Mafia 33 - Gym Leader Mafia

[Claws]

#justiceforclaws

 

[Claws]

If i ever get banned again you can use that hashtag ill permit it

 

[GrumpyCat]

ANd you call me the goon

You dont have to be a goon. You could be idk maybe a baker maybe a hooker. Just no modifiers. Whitch is good. I dont like that kind of surprises.

 

[GrumpyCat]

Btw did you kill a jailor in shadowlands? If not i am organizing a free boost today.

 

[FutureHold]

Alright I’m back, busy day at work and I’m supposed to be clocked out by now. Grumble grumble

 

[FutureHold]

I am a jailor.
Should have made it bigger for everyone to see.

This is very plausible. I have good word that 3pups decided to visit BN, but that doesn’t clear 3pups, but I am inclined to believe Jailer for now

 

[Foxxi]

That's gunna look awful if pups flips scum. So pups will flip scum, because everything future says or does by the nature of the universe, will always look as awful as possible for him XD

 

[Claws]

Btw did you kill a jailor in shadowlands? If not i am organizing a free boost today.

I didnt play shadowlands

 

[Claws]

Man if future keeps it up i might just have to shoot a teamate

 

[FutureHold]

That's gunna look awful if pups flips scum. So pups will flip scum, because everything future says or does by the nature of the universe, will always look as awful as possible for him XD

Well I didn’t say 3pups was 100% town this time

 

[3puppies]

The weekend is approaching, and I won't have much availability to defend myself further. I don't fully understand why I am a target, but it seems only because there's nobody else sharing. Somebody must have an ability to investigate me. Future, did you track me when I visited/jailed BN? Or were you watching BN to see who would show up?

I know I am town. Let me prove myself. Since we are ahead 8-2-1, does it make sense to vote sleep now, and please somebody investigate me tonight? Clearly, I want to remain hopeful that I will be exonerated. Those pushing me now need to be really looked at, as are those who won't claim your roles.

Additionally, if I live through this day, I will jail whoever wants me to jail them, so they can confirm they were protected and won't be able to act.

Unvote: Grumpy
Vote: Sleep

Vote: Hammer

 

[Blind Ninja]

[VOTTE COUNT

(1) Future Hold - Void
(3) 3puppies - Grumpycat, Foxxi, BN
(1) Sleep - 3puppies

(1) HAMMER - Foxxi (376)

With 11 players alive, majority for hammer activation is 6.

The weekend is approaching, and I won't have much availability to defend myself further. I don't fully understand why I am a target, but it seems only because there's nobody else sharing. Somebody must have an ability to investigate me. Future, did you track me when I visited/jailed BN? Or were you watching BN to see who would show up?

I know I am town. Let me prove myself. Since we are ahead 8-2-1, does it make sense to vote sleep now, and please somebody investigate me tonight? Clearly, I want to remain hopeful that I will be exonerated. Those pushing me now need to be really looked at, as are those who won't claim your roles.

Additionally, if I live through this day, I will jail whoever wants me to jail them, so they can confirm they were protected and won't be able to act.

Unvote: Grumpy
Vote: Sleep

Vote: Hammer

Sleep is terrible on D2. Its typically a good call in final 4-5 with 1 scum left, as it allows the remaining players to narrow their PoE.

And the, Look at those pushing me...
BN - you claimed to have jailed, so cant be the scum killer.
Foxxi - who has pushed conversation and contributed
Grumpy - only one pushing you Id be willing to look at this easrly

In knowing you have little to no time to play over the weekend, why did you have only 4 posts this gameday leading to this point? Day has been going about 12hrs. Only person youve pushed towards is Grumpy.

Listo and BN are town, as are most likely our presumed remaining neighbors CWE and Matthieu

Foxxi is probably her town solvy self. Not sure why she hasn't claimed, but I agree with a lot of what she has posted. I will always be wary of her because she is certainly skilled enough to be a wolf, but I think it's likely she's town. Not worth pushing yet, but I'd like her to claim. I'd like everyone to tell us their role.

BN claims to have an important town role, and to have been roleblocked. Not so, as he was jailed, by yours truly. BN claimed to have an important town role so I thought he made himself a target, and that scum would want revenge for him taking out psycho. So I protected him, figuring his role will be needed later

Grumpy claims to be a hider, then backed off, but the comment about pushing my buttons because I voted there yesterday just rubs me the wrong way.

So do you now not trust foxxi or myself to be town?

