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Satsu said:

Thats a lie.

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Badger said:

Also just gonna wait and see if there’s any further input before voting as don’t want to rush this.

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FoxxiMcLeod said:

Well there is Morri, so not reaped, whoo! Which means the reaper probably hit a protected target..... awww you did try to murder me, didn't you Listo? You're caught. You know it - now do us a favor and tell us who Mazer targeted N1?

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Xanjori said:

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Satsu said:

Ok Listo we dont have much time left. prepare your logbook and copy paste it here. Chop chop.

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FoxxiMcLeod said:

..... do you have nothing to say Listo?

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Satsu said:

No I was just curious. Lets say for example I was a hunter and used wolf day action to bleed someone. Would the mod tell me. "you made your target bleed" or " target is immune to bleeding" or I wouldn't be told anything.

Irrelevant for now.

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Satsu said:

Ey Listo, if someone attacks someone with bleed would they be told is they started to bleed or they are immune to bleed? I mean by a mod.

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FoxxiMcLeod said:

I'd vote him a second time right now if I could

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Val the Moofia Boss said:

Vote: Xanjori

I'm unconvinced that wasn't a slip. Who knows if Xanjori is actually post restricted or if he is just shat up and was hoping we would think he is post restricted after he realized his screwup. If Xanjori flips scum then I'd take a look at Badger for suggesting the idea. Second guessing ourselves isn't going to get us anywhere.

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Matthieu said:

Use your logbooks, people.

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FoxxiMcLeod said:

And ehhhhh... even the idea of getting results for himself, doesn't mean he and I were swapped. Someone could have just redirected him back at himself and he's assuming that means we were swapped. That actually seems highly likely. A drunk could have just made him target himself.

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Satsu said:

Why would court wizard tornado you last night unless they would want you to die. And wouldnt it make more sense for them to tornado you with themselves to take a heal? It is really unlikely that scum would make a kill attempt on a bleeding out target.

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FoxxiMcLeod said:

I can see a couple of explanations for where a tornado hit me and I still live. If someone made the healer immune to redirect would be the main one, possibly another redirect on the healer back to me? Not sure the order of that.

I'm more concerned with why he thinks he knows it was specifically the two of us that were swapped

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FoxxiMcLeod said:

And I have been reading over cards trying to see how he could possibly know both targets of a tornado, and maybe I am missing something, but I don't see how.

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FoxxiMcLeod said:

He's claiming that he somehow knows that he and I were swapped

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FoxxiMcLeod said:

@Listo95 -- am I missing something about the roles somewhere? Is there any way Xan could actually know that he and I specifically were swapped, because the only action feedback I see is the Noble, and I don't see any way it could tell him both of the targets of a tornado effect.

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CWE said:

If anyone guesses it, you are entered into a raffle to own my vote.

(Raffle tickets non-transferable and non-refundable).

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FoxxiMcLeod said:

Observe is seeing who HE visited, not who came to him. It is very important right now that you are sure you used observe.

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LemonDemonGirl said:

At this point, nothing I say or do can keep me alive.

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LemonDemonGirl said:

Not me, that's for sure.

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LemonDemonGirl said:

View attachment 4
This is how the people "accusing" me look when they write their posts. Just imagine Boyfriend and Girlfriend represent the ACTUAL Scum.

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Kareemah said:

Wdym by Poe?

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FoxxiMcLeod said:

Thou I suppose if she had been blocked, VK may not have bothered waiting for her to submit an action

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FoxxiMcLeod said:

I have to laugh at this, since that is the exact opposite of what you did XD

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FoxxiMcLeod said:

If you're not a fool - give me something. You've had a lot of input about the mechanics of how this game works, but not much else.

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FoxxiMcLeod said:

I was beginning to think you might not be a fool after all. Good job undoing that in one post.

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Kareemah said:

Everything claws says after this message is him explaining his process, he didn’t explicitly say that he’s cult but from what I see, he basically said he acted like he was the paladin correct me if I’m wrong please, but after that mtr and future voted to pardon him, but then claws was executed as being cult so

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Kareemah said:

I don’t have have anyone in mind really but I am suspicious of mcr and future for voting to pardon class when he literally admitted to being cult when he was pitted but they may have voted to pardon before he admitted, I don’t remember

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FoxxiMcLeod said:

It also occurs to me... we didn't see any restrictions yesterday, not sure how relevant it may be, but Claws may have begun as an apostle and was the one that hit MTR perhaps

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FutureHold said:

I'm not sure what the starting cult is, but i would love it for the cult to be gone

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FoxxiMcLeod said:

If he tried to recruit N1 it had to have been successful- this game has a mechanic that the first recruit attempt had bad luck protection - if the cult had tried to recruit someone they couldn't for whatever reason, they would have gotten a random person they could recruit. And I originally thought he would have chosen to recruit too, especially since Lora seems like a strange kill target for him, but I don't think it's impossible he would have thought to wait a night and let people behave normally/ gauge who might be a good pick - after all, what are the odds he and Claws would both bite it back to back?

