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Mafia 34 - The Prized Traitor
- Thread starter VoidKitten
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MTR
Mastermind
Because you and Tildey were the two people I was meh about so basically who I am leaning towards being traitors and I flipped a coin.
GrumpyCat
Godfather
They didnt kill me n1 because i said i died n1 in last traitors and they just happened to be that nice to me.
They didnt kill me n2 because somehow they figured out I got that shield.
They didnt kill me n3 because they were busy making some stupid lists.
They didnt kill me n4 because they didnt put me on a list.
Xanjori
Vigilante
Ok so what happened that somehow they just forgot to put your name on a list? Cos I dont see someone like Tildey just "forgetting" to kill towns most active member somehow
GrumpyCat
Godfather
They didnt forget, they did it on purpose because they thought I am the easiest possibly only one possible misyeet. And I would be gone so why put me there.
GrumpyCat
Godfather
My guess was that she got pissed at Listo for not accepting her shield bribe. And moved shield to MTR to leave Listo open for kill.
MTR
Mastermind
She said don't flip my vote to her and she gave me the vote. So I kept my vote on you. Not much else to it. I think she knew she was toast either way
MTR
Mastermind
Yeah reading through the rules again that seems to be the case. Honestly I feel like we should be voting to banish or end game now but whatever.
I think we know who we need to take out.
Listo95
Moderator
You work on getting your 10 posts. I very much don’t care about getting the participation awards cause I already missed it D1/2.
But yes I do believe it is obvious who we need to vote today.
MTR
Mastermind
MTR
Mastermind
I mean that is also fair.
MTR
Mastermind
MTR
Mastermind
60 F currently with fucking rain.
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VoidKitten
Cuddly, but Saavy
The group came to a decision quickly and decided one of them had to go and to be done with them.
Xanjori has been banished. He was a Traitor.
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With only three players remaining heading into the night phase, it now must be decided whether to end the game or proceed to another banishment vote. If only Faithful remain, the Faithful will split the prize evenly. If any Traitors remain, the prize will be split among the remaining Traitors.
Please submit your vote within Discord. Once I receive the three votes, I will post the results of this vote in the thread. If banishment is chosen, the thread will reopen and another banishment vote will happen, but will be submitted privately.
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You have until 9:00pm ET on April 17th to submit your vote whether to banish or to end the game.
Xanjori has been banished. He was a Traitor.
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With only three players remaining heading into the night phase, it now must be decided whether to end the game or proceed to another banishment vote. If only Faithful remain, the Faithful will split the prize evenly. If any Traitors remain, the prize will be split among the remaining Traitors.
Please submit your vote within Discord. Once I receive the three votes, I will post the results of this vote in the thread. If banishment is chosen, the thread will reopen and another banishment vote will happen, but will be submitted privately.
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You have until 9:00pm ET on April 17th to submit your vote whether to banish or to end the game.
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VoidKitten
Cuddly, but Saavy
The votes are in and are as follows.
GrumpyCat voted to end the game.
Listo voted to end the game.
MTR voted to end the game.
With that, the game has now concluded.
GrumpyCat was a Faithful.
MTR was a Faithful.
Listo was a Traitor.
CONGRATULATIONS TO LISTO ON A SOLO TRAITOR VICTORY.
Listo has received the entire prize pool of 250 Fingers.
Good game everyone! I hope you enjoyed it even though I wasn’t able to do the final 3 twist that I had wanted to do :D. Ah well.
If no one else plans to run a game, we will do a ToS style one soon.
GrumpyCat voted to end the game.
Listo voted to end the game.
MTR voted to end the game.
With that, the game has now concluded.
GrumpyCat was a Faithful.
MTR was a Faithful.
Listo was a Traitor.
CONGRATULATIONS TO LISTO ON A SOLO TRAITOR VICTORY.
Listo has received the entire prize pool of 250 Fingers.
Good game everyone! I hope you enjoyed it even though I wasn’t able to do the final 3 twist that I had wanted to do :D. Ah well.
