Mafia 1 - Throne of Suspicion

[CWE]

If I was cult, Psycho would be my #1 draft pick. I even said it (in the now dead Covid quicktopic. RIP Quicktopic). I'm not.

How much can we say?

Could we theoretically say exactly what we are?

 

[Nightingale]

Foxxi's coming to a lot of the same conclusions I was as I was looking back over the last phase. Claws honestly spews a lot of people as non-cult. I do think the votes/push on Jarrod is the weakest out of the bunch, but overall the timing makes me think they aren't aligned.

Not Cult: Xan, Jarrod, MTR, Badger, Foxxi, Blind, Grae, Diva, Val

Some of those(Foxxi and Badger primarily, Probably Blind, Xan, Grae) I think are town regardless.

That leaves: morri, LDG, Kareemah, CWE, Future, Listo

I think morri is probably clean, but I think mechanically he could have been Mazer's partner and Claws was the recruit, so it's worth considering.

CWE just today voting me has me second guessing, but I also don't exactly think he's playing like he was recruited N1. I have suspicions about him being neutral though.

Future had a couple posts and vote timings that made me hmmmm, and the only thing holding me back is the pardon would probably be too blatant.

Listo seems more likely to be a neutral trying to be helpful to stay alive without drawing too much nightkill attention by suspecting people.

Kareemah is interesting because I think Claws saying that was his paladin target may be too on the nose? But then kareemah's vote on Xan was interesting timing, especially since it came as some pressure was building on Claws. I'm really torn there.

LDG is a complete neutral and as many have said would be a smart conversion pick.

Morri, even if he were a cult king, would not have been part of the cult chat. He'd be more like a 3p scum aligned

 

[Matthieu]

You can claim in this game, though it might be better to use a whisper to inform someone you trust as to what your role is rather than broadcast it to the game as a whole.

 

[Nightingale]

And I poked CWE earlier and he said nothing had been done to him, and even I can't think of a way that would allow him to avoid lying if he had been recruited

 

[Nightingale]

You can claim in this game, though it might be better to use a whisper to inform someone you trust as to what your role is rather than broadcast it to the game as a whole.

I have to laugh at this, since that is the exact opposite of what you did XD

 

[Listo95]

I have to laugh at this, since that is the exact opposite of what you did XD

Its Grae what else should we have expected? lol

 

[Nightingale]

@PsychoSoldier - what is it that makes you feel grae isn't cult? I have light tinfoil that even though he probably wouldn't be Mazer's first choice, if Mazer tried to recruit someone he couldn't then Grae could have ended up as the bad luck choice. Hunter as a claim is exceptionally safe in that scenario too if that's what he began as... you know no one is going to counter you, and since the cult can still cause bleeds, if you need to "prove" it, it's feasible.

 

[CWE]

You can claim in this game, though it might be better to use a whisper to inform someone you trust as to what your role is rather than broadcast it to the game as a whole.

IF I told everyone, it might be for the best...

If I'm understanding what I am correctly.

 

[CWE]

You can claim in this game, though it might be better to use a whisper to inform someone you trust as to what your role is rather than broadcast it to the game as a whole.

As if I would know how to do that. Lol.

 

[Badger]

Indeed, can’t see him being the whispering drunk type. More like cursing the bar while playing darts on his Caito dartboard.

 

[CWE]

I'm really fucking good at darts.

 

[Nightingale]

I'm really fucking good at darts.

I'm ashamed to admit I have no idea what you are trying to claim with this. But I also don't know that it matters to me since your response earlier was satisfactory XD

 

[CWE]

Nothing. And everything.

 

[ForgottenHold]

Future, Kareemah, or LDG. I think those are the votes we look at if we're trying to find a cult member

Vote: LemonDemonGirl

Misyeet ahoy!

