Mafia 32- Traitors

[MTR]

I just want you to know. If I get voted out today and you are a part of it and town, I promise you I will remind you about this moment for the rest of your life.

You will quit this forum, move on with your life out of the House of MTR main fortress, and I will get your new address from MTR or Tildey and send you postcards to remind you of this moment.

If you have children, I will ensure they know about this moment in their father's storied mafia history.

I kind of want to see this happen now. Like really bad.

 

[MTR]

Vote: CWE
shield vote

Why are you voting for someone not up for murder?

 

[MitchRapp]

To clarify a few things since I have had questions.

1. Anyone can still be banished today.
2. The shield protects against murder at night, not banishment today.
3. Only people who can be murdered tonight are the 3 on the list.

 

[MTR]

First question of course is do we think the traitors put one of their own on the list? I can go either way on this. I am thinking they left themselves off the list. The list is pretty town in my view. But that doesn't leave many options left when it comes to who are the traitors.

 

[Handium]

First question of course is do we think the traitors put one of their own on the list? I can go either way on this. I am thinking they left themselves off the list. The list is pretty town in my view. But that doesn't leave many options left when it comes to who are the traitors.

I've noted it would be the obvious move from scum, if they took the move is another thing tho
the first thought WAS someone being scum on that list so it would've been an equally good move from scum for both not and putting sucm on the list depending how the discussion went

 

[VoidKitten]

This is not typical set up though so is this case. Just as long as one traitor is alive at the end they win.

Correct. My numbers accounted for this.

I assumed today would be 4/2. Misyeet and kill brings it to 2/2 and the vote to end game. Now let’s say scum agreed to kill a team member (because who needs em). That makes it 2/1. With the kill it’s 1/1 and game over at 2 with a solo traitor win I believe.

Now with it being 5/2 we have an extra misyeet unless this is an extra kill (to make up for not killing last night). If it is an extra kill we are in same place as earlier assuming they don’t hit the shield.

 

[VoidKitten]

At least 1 of those is a horribly wrong choice.

Is it a horribly wrong choice for the faithful to eliminate one of those?

 

[VoidKitten]

*at least one of those.

 

[FutureHold]

I have a strong feeling one of the people on the list is scum.

I’ll need to study further to determine if that is the case

 

[CWE]

Is it a horribly wrong choice for the faithful to eliminate one of those?

Guaranteed.

 

[PsychoSoldier]

You literally are accusing Handium of the same shit you said about Claws and Grumpy lol.

You're gonna have to explain that one, chief

 

[PsychoSoldier]

i noted that matt didnt seem too scummy but i wasnt going to brush them off yet

My argument is that you waffled on his alignment, and when it came to picking the scummy one between him and Void, you were leaning Void. Scum often will say their partner could be scum but won't commit to it, and when you make a T/W pairing and say the person opposite the traitor is the traitor, it looks like you're trying to save your partner without committing to hard.

I meant to vote forgottenhold and when I fixed my vote, it was on hold not void, also, looking at my ISO, i never voted void?

The mention of void's reasoning was from before- how i said they felt scummy to me due to saying 'i hate this post' 'i like this post' without explaining why

Maybe this is a language barrier thing or something because in the post you're responding to here, I quoted you saying that you thought people wanting to vote the shields were scummy, and then you said "vk's reasoning is likely a more of a 'me' thing rather than actually being scummy so psycho feels a bit more scummy that way." I get that you meant to say Future, not me, but even still that post reads as if you're saying "Void and Future were wanting to vote off shields and Future feels the scummier of the two."

Was that not what you meant?

The shade on grumpy was more of a "that doesnt seem towny with that mention of win con and how would having no shields help said win con unless they can kill?" i was admittedly looking way too much into a comment that was likely more 'shields remove people that could be choosen, and as such, increase my chance of death' or something like that

the claws vote was suspicious of me, im looking back on it and yeah why did i do that cause even tho i was confused on claws was going on about, it was a dumbass vote
i was up for like 14 hours straight then so get sleep everyone

I don't have anything to really say to this point because it's a fine explanation but also not one I think clears you of the other stuff I find suspicious

 

[PsychoSoldier]

My gut says Val or Hand for scum

But Hand has given me massive town vibes so me thinks my gut is wrong

Vote: Listo

Tbh this feels like a pure progression to me, even if it doesn't make much sense on the surface

 

[PsychoSoldier]

I think I can clear Handium for now, unless this is all a long con

You might have already been grilled about this, and if you were I'll be catching up to it soon. But in case you weren't, what was your thought process here?