 

[Claws]

If you were jailed and 3pups is claiming jailer then what the fuck are ppl on about

 

[Claws]

Counter claim it or move on or if there is a jailer jail 3pups and excute

 

[Foxxi]

It's called POE

Pups/you(claws)/grumpy -- the remaining scum must fall in this group. I trust grumpy more. Ergo the solve is pups/claws.

And that's before claws effectively has lulcatted and anti-spewed all day =p

 

[Foxxi]

Well, I suppose I could be wrong about Val. But I am very rarely wrong about Val.

 

[Blind Ninja]

Well, I suppose I could be wrong about Val. But I am very rarely wrong about Val.

My issue with Val, is he hasnt given a lot to go off of.

I can see a world where Val/Grumpy are the 2 scum left.

 

[Foxxi]

My issue with Val, is he hasnt given a lot to go off of.

I can see a world where Val/Grumpy are the 2 scum left.

Yeah.... but scum Val usually shows more motive. And his opening post vibes town to me. I'd yeet claws before Val 10/10 times unless there were deets or something to say otherwise.

 

[3puppies]

Sleep is terrible on D2. Its typically a good call in final 4-5 with 1 scum left, as it allows the remaining players to narrow their PoE.

And the, Look at those pushing me...
BN - you claimed to have jailed, so cant be the scum killer.
Foxxi - who has pushed conversation and contributed
Grumpy - only one pushing you Id be willing to look at this easrly

In knowing you have little to no time to play over the weekend, why did you have only 4 posts this gameday leading to this point? Day has been going about 12hrs. Only person youve pushed towards is Grumpy.



So do you now not trust foxxi or myself to be town?

I had 4 posts this game day with far more thoughts about EVERYONE than just about everyone else except maybe Foxxi. Quality of the posts matters, not quantity. I also had a lot going on at work.

I don't trust you fully because you admitted you'd vote a scum teammate on D1 for cred. I honestly hadn't considered that.

And I don't fully trust Foxxi because she hasn't claimed, she did not vote for psycho either, and of course the fact that she's wrong about me - again. Plus a little OMGUS.

I'm getting pushed solely because something "feels" scummy, but you can't really say what. I get there's nothing solid to go on, and you want to push someone.

It just sucks when under the circumstances, knowing the only thing I know is my own role, and I am looking at a potential early exit again, when it's just plain flat out wrong. And it bugs me that I am saying this with only a few votes on me right now, knowing that because of the weekend I won't be around enough to hopefully convince a enough people to at least wait another day so someone can exonerate me.

There HAS to be someone with an alignment check role, because basically it said so in psycho's role filp.

 

[Claws]

It's called POE

Pups/you(claws)/grumpy -- the remaining scum must fall in this group. I trust grumpy more. Ergo the solve is pups/claws.

And that's before claws effectively has lulcatted and anti-spewed all day =p

Its d2 your poe is likely hot garbage

 

[Claws]

I lean vk more he showed up amd now nothing

 

[Claws]

Lazy

 

[Claws]

If your so sure its me or pups why attach to 3pups

 

[Claws]

 

[Claws]

Man i cant sleep tonight im beyond grumpy ugh put me outta my misery like ol yella

 

[Val the Moofia Boss]

Val, can you give more of an explanation as to why you trust Grumpy?

I too have the hider trait and it works as he says it does. It is unlikely that a godfather would be able to know that there would be players who would have the hider trait and be able to claim the exact conditions to cover himself in the day thread once mass claiming begins and he is narrowed down by process of elimination.

 

[Val the Moofia Boss]

Vote: Voidkitten

Vote: Hammer

 

[CWE]

You people getting roles and modifiers...

I get rhsi fucking trash...

@Handium

 

[GrumpyCat]

Well, since you have killed desperado daytime vig thats going to be a problem. No sleep for you naughy cat.

 

[GrumpyCat]

Vote: Voidkitten

Vote: Hammer

Not entirely against that. You know hes going to scumside ;>

 

[GrumpyCat]

You people getting roles and modifiers...

I get rhsi fucking trash...

@Handium

I feel you man.

I check my rolecard and I see i got cop. I think to myself - cool i didnt get a real deal cop in years. Only some lame parity cops and maids.

Then i get a result on Claws and think to myself wtf is this shit. I read the role again and see that in this weird pokemon world "cop" only checks modifiers and a normal cop is called "alignment cop". Thats how I understand it when cross referencing the hider part.

