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Mafia 39 - Ghost Town

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Claws said:
I also need psycho to explain what accountabuility i am lacking ? i show up i engage hell i pimg a bunch of dingdongs before eod trying to get votes goin
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I understand your explanation, but I feel like you are usually much more forthcoming with votes

Though, I'm curious about something specific when it comes to claims
 
CWE said:
:sherlock::shifty::panic::poke::wiggle::popcorn::cool:
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Suspicious, shifty eyes, panic

You've been curious about the roles and found it kind of suspicious that we haven't had any claims OR felt that the thread was being crazy for thinking as much?

Poke with a stick, cheeky contentment, popcorn, shades

You've been poking because you have nothing else to go on and just want to watch what happens/been getting a kick out of those solving as if we have night action roles?

Am I at all right in any of this?
 
PsychoSoldier said:
Ok, let's figure something out

If you're a Vanilla Townie, say so

I am
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PsychoSoldier said:
This isn't what I got from that rule announcement at all. I assumed she was just talking about the flip. So I don't think there are investigatives
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I was thinking there may be an investigative role but what you say makes sense. I hadn't thought about it that way. But considering there has been no info shared I am guessing that yeah no investigative roles
 
Claws said:
IF we wanna talk accountibuility where was every1 before eod whole thread to myself mazer mad a the bears game only one to show up
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I am not available on weekends, due to my couponing. 'Twas a busy week. Occasionally I can make a late-night post.

PsychoSoldier said:
This isn't what I got from that rule announcement at all. I assumed she was just talking about the flip. So I don't think there are investigatives
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Interesting. First, I don't know if Foxxi would do this. I will concede that it is at least plausible. Second, you're basically asking for the Town Investigative role to identify and make themselves an easy target.

I still think, based on both Grumpy and Val voting for you, that our best chance

Vote: Psycho
 
3puppies said:
I can't figure this out without writeups or any info. We know there is a traitor - which Foxxi says will always appear as town, so there has to be someone with investigative role. But nobody shared D2 about info on N1 - which I guess I can understand because sharing will make them a target.

We lost two last night. Grumpy and Val. Grumpy was the leading train and he flipped town. Val is also gone, and he flipped green as well. I am thinking that one was a mafia kill while the other was Foxxi's mark of death. But I can't help but notice that Grumpy was warning us about Psycho, and Val also voted for Psycho. So I am thinking that maybe one of them had the investigator role and may have found scum, but didn't want to out their role. If so, we are probably screwed.

Grumpy's death does tell me that CWE is probably not the investigator, or at least he hadn't found a bad guy. I don't think CWE would post the shrugs emoji so much if he knew for sure. But at least when CWE is town, he understands we need information. I am getting mostly positive vibes from him.



This pings me that you have info you're not sharing. Isn't it possible that ANY of Matt, Val, or Grumpy could have been the traitor? Why are you focused on gc only? And why are you still alive? You voted for GC as well, but so did Psycho and Claws.

@MTR - where are you? You've been pretty quiet, and sitting in the background, not solving makes it hard to figure you out. On the one hand, if you were scum you easily could have voted to take Grumpy out, as only one more vote was needed and you didn't vote. But like Claws said, were you just content to wait for the mark of death?

I am not going to vote early, as even though I am leaning Psycho, if there is a scum killer and a traitor left, I don't want to give them the chance to pile on quickly if I am wrong.
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Just catching up, but I fail to see how anyone wouldnt make the same gc assumption.
 
PsychoSoldier said:
Wondering what Grumpy's death was intended for. Was he on to someone enough or were they trying to frame me or Claws?

Also, were both kills scumsided or was town responsible for one? I could see where scum maybe killed Val to remain low-key while Grumpy was a vig or something
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Val would have been the safest option. Honestly, that just seemed like a by the book play, and why we werent discussing vanilla too much.

There was a death marking. What are the odds that foxxi took out the leading vote getter?
 
PsychoSoldier said:
I want to say that 3pups is just town this time, even if it kind of rubs me the wrong way that he's trying to use role conjecture as a reason to vote me, but I also think scum 3pups probably wouldn't hesitate with just voting right away

Mazer has been inquisitive but unimpactful. Which isn't particularly scummy for him. If anything I kind of expect him to have more leading questions and try to set up shade on more people, but it comes off a bit more like he's trying to gauge everyone.

CWE could be scum pretending to have a posting restriction, but not sure that's really his style. I'm more prone to believe he just had a misguided hunch on Grumpy and is kinda annoyed he can't talk more.

If I'm at all right in this, MTR and Claws become the two most concerning, though MTR is a coin flip and I'm still kind of mixed on whether Claws is posting in a towny way or trying to manipulate the thread while having little accountability himself

It's actually kind of weird Claws has been so reserved with votes now that I think about it
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There's one thing that gives me hesitation in paragraph 1.