 

[PsychoSoldier]

Val looks awful for the vote at the end.

Psycho looks awful for checking in and then dipping out, making it seem like he was truly concerned about checking in and not about putting thoughts out with 40 min to go. He was also okay with the rand.

MTR/Future are interesting.

Handium is probs town

CWE....I cannot say anything about CWE one way or another. I legit forgot he was playing until I was like "wait, this is only 5 names + me"

This is making a lot of assumptions. If Handium was the person I actually wanted to vote, why would I vote Listo to break the tie? I had him in my general suspect list but was not someone I actively wanted to kill.

I wanna know your reasoning for having Handium as town and it better have nothing to do with your read on me.

MTR and Future are "interesting"? At this point? That's it?

Not gonna lie, your looking more and more like you might have been recruited after Matthieu's flip

 

[PsychoSoldier]

Void, if you're not scum, you've lost the ability to read me and it's sad

 

[PsychoSoldier]

@PsychoSoldier Who do you think the other starting traitor was then?

You have said MTR, Future, CWE, and me are town previously (when there was no missing kills). You also won't pick yourself. Which leaves Val and Handium. Handium who you have been on for voting you since early.

Also, since when the heck did I say I wanted to vote Handium for voting me? What are you even talking about?

 

[PsychoSoldier]

Oh so you two just think the scum team allowed one of their own to be in the rand and prayed it went their way instead of one of them being able to subtly move it with two people alive?

Riiiiiiiiight.

Also, this is assuming that both scum were around and available in the last few hours. Considering Handium pushed Listo into the lead and Listo self-pres'd to tie it up very shortly before the end of phase.

 

[PsychoSoldier]

I initially cleared MTR but looking back on it he is sounding a lot like Converted MTR

I've actually been kind of thinking this the way he keeps parroting the "Void and Psycho are town" line

 

[PsychoSoldier]

Not gonna lie, now future is making me iffy and full of fucking contradictions.

Says MTR is converted, but just yesterday said MTR is clean.

Says Handium and Val are clean because "he cleared them"

Says he wants to unvote Listo but that would "be the scum thing to do"

You are all over the place

I'm doubting whether that actually makes you scum, though

 

[PsychoSoldier]

I just want you to know. If I get voted out today and you are a part of it and town, I promise you I will remind you about this moment for the rest of your life.

You will quit this forum, move on with your life out of the House of MTR main fortress, and I will get your new address from MTR or Tildey and send you postcards to remind you of this moment.

If you have children, I will ensure they know about this moment in their father's storied mafia history.

Mmm

 

[PsychoSoldier]

Because I've done absolutely nothing to anyone?

Mmmmmm

 

[PsychoSoldier]

CWE is meh. His talk about "one of those is a bad choice" knowing I'm town makes it a pretty ambiguous statement.

MTR is also meh. Haven't been a big fan of his posting this and the last phase.

I think Handium's only saving graces are that he's talkative and the tie vote between him and Listo could have maybe been avoided, but he still feels like the most likely partner to Matthieu.

I think Future is too locked in and also posting too pure to be scum. I don't think scum!Future can fake those thought processes.

Val still feels in pure mode and I don't think would be the recruit.

I don't know what to do with Void. He's either painfully wrong on me and just too tunneled to realize it, or he's scum who can't actually make any accurate analysis on my posting. Only thing he's said about me that actually makes sense if he bothered to read my posts is that I look like a partner to Matthieu, which I'm well aware of. But things like not knowing my reason for voting Handium(even though it's been stated in two different phases) and then saying I voted Handium for voting me just shows he's not actually paying attention to what I'm doing. Which doesn't really look great for someone who's so tunneled and convinced that I'm scum.

