Mafia 27 - Town of the Undead

[Apocaclaws]

Okay quick question, who all here is from the WoW group?

Me
Listo
Vk
Foxxi
Val
Matt
Ldg
Satsu
BN
Xan

 

[Apocaclaws]

I'm considered 'scummy' and suspicious, but HODOR is fucking ok?!

No your both 3p shifs fess up

 

[Apocaclaws]

Claws quit all kinda drugs cold turkey but cant put wow down its a plauge

 

[Hodor]

Hodor

 

[Hodor]

Vote: towny demon girl
Unvote: towny demon girl

Hodor

Vote: MTR
Vote: Listo
Vote: Mitch

 

[Val the Moofia Boss]

Vote: Mitch

 

[Val the Moofia Boss]

Because my oldest son has taken an interest in it and I have questions.

Unvote: Mitch

Ask away!

 

[MitchRapp]

He is relatively new to it, just started in the past month. Possibly girlfriend related.

He has a background in D&D.

What sort of things does he need for this? Looking for Xmas ideas.

 

[Apocaclaws]

He is relatively new to it, just started in the past month. Possibly girlfriend related.

He has a background in D&D.

What sort of things does he need for this? Looking for Xmas ideas.

A headset you for chatting on discord basically it requires nothing you could buy him game time if hes really into it or a wow token he could sell for gold or just random shop bs

 

[Apocaclaws]

Or this they got a nice dnd dice set

 

[Apocaclaws]

New World of Warcraft Themed Holiday Merch on the Blizzard Store - Greatfeather Pepe, Lich King Tankard, Alliance & Horde Ornaments

The Blizzard store has just updated with a ton of new World of Warcraft themed holiday merchandise, just in time for Winter Veil!

www.wowhead.com

 

[Apocaclaws]

Nothing is required for wow seot game time and time to play

 

[llettuce]

Hodor i think your gimmick should apply to votes

 

[LemonDemonGirl]

I hope this means they'll publish a new WoW TTRPG soon

 

[llettuce]

Vote: towny demon girl
Unvote: towny demon girl

Hodor

Vote: MTR
Vote: Listo
Vote: Mitch

Im too fucking autistic for this shit

 

[MitchRapp]

A headset you for chatting on discord basically it requires nothing you could buy him game time if hes really into it or a wow token he could sell for gold or just random shop bs

So he can get through and never spend any money? Seems counterintuitive to most video games these days.

 

[Apocaclaws]

Im too fucking autistic for this shit

Mee too.

 

[Apocaclaws]

So he can get through and never spend any money? Seems counterintuitive to most video games these days.

Its like 16.99 a month for game sub other then that nothing

 

[Apocaclaws]

And 16.99 a month is by far the least exspensive hobby ive ever had

 

[MitchRapp]

Its like 16.99 a month for game sub other then that nothing

Okay, I assume I can get an online gift card or something of the sort to put in his stocking?

 

[Apocaclaws]

Okay, I assume I can get an online gift card or something of the sort to put in his stocking?

Yes you can at walmart or sumthing likely

 

[MitchRapp]

And 16.99 a month is by far the least exspensive hobby ive ever had

Yeah that is great, he has a new GF, they started playing Fortnite again. I think the WoW is related and she has him playing some of that with her now.

 

[Apocaclaws]

You lost me at fortnite

 

[Val the Moofia Boss]

The game has a high upfront cost (buy the new $50 box expansion every 2 years, +$15 monthly subscription, so $220+ per year if you are subbed year round, but most people sub for a few months and then unsub for several months), though it is relatively cheap compared to other hobbies such as shooting where a box of ammunition for one weekend costs $20 or food for hiking, and then you have the gas to drive out to the place, etc.