So yeah, the most i can do I guess is to see if Listo is in fact a miller.

 

[GrumpyCat]

And whats worse i checked that other game on bubagarden forum to see that to expect in terms of roles and that game had a cop that worked like a fuckin cop ;<

I got bamboolzed hard here. Sry Handium, next game we play together yor dead ;p

 

[Handium]

You people getting roles and modifiers...

I get rhsi fucking trash...

@Handium

I feel you man.

I check my rolecard and I see i got cop. I think to myself - cool i didnt get a real deal cop in years. Only some lame parity cops and maids.

Then i get a result on Claws and think to myself wtf is this shit. I read the role again and see that in this weird pokemon world "cop" only checks modifiers and a normal cop is called "alignment cop". Thats how I understand it when cross referencing the hider part.

So yeah, the most i can do I guess is to see if Listo is in fact a miller.

And whats worse i checked that other game on bubagarden forum to see that to expect in terms of roles and that game had a cop that worked like a fuckin cop ;<

I got bamboolzed hard here. Sry Handium, next game we play together yor dead ;p

 

[GrumpyCat]

 

[GrumpyCat]

Also just gonna come out and say it now that I'm caught up. I'm a miller and death miller.

I was thinking how would that even work. There are full rolcards on flip.

With characters that are supposed to be somehow alignment indicative and with abilities that are alignment colored. And it would show you are death miller. It doesnt make much sense to me. Something doesnt add up here.

 

[GrumpyCat]

If I flip via kill or lynch I will flip as mafia

I was mosytly refering to this part.

 

[Listo95]

I was thinking how would that even work. There are full rolcards on flip.

With characters that are supposed to be somehow alignment indicative and with abilities that are alignment colored. And it would show you are death miller. It doesnt make much sense to me. Something doesnt add up here.

I was mosytly refering to this part.

*shrug*
I assume I’d flip as a basic mafia goon role card. All I know is I’m a miller and death miller.

 

[GrumpyCat]

From what i saw in that other game roles are kind of all over the place. There were simple onec like cop and doctor. but also had less common ones like PGO, lightning rod and a reviever.

But Miller Death Miller seems really out of place.

Maybe Humdum hates you more than me. *shrug*

 

[Foxxi]

It'd be extremely out of character for Listo to just make that shit up without any kind of pressure to do so. I'll eat my tail if he's lying XD

 

[GrumpyCat]

2. There may be fake claims.

Escpecially if scum got ready to go fake claims they had to be better that this.

But now I really need to yeet pups cause he will jail me and i wont be able to solve Listo ;p

 

[Foxxi]

I'd be so pissed if I were scum and my fake claim was miller, lmao

 

[GrumpyCat]

Last time I remember those were in like a Simpsons game. But even there were i think 3 believabe ones to pick from ;>

 

[Handium]

Spoiler: Pings

@VoidKitten
@GrumpyCat
@Val the Moofia Boss
@Matthieu
@CWE
@FutureHold
@Listo95
@3puppies
@Foxxi
@Claws
@Blind Ninja

VOTE COUNT

(1) Future Hold - Void
(3) 3puppies - Grumpycat, Foxxi, BN
(1) Sleep - 3puppies
(1) Void - Val
(1) Claws - CWE

(1) HAMMER - Foxxi, 3puppies, Val

With 11 players alive, majority for hammer activation is 6.

Day 2 ends Idfk

 

[GrumpyCat]

Didnt you miss 1 more day again?

Dont get me wrong if thats all the info for today I get get along with this

 

[Listo95]

Spoiler: Pings

@VoidKitten
@GrumpyCat
@Val the Moofia Boss
@Matthieu
@CWE
@FutureHold
@Listo95
@3puppies
@Foxxi
@Claws
@Blind Ninja

VOTE COUNT

(1) Future Hold - Void
(3) 3puppies - Grumpycat, Foxxi, BN
(1) Sleep - 3puppies
(1) Void - Val

(1) HAMMER - Foxxi, 3puppies, Val

With 11 players alive, majority for hammer activation is 6.

Day 2 ends in like 2 hours and 20 minutes

Day started yesterday 9:30 am. Should go until tomorrow 9:30 am unless shenanigans occurred.

 

[Foxxi]

Wait. Didn't CWE vote?

 

[Foxxi]

Vote: Claws

Yeah... here. Is this an error @Handium or can he not vote?