If no one else plans to run a game, we will do a ToS style one soon.
Foxxi
Administrator
Game began with three traitors
GrumpyCat
Godfather
If someone wants to make a vanillatown game with 11 players and 3 mafia, then with good enough players it would be a challenging but still fiar setup.
But is you hide starting comp, imply recruitment mechanic and make ppl survivors I think it is scumsided.
Sorry to say but handium balances games better.
Thx gg <3
VoidKitten
Cuddly, but Saavy
The addition of Seer was intended to be the clue. Why would we add a mechanic that can 100% out someone/confirm them if we started with 2.
Traitors will almost always get into the final 3. It's the intention to keep the game more interesting.
Last game also had 3 traitors, just one was recruited :)
VoidKitten
Cuddly, but Saavy
Listo ran roughshod over the Traitors. From the moment he was given Traitor, he told me he planned to ensure they were eliminated so he could keep the prize.
Listo got lucky with the townread based on the maze game and that gave him a good path forward without eyes on him.
Even if Traitors had gotten 2 people into the final 3, they would not have won against the faithful necessarily. There were additional choices to make (the mechanics referenced if they became relevant)
Listo got lucky with the townread based on the maze game and that gave him a good path forward without eyes on him.
Even if Traitors had gotten 2 people into the final 3, they would not have won against the faithful necessarily. There were additional choices to make (the mechanics referenced if they became relevant)
VoidKitten
Cuddly, but Saavy
If there were three traitors in the final 3, they'd have been given the option to Share or Steal.
If all shared, they would share the prize. If one or two stole, the ones who stole get the prize. If all three chose steal, no prize was awarded.
If there were two traitors vs 1 faithful in the final 3, the same choice would apply to only the traitors.
If both shared, they'd win the prize. If one stole, that player would get the pot alone. But if both stole, the living Faithful would receive the prize instead.
If all shared, they would share the prize. If one or two stole, the ones who stole get the prize. If all three chose steal, no prize was awarded.
If there were two traitors vs 1 faithful in the final 3, the same choice would apply to only the traitors.
If both shared, they'd win the prize. If one stole, that player would get the pot alone. But if both stole, the living Faithful would receive the prize instead.
GrumpyCat
Godfather
Did you never bothered to ask or did you want to look towny by asking the players and not the mod? just curious.
MTR
Mastermind
yeah just wasn't a clue to me since it is used on the tv show so figure it was just something to use like the tv show. I mean I can see why it could be seen as a clue but meh. Well played on listo's part on having a town read and that we were pretty much convinced due to numbers only 2 traitors.
GrumpyCat
Godfather
You were not town read. it was a 2 scum world. If it was 3 you were always scum before mtr and cwe ;p
MTR
Mastermind
have I ever mentioned how much I suck at reads.
GrumpyCat
Godfather
VoidKitten
Cuddly, but Saavy
It was written on their rolecards so he should have known. I just assumed it was for town points.
VoidKitten
Cuddly, but Saavy
This is actually a fair point. Listo wasn't town read. He was just more towny than others :D
GrumpyCat
Godfather
More than Tildey and Xan? 100% ;p
VoidKitten
Cuddly, but Saavy
I think the infinite recruit makes it less like a mafia game, personally, but it ensures a traitor is in the final 3/4 so that vote has more oomph.
I could see a world where maybe they get like 1x forced recruit and 1x seduction (someone can say no) recruit or something.
Ultimately, being based on a TV show, they always want a traitor in the finals which is how the mechanics work.
I can see tweaks here and there.
I could see a world where maybe they get like 1x forced recruit and 1x seduction (someone can say no) recruit or something.
Ultimately, being based on a TV show, they always want a traitor in the finals which is how the mechanics work.
I can see tweaks here and there.
MTR
Mastermind
So they don't always get a traitor at the end. last US season all 4 were faithful at the end. I mean yes that is nice to make sure to get one there but doesn't always pan out.