The new player experience isn't that good, especially if you do not use the level boost you get from buying a box expansion as new players have to start in the new Exile's Reach zone which is a bland D&D adventure and doesn't get the player invested in their race/faction like the original starting zones, and then you have to spend 60 levels doing quests by yourself, which is not that fun. I personally enjoyed playing WoW for the quests and bought the books, but even then you will get a better story experience playing a JRPG or reading a visual novel. However, if you use the boost you skip Exile's Reach, you get boosted to level 60 and start at the Dragonflight expansion (the last expac from 2022) and that is a little better experience. Main issue is that it is difficult to finish the story of Dragonflight since the last half is told in the 25 man raids which most people don't do anymore, and if they do do it then they eviscerate it so you don't get to see the mechanics. Retail WoW is not like GW2 or FF14 where people are still doing years old content and it is still tuned to be at least somewhat challenging rather than roflstomped.

Once you reach level 70, you are at the current expansion that everybody is doing, The War Within. Once you blow through the story over a week and reach the current level cap of 80, you are left with not much to do. You can either 1. speedrun the current raid over and over again to get gear with arbitrary higher numbers (which will be made irrelevant come the next patch as that introduces easy catch up gear so people can get the same gear with far less effort), or 2. speedrun the same 8 dungeons over and over again for higher numbers, or 3. do instanced PvP on the same maps until you get the mounts/armors you want, or get bored. There is also the RP scene, which is not as engaging as it was a decade ago when the Horde vs Alliance war was still going on, but WoW is really good for RP with all of the races and armors and items and toys and mounts you can use to customize your character, and WoW still has to my knowledge the largest RP scene of any online RPG I can think of, with LotRO in a distant second.


Large variety of high fantasy environments to explore, though again the game doesn't guide you through/utilize the old zones well like GW2 or FF14.





Big RP-PvP battle over Hillsbrad from 2014



Some Dragonflight RP event stills (couldn't figure out how to get the march GIF to display)

 

[Apocaclaws]

I see you made val peak

 

[MitchRapp]

You lost me at fortnite

I remember playing that with him when it first came out. One of use would use XBox and the other the Nintendo Switch. I wa terrible at it but it was fun to play w him.

 

[Apocaclaws]

I Dont play games im good at too many crying kids

 

[Tildey]

Im just confused why your answer was no

What's with the focus on the length of CWE's answer? Its not like he's known for super long posts or for using a lot of unnecessary words. How many words is the minimum for saying no for it to not be suspicious?

 

[Mazer]

Let's look at it this way - the game started with 9 town, 4 coven and 3 neutral players.

BN and Xanjori are pretty much confirmed to be town - a tavernkeeper and spy respectively. Their deaths shifted the setup to 7 town, 4 coven and 3 neutral. In other words, there's now 7 town, 4 definite threats in the form of the coven and anywhere from 1-3 direct threats in the form of neutral roles.

Which means we really need everyone to be showing up and weighing in. The more I think on it, the less I like the idea of going after Hodor today. A jester is always going to want to be yeeted to fulfill their win condition and I'm 99% certain that's what the gimmick is all about, though it benefits the coven immensely to waste a day phase dealing with a distraction.

The worst case scenario is that we take out the jester (who may or may not have the ability to take out a player in the process). If that player is town and another two town are hit in the night that brings the setup down to 4 town, 4 coven and 2 neutral.

So with that in mind, I propose we go after one of the inactive players who don't seem at all alarmed by the predicament we're in.

Unvote: Hodor

My guess is either jester or my old friend That man can commit to a gimmick.

And the voting style checks out.


Just finished coaching for the day. Reading now.

 

[Listo95]

What's with the focus on the length of CWE's answer? Its not like he's known for super long posts or for using a lot of unnecessary words. How many words is the minimum for saying no for it to not be suspicious?

I assume just claws being claws.

 

[Tildey]

I'm on the fence with Llettuce, it seems Xanjori didn't necessarily have anything damning and simply informed us who his N1 target was?

That's how I read his will.

I wonder how much info the dead get after they're dead. We know they get to cast a vote. And I think I remember from the rules post that people can still discover roles of those who are dead if they have an action that does that. I wonder if they also get the results of their action? If so, then wouldn't the dead vote for llettuce instead of Hodor?

 

[Mazer]

I still hate hodor and cwe not helpin mazer oof

I'm going to actually say I'm pretty comfortable with his answer.

