to push back on the cops of all sorts.

Again, I don't think it changed anything for the outcome, but I do believe Future would not have been speed yeeted based on that and there would be room for tinfoil/considerations.

Maybe. But I also felt pretty damn strongly about everyone else as town so mechanics plausibility may not have had as much weight.

I think I'd have stayed focused on future, but it's entirely possible others wouldn't have been as convinced.

 

[3puppies]

Like I said in my post death comment, by that point my job was done. Helped with 2 lynches and got a major protect done. Would say well played on my part, even if it resulted in my death

Definitely well played on your part. I consider your vote on psycho to have just been bad luck for the mafia team, but you and Foxxi were too much for me to overcome, despite Claws' over-acted efforts to seem scummy. You both saw through my fake jailor claim.

How common is it for town to get through a game without ANY town misyeets?

 

[Foxxi]

Definitely well played on your part. I consider your vote on psycho to have just been bad luck for the mafia team, but you and Foxxi were too much for me to overcome, despite Claws' over-acted efforts to seem scummy. You both saw through my fake jailor claim.

How common is it for town to get through a game without ANY town misyeets?

It happens occasionally, but not super frequently.
Couldn't give you specific ratios tho

 

[VoidKitten]

Maybe. But I also felt pretty damn strongly about everyone else as town so mechanics plausibility may not have had as much weight.

I think I'd have stayed focused on future, but it's entirely possible others wouldn't have been as convinced.

It also depends on if Val said he trusts Future or specifically called him Unknown since im pretty sure with GC he just said "I trust GC"

 

[VoidKitten]

Either way, didn't matter in the slightest as you guys could have had another misyeet regardless and it would be obvious by that point :D

 

[Foxxi]

It also depends on if Val said he trusts Future or specifically called him Unknown since im pretty sure with GC he just said "I trust GC"

This is true. If he just didn't wanna yeet future that could have been interpreted as a town check

 

[Foxxi]

Whelp. That was my mafia game for the year. Time for this fox to hibernate again

 

[3puppies]

Whelp. That was my mafia game for the year. Time for this fox to hibernate again

Foxxi, you deserve the town MVP, because as a vanilla townie you had nothing to go on but your impressive skills.

 

[Foxxi]

I vote BN - swapping to pysch and saving my life were game shaping moves. I didn't do anything really. Arguably my best contribution was just being alive cuz Void knew I'd never let a yeet happen on Val XD

 

[Blind Ninja]

I vote BN - swapping to pysch and saving my life were game shaping moves. I didn't do anything really. Arguably my best contribution was just being alive cuz Void knew I'd never let a yeet happen on Val XD

Appreciate the vote and bode of confidence. Couldnt have done it without your consistent voice. Would be content to split the MVP with ya, but not outright.

 

[VoidKitten]

A poll is up in the discord for what we want the next game to be. Its only up for 24h so vote if you want. Or PM me your vote and I'll add it.

@Claws I assume I know which game style you want?

TOS
Kingmaker
Traitors

 

[Handium]

Somehow Hand - who's never even played with me I don't think - just *knew* I'm too powerful to be given any additional benefits. So I am a lowly VT

the rand gave you the role twice in a row even tho I was going like "that wouldnt be fun to be the only role without anything"

the second time told me it was fate

 

[Handium]

@Foxxi with the decree of I, you shall get the 10 extra fingers

 

[Foxxi]

the rand gave you the role twice in a row even tho I was going like "that wouldnt be fun to be the only role without anything"

the second time told me it was fate

Lmao XD

Fun fact: VT is my favorite role =P

 

[GrumpyCat]

So for Handium to not be a bastard, I should have flipped Green turned Red :)

Should have started as green town. Opening post said 9 town. Just an easy fix to the role.

Thx for participating in a free beta test :D

 

[MTR]

Thanks for hosting the game Handium. It was fun even if I didn't get to use my shot and play past night 1. It was fun to watch. I like never get killed night 1 so kind of funny once i saw who was on the scum team.

 

[GrumpyCat]

Thx for a game Handium. I think it was well balanced and mistakes are there to learn from. You get a finger of approval to make more games here. i am all up for them.

I think psychos death set the game not only because he was the strongest scum role but also with 1/3 neighborhood vibe.

 

[Handium]

Cress was favored for roles lmfao

 

[MTR]

Yeah totally do another game at some point.