Mafia 24 - Camp Half-Blood

[Xanjori]

Final Day 1 Vote Count:

BN - 6 (Matthieu #3, Val #51, Xanjori #113, Claws #140, MitchRapp #198, Listo #199)
Caito - 2 (3puppies #38), CWE #66)
Sleep - 2 (Caito #92, Mazer #176)
Claws - 1 (BN #4)
Listo - 1 (Grumpy #68)

Not Voting: llettuce, MTR

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The group spent the day more or less meandering around and discussing their circumstances. As the sun set, no one amongst them stood out as the most dastardly and they decided to take a night to see what a new day would bring them.

There has been no elimination.

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It is now Night 1. Night 1 will end at 8:00pm ET on Sept 30th or when all actions are submitted. Actions must be submitted by 6:00pm ET for them to be valid.

If 3 puppies is indeed evil Id be tempted to go BN straight after.

 

[CWE]

Surely has to be a way for me to know. I dont make up things like that.
It would confuse Claws and that makes him unhinged.

3 ways that I van think of immediately.

 

[Xanjori]

There is the potential for framed results during this game based on the roles within the game. Specifics are detailed on these role cards.

Like this is the only thing it sounds like could be a v/v situation with Val+3puppies here, I guess Val should give more details into why he is so sure 3Puppies is evil

 

[VoidKitten]

Day 2 Vote Count:

3puppies - 3 (Val #247, Matthieu #251), Mazer #256)
Claws - 1 (Blind Ninja #220)

Not Voting: 3puppies, Caito, CWE, Grumpycat, Listo, llettuce, Mazer, MTR, Xanjori, Mitch #252), Claws #261

It is now Day 2. Day 2 will end at 8:00pm ET on Oct 2nd or when majority is reached. With 14 players alive, majority is 8 votes on a single player. If majority is not reached by the end of day, there will be no elimination.

 

[3puppies]

Its more about why pick you? I could think of easier yeet targets.

I wondered what I did to deserve being a target, and I think either it was random, or that he - like everyone - knows I am a lot less experienced so maybe I wouldn't know what to do. With nothing in the writeup, there's no way I can prove to everyone I am no threat to town. I have a much higher opinion of everyone else than myself, so I do see myself as maybe the easiest target.

But it's mostly about how I read the Executioner role. In a game with limited writeups, it would seem the easiest strategy would be to simply claim deets on someone right away, and press for a yeet on them as nobody else has anything that could be confirmed.

 

[MitchRapp]

I am no threat to town.

Claiming 3rd party that can't hurt town. That's not a reason for the town not to lynch you.

 

[Blind Ninja]

BN - 6 (Matthieu #3, Val #51, Xanjori #113, Claws #140, MitchRapp #198, Listo #199)
Caito - 2 (3puppies #38), CWE #66)
Sleep - 2 (Caito #92, Mazer #176)
Claws - 1 (BN #4)
Listo - 1 (Grumpy #68)

Not Voting: llettuce, MTR

If 3 puppies is indeed evil Id be tempted to go BN straight after.

If you're doing it purely off votes... why pick 3pups and me specifically?

Looks like I could be teamed with 3pup, Caito, CWE, Mazer, Grumpy, Llettuce or MTR

 

[MitchRapp]

If you're doing it purely off votes... why pick 3pups and me specifically?

Looks like I could be teamed with 3pup, Caito, CWE, Mazer, Grumpy, Llettuce or MTR

What if you were teamed up with all of them? #DreamTeam

 

[Blind Ninja]

What if you were teamed up with all of them? #DreamTeam

Interesting thought... But with 3pup essentially claiming 3rd party... I know Im not teamed with him. Even if he town sides. No way to guarantee that.

 

[MitchRapp]

Interesting thought... But with 3pup essentially claiming 3rd party... I know Im not teamed with him. Even if he town sides. No way to guarantee that.

I was not being serious but I guess with any/all it could happen.

 

[MitchRapp]

Where is @Apocaclaws ??? I wana poke at him some more.

 

[CWE]

What if you were teamed up with all of them? #DreamTeam

(Vote) Caito on any team with me...

Dream? No. Nightmare? Yes.

