Fingers of Suspicion
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Mafia 39 - Ghost Town
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PsychoSoldier
Administrator
Ok, that's good to know. I was kinda wondering how the numbers were working out, because it would mean we have one scum alive and the traitor would have to be dead, if I'm understanding the mechanics right
PsychoSoldier
Administrator
Claws
All-Knowing
Where is this traitor post i srsly dont see it
Mazer
Spirit Breaker
Ive played a few traitor variants. Like in the cwe/caito series, the traitor was known to all parties. Everyone is a strategic player, so i cant even get much off the chalk kills.
I am mildly pinged by mtr in a way.
My hope on cwe was that if I was wrong, he would just tell me.
And then I could have jumped quickly. In the past, ive had no trouble. This time, he was more stubborn than any other time I played for him. And because that begs different question; I need to look up one thing.
Now, mtr was around and could have voted earlier to help force the issue, but did jump on cwe as soon as psych joined in, without expressing concern for the other train or really jumping with rationale other than Lynch.
I'm far from conclusion phase but if there was a different train that was bad.
And it certainly doesn't escape my attention that psych doesn't play with any fear if he just has one vote against him, regardless of alignment.
I am mildly pinged by mtr in a way.
My hope on cwe was that if I was wrong, he would just tell me.
And then I could have jumped quickly. In the past, ive had no trouble. This time, he was more stubborn than any other time I played for him. And because that begs different question; I need to look up one thing.
Now, mtr was around and could have voted earlier to help force the issue, but did jump on cwe as soon as psych joined in, without expressing concern for the other train or really jumping with rationale other than Lynch.
I'm far from conclusion phase but if there was a different train that was bad.
And it certainly doesn't escape my attention that psych doesn't play with any fear if he just has one vote against him, regardless of alignment.
One more long post tonight, I hinted that I had more to share earlier..
Mazer, I have come around to think I should believe you the most. The remaining town has to all agree on someone. I am thinking I find Claws a tiny bit more believable than the others, which would make MTR and Psycho the baddies. But Claws just said something nice about his believing me, and I don't want to be duped because of that.
My big problem with MTR is that his contributions haven't had the substance that the rest of you have. Claws is better this day phase, especially that Foxxi clarified we HAVE to get the right yeet today.
Here goes. Even if we are successful with the yeet tonight, I think I won't survive the night tonight, but this is too important not to share. I hinted enough to Psycho's question about who is or is not vanilla, because I am not vanilla. I am the schizophrenic. I target someone and the results are randomly chosen, from among no result 50%, jailor 25%, alignment cop 20%, or they might be killed 5%. I don't know what I am asking, and only find out in the morning. I have gotten no result before last night, when I targeted Psycho and I was told that he was jailed. There was no kill, so I don't know if I protected him or blocked him. If I blocked him, he was obviously scum. If I protected him, it has to be someone else. So definitely not enough to be 100.
I had no results on anyone else on other nights - I targeted Mazer and MTR, got "Your action provided no results." I have thought about this each night, and didn't want to reveal until I made up my mind, and see who defended him and who sussed him. But the weekend is here and I am not around much tomorrow.
Since I had been pushing Psycho, I am trying to objectively keep the part of me that just wants to feel vindicated away from my decision. I really don't want to feel that we had info that should have been read to take him out, and then to find out he's made fools of us yet again.
Thank you for reminding me that psycho has no fear, and my one vote, or the Grumpy/Val votes on him before they both died, would have meant nothing to how he plays.
But if Psycho is scum, his suggestion that we don't vote today is also really troubling to me. I tried to run the possibilities in my head and it wasn't making sense. His trying to get everyone to reveal their role bugs me, because I would have made myself an even clearer target. A big part of me was telling myself that jailing him saved my life last night, as he had probably figured out I had more than a vanilla role.
I'd like to hear from you and Claws about your thoughts on this. I'd ask MTR but I kind of suspect he'd say anyone but himself, and if I ask Psycho he will simply say I must have protected him. Both are possibilities.
I have re-read his posts and looked at his votes. I am probably missing a lot. I wish there was a bigger group in this game but since we are LYLO, I think I am inclined to suggest we go with Psycho, and hope for the best.
I won't submit my actual vote until tomorrow afternoon
Mazer, I have come around to think I should believe you the most. The remaining town has to all agree on someone. I am thinking I find Claws a tiny bit more believable than the others, which would make MTR and Psycho the baddies. But Claws just said something nice about his believing me, and I don't want to be duped because of that.
My big problem with MTR is that his contributions haven't had the substance that the rest of you have. Claws is better this day phase, especially that Foxxi clarified we HAVE to get the right yeet today.