I am not cult, the cult wishes they could have me around as cannon fodder

 

[ForgottenHold]

Vote: Jarrod

 

[PsychoSoldier]

@PsychoSoldier - what is it that makes you feel grae isn't cult? I have light tinfoil that even though he probably wouldn't be Mazer's first choice, if Mazer tried to recruit someone he couldn't then Grae could have ended up as the bad luck choice. Hunter as a claim is exceptionally safe in that scenario too if that's what he began as... you know no one is going to counter you, and since the cult can still cause bleeds, if you need to "prove" it, it's feasible.

It's all about Claws' approach to Grae in the last phase. It seemed like he was genuinely trying to drum up suspicion there. Don't think they're aligned.

 

[PsychoSoldier]

Vote: Jarrod

Why Jarrod? Why note LDG or Kareemah?

 

[Matthieu]

I'm surprised nobody picked up on the real reason why I claimed.

For starters, people are going to think twice about pushing me during the day phases since if they're wrong my passive ensures that I take someone with me - and I could readily question why someone so insistent that I'm to be distrusted is also unwilling to serve as the hammer.

At night, I have <REDACTED> charges of an ability that prevents me from being killed or converted. Which even accounting for WIFOM, means that scum are likely to leave me alone.

Even if someone happens to think I'm lying, for whatever reason, the chance that we have some sort of tracking or investigation role in play who could catch me out is very high and there's the ability for players to whisper each other which means that even if they don't reveal such a lie within the thread itself they can let someone they trust know without revealing their role.

 

[CWE]

Unvote: Psycho
Vote: FutureHold

 

[PsychoSoldier]

In fact, why were you more concerned with defending yourself rather than discussing the other names I proposed? Especially since I didn't even vote you.

 

[CWE]

Why Jarrod? Why note LDG or Kareemah?

You don't poke a snake. You shoot it.

 

[ForgottenHold]

In fact, why were you more concerned with defending yourself rather than discussing the other names I proposed? Especially since I didn't even vote you.

Why not?

 

[ForgottenHold]

Unvote: Psycho
Vote: FutureHold

I have a very important role, voting me is not what you want to do

 

[ForgottenHold]

as for the others. Kareemah is very new and LDG is LDG, good targets but i doubt they are cult

 

[ForgottenHold]

I'll be busy for a while and won't be able to respond

 

[Nightingale]

It's all about Claws' approach to Grae in the last phase. It seemed like he was genuinely trying to drum up suspicion there. Don't think they're aligned.

That makes sense. I had been concerned about the votes, plus my own paranoia that a converted hunter claiming hunter would be safe. And grae has a point that it would be fairly easy to check his claim in a number of ways, so nvm. I'll go put my tinfoil away XD

 

[Nightingale]

And I don't think future is the way to go today. We should look elsewhere

 

[Nightingale]

Vote: kareemah

 

[CWE]

Unvote: FutureHold
Vote: Kareemah

 

[VoidKitten]

Vote Count:

2 - Kareemah (Foxxi #728, CWE #729)
1 - CWE (Kareemah #646)
1 - Val (Listo #648)
1 - LDG (Psycho #700)
1 - Jarrod - (Future #715)

With 16 players alive, majority for nomination is 9 votes on a single player.

 

[PsychoSoldier]

as for the others. Kareemah is very new and LDG is LDG, good targets but i doubt they are cult

Ok, so where are your thoughts as far as people you don't trust? Don't think you've shared that beyond voting Jarrod

 

[PsychoSoldier]

And I don't think future is the way to go today. We should look elsewhere

Why not future? And thoughts on LDG?

 

[Kareemah]

Sounded mocking but for now it is merely noted. At least Kareemah is talking.

Thank you!

 

[Kareemah]

Vote: Divasmurf

Said she would check in after being questioned and voting for Claws. That was days ago.

They have COVID guys where is ur compassion

 

[PsychoSoldier]

Again, my hesitance with kareemah is how on the nose it would be with Claws' claim

 

[Nightingale]

Why not future? And thoughts on LDG?