 

[Mazer]

If we have an Executioner, as I suspect, doesn't it make the most sense for them pick a target and claim info very early, before anyone can counter? If the Executioner gets me yeeted, then a random person either on my train, or who did not vote also dies, and the Executioner wins.

Seems like a relatively easy wincon in a game with limited writeups.

It's an interesting theory.

 

[Mazer]

The limited writeup sucks.

I know I didn't act because I don't know who is deserving. But with only 3 roles in the write-up, and 14 players, there are 10 others who aren't sharing anything about your actions. One of these is I am guessing Val, the Executioner, who is not in the writeup either.

That still leaves 9 of you not sharing info about your activity last night.

I liked your earlier theory, but I also don't love this post.

 

[Mazer]

I wondered what I did to deserve being a target, and I think either it was random, or that he - like everyone - knows I am a lot less experienced so maybe I wouldn't know what to do. With nothing in the writeup, there's no way I can prove to everyone I am no threat to town. I have a much higher opinion of everyone else than myself, so I do see myself as maybe the easiest target.

But it's mostly about how I read the Executioner role. In a game with limited writeups, it would seem the easiest strategy would be to simply claim deets on someone right away, and press for a yeet on them as nobody else has anything that could be confirmed.

Obviously, the "If it is an executioner, why choose 3pups?" probably went into our minds. And I can't quite get there with your first paragraph. It doesn't really ring right to me. I mean, you've played a decent amount of games at this point. You're no newb. And you tend to post more often. It's not a weekend, and there are people who are basically inactive.

All that said, I've been surprised by Val's targets before and it's certainly not a theory that can be ruled out. That is a viable strategy.

 

[Matthieu]

A player accused of being scum, even if caught red handed, is liable to deny and deflect. It generally comes down to how good the individual is at sweet talk.

On the other hand, if we choose to believe 3puppies and turn on Val and it turns out Val is telling the truth...then we lose a valuable investigation role.

 

[Mazer]

Well. I'm not going to argue with you, of all people, about sweet talk.

I do think that if someone presents a theory, it at least needs to be vetted out fully. The facts check to me. It's the "Why" of 3pups that I'm still wrapping my mind around, and whether that makes sense as a narrative.

 

[Mazer]

I agree though, without evidence, I would not be in favor of making an assumption about Val.

A quick lynch mob mentality on someone bringing forth dees, without a validation....is dumb.

 

[3puppies]

I agree though, without evidence, I would not be in favor of making an assumption about Val.

A quick lynch mob mentality on someone bringing forth dees, without a validation....is dumb.

This is why I have not voted Val yet. Besides OMGUS, I want to understand if there are other possibilities I am missing.

 

[MitchRapp]

Claws come out and play.

 

[MTR]

Okay. I need to go back and read what is going on. I skimmed to try to catch up. So Val says 3pups while 3pups is saying not so fast. I mean not like we have seen people interpret their info wrong in the past so I guess we need to hash this out some.

 

[Mazer]

If the scenarios, are:

Val has legit dees-This is pretty straightforward. Val is probably good.
Val is executioner-3 pups could be good, bad, or neutral. Val would be neutral and 3pups retains almost the same base chance of membership (minus 1 from whatever the n is for the neutral group, so slightly higher percentage than a random person of falling in good or bad vs. neutral).
Val has corrupt dees-Val good, 3 pups likely good.

The 3rd possibility is the much less likely thing. As, unless I've missed something in roles (admittedly I have not read all in depth), it would require the person making the corruption to guess right on one of two non-obvious targets on n1 (the night where there are the most potential targets for a night action). So, I can't rule it out completely, but certainly the first 2 are more probable.

.

 

[MTR]

Say what now

last game I should have died night one but someone goofed and then I ended up blocking Caito's next two kill attempts. lol

 

[Mazer]

It's also not lost on me that the Executioner role being cited will scare people from voting. So it could be a wise defense, and certainly something voidkitten would have considered as potentially mitigating the effectiveness of investigative roles.

Damn it voidkitten. It's the litterbox for you.

 

[Mazer]

last game I should have died night one but someone goofed and then I ended up blocking Caito's next two kill attempts. lol

Well then. That sounds like quite the turn of events.