 

[CWE]

CWE is meh. His talk about "one of those is a bad choice" knowing I'm town makes it a pretty ambiguous statement.

MTR is also meh. Haven't been a big fan of his posting this and the last phase.

I think Handium's only saving graces are that he's talkative and the tie vote between him and Listo could have maybe been avoided, but he still feels like the most likely partner to Matthieu.

I think Future is too locked in and also posting too pure to be scum. I don't think scum!Future can fake those thought processes.

Val still feels in pure mode and I don't think would be the recruit.

I don't know what to do with Void. He's either painfully wrong on me and just too tunneled to realize it, or he's scum who can't actually make any accurate analysis on my posting. Only thing he's said about me that actually makes sense if he bothered to read my posts is that I look like a partner to Matthieu, which I'm well aware of. But things like not knowing my reason for voting Handium(even though it's been stated in two different phases) and then saying I voted Handium for voting me just shows he's not actually paying attention to what I'm doing. Which doesn't really look great for someone who's so tunneled and convinced that I'm scum.

No offense but I stopped reading the 1st time I saw a error. It was sentence 2...

 

[MitchRapp]

Banishment Vote Count

2- Handium (Val, Psycho)
1- Psycho (VK)

Shield Vote Count:

1- Void (Handium)

 

[VoidKitten]

So CWE is town and wasn't recruited. Psycho made better posts when he actually had time that feels logical (much like he said with Future) and ultimately landed with what I said about Future/Val anyway so he annoys me less. I just cannot drop the tinfoil because this is something Psycho could fake without any effort.

That leaves MTR and Handium as the only two to be scum (assuming we are correct on the others)

 

[VoidKitten]

So. @MTR Why aren't you scum?

@Handium Same question.

 

[VoidKitten]

I just struggle to get over that Handium took the risk of the rand. It just seems unlikely

But again, if that is true then we are wrong on someone else :D

 

[Handium]

@Handium Same question.

that would mean I've rand scum 3 times in a row which i think would be pretty unlikely

I wonder why they picked me for the list when I was close to be voted out the day before, but maybe since the obvious would to have scum on the list, they made me the scapegoat since i was getting read scum so free mislynch with a kill on the more active posters since if someone on the list gets lynched + shield would mean that theres a garr kill on an active poster

 

[Handium]

i turned my neck wrong and now it hurts w9rhfiewsdhfj

 

[CWE]

Vote: Handium

 

[Handium]

ow

 

[MitchRapp]

Final Counts:

Shield Vote Count:

1- Void (Handium)

Void has won a shield for tonight.

Banishment Vote Count

3- Handium (Val, Psycho, CWE)
1- Psycho (VK)


Handium has been banished. Handium was a traitor!

1. VoidKitten
2. Val the Moofia Boss
3. FutureHold
4. CWE
5. PsychoSoldier
6. MTR

 

[MitchRapp]

(No this time I did not make a mistake, there was a game mechanic that shortened this day phase)

 

[MitchRapp]

Psycho was murdered from the short list. 5 remain. 36 hours puts us at 845 am on Thursday.

1. VoidKitten
2. Val the Moofia Boss
3. FutureHold
4. CWE
5. MTR

 

[FutureHold]

Why didn’t Psycho flip?

 

[VoidKitten]

Well. I hate Handium. I’m also curious how day ended so quickly.

I’m assuming Psycho was a faithful even though it doesn’t say since why would they shoot themselves xD

Handium flipping scum makes me and Future look the worst. So to start there.

@FutureHold What made you clear Handium like that?

 

[VoidKitten]

CWE being town and Val likely derp clearing leaves it between Future and MTR

 

[FutureHold]

Well. I hate Handium. I’m also curious how day ended so quickly.

I’m assuming Psycho was a faithful even though it doesn’t say since why would they shoot themselves xD

Handium flipping scum makes me and Future look the worst. So to start there.

@FutureHold What made you clear Handium like that?

Handium was being generally solvy and trying to help, of course I’m also inexperienced with Handium. Ultimately they sounded town.