They also don't have inifite recruits. last US season they were down to two I think and were given the option to seduce(person could say no) or do the kill. They couldn't agree on who to seduce so they did the kill. Then it was down to 1 traitor and they were down to 7 or so I think and they had her do an ultimatum and it was the last chance to recruit since near the end. if person said no then they were murdered but they were also allowed to murder that night if the person joined. didn't work out for them since the both got booted.
They also don't have inifite recruits. last US season they were down to two I think and were given the option to seduce(person could say no) or do the kill. They couldn't agree on who to seduce so they did the kill. Then it was down to 1 traitor and they were down to 7 or so I think and they had her do an ultimatum and it was the last chance to recruit since near the end. if person said no then they were murdered but they were also allowed to murder that night if the person joined. didn't work out for them since the both got booted.
VoidKitten
Cuddly, but Saavy
The main issue is that the games start with like 16-20 people so a lot more can be done in terms of recruiting or starting traitors.
I read one game started with 5. Plus the ability to seduce ahead of time. I would fully agree that there be a bottom limit as the game winds down.
More my point is that the producers don't plan everything ahead like we did this game (all the events were set for which day they'd happen). They adjust things to make it more compelling TV liek "oh lets do daggers, or seer, or w.e"
VoidKitten
Cuddly, but Saavy
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VoidKitten
Cuddly, but Saavy
The MVP award has been decided to be given to @Tildey by Foxxi and I.
This is because of her analyzing that ultimately guided the kill on Blind Ninja versus GrumpyCat. She had wanted to kill BN based on his comments in game and the maze. Xanjori also agreed, but Listo came in and said BN likely got the Shield as he probably did it in 8 moves and was arguing GC was a better kill. Tildey sat down and reviewed all of their comments and correctly deduced that GC was heading to the warp point and if he got it, would have gotten it in 7 moves and they submitted the kill on BN. Listo was panicking expecting it to fail, but ultimately it was the correct choice.
Without this, the game would have been different and may have led to more discussions. This is what allowed Listo to then betray the rest of the team and take the win for himself.
Congrats Tildey and good analyzing and intuition.
This is because of her analyzing that ultimately guided the kill on Blind Ninja versus GrumpyCat. She had wanted to kill BN based on his comments in game and the maze. Xanjori also agreed, but Listo came in and said BN likely got the Shield as he probably did it in 8 moves and was arguing GC was a better kill. Tildey sat down and reviewed all of their comments and correctly deduced that GC was heading to the warp point and if he got it, would have gotten it in 7 moves and they submitted the kill on BN. Listo was panicking expecting it to fail, but ultimately it was the correct choice.
Without this, the game would have been different and may have led to more discussions. This is what allowed Listo to then betray the rest of the team and take the win for himself.
Congrats Tildey and good analyzing and intuition.
GrumpyCat
Godfather
I was so kind that i ouright said how to get a shield faster than me.
The idea was to go far left and take a teleport. That should win in 6 moves.
Wouldnt work because there was a 3rd yellow teleport i didnt knoiw about.
Didnt need to say it but got a bit annoyed at BN pushing and saying i wasnt helping ;p
Tildey
Mafia Mom
The thing is what you read as “scum Tildey” is just busy Tildey. I Rand scum so damned often that I haven’t played town often enough to really have a definitive “town Tildey” persona.
Tildey
Mafia Mom
Awww!! Thanks!
GrumpyCat
Godfather
Reads are a mystery. I could say I thought you were scum because nights lasted long and i know when you are scum you are really worried that MTR can catch you a phone at any monent. So you might stall.
As much as i could say that Xan was scum because there is no way that is how mafia world champion towns ;> but i could give him a slack becuse that was not a mafia game.
And yry it was none of that. You just know when you know. Sry if I am a weird one here. maybe i am ;p
Xanjori
Vigilante
Was just trying to look towny, because from a numbers POV I didnt really see hwo traitors could lose
LemonDemonGirl
Scum Hunter
Xanjori
Vigilante
I also fell very heavily sick on the day we had the list.
Foxxi
Administrator
How so?
MTR
Mastermind
How? Listo steamrolled all of us