Paragraph 2 is fair. Trying to get back on flow with limited time and data. Want to get back in specific pattern, because details matter.

P3-has been a year, but he does do something as scum. And he is 100 percent unselfish scum when he draws it.

P4. You may have caught his one statement that concerned me last session.
 
PsychoSoldier said:
Suspicious, shifty eyes, panic

You've been curious about the roles and found it kind of suspicious that we haven't had any claims OR felt that the thread was being crazy for thinking as much?

Poke with a stick, cheeky contentment, popcorn, shades

You've been poking because you have nothing else to go on and just want to watch what happens/been getting a kick out of those solving as if we have night action roles?

Am I at all right in any of this?
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3puppies said:
I am not available on weekends, due to my couponing. 'Twas a busy week. Occasionally I can make a late-night post.



Interesting. First, I don't know if Foxxi would do this. I will concede that it is at least plausible. Second, you're basically asking for the Town Investigative role to identify and make themselves an easy target.

I still think, based on both Grumpy and Val voting for you, that our best chance

Vote: Psycho
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This is a thoughtful post. My only caveat would be foxxi asked specifically if we wanted a vanilla game pre-game
 
Ok, I'm pretty sure this is an all vanilla town game, and I kinda suspect those that were talking like they expected night info to exist might have been scum who didn't have a VT role card and therefore speculated heavier on what town might do at night

I dunno, this sounds kind of like flawed reasoning when I say it out loud but

It's the main thing that makes me hesitate on calling 3pups town
 
PsychoSoldier said:
Ok, I'm pretty sure this is an all vanilla town game, and I kinda suspect those that were talking like they expected night info to exist might have been scum who didn't have a VT role card and therefore speculated heavier on what town might do at night

I dunno, this sounds kind of like flawed reasoning when I say it out loud but

It's the main thing that makes me hesitate on calling 3pups town
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I still think it could be the memelords mazer and cwe
 
PsychoSoldier said:
Ok, I'm pretty sure this is an all vanilla town game, and I kinda suspect those that were talking like they expected night info to exist might have been scum who didn't have a VT role card and therefore speculated heavier on what town might do at night

I dunno, this sounds kind of like flawed reasoning when I say it out loud but

It's the main thing that makes me hesitate on calling 3pups town
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I can see both points around this as not being off base.

Let me be more direct on a couple things. You-or anyone else-shoot holes.

Whenever cwe is scum, he doesn't expect to live. He makes a sacrifice play willingly. If he was scum, he would not be against leading an early vote. He sometimes talks less. In that world, im skeptical of people wondering if he had dees. Particularly after his later emoji. Id honestly have to read through again. But that would be what id read for in that scenario.

I did not like claws saying he doesn't vote early. His explanation is sound, but its not the claws I know.....and fell in love with.

Nobody is trusted right now. Some im still watching to see if concerns are patterns.
 
So like...that puts me to at least
Mazer said:
I can see both points around this as not being off base.

Let me be more direct on a couple things. You-or anyone else-shoot holes.

Whenever cwe is scum, he doesn't expect to live. He makes a sacrifice play willingly. If he was scum, he would not be against leading an early vote. He sometimes talks less. In that world, im skeptical of people wondering if he had dees. Particularly after his later emoji. Id honestly have to read through again. But that would be what id read for in that scenario.

I did not like claws saying he doesn't vote early. His explanation is sound, but its not the claws I know.....and fell in love with.

Nobody is trusted right now. Some im still watching to see if concerns are patterns.
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Just to make sure I'm reading this right, you think CWE might be using emojis to make himself an easy target/blatantly scumside, while other scum might be taking advantage of that to come up with excuses about who to vote?

And I'm assuming this also isn't you saying CWE has to be scum for the theory to work, but that it also provides an avenue for him to be scum
 
I'm kind of at like one in 3pups/Claws/MTR and then maybe CWE as the other if both aren't in those 3

Assuming there's only 2

Against my better judgment I think I vibe and trust Mazer the most right now, especially after those reads/explanations he just gave
 
Your better at reading mazer and cwe then i am what sticks out towny for you i dont think cwe is forced to do emoticons he was doin those in the sign ups aswell and mazer has been here but im not seeing him actually contrbuite anything worthwhile alot to me is vague like do you see what i see ect that to me personally isnt helpful on the other hand youve had 3pups and mtr do bare min but also not contrbuite much likely the only person i feel decent about is psycho at the moment even tho you 360'd on me after the first day
 
We definitely need to get a yeet. I have been kind of waiting to vote since at this point it would be easy for scum to jump in and take someone out if we are not careful with only needing 4 votes
 
Not sure what to think of CWE at this point.