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FoxxiMcLeod said:

yup =\ if I'm not healed tonight, I die

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FoxxiMcLeod said:

The OP specifies that someone isn't told they are bleeding until the end of the phase, so there's no way to know when Claws decided to stick his claws into me- I just got told as night began.

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Matthieu said:

I probably won't bother using my bleed ability unless we end up with one of those situations where we catch out two players at once or someone manages to convince me it's worth using.

Maybe to help deal with persistent lurkers?

Nobody dying might mean someone was converted instead? Assuming the cult successfully recruited someone on N1. As much as I'd like to hope that we've eliminated the cult I don't think they'd have avoided recruiting someone on N1.

Unless anyone has anything specific to reveal then we might have a lead in the form of people who didn't really weigh in much during D2? It's not like there wasn't anything to discuss at the time.

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FoxxiMcLeod said:

I got told at the start of night, it happened sometime during D2

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FoxxiMcLeod said:

Whelp. I have a parting gift from Claws. At least I assume it was him and not Grae - I'm bleeding.

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Val the Moofia Boss said:

Town doesn't win by pardoning people. Town's only way to eliminate scum is to lynch. No lynches = no town win. Even if town is lynched, you are still narrowing down the scum through by building up a voting record. There is no reason to pardon a player unless we are certain he is town. If you have a night action then you should be using it to lay the groundwork to clear yourself later when you go on trial.

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Blind Ninja said:

We do have people that havent said anything this portion of day phase....

@morrison @Listo95 @FutureHold @MTR @DivaSmurf @LemonDemonGirl @Xanjori You guys have any input to potentially sway away from an execute?

phase has 9hrs or so left i think

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FoxxiMcLeod said:

It's possible I suppose - but the bear only kills if the hunter is targeted for a kill, and Lora as the sellsword didn't have any way to kill. So the only death that could have been due to that would have been Mazer, which would mean Mazer tried to kill Lora and someone who is a hunter (it's worth remembering that roles are not unique, there *could* be multiples)

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FoxxiMcLeod said:

How would a redirect work in the case of having two targets chosen initially? If Mazer tried to kill two other players, and someone redirected him to Lora, would it redirect both of the kills to Lora? Or just one? What happens to the other kill, and how would it be decided which is redirected?

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FoxxiMcLeod said:

It also would mean a kill had to have been prevented somewhere because I don't think the cult can choose to only kill one person.

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FoxxiMcLeod said:

What other thoughts do you have about players?

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FoxxiMcLeod said:

To make this very argument? This is a bunch of wifom.

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FoxxiMcLeod said:

No. Because I've already said it, and restricting me at this point would only look more sus.

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FoxxiMcLeod said:

Right, but they start with 2 souls, and circle only costs one soul. And if they choose someone who has a high probability of being a target of at least *one* person, then there is at least one death, and they will get the soul they spent back. If both of those deaths were to a reaper, they would actually come out with 3 souls... it doesn't seem all that unlikely to me. Nothing to confirm that's what happened as yet, but absolutely in the realm of possibility.

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FoxxiMcLeod said:

Are you really only now getting this? After the several comments about how I suspect you may be the fool?

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FoxxiMcLeod said:

.......first of all, why do you find reaper to be very unlikely? Secondly mr.knowledgebase - the alchemist can't even attack until N2.

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Claws said:

can you prove this ?

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FoxxiMcLeod said:

No one is going to *know* except maybe the paladin? I think a paladin could find out now that I think about it. The ability doesn't say it can't target the king anyway.

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LemonDemonGirl said:

And just like that the Cult Leader is dead? Lol?

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morrison said:

yeah, but you also seemingly provided a bunch of confused knowledge when it comes to the mtr/king/morrison stuff, so how trustworthy are those intentions.

you're trying to use those intentions to now fly a weak 'i shouldn't be lynched' defense out there, but considering how fucky your help was there at the end of the phase, and that you haven't just owned up to the confusion, it makes me feel like you're really trying not to commit too far one way, and i don't know that an innocent person would willingly keep themselves neck deep in something.