 

[MTR]

Val, I am absolutely not scum. Not sure what you're reading / implying that made you come up with this.

I have spent the day making hospice arrangements for my mother-in-law. We are told its a matter of hours or maybe a day. As she's in her late 80's, it's not unexpected, but she's made it through at least 8 ER trips in the past year, and she's always pulled through. But each time, a little weaker.

So I will probably get modkilled for not being able to meet the 10 post minimum.

Sorry to hear that.

 

[MTR]

I believe Val is an Executioner

There is no way there can be any info on me as I made no action last night.

Val comes in claiming deets, hoping to get me wrongly yeeted.

In a game with limited write-ups, it seems easy enough to believe.

Val, you're a much better, more experienced player than I am. Somebody else may hopefully please be able to explain this better to me

You don't have to do an action for someone to get info on you if they have some kind of cop check they can do. Just saying.

 

[MitchRapp]

Okay. I need to go back and read what is going on. I skimmed to try to catch up. So Val says 3pups while 3pups is saying not so fast. I mean not like we have seen people interpret their info wrong in the past so I guess we need to hash this out some.

Val claims info 3 puppies.
3 puppies denies and proposes executioner.

Oh and Claws is scum.

That about sums it up.

 

[GrumpyCat]

Val has legit dees-This is pretty straightforward. Val is probably good.
Val is executioner-3 pups could be good, bad, or neutral. Val would be neutral and 3pups retains almost the same base chance of membership (minus 1 from whatever the n is for the neutral group, so slightly higher percentage than a random person of falling in good or bad vs. neutral).
Val has corrupt dees-Val good, 3 pups likely good.

Val got dees and undrestood it wrong. Like some games ago where he was town and yeeted town like this.

I am not voting based on his word alone. If I see Vals flip and will i will decide if those are deets or no.

 

[GrumpyCat]

What if you were teamed up with all of them? #DreamTeam

Even in all/any there cant be more than 4 coven/apoc a start right?

 

[GrumpyCat]

3 ways that I van think of immediately.

I found 6 but could still be more.

 

[MitchRapp]

Even in all/any there cant be more than 4 coven/apoc a start right?

You would know.

 

[3puppies]

You don't have to do an action for someone to get info on you if they have some kind of cop check they can do. Just saying.

I ruled this out as If someone cop checked me they'd know I am town

 

[MitchRapp]

Even in all/any there cant be more than 4 coven/apoc a start right?

Would you join me in a vote for noted scum member Claws?

 

[CWE]

If the scenarios, are:

Val has legit dees-This is pretty straightforward. Val is probably good.
Val is executioner-3 pups could be good, bad, or neutral. Val would be neutral and 3pups retains almost the same base chance of membership (minus 1 from whatever the n is for the neutral group, so slightly higher percentage than a random person of falling in good or bad vs. neutral).
Val has corrupt dees-Val good, 3 pups likely good.

The 3rd possibility is the much less likely thing. As, unless I've missed something in roles (admittedly I have not read all in depth), it would require the person making the corruption to guess right on one of two non-obvious targets on n1 (the night where there are the most potential targets for a night action). So, I can't rule it out completely, but certainly the first 2 are more probable.

.

Scenario 4...Val is PM and used reveal potion on 3pup seeing an evil and is puahing.

 

[Mazer]

Val claims info 3 puppies.
3 puppies denies and proposes executioner.

Oh and Claws is scum.

That about sums it up.

Um...well then

 

[Mazer]

Scenario 4...Val is PM and used reveal potion on 3pup seeing an evil and is puahing.

Oh Hadn't looked at that one.

 

[CWE]

Even in all/any there cant be more than 4 coven/apoc a start right?

No. Each apoc is unique and there are only 4. There are more than 4 coven total but only 4 max unless someone changed it.

 

[MitchRapp]

Scenario 4...Val is PM and used reveal potion on 3pup seeing an evil and is puahing.

So like a bad guy cop? What is PM?

 

[CWE]

Oh Hadn't looked at that one.

Open your 3rd eye and you will see all.

 

[MitchRapp]

So like a bad guy cop? What is PM?

NM Found it.

 

[CWE]

So like a bad guy cop? What is PM?

Potion Master. Coven.