No one is sticking out to me right now. I mean we all like to try to solve and what not even as scum to throw people off and nothing just stands out right now.
 
PsychoSoldier said:
So like...that puts me to at least

Just to make sure I'm reading this right, you think CWE might be using emojis to make himself an easy target/blatantly scumside, while other scum might be taking advantage of that to come up with excuses about who to vote?

And I'm assuming this also isn't you saying CWE has to be scum for the theory to work, but that it also provides an avenue for him to be scum
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Less to make it obvious, and more because cwe is inherently limited when he has to advance a scum play. He has to go to image or silence typically.

And because of the timing, its at least a viable consideration.
 
Claws said:
Your better at reading mazer and cwe then i am what sticks out towny for you i dont think cwe is forced to do emoticons he was doin those in the sign ups aswell and mazer has been here but im not seeing him actually contrbuite anything worthwhile alot to me is vague like do you see what i see ect that to me personally isnt helpful on the other hand youve had 3pups and mtr do bare min but also not contrbuite much likely the only person i feel decent about is psycho at the moment even tho you 360'd on me after the first day
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I don't feel like im middle of the pack in putting out reads or sus. Particularly with a year gap. I gave specific reasons

"Not doing enough" as a generic comment is pretty much always a safe way to throw shade without tangible statements to defend
 
Mazer said:
This is a thoughtful post. My only caveat would be foxxi asked specifically if we wanted a vanilla game pre-game
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I must have missed that. If I saw that, I would have said no thanks, as I have spent several games on the side or in dead chat and I can't read anyone. Except CWE. :cheers:

Psycho, you got close to talking me out of voting for you.

I have been wrong many times, far more often than not. But more than once I have been talked out of voting for a scum when I have voted for them.

But I also recognize that I will latch on to a theory, and because I thought of it, I don't want to let go until it's proven wrong.

I can't shake the idea that both Val and Grumpy voted for you.
 
3puppies said:
I must have missed that. If I saw that, I would have said no thanks, as I have spent several games on the side or in dead chat and I can't read anyone. Except CWE. :cheers:

Psycho, you got close to talking me out of voting for you.

I have been wrong many times, far more often than not. But more than once I have been talked out of voting for a scum when I have voted for them.

But I also recognize that I will latch on to a theory, and because I thought of it, I don't want to let go until it's proven wrong.

I can't shake the idea that both Val and Grumpy voted for you.
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I don't care if you vote me, but assuming Grumpy or Val had any info when the game is increasingly looking like all vanilla town and neither of them claimed as much...that's faulty logic at best, manipulative at worst
 
1 - Psych: Pups (208),
1 - Pups: Psych (223),

Not currently voting:
MTR, Mazer, CWE, Claws
Day Three ends Wednesday @8pm eastern. With Six living, majority is four.
 
Agree.

Anybody could be voted for right now. There's rationale. Here's how i see the 2 main trains.

For cwe: I've laid out my theory where this could be a tactic similar to what I've seen before. But that's a speculation at best. He could also stop his train at any time.

For 3pups: He's a smart guy, and his stated rationale for psych being based on the votes is spotty.

Also:

Relative to
Psych: Ill also go ahead and say that I have rarely seen him act afraid of a vote when he's been scum. Hes pretty confident that you're going to have to come hard at him, and even then he can usually get off.

Get your mind out of the gutter.

But there is an argument that he could have been more covert in determining if this is a vanilla game. There could have been something there.


For claws:
I didn't love his vote early comment. Hes at least making effort. I need to reread, but my gut says if cwe would be dirty, look to the claw.

For mtr:
I dunno. I would like to see him place a marker down. Mildly scummy vibes. But im not confident. If it was a powers game, id be calling for vetting.
 
having votes on three people at this point not be productive though. guess it makes it harder for scum to jump in and take someone out quickly though.

I have been going back and forth on CWE more than others at this point. I would say I am leaning that direction but just trying to see what others are thinking, I don't want to vote there yet
 
I am worried about getting back on here before EOD and I don't want to screw up and not vote again. So going to go with my gut on this one

Vote: CWE
 
Hes done that before. And Im going to be bad and try to watch while sitting in traffic. In that event, i am comfortable trying a jump to 3p
 
PsychoSoldier said:
You think Claws is more likely to be paired with CWE, if I read you right? Or is there not a specific difference in partners for you?
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To be clear, my earlier claws concern on post re votes is independent of cwe.

As is my read on 3p.

But I thought it was claws who was more into cwe for gc. So Id want to double check, but if I remember correctly claws percentages would then go up.

He could still play that route if cwe is clean, and hes scum. But the correlation is weaker
 
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