Of course now I think about it, Handium mentioned how a scum team might have a wolf and a quiet one, around when we banished Matthieu, that threw me towards town, but I guess it was a confession.

 

[FutureHold]

MTR is still acting like a convert MTR, even Psycho agreed with that train of thought

 

[FutureHold]

Psycho also pegged me as town and I know I am not capable of fooling Psycho.

 

[VoidKitten]

I think I can clear Handium for now, unless this is all a long con

I feel like one person on that list is a traitor

I have a strong feeling one of the people on the list is scum.

I’ll need to study further to determine if that is the case

This all looks terrible really.

 

[VoidKitten]

Psycho also pegged me as town and I know I am not capable of fooling Psycho.

Why are you worried about fooling Psycho? I’m confused.

 

[VoidKitten]

But really. Where is MTR?

 

[FutureHold]

Why are you worried about fooling Psycho? I’m confused.

I’m saying that I cannot fool psycho, so Psycho’s read on me is accurate

 

[VoidKitten]

I’m saying that I cannot fool psycho, so Psycho’s read on me is accurate

Oh got it. I hope you’re scum actually because you’re pulling my favorite move, if so. I’d be so proud.

 

[FutureHold]

This all looks terrible really.

That’s a train of thought. I mean everyone else was claiming that someone on the list was scum, it definitely was the case, to try and get a town read, it didn’t work because most of us saw through it. I also don’t know Handium’s gameplay and style, I thought they could be playing a wolf game.

 

[VoidKitten]

That’s a train of thought. I mean everyone else was claiming that someone on the list was scum, it definitely was the case, to try and get a town read, it didn’t work because most of us saw through it. I also don’t know Handium’s gameplay and style, I thought they could be playing a wolf game.

You literally were the first to say it 20 min after day started . Then you said it again at EoD with more finality.

 

[VoidKitten]

Handium I should have gotten. I need to follow my rules. My claws rule is so accurate. So is this one which Handium broke. Only person so far who it’s inaccurate for has been MTR xD

 

[FutureHold]

You literally were the first to say it 20 min after day started . Then you said it again at EoD with more finality.

I’m not that big of an idiot mafia player. It’s a common enough scum tactic I’ve seen to put one of your own in the line of fire hoping you get a town read.

 

[VoidKitten]

No but REALLY. Where is MTR

 

[FutureHold]

No but REALLY. Where is MTR

Napping or nursing a migraine, I’ll push him once I get off work

 

[VoidKitten]

I’m not that big of an idiot mafia player. It’s a common enough scum tactic I’ve seen to put one of your own in the line of fire hoping you get a town read.

I never suggested you were. I just said I was about to be proud of you xD

 

[VoidKitten]

Though. There are points in your favor looking at that whole interaction and day start.

 

[VoidKitten]

So do we think Handium and Matthieu were starting traitors and we got one more to find that Handium recruited?

Or was Handium the recruit of a partner Matthieu had to start with.

 

[FutureHold]

Though. There are points in your favor looking at that whole interaction and day start.

I looked into this shortlist stuff, if my googling is accurate, looks like they couldn’t get a recruit off tonight, so that leaves only one traitor left. I’ll read through MTR’s post and see when his posting changed, just to double confirm my theory.

 

[FutureHold]

So do we think Handium and Matthieu were starting traitors and we got one more to find that Handium recruited?

Or was Handium the recruit of a partner Matthieu had to start with.

I don’t know, I’m leaning the former, as there would be advantages of recruiting MTR, especially if you aren’t aware of how he changes his act once recruited. He has knowledge of the format, and you and psycho would’ve been too easy targets.

 

[FutureHold]

First question of course is do we think the traitors put one of their own on the list? I can go either way on this. I am thinking they left themselves off the list. The list is pretty town in my view. But that doesn't leave many options left when it comes to who are the traitors.

This post does not look good

 

[FutureHold]

Big thing I’ve noticed is that MTR doesn’t have the greatest track record but he was trying a little more before Saturday than after Saturday, which is where the recruit would’ve been. Instead he was off topic (this late in the game) or on the wrong train of thoughts

 

[CWE]

Can someone explain why it took evil that fucking long to kill Psycho last night? They had a list of 3...we killed the 1st, scum gave the second a bpv (@VoidKitten ) leaving one.