 

[Handium]

Yeah... here. Is this an error @Handium or can he not vote?

me totally seeing it during the first vote count

totallyyyyy

 

[Foxxi]

@Listo95
@FutureHold
@Claws
@Matthieu

Ya'll should vote

 

[GrumpyCat]

Day 2 ends Idfk

 

[CWE]

What's the 3pup scum logic?

 

[GrumpyCat]

I dont think there is a way to make 3pups scum by logic other than - you dont jail strong town role lol, you jail scum preferably the killer. But I can see he could possibly not know that.

I could go Claws here but I suppose I dont want it end like - he was a lolcat town thowing a game for fun and I should have known better.

 

[Foxxi]

What's the 3pup scum logic?

I trust you, BN, future, listo, matt, Val and grumpy.

That leaves void (who claimed 3p), claws and pups

Pups admitted to having jail BN which is a crappy town move and feels like a cover for a scum roleblock

 

[Foxxi]

Claws is equally likely to be scum, but he's not the one that stopped a town action from helping us - that feels like a higher priority to me

 

[Blind Ninja]

What's the 3pup scum logic?

I felt some scum equity from them on D1 with their posts. And didnt like the claimed "jail" on N1. Like Foxxi, easy scum claim for a RB.

My PoE is a little wider then Foxxi's, but feel like starting here.

Also feel like going after VK is boring.

 

[GrumpyCat]

My PoE is a little wider then Foxxi's, but feel like starting here.

If you really look at this there isnt a single person that can be mechanically clearead as not mafia. At most as they are not MTRs killer.

 

[Foxxi]

Mechanically shmanickly

*grumpy old voice*
Back in my day we caught wolves with nothing but our wits! Ya young whipper snappers with yer mecha-whatsits wouldn't know a wolf bitting ya if a deet didn't say so!

 

[GrumpyCat]

Yeah I know i you were not such obv town here I would think - aha thats a deepwolf pissed thats another rng shitfest rolemadness game where true and solid mafia game principles are an afterthought.

Buts seriuosly if you outplay me here and I dont get a shittin on fingers you are going to champs insted of claws.

 

[Blind Ninja]

Yeah I know i you were not such obv town here I would think - aha thats a deepwolf pissed thats another rng shitfest rolemadness game where true and solid mafia game principles are an afterthought.

Buts seriuosly if you outplay me here and I dont get a shittin on fingers you are going to champs insted of claws.

I have some tinfoil for you about Foxxi...

 

[GrumpyCat]

I am all tinfoil anyway.

 

[Blind Ninja]

If you really look at this there isnt a single person that can be mechanically clearead as not mafia. At most as they are not MTRs killer.

I agree with you. Even the neighbors arent mechanically cleared. Just unlikely to be scum.

 

[GrumpyCat]

I agree with you. Even the neighbors arent mechanically cleared. Just unlikely to be scum.

Thats right. But it is based on sentiment that if you have 3 neighbours there is 1 scum because.

- 3 town is townsided op even if thats neighbours and no masons. Trust me i heard it from multiple game runners.
- 3 scum is utterly pointless i guess
- 2 scum are *shrug*

 

[Blind Ninja]

Thats right. But it is based on sentiment that if you have 3 neighbours there is 1 scum because.

- 3 town is townsided op even if thats neighbours and no masons. Trust me i heard it from multiple game runners.
- 3 scum is utterly pointless i guess
- 2 scum are *shrug*

We know 1 of the 3 was scum. I would assume it was 2t/1s in the neighborhood. Its why im not looking at those people yet. Thats for down the road near endgame

 

[CWE]

Thats right. But it is based on sentiment that if you have 3 neighbours there is 1 scum because.

- 3 town is townsided op even if thats neighbours and no masons. Trust me i heard it from multiple game runners.
- 3 scum is utterly pointless i guess
- 2 scum are *shrug*

Mason or neighbor...

Idgaf.
@Mazer

 

[GrumpyCat]

Theres no mason illuminati filth around those parts neighbor XD

 

[CWE]

Grumble grumble...

 

[GrumpyCat]

Oh my looks like cwetwo is devolving. Some heavy fuel is in order

 

[Claws]

It'd be extremely out of character for Listo to just make that shit up without any kind of pressure to do so. I'll eat my tail if he's lying XD

lol

 

[Claws]

Vote: vk
Vote: hammer

 

[Claws]

Lets just meme him into the grave

 

[Claws]

Claws is equally likely to be scum, but he's not the one that stopped a town action from helping us - that feels like a higher priority to me

 

[GrumpyCat]

Lets just meme him into the grave

Right if he is a survivor and we get him

he doesnt win
he dosnt live
hes not mvp
he doesnt have 10 post per day.

it should earn him a grand total of one finger.