I think I know who he is claiming.

 

[Kareemah]

Vote: Unvote cwe
Vote Count:

2 - DivaSmurf (Badger #652, Matthieu #665)
1 - Jarrod (CWE #643)
1 - CWE (Kareemah #646)
1 - Val (Listo #648)

With 16 players alive, majority for nomination is 9 votes on a single player.

 

[LemonDemonGirl]

Future, Kareemah, or LDG. I think those are the votes we look at if we're trying to find a cult member

Vote: LemonDemonGirl

Misyeet ahoy!

I'm the Cop pls no Execute

Jokes aside, I'd suggest looking elsewhere. My action on Foxxi failed.

 

[Nightingale]

As for LDG... I feel like she a schrodingers box of mafia. She's a super easy target to fall on, but also someone likely to be ignored. I don't have anything to sus her on other than poe and I don't like it

 

[Kareemah]

Foxxi's coming to a lot of the same conclusions I was as I was looking back over the last phase. Claws honestly spews a lot of people as non-cult. I do think the votes/push on Jarrod is the weakest out of the bunch, but overall the timing makes me think they aren't aligned.

Not Cult: Xan, Jarrod, MTR, Badger, Foxxi, Blind, Grae, Diva, Val

Some of those(Foxxi and Badger primarily, Probably Blind, Xan, Grae) I think are town regardless.

That leaves: morri, LDG, Kareemah, CWE, Future, Listo

I think morri is probably clean, but I think mechanically he could have been Mazer's partner and Claws was the recruit, so it's worth considering.

CWE just today voting me has me second guessing, but I also don't exactly think he's playing like he was recruited N1. I have suspicions about him being neutral though.

Future had a couple posts and vote timings that made me hmmmm, and the only thing holding me back is the pardon would probably be too blatant.

Listo seems more likely to be a neutral trying to be helpful to stay alive without drawing too much nightkill attention by suspecting people.

Kareemah is interesting because I think Claws saying that was his paladin target may be too on the nose? But then kareemah's vote on Xan was interesting timing, especially since it came as some pressure was building on Claws. I'm really torn there.

LDG is a complete neutral and as many have said would be a smart conversion pick.

What do you mean? And guys I’m Butler, not pulling a claws but genuinely the Butler. That’s why no one has been able to do actions on me and why I’m pushing so hard to see if Morrison is good or not

 

[Badger]

They have COVID guys where is ur compassion

I didn’t see Diva mention Covid so wasn’t aware.

 

[Kareemah]

I didn’t see Diva mention Covid so wasn’t aware.

I know I’m joking but they do have COVID

 

[Kareemah]

Again, my hesitance with kareemah is how on the nose it would be with Claws' claim

Thank you sir lol

 

[Badger]

What do you mean? And guys I’m Butler, not pulling a claws but genuinely the Butler. That’s why no one has been able to do actions on me and why I’m pushing so hard to see if Morrison is good or not

That’s an interesting claim…

 

[CWE]

Unvote: Kareemah

 

[Nightingale]

I am trying to chew on those claims.... neither of them is impossible...I'm more inclined to believe kareemah's - but that leaves me with LDG which feels dirty.

I'm the Cop pls no Execute

Jokes aside, I'd suggest looking elsewhere. My action on Foxxi failed.

what else have you done?

That’s an interesting claim…

it's not impossible.

 

[Kareemah]

Vote: ldg
I’m going to go with ldg or cwe bc they seem to be common denominators in both lists people have made

 

[Nightingale]

Unvote: Kareemah
Vote: LDG

 

[Kareemah]

That’s an interesting claim…

I’m not good enough at the game yet to lie so I wish I was lucky enough to be cult first game, that sounds fun, but I have been serving wine to people I think that’s suspicious/suspected me of being cult so if they wanted to do an action against me they wouldn’t be able to, and constantly asking Morrison what’s his side so pull a card if he’s cult

 

[Badger]

I’m not good enough at the game yet to lie so I wish I was lucky enough to be cult first game, that sounds fun, but I have been serving wine to people I think that’s suspicious/suspected me of being cult so if they wanted to do an action against me they wouldn’t be able to, and constantly asking Morrison what’s his side so pull a card if he’s cult

Tbf we have had newbies come in and pull this act before. Nothing personal, just wary.