 

[Tildey]

My guess is either jester or my old friend That man can commit to a gimmick.

And the voting style checks out.


Just finished coaching for the day. Reading now.

I can appreciate commitment to a gimmick. But this is a really annoying one to commit to.

 

[Mazer]

Mazer is lhf aswell guys probably gunna get mkd

I don't know how to take this.

 

[Tildey]

Oh shit just realised there are 4 coven they wont let their scumbuddy go down unless its FH.

This made me laugh way too hard. Future is pretty much always damned if he does, damned if he don't.

 

[Apocaclaws]

My guess is either jester or my old friend That man can commit to a gimmick.

And the voting style checks out.


Just finished coaching for the day. Reading now.

Do you have comment on cwe putting you in your place and saying no

what about the acusations that you are scum do you have any comments iceman
MOre news at 11

 

[Apocaclaws]

This made me laugh way too hard. Future is pretty much always damned if he does, damned if he don't.

Its like looking in a mirror but the reflection is a handsomer mtr

 

[Apocaclaws]

I don't know how to take this.

Ya you do

 

[Mazer]

I can appreciate commitment to a gimmick. But this is a really annoying one to commit to.

Fo sure. I'm not defending it as a value add.

Just making a non jester guess. Honestly, i barely care if jesters win. I hate the concept and never utilize them in my games.

 

[Mazer]

Ya you do

I don't know what lhf means.

Is this some filthy jargon?

 

[Listo95]

I don't know what lhf means.

Is this some filthy jargon?

Low hanging fruit. Easy lynches or people not really posting.

 

[Mazer]

Do you have comment on cwe putting you in your place and saying no

what about the acusations that you are scum do you have any comments iceman
MOre news at 11

What place? I actually think he predicted my response well.

Turns out he and I may have played together a time or two.

Iceman says "Be cool. Stay in school".

 

[Mazer]

Man, i really have slipped to be low hanging fruit now.

But that's actually probably fair lol.

 

[Tildey]

Fo sure. I'm not defending it as a value add.

Just making a non jester guess. Honestly, i barely care if jesters win. I hate the concept and never utilize them in my games.

I was just reading the Jester role card to try to better understand. I can agree with you that it doesn't bother me much one way or the other that they meet their win con. But, if I'm understanding the role card correctly, it looks like a jester can take out one of the people that voted for them when they go. We're already down two town (if we take BN & Xan's Last Will claims at face value). I'd hate to risk losing another over a jester.

 

[Mazer]

Mazer's half ass reads of the day.

I liked Matt's logic
I like cwe

Interested to hear more from lettuce. The cwe interest after his answer was interesting to me.

Please note that my normal day 2 reads are half-ass. Since these are half-ass, half-ass reads, please factor these reads at 1/4 ass.

 

[Mazer]

I was just reading the Jester role card to try to better understand. I can agree with you that it doesn't bother me much one way or the other that they meet their win con. But, if I'm understanding the role card correctly, it looks like a jester can take out one of the people that voted for them when they go. We're already down two town (if we take BN & Xan's Last Will claims at face value). I'd hate to risk losing another over a jester.

That's a good point.

 

[llettuce]

Fo sure. I'm not defending it as a value add.

Just making a non jester guess. Honestly, i barely care if jesters win. I hate the concept and never utilize them in my games.

the only problem is thats 2 people lost, they get a kill on their way out

 

[Tildey]

So I did an ISO of MitchRapp's posts to try to understand the reason behind the votes on him. I'm not seeing it. Can any of you guys that have votes sitting on him clarify it for me? The posts I've seen he seems pretty forthcoming and focused on finding the best path forward for town. Are there some damning posts that I'm missing that has him as the lead votegetter?

 

[Apocaclaws]

I don't know what lhf means.

Is this some filthy jargon?

Low hanging fruit like yo nuts before mrs mazer

 

[Apocaclaws]

You gunna grace us with a vote on some1 at least idc if its a non relavent train

 

[Tildey]

Vote: Future

His inactivity is normal and NAI. What I find suspicious is the nature of his interactions when he does show up. It reads as only popping in after being reminded that he needs to. He says he's caught up and going to share more but we haven't heard from him since.