 

[GrumpyCat]

A middle one

 

[Foxxi]

I'd be willing to toss void out. He's clearly not even attempting to *pretend* to town-side, sitting on future all day. But I'd still rather yeet pups first since future confirmed he did block BN

 

[Claws]

But youd have the same result with jailer wouldnt you and being d1 jailer has to pick som1 or am i just missing sumtjing

 

[Foxxi]

why are you so against yeeting pups? There are two more wolves to find, unless you think BN bussed psych, psych just decided to ignore future possibly being chopped, matt/cwe has another wolf in the hood, or I am just full of shit... your poe should also include pups. Even if you absolutely believe there is no way he could be lying about jailor to cover up a roleblock, you have to think *someone* is a wolf... and yet you wanna yeet the claimed 3p

Awoo?

 

[Claws]

why are you so against yeeting pups? There are two more wolves to find, unless you think BN bussed psych, psych just decided to ignore future possibly being chopped, matt/cwe has another wolf in the hood, or I am just full of shit... your poe should also include pups. Even if you absolutely believe there is no way he could be lying about jailor to cover up a roleblock, you have to think *someone* is a wolf... and yet you wanna yeet the claimed 3p

Awoo?

Because a jailer could be plausible and i hate future and all his ideas

 

[Claws]

Bold of ypu to asdume i have a poe =D

 

[FutureHold]

Why are we voting Void? Was there a reason?

 

[Foxxi]

Why are we voting Void? Was there a reason?

Val is doing Val things, and Claws refuses to vote his partner pups. Or maybe it's his partner you? He's waffled on that in hopes to throw off the scent I think.

 

[Claws]

Why are we voting Void? Was there a reason?

hes lazy and lazy vk tends to be scum

 

[Claws]

we talked about this in scum chat future get it together

 

[Claws]

 

[3puppies]

I have only skimmed what's been going on, as I mentioned weekends are tough for me.

Unvote: Sleep

I recognize sleeping won't help. We need solid information, and vote history will be useful later.

Future hasn't responded to my question, but I get I haven't earned that trust yet.

I see Grumpy is claiming the role I need to get myself confirmed as town/jailor, and I welcome the investigation into me should I hopefully survive today.

I will happily vote either Future, Claws, or void today, as a self preservation vote. I still think Grumpy is more likely scum and am reserving suspicion on pretty much everyone. But I need Grumpy to verify my role.

Grumpy mentioned concern that I would jail them tonight. I won't do that, because I need them to help prove I am who I say I am.

So I will
Vote: Self preservation ,

and I will jail one of the remaining people in the POE tonight if I live.

 

[Listo95]

Vote: 3pup

I might try to get up before day start to change if needed.

 

[Claws]

join me on vk hes a lazy bastard and we all know that means scum

 

[Blind Ninja]

join me on vk hes a lazy bastard and we all know that means scum

He has already claimed to be the 1 3rd party and some kind of survivor... but I agree he is being lazy.

Why are you against a 3pup vote? or Who else would you vote, aside from VK and Future? and why?

 

[Foxxi]

It means not town... which he admitted to - and no one has countered his 3p claim, so I can only assume your hyper focus on him is because you're trying to find a possible alternative to pups that people *might* accept.

 

[Foxxi]

Lmao BN beat me to it

 

[Claws]

He has already claimed to be the 1 3rd party and some kind of survivor... but I agree he is being lazy.

Why are you against a 3pup vote? or Who else would you vote, aside from VK and Future? and why?

hes not a 3p i can comfirm that

 

[Claws]

you know why cuz thats exactly sumthing that dumbass would say to just be lazy in the back

 

[Claws]

theres no survivor either

 

[Claws]

what a load of hogwash

 

[Claws]

 

[Claws]

ima stay on that fake 3p vk cuz im the god damn 3p you losers

 

[Foxxi]

You do realize the game setup is in the OP? There is one third party player, and no one else is countering his claim.

 

[Foxxi]

Really? You? I find that odd since you didn't bother to call bullshit immediately

 

[Claws]

im not a survivor why would i counter a survivor and screw myself

 

[Claws]

ima go to bed you guys just sleep on this but im not lying this time on the claim im 3p asfuuuck

 

[Foxxi]

If you're not a survivor then what are you?