 

[VoidKitten]

Can someone explain why it took evil that fucking long to kill Psycho last night? They had a list of 3...we killed the 1st, scum gave the second a bpv (@VoidKitten ) leaving

This is what I want to know. We suddenly have a really really long night when it gets down to this time :D

I just assume Mitch hates us

 

[VoidKitten]

At this point, I think I am just going to give Future his flowers. Either he is scum and this is hands down his best scum performance ever. Or he is town and the most invested I have ever seen Future in a game.

Either way, he gets his flowers.

Vote: MTR

 

[CWE]

This is what I want to know. We suddenly have a really really long night when it gets down to this time :D

I just assume Mitch hates us

I instantly went full tinfoil. Psycho was evil and argued all night that he should be able to kill someone else. Mitch then said no and killed scum Psycho.

Possible? Sure I guess...

Likely? Doubtful...

 

[VoidKitten]

I instantly went full tinfoil. Psycho was evil and argued all night that he should be able to kill someone else. Mitch then said no and killed scum Psycho.

Possible? Sure I guess...

Likely? Doubtful...

This is now the canon lore of what happened.

 

[VoidKitten]

I went down a path that had the list kill being an extra kill that was randomized and that the reason Psycho didn't flip is because he is a traitor and they are all gone and now we are just bickering amongst ourselves.

 

[MitchRapp]

Psycho was murdered from the short list. He was a faithful. 5 remain. 36 hours puts us at 845 am on Thursday.

1. VoidKitten
2. Val the Moofia Boss
3. FutureHold
4. CWE
5. MTR

 

[CWE]

A likely story...

 

[VoidKitten]

A likely story...

So where is your mind at? And did you have anything to do with day ending early?

 

[CWE]

So where is your mind at? And did you have anything to do with day ending early?

In my head...the day ended because drunk and sober CWE agreed so that's 2 votes. In reality? IDK why the day ended...

 

[CWE]

I'm going back and forth on who the last evil is.

Void- I believe I'd be dead.
Future-no sus posts.
MTR-no sus posts.
Val-cleared for the same reason you cleared them.

That's why I voted who I voted yesterday.

I'm debated which house member I want to hang in Claws honor.

 

[VoidKitten]

In my head...the day ended because drunk and sober CWE agreed so that's 2 votes. In reality? IDK why the day ended...

So then maybe it was Val? Which would just be more points in his town favor.

It wasn't me and I really doubt it was a scum mechanic since it caused Handium to get ded.

 

[VoidKitten]

I also have this working theory that because MTR's name is just 3 letters that he falls in an easy place for people to just pick them.

Assuming Handium did the recruit, I have fuck all clue who they would pick. But I tend to find we disproportionately choose him for things. Why? Maybe its because his name is so easy and rolls off the tongue?

 

[VoidKitten]

him as in MTR*

 

[FutureHold]

Vote: MTR

This is where I stand

 

[MitchRapp]

Vote Count:

2- MTR (VK, FH)

 

[VoidKitten]

Unvote:

Not ending day early if someone jumps on

 

[VoidKitten]

On one hand, we have MTR who fucked off completely since Monday at 10pm ET.

On the other, we have Future doing so much more than I have ever seen him do and I can't tell if its towny or wolfy.

I keep feeling like its town. His back and forth feels genuine and not something planned. But dat tin foil.

 

[FutureHold]

On one hand, we have MTR who fucked off completely since Monday at 10pm ET.

On the other, we have Future doing so much more than I have ever seen him do and I can't tell if its towny or wolfy.

I keep feeling like its town. His back and forth feels genuine and not something planned. But dat tin foil.

This makes me remove any doubt about you now. So that further affirms my theory about MTR being scum

 

[MTR]

MTR is still acting like a convert MTR, even Psycho agreed with that train of thought

How am I acting like a convert MTR. I am still in here responding to things and trying to figure things out.

 

[VoidKitten]

O shit. MTR is here.

 

[MTR]

But really. Where is MTR?