 

[MTR]

So I did an ISO of MitchRapp's posts to try to understand the reason behind the votes on him. I'm not seeing it. Can any of you guys that have votes sitting on him clarify it for me? The posts I've seen he seems pretty forthcoming and focused on finding the best path forward for town. Are there some damning posts that I'm missing that has him as the lead votegetter?

Yeah I am a bit confused as well why they are going after Mitch

 

[Apocaclaws]

Yeah I am a bit confused as well why they are going after Mitch

Well scum want mitch our if hes a ti they already got thanos

 

[Listo95]

Vote: Future

His inactivity is normal and NAI. What I find suspicious is the nature of his interactions when he does show up. It reads as only popping in after being reminded that he needs to. He says he's caught up and going to share more but we haven't heard from him since.

Glad I’m not alone in my confusion. It just seems to be that he appears scummy to Satsu and people are just going with it? Maybe I’m misinterpreting it.

 

[Mazer]

You gunna grace us with a vote on some1 at least idc if its a non relavent train

Do a vote count for me jabroni.

Then pick up my dry cleaning.

 

[Apocaclaws]

Do a vote count for me jabroni.

Then pick up my dry cleaning.

I dont even do my own laundry dad

 

[Mazer]

Your own vote counting?

 

[Val the Moofia Boss]

Vote: Mitch

 

[Apocaclaws]

Your own vote counting?

I dont do that either

 

[Apocaclaws]

@MitchRapp i think nows the time to make an offical claim we are running outta day time

 

[Matthieu]

I've been liking Mitch's posts this day phase. They feel genuine.

Vote: Future

I'll see where this takes us.

 

[MitchRapp]

@MitchRapp i think nows the time to make an offical claim we are running outta day time

Isn't there a role that can kill me if I hard claim? I have given a pretty clear look as to my role when I discussed your actions last night.

What is the vote count at?

 

[VoidKitten]

Day 2 Vote Count:

Mitch - 5 (Satsu #290, FutureHold #359, Hodor #405, Val #458, Dead)
FutureHold - 4 (CWE #389, Tildey #451, Matthieu #461, Dead)
LDG - 1 (Claws #379)

Not Voting: LemonDemonGirl, llettuce, Listo95, Mazer, MitchRapp, MTR

It is now Day 2. Day 2 will end on Nov 3rd at 8:00pm ET or when majority is reached. With 16 players active (14 alive/2 dead), majority is 9 votes on a single player. If majority is not reached by the end of the day, there will be no elimination.

 

[Tildey]

Vote: Mitch

Can you share more about why?

 

[Val the Moofia Boss]

I believe in Hodor to guide us.

 

[Tildey]

Isn't there a role that can kill me if I hard claim? I have given a pretty clear look as to my role when I discussed your actions last night.

What is the vote count at?

You can’t claim your character but you can claim your role. You’re right that you’ve given some hints about your role when you shared your info about Claws’ activities. I meant to go back and check the role cards for possibilities and got distracted. I think I’ll do that now.

 

[ForgottenHold]

I've been liking Mitch's posts this day phase. They feel genuine.

Vote: Future

I'll see where this takes us.

It’ll take you to a mislynch

 

[ForgottenHold]

Vote: Future

His inactivity is normal and NAI. What I find suspicious is the nature of his interactions when he does show up. It reads as only popping in after being reminded that he needs to. He says he's caught up and going to share more but we haven't heard from him since.

I got nothing to say. Mitch seems the most scummy to me, followed by Claws. Claws is pressuring LDG to claim and then wanting to vote her over some NAI messages.

 

[MitchRapp]

I believe in Hodor to guide us.

That tracks.

 

[ForgottenHold]

That tracks.

Don’t expect reasoning out of Val

 

[MitchRapp]

Don’t expect reasoning out of Val

Are you being intentionally obtuse?