I’m not good enough at the game yet to lie so I wish I was lucky enough to be cult first game, that sounds fun, but I have been serving wine to people I think that’s suspicious/suspected me of being cult so if they wanted to do an action against me they wouldn’t be able to, and constantly asking Morrison what’s his side so pull a card if he’s cult

Tbf we’ve had that act before from newbies so not out of the woods yet in my eyes. But at least you’re talking.

I’m gonna hang fire and see if LDG gives us more details on her action.

 

[VoidKitten]

Vote Count:

3 - LDG (Psycho #700, Kareemah #747, Foxxi #748)
1 - Val (Listo #648)
1 - Jarrod - (Future #715)

With 16 players alive, majority for nomination is 9 votes on a single player.

 

[Badger]

Rewrote a sentence and forgot to take the original one out there.

 

[Kareemah]

Tbf we have had newbies come in and pull this act before. Nothing personal, just wary.

Tbf we’ve had that act before from newbies so not out of the woods yet in my eyes. But at least you’re talking.

I’m gonna hang fire and see if LDG gives us more details on her action.

That’s fair

Tbf we have had newbies come in and pull this act before. Nothing personal, just wary.

Tbf we’ve had that act before from newbies so not out of the woods yet in my eyes. But at least you’re talking.

I’m gonna hang fire and see if LDG gives us more details on her action.

since you don’t believe me I can poison the king if you like to prove my innocence but then we have a poisoned king to worry about

 

[Badger]

Who said I disbelieved you? I just found the claim interesting and worth pondering.

 

[Nightingale]

That’s fair

since you don’t believe me I can poison the king if you like to prove my innocence but then we have a poisoned king to worry about

This is an awful idea. For one thing, if the rest of us are right and he is a good king - YOU also will die. But frankly, the fact you're even offering to do this leans you more town to me.

 

[LemonDemonGirl]

what else have you done?

That's pretty much it. I forgot to do my action the night before

I’m gonna hang fire and see if LDG gives us more details on her action.

 

[MTR]

Well before the claim I was already leaning town for Kareemah and yeah I am sticking with that.

I don't think Badger is cult but not sure if they are town or neutral.

I think Foxxi and CWE are town.

Not sure what to think of others just yet. Struggling to keep up today. Stupid work.

And yeah as mentioned above Diva has covid so not sure how much we will see them this day phase. They are staying somewhere else to make sure the rest of us don't catch it.

 

[Nightingale]

I had to go check...That's not possible. D2 began early - no actions could have been forgotten.

 

[Nightingale]

Thou I suppose if she had been blocked, VK may not have bothered waiting for her to submit an action

 

[Listo95]

Thou I suppose if she had been blocked, VK may not have bothered waiting for her to submit an action

I don’t feel like that would be in his style? Unless she was jailed.

 

[PsychoSoldier]

What do you mean? And guys I’m Butler, not pulling a claws but genuinely the Butler. That’s why no one has been able to do actions on me and why I’m pushing so hard to see if Morrison is good or not

What do I mean as in my reason for considering you as cult? It's that you voted Xanjori at a time when Claws was starting to get legit heat. Ergo, scum/cult/non-town team members generally vote for people other than their partners in an attempt to save them.

That said, I think if Claws was your partner, he probably wouldn't have claimed you as his N1 target. So I'm thinking it's less likely.

 

[PsychoSoldier]

Also, I figured you were the butler when you hinted at being able to poison the king.

Fwiw, I think Morrison is probably fine.

 

[Val the Moofia Boss]

I've never seen Foxxie flip flop back and forth like this before. Alarm bells going off.