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FoxxiMcLeod said:

I have reasons to trust badger currently, and that's all I'll say about that.

The chat I had with listo amounted to:
Convince me you are BD
No, you convince me
*sent gif of a BD*
*sent confused gif*
And then I called him dense in thread.

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Blind Ninja said:

and yet you misled with a comment in the execute/pardon vote of MTR and brought up the king at the time...

And helping soooo much. Bit of a stretch.

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FoxxiMcLeod said:

I was holding onto that, for that reason. It does feel a bit too blatant. Although considering I think I am the only one that actually picked up on it, maybe it wasn't. His behavior has been strange thou, practically taunting Psycho today to attempt to yeet him.

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PsychoSoldier said:

Oh this is gold. I'm gonna push Listo for a misyeet. How's this post look:

"Barely anyone was voting Morrison and we were already on execute/pardon for MTR

This doesn't really make sense and makes me wonder how much you actually cared about who got eliminated last phase

Vote: Listo"

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FoxxiMcLeod said:

Which reminds me - why are you assuming Morri is a good king? I mulled this over through the night and eventually remembered/realized it's impossible to have tmi on the king's alignment - so your comment was just you assuming things... but why?

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morrison said:

mtr isn't the king, so this wouldn't have applied.

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FoxxiMcLeod said:

It's possible you didn't, I realized the cult means there may be an apostle. But I still don't trust you.

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FoxxiMcLeod said:

That is an excellent start!

Also. I don't trust Listo, I have suspicions he may have been responsible for MTR yesterday.

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FoxxiMcLeod said:

Yeah, I don't see anything in the OP that says if we execute incorrectly we can't vote the next day. And I remembered the fool card had something, but even it wouldn't outright stop voting, but it would have to be unanimous... which realistically does mean it wouldn't likely happen. But that would only be if MTR is the fool, and considering the goal of the fool is to be executed and he is pleading not to be.... I doubt that's his role.

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Claws said:

And you stopped talking backwards how odd

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FoxxiMcLeod said:

In other news: Listo is dense.

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morrison said:

going for the blatant self preserve here. kareemah changed her vote but didn't unvote, and it looks like void didn't count it but i'm gonna make sure the math works out just in case he goes easy on her this first phase.

just now saw diva came in and voted mtr anyway, but whatevs.

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morrison said:

ain't it.


i do wonder these things myself.

if they were cult or unseen, pushing the king day 1 has the potential to chop the balls off their faction's future if it turns out to be their king, as any future king aligned with them will lose the close allies ability, which will be way more powerful and useful in the long run than any of the starting good king perks. only other reason to push would be if they were worried about a psycho king and a night kill, but the odds don't play well to make that push.

at the time of the votes, there was no runaway leader, so i don't know that voting the king could have been an attempt at a smokescreen play. so oddly enough, i think i actually trust lora and val a lil bit...

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Blind Ninja said:

@Listo95 Without me going back and looking at all the roles, anyone have a condition to overthrow the king? Thats if you can remember off the top of your head. Not sure I wanna take the time right now to look.

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Val the Moofia Boss said:

Two people trying to steer town away from the king already, hm....

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Kareemah said:

I was gonna do the same thing, takes longer to read

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Matthieu said:

I can't help but distrust you these days...

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Matthieu said:

Vote: Listo

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morrison said:

and if you tell me there is a brittany murphy neutral killer joke i will literally run into a wall.

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FoxxiMcLeod said:

There are no pre-game actions. But there are a few roles that can give post restrictions as a day action. MTR's reaction, along with my belief it's unlikely he is the sort to do something like this as a prank, makes me feel we have one of those roles.

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FutureHold said:

Good catch

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FutureHold said:

MTR might've been hit by the Apostle, a cult role, so he won't confirm he got hit with a post restriction, but if he keeps it up, he won't get occupied.
Or he got hit by the Illusionist, an unseen role, same deal
Or he got hit by the Scorned, same deal but neutral, or even the fool

I hate this game

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FutureHold said:

Maybe there's a role that comes with a passive post restriction?

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Claws said:

Follow up question who do you think did that to you mtr

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FoxxiMcLeod said:

Vote: MTR
I'd vote Listo, but I guess he should be allowed to actually play this game for a little while.

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Mazer said:

But I won't ask it repeatedly.

Unless, I change mind and want to.

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FutureHold said:

Vote: MTR

Claws is next

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