 

[Hodor]

So I did an ISO of MitchRapp's posts to try to understand the reason behind the votes on him. I'm not seeing it. Can any of you guys that have votes sitting on him clarify it for me? The posts I've seen he seems pretty forthcoming and focused on finding the best path forward for town. Are there some damning posts that I'm missing that has him as the lead votegetter?

Hodor

 

[ForgottenHold]

Are you being intentionally obtuse?

Are you?

Do you actually expect Val to give a good reason behind any of their actions?

 

[ForgottenHold]

Vote: Claws

Gonna switch there.

 

[MitchRapp]

Are you?

Do you actually expect Val to give a good reason behind any of their actions?

Future ignoring my post and acting like it has anything to do with Val...that TRACKS

 

[MitchRapp]

Vote: Forgotten Hold

 

[Apocaclaws]

Isn't there a role that can kill me if I hard claim? I have given a pretty clear look as to my role when I discussed your actions last night.

What is the vote count at?

Un sure but your dead if you dont claim too

 

[MitchRapp]

Un sure but your dead if you dont claim too

Try to keep up.

 

[Listo95]

Isn't there a role that can kill me if I hard claim? I have given a pretty clear look as to my role when I discussed your actions last night.

What is the vote count at?

I believe TIs are safe from all that.

 

[Apocaclaws]

Try to keep up.

Ya sorry been a rough day in the shitter

 

[Tildey]

Un sure but your dead if you dont claim too

There's a role that kills people that hard claim? I've only skimmed most of the roles (because there are a ton) unless I've had a reason to read a specific one (like with the Jester discussion). I just figured role was a typo for rule when I replied to him. I didn't realize there was a role that can kill someone for hard claiming. Which one is that?

 

[llettuce]

Yeah ritualist

 

[Apocaclaws]

There's a role that kills people that hard claim? I've only skimmed most of the roles (because there are a ton) unless I've had a reason to read a specific one (like with the Jester discussion). I just figured role was a typo for rule when I replied to him. I didn't realize there was a role that can kill someone for hard claiming. Which one is that?

Doomsayer comes to mind

 

[ForgottenHold]

Future ignoring my post and acting like it has anything to do with Val...that TRACKS

Does it though?

 

[ForgottenHold]

Am I the dumbest scum to ever live or just rusty?

 

[llettuce]

Doomsayer comes to mind

fucking forgor

 

[ForgottenHold]

You’re making a mistake if you kill me though

 

[llettuce]

Town investigative are immune to both @ tildey

 

[MitchRapp]

Am I the dumbest scum to ever live or just rusty?

Well right now the choices are you or me. I have claimed my role and given who I used it on. That person has not said my information was inaccurate so if people keep their vote on me they have decided that it some elaborate ruse between Claws and myself.

 

[MitchRapp]

Town investigative are immune to both @ tildey

Good to know. There are so many roles to keep track of in this game.

 

[Hodor]

Hodor

 

[Hodor]

Vote: listo
Vote: lettuce
Vote: tildey[/VOTE

Hodor

Vote: Mitch rapp

Hodor

 

[Apocaclaws]

Am I the dumbest scum to ever live or just rusty?

The dumbest by far but we love ya

 

[ForgottenHold]

Well right now the choices are you or me. I have claimed my role and given who I used it on. That person has not said my information was inaccurate so if people keep their vote on me they have decided that it some elaborate ruse between Claws and myself.

Does it have to be both us, and who says it isn’t. I don’t get why I have to be the unwitting victim to this

 

[Val the Moofia Boss]

Listen to your elders folks!



"whispers* "Vote Miiiiitch!"

 

[Hodor]

Vote: future hodor
Unvote: future hodor

Hodor!

 

[ForgottenHold]

You think that I as scum would so brazenly make a major mistake without having the scum chat yell at me?

 

[Hodor]

Vote: Mitch rapp

Hodor

 

[MitchRapp]

Does it have to be both us, and who says it isn’t. I don’t get why I have to be the unwitting victim to this

It doesnt, there is a handful of hours to find someone else.

 

[Apocaclaws]

You think that I as scum would so brazenly make a major mistake without having the scum chat yell at me?

BUs you they will