Vote: Foxxie

 

[Kareemah]

This is an awful idea. For one thing, if the rest of us are right and he is a good king - YOU also will die. But frankly, the fact you're even offering to do this leans you more town to me.

Thank you that was the point lol I know it’s a bad idea bc we believe he’s good so why vote me but if people decide to execute me for some reason I will do it and yes, I am an Aries if that matters

 

[Kareemah]

Well before the claim I was already leaning town for Kareemah and yeah I am sticking with that.

I don't think Badger is cult but not sure if they are town or neutral.

I think Foxxi and CWE are town.

Not sure what to think of others just yet. Struggling to keep up today. Stupid work.

And yeah as mentioned above Diva has covid so not sure how much we will see them this day phase. They are staying somewhere else to make sure the rest of us don't catch it.

Thank u lol

 

[PsychoSoldier]

As for LDG... I feel like she a schrodingers box of mafia. She's a super easy target to fall on, but also someone likely to be ignored. I don't have anything to sus her on other than poe and I don't like it

Ok, so why feel so strongly about kareemah?

Also, let's not forget that any people converted have a pretty clean claim and that doesn't really mean much in the long run, so I'm not quick to give thaf pass to Future when he hasn't really been contributing to discussion past self-defense.

 

[Kareemah]

Also, I figured you were the butler when you hinted at being able to poison the king.

Fwiw, I think Morrison is probably fine.

Yeah true

 

[PsychoSoldier]

Unvote: Kareemah
Vote: LDG

I see I'm late, but I'm still curious about the answers

 

[Kareemah]

Who said I disbelieved you? I just found the claim interesting and worth pondering.

Ur right lol

 

[Nightingale]

I see I'm late, but I'm still curious about the answers

It was initially the vibe of the two claims. Kareemah's comes from a place that feels legit - if she'd been converted she would no longer have the ability to poison the king - so her focus on him - plus later offering to follow through on that possibility strikes me as genuine. As for LDG - the literal only reason to sus her before was poe, and she's often in the poe because of her playstyle. But I really can't think of who else I would suspect at this point. And then she claimed she forgot her action N1, when D2 began early... and that has me raising a brow.

 

[Nightingale]

Ok, so why feel so strongly about kareemah?

Also, let's not forget that any people converted have a pretty clean claim and that doesn't really mean much in the long run, so I'm not quick to give thaf pass to Future when he hasn't really been contributing to discussion past self-defense.

I won't go into specifics, but future really should not be a focus right now.

 

[Val the Moofia Boss]

Unvote:

Vote: LDG

 

[Val the Moofia Boss]

EBWOP thought I had unvoted

Unvote: Foxxie

Vote: LDG

 

[VoidKitten]

Vote Count:

4 - LDG (Psycho #700, Kareemah #747, Foxxi #748, Val 773)
1 - Val (Listo #648)
1 - Jarrod (Future #715)

With 16 players alive, majority for nomination is 9 votes on a single player.

 

[Kareemah]

It was initially the vibe of the two claims. Kareemah's comes from a place that feels legit - if she'd been converted she would no longer have the ability to poison the king - so her focus on him - plus later offering to follow through on that possibility strikes me as genuine. As for LDG - the literal only reason to sus her before was poe, and she's often in the poe because of her playstyle. But I really can't think of who else I would suspect at this point. And then she claimed she forgot her action N1, when D2 began early... and that has me raising a brow.

Wdym by Poe?

 

[Val the Moofia Boss]

Wdym by Poe?

Process of elimination

 

[Listo95]

Wdym by Poe?

Process of Elimination.

 

[LemonDemonGirl]

This is how the people "accusing" me look when they write their posts. Just imagine Boyfriend and Girlfriend represent the ACTUAL Scum.

 

[Listo95]

View attachment 4
This is how the people "accusing" me look when they write their posts. Just imagine Boyfriend and Girlfriend represent the ACTUAL Scum.