 

[Matthieu]

There's also the possibility that Val simply lucked out and picked a good target on N1.

 

[Mazer]

Val got dees and undrestood it wrong. Like some games ago where he was town and yeeted town like this.

I am not voting based on his word alone. If I see Vals flip and will i will decide if those are deets or no.

It's possible. I usually see that in more of the RM games, and from some other folks fucking around with trying to outsmart the color. But def possible

 

[Blind Ninja]

Scenario 4...Val is PM and used reveal potion on 3pup seeing an evil and is puahing.

An interesting take.

Still would expect more from Val then just saying X is scum and vote. Then fade away again.

 

[Mazer]

BUT WHAT IF THIS IS THE EXECUTIONER?

 

[CWE]

An interesting take.

Still would expect more from Val then just saying X is scum and vote. Then fade away again.

Which is why I asked...what Town Investigative are you @Val the Moofia Boss ?

 

[CWE]

BUT WHAT IF THIS IS THE EXECUTIONER?

There are not many town that would have a guaranteed evil hit n1. Literally only 3. Unless I'm missing one.

 

[Mazer]

Has voidkitten built early exit winners into games in the past.

 

[Blind Ninja]

There's also the possibility that Val simply lucked out and picked a good target on N1.

Are you teamed with Val again?

 

[Mazer]

There are not many town that would have a guaranteed evil hit n1. Literally only 3. Unless I'm missing one.

Depending on how many scum there are, in 16 person game, 3 people isn't terrible odds. I guess....would you do that n1?

 

[Matthieu]

Has voidkitten built early exit winners into games in the past.

I believe so.

Are you teamed with Val again?

Potentially. If he's truly Town.

 

[Mazer]

Never mind, because.....I looked it up and reveal is an each night action

 

[GrumpyCat]

Has voidkitten built early exit winners into games in the past.

Robozerim was a pirate.

 

[Mazer]

So I guess it's more likely, just based on numbers, for it to hit town than scum. But no so improbable as to rule out.

But the executioner just needs someone that they can talk people into lynching.

 

[MitchRapp]

Robozerim was a pirate.

 

[CWE]

Never mind, because.....I looked it up and reveal is an each night action

PM meta is reveal each night and if you have a rit, and don't find a TI...they dead. If your team has a jinx and 1 more coven...that's 3 dead a night potentially.

 

[GrumpyCat]

If there was one we should know by now. Duel target would out them i guess.

 

[CWE]

If there was one we should know by now. Duel target would out them i guess.

Unless the pirated person was Coven killing and didn't want to reveal they were blocked last night.

 

[Listo95]

I found 6 but could still be more.

I can only find 5 ways but *shrug*

 

[MitchRapp]

I can only find 5 ways but *shrug*

Hi Listo. Who should we vote for?

 

[GrumpyCat]

Potion Master. Coven.

Last rand had 3 individual "sk" and a scum team of 2.

IF this game is in simillar fashion then on one hand it will be harder to get scum based on connections because there isnt really any team. But it could lead to some scum v scum action.

 

[GrumpyCat]

I can only find 5 ways but *shrug*

I could be a cleric
I could be a spy.
I could be a guardian angel.
I could be admirer that joined cleric.
I could be admirer that joined spy.
I could be an arsonist.

 

[GrumpyCat]

Ok you win this one i said i am not town investigative so rules out spy.

 

[CWE]

I can only find 5 ways but *shrug*

Spy who saw a douse, the actual arso giving us tmi and a pm who found an arso. What are these other ways? Maybe I'm too drunk and need to go to sleep.

 

[Listo95]

I could be a cleric
I could be a spy.
I could be a guardian angel.
I could be admirer that joined cleric.
I could be admirer that joined spy.
I could be an arsonist.

Cleric gives no shits about Douse.

 

[Listo95]

Spy who saw a douse, the actual arso giving us tmi and a pm who found an arso. What are these other ways? Maybe I'm too drunk and need to go to sleep.

Invest, Witch

 

[Listo95]

Cleric gives no shits about Douse.

I also don't think as a GA you would learn if you cleared a douse off the target.

 

[CWE]

I could be a cleric
I could be a spy.
I could be a guardian angel.
I could be admirer that joined cleric.
I could be admirer that joined spy.
I could be an arsonist.