I was recovering from having vertigo most of the day yesterday.

 

[MTR]

No but REALLY. Where is MTR

Not here.

 

[MTR]

Napping or nursing a migraine, I’ll push him once I get off work

By pushing he means walking in the door and calling me a traitor

 

[MTR]

This post does not look good

Why

 

[MTR]

Can someone explain why it took evil that fucking long to kill Psycho last night? They had a list of 3...we killed the 1st, scum gave the second a bpv (@VoidKitten ) leaving one.

Maybe there were scared of Psycho

 

[MTR]

This is what I want to know. We suddenly have a really really long night when it gets down to this time :D

I just assume Mitch hates us

I am going with the second one.

 

[VoidKitten]

I was recovering from having vertigo most of the day yesterday.

Ew. I get random bouts of vertigo and they never last long but it sucks.

 

[MTR]

At this point, I think I am just going to give Future his flowers. Either he is scum and this is hands down his best scum performance ever. Or he is town and the most invested I have ever seen Future in a game.

Either way, he gets his flowers.

Vote: MTR

I hate the vote by not the post.

 

[MTR]

I went down a path that had the list kill being an extra kill that was randomized and that the reason Psycho didn't flip is because he is a traitor and they are all gone and now we are just bickering amongst ourselves.

You really do tinfoil at times.

 

[MitchRapp]

Vote Count:

1- MTR (FH)

 

[MTR]

I'm going back and forth on who the last evil is.

Void- I believe I'd be dead.
Future-no sus posts.
MTR-no sus posts.
Val-cleared for the same reason you cleared them.

That's why I voted who I voted yesterday.

I'm debated which house member I want to hang in Claws honor.

Future you want to vote Future. Not me. That is if you are going to vote a house member.

 

[MTR]

On one hand, we have MTR who fucked off completely since Monday at 10pm ET.

On the other, we have Future doing so much more than I have ever seen him do and I can't tell if its towny or wolfy.

I keep feeling like its town. His back and forth feels genuine and not something planned. But dat tin foil.

Feels pretty towny to me when it comes to Future to be honest. Like I am really stuck on who could be a traitor at this point.

 

[VoidKitten]

Feels pretty towny to me when it comes to Future to be honest. Like I am really stuck on who could be a traitor at this point.

Did you check any mirrors recently? Asking for a friend.

 

[MTR]

O shit. MTR is here.

Yeah trying to squeeze stuff in between things at work.

 

[MTR]

Ew. I get random bouts of vertigo and they never last long but it sucks.

It was related to sinus stuff. My face and head were tight and trying to rub and release stuff and next thing I knew I went from a headache to fucking vertigo.

 

[MTR]

Did you check any mirrors recently? Asking for a friend.

Just saw my ugly mug and no traitor.

 

[VoidKitten]

Feels pretty towny to me when it comes to Future to be honest. Like I am really stuck on who could be a traitor at this point.

You gotta have some thoughts.

Why do you think the four people are town then? Instead of looking who is scum, why do you say the other 4 are town?

 

[MTR]

You gotta have some thoughts.

Why do you think the four people are town then? Instead of looking who is scum, why do you say the other 4 are town?

I have been saying for a while that you and Psycho were town to me and nothing has really changed that for me towards you.

CWE hasn't given me anything to think traitor but that doesn't mean that I am missing something but most likely town.

Val is val to me and doesn't feel like a scum Val.

Future is being pretty towny and active. However I have seen him do this when he is last man standing on a scum team. So there is that but that may be me tinfoiling at this point.

 

[VoidKitten]

I have been saying for a while that you and Psycho were town to me and nothing has really changed that for me towards you.

CWE hasn't given me anything to think traitor but that doesn't mean that I am missing something but most likely town.

Val is val to me and doesn't feel like a scum Val.

Future is being pretty towny and active. However I have seen him do this when he is last man standing on a scum team. So there is that but that may be me tinfoiling at this point.

I dislike this specifically because of the thoughts about CWE when I feel there should be no question about it currently.

Vote: MTR

 

[MTR]

You asked for my thoughts and I gave my thoughts as I am trying to figure out stuff.