Then who is scum?

 

[LemonDemonGirl]

Then who is scum?

Not me, that's for sure.

 

[Val the Moofia Boss]

Not me, that's for sure.

That's not going to convince people to unvote off of you. You either need to explain why other people are scummier than you, or you need to explain why your actions make you townier than others.

 

[morrison]

Vote: ldg

if your action on foxxi failed night 2, i don't believe it was an honorable action.

 

[VoidKitten]

Vote Count:

5 - LDG (Psycho #700, Kareemah #747, Foxxi #748, Val #772, Morrison #782)
1 - Val (Listo #648)
1 - Jarrod (Future #715)

With 16 players alive, majority for nomination is 9 votes on a single player.

 

[VoidKitten]

A bit under 4 hours remaining in the nomination phase.

 

[Listo95]

Not me, that's for sure.

We want names.

 

[Jarrod1983]

Vote: LemonDemonGirl

If people have reason to believe you're up to no good then I will trust that.

I'm glad people came to their senses and didn't vote me. It's the wrong choice.

@FutureHold I don't like how people expressed their doubt that I am evil but you still vote me. I feel like I might have to pull a Andy and push you hard. Why are you voting for me again? Do you have the best of intentions here? I don't think so.

 

[VoidKitten]

Vote Count:

6 - LDG (Psycho #700, Kareemah #747, Foxxi #748, Val #772, Morrison #782, Jarrod 786)
1 - Val (Listo #648)
1 - Jarrod (Future #715)

With 16 players alive, majority for nomination is 9 votes on a single player.

 

[Badger]

Vote: LDG

 

[Matthieu]

Vote: LDG

 

[Listo95]

Unvote:
Vote: LDG

 

[Listo95]

Unvote: Val
Vote: LDG

 

[VoidKitten]

Final Vote Count:

9 - LDG (Psycho #700, Kareemah #747, Foxxi #748, Val #772, Morrison #782, Jarrod 786, Badger #788, Matthieu #789, Listo #791)
1 - Jarrod (Future #715)

With 16 players alive, majority for nomination is 9 votes on a single player.

—--------------

The sword fighting event was coming to a close and the King wanted to put on a spectacle for all in attendance. He looked at his participants and bid them to choose someone to face off against Ser Bertholdt in one on one combat.

The group quickly came together and chose LDG. “Give us a good reason why you shouldn’t have to face him,” they clamored.

LDG is now on trial

All votes have been reset and you may begin voting for execute/pardon/abstain.

Day 3 will end on January 18th at 8:00pm ET or when majority is reached. With 15 people valid for this trial, majority on execute or pardon is 8 votes.

@Satsu HAS SUBBED IN FOR DIVASMURF. PLEASE DO NOT DISCUSS THIS SUBSTITUTION.

 

[Badger]

Okay now that you’re on trial LDG, let’s hear some names on who you think is sus before we make our final decision.

 

[Kareemah]

Okay now that you’re on trial LDG, let’s hear some names on who you think is sus before we make our final decision.

He still hasn’t answered yet, his much time do we have left? I’m voting
Vote: execute

 

[ForgottenHold]

Alright i'm back

 

[CWE]

I'm leaning execute.

Someone tell me otherwise.

 

[Kareemah]

I'm leaning execute.

Someone tell me otherwise.

It’s been almost 12 hours and I feel like he’s stalling but it is 3am

 

[Badger]

He still hasn’t answered yet, his much time do we have left? I’m voting
Vote: execute

*She.

But yeah if there’s nothing from her later today then yeah may as well.

 

[LemonDemonGirl]

Vote: ldg

if your action on foxxi failed night 2, i don't believe it was an honorable action.

I'll say this, if all you fuckers were ACTUAL murder investigators, you'd end up jailing the wrong person.

Vote:
Vote: Execute

 

[Nightingale]

You can't actually vote to execute yourself LDG...