GA doesn't know what their target is. Just who their target is. Cleric wouldn't know if a arso visited...no attack. Admirer...same.

 

[CWE]

Invest, Witch

Invest wouldnt see an arso. They could see if an arso visited I guess. And witch...yeah, forgot that one.

 

[Listo95]

Hi Listo. Who should we vote for?

*shrug*

I see Val says 3pups is evil, 3pups says Val is prolly Exe. You are against Claws but I'm not seeing a reason. Is it just his posts?

 

[GrumpyCat]

I also don't think as a GA you would learn if you cleared a douse off the target.

Ok you got me. Removing debuffs gives feedback.

 

[Listo95]

Invest wouldnt see an arso. They could see if an arso visited I guess. And witch...yeah, forgot that one.

Yeah that's what I meant when I said Invest, they used Percept and saw an Arso visit.

 

[CWE]

Yeah that's what I meant when I said Invest, they used Percept and saw an Arso visit.

Percept is shit. N1 is its only useful(ish) time. Invest is middle of the road TI.

 

[Matthieu]

inb4 Val doesn't come back until right before the deadline to clarify

 

[Listo95]

Ok you got me. Removing debuffs gives feedback.

*shrug* I feel I remember in the OG version it would say you healed a poison but I genuinely don't recall if it gave feedback for a douse or not.

 

[Listo95]

Percept is shit. N1 is its only useful(ish) time. Invest is middle of the road TI.

Oh I understand, but it was still a possibility.

 

[CWE]

*shrug* I feel I remember in the OG version it would say you healed a poison but I genuinely don't recall if it gave feedback for a douse or not.

(It didn't.)

 

[CWE]

Oh I understand, but it was still a possibility.

Yeah. I forget percept sometimes. It's invests newest power to try and make it not as shit. It failed.

 

[Mazer]

Cleric gives no shits about Douse.

I feel dumb.

Douse?

 

[GrumpyCat]

Arsonists douse. Or players get doused by visiting arsonist.

Now whitch one of those, thats a good question.

 

[Apocaclaws]

Where is @Apocaclaws ??? I wana poke at him some more.

Working

 

[Mazer]

Working

But what are you working at?

Is it evil?

I think it might be evil.

Unless we're about to hand someone the game?

 

[Apocaclaws]

Working on rigging a huge CAT arm into a box for prehang to go down in the salt mine

 

[MitchRapp]

Working

 

[Mazer]

Working on rigging a huge CAT arm into a box for prehang to go down in the salt mine

I recently learned that there a lot of salt mines in my state.

The question is....are you working in an evil salt mine?

 

[Apocaclaws]

I could be a cleric
I could be a spy.
I could be a guardian angel.
I could be admirer that joined cleric.
I could be admirer that joined spy.
I could be an arsonist.

What the fuck are ya

 

[Mazer]

@3puppies

If you are able to, I'd be curious your thoughts on the claws situation.

 

[Apocaclaws]

What claws situation?

 

[MitchRapp]

What the fuck are ya

Why would he claim on d2 because of your whims?

 

[Apocaclaws]

I recently learned that there a lot of salt mines in my state.

The question is....are you working in an evil salt mine?

No i work at a welding shop we do alot of work for the salt mine compass mineral they are based outta the states

 

[Apocaclaws]

Why would he claim on d2 because of your whims?

HE wouldnt are you dense

 

[MitchRapp]

HE wouldnt are you dense

Did you claim on D1?

 

[Apocaclaws]

Im not evil im the best town cat you got

 

[Apocaclaws]

Did you claim on D1?

not to my reculection why

 

[MitchRapp]

not to my reculection why

Astros games in on soon. May be distracted briefly.

 

[Apocaclaws]

Astros games in on soon. May be distracted briefly.

I could never get into sports loved playing them watching tho not for claws

 

[MitchRapp]

I could never get into sports loved playing them watching tho not for claws

 

[GrumpyCat]

So what up Mitch? Are we voting Claws or what?

 

[Mazer]

No i work at a welding shop we do alot of work for the salt mine compass mineral they are based outta the states

Well, their headquarters is very close to where I work. They sponsor a lot of things, including Sporting KC.