Here goes. Even if we are successful with the yeet tonight, I think I won't survive the night tonight, but this is too important not to share. I hinted enough to Psycho's question about who is or is not vanilla, because I am not vanilla. I am the schizophrenic. I target someone and the results are randomly chosen, from among no result 50%, jailor 25%, alignment cop 20%, or they might be killed 5%. I don't know what I am asking, and only find out in the morning. I have gotten no result before last night, when I targeted Psycho and I was told that he was jailed. There was no kill, so I don't know if I protected him or blocked him. If I blocked him, he was obviously scum. If I protected him, it has to be someone else. So definitely not enough to be 100.
I had no results on anyone else on other nights - I targeted Mazer and MTR, got "Your action provided no results." I have thought about this each night, and didn't want to reveal until I made up my mind, and see who defended him and who sussed him. But the weekend is here and I am not around much tomorrow.
Since I had been pushing Psycho, I am trying to objectively keep the part of me that just wants to feel vindicated away from my decision. I really don't want to feel that we had info that should have been read to take him out, and then to find out he's made fools of us yet again.
Thank you for reminding me that psycho has no fear, and my one vote, or the Grumpy/Val votes on him before they both died, would have meant nothing to how he plays.
But if Psycho is scum, his suggestion that we don't vote today is also really troubling to me. I tried to run the possibilities in my head and it wasn't making sense. His trying to get everyone to reveal their role bugs me, because I would have made myself an even clearer target. A big part of me was telling myself that jailing him saved my life last night, as he had probably figured out I had more than a vanilla role.
I'd like to hear from you and Claws about your thoughts on this. I'd ask MTR but I kind of suspect he'd say anyone but himself, and if I ask Psycho he will simply say I must have protected him. Both are possibilities.
I have re-read his posts and looked at his votes. I am probably missing a lot. I wish there was a bigger group in this game but since we are LYLO, I think I am inclined to suggest we go with Psycho, and hope for the best.
I won't submit my actual vote until tomorrow afternoon
Mazer
Spirit Breaker
That's significant and im racing through all the possibilities.
So, I know im clean. There's always a possibility this is an elaborate play to get one wrong vote, but let's take 3pups on face value for now.
So scum, would have been choosing 3puppies, me, or someone else for the kill.
In that scenario, id leave me alive. I just started a cwe train. As scum, in a world where I know 3pups is clean, I would have probably killed 3pups, assuming that he had a power role and knowing that several other claimed (did claws claim or no?). But Psych also had a vote on 3pups with no real pushback. In fact, the opposite.
Mtr and claws had suss reactions.
In that world, its an interesting reaction.
Is there a mafia team that would be more likely to kill Psych
If im scum, heading into this scenario im likely killing 3pups or playing for the lowest profile kill i can in order to be one mislynch from victory.
Transparently, I didn't like psych's recommendation either.
With 5 left, knowing we're in an endgame scenario, scum would win with one more clean kill.
So, I know im clean. There's always a possibility this is an elaborate play to get one wrong vote, but let's take 3pups on face value for now.
So scum, would have been choosing 3puppies, me, or someone else for the kill.
In that scenario, id leave me alive. I just started a cwe train. As scum, in a world where I know 3pups is clean, I would have probably killed 3pups, assuming that he had a power role and knowing that several other claimed (did claws claim or no?). But Psych also had a vote on 3pups with no real pushback. In fact, the opposite.
Mtr and claws had suss reactions.
In that world, its an interesting reaction.
Is there a mafia team that would be more likely to kill Psych
If im scum, heading into this scenario im likely killing 3pups or playing for the lowest profile kill i can in order to be one mislynch from victory.
Transparently, I didn't like psych's recommendation either.
With 5 left, knowing we're in an endgame scenario, scum would win with one more clean kill.
Mazer
Spirit Breaker
This i guess is a mild explanation. But also id expect a scum psych to catch foxxi in thread and then still post in thread.
I hold scum psych in the highest regard
Claws
All-Knowing
@PsychoSoldier were you jailed last night like a naughty boy
Psycho has claimed vanilla. If he is not lying would he know?
Mazer
Spirit Breaker
I would assume foxxi would not tell them in advance
MTR
Mastermind
Very true unless you have someone convincing you to no do it.
MTR
Mastermind
I have been wondering this as well.
MTR
Mastermind
I am going to guess it could hit anyone but I could be wrong
MTR
Mastermind
That is a lot to digest as I slept in and still drinking my coffee. Interesting claim at this point in the game. Not sure what to think just yet
Claws
All-Knowing
have i Iceman?
PsychoSoldier
Administrator
I'm vanilla so I don't know. I wasn't told anything
PsychoSoldier
Administrator
My dad's in town so I won't really be able to post much and didn't get to reread stuff like I wanted
If I was jailed by 3pups, unless he's pulling some gambit to get me killed, that probably means he's clean. But that also means if scum wanted to kill me, that they wanted me dead for some reason. Which makes me think my pool of 3pups/Claws/MTR might have been more accurate than I thought
And if 3pups is the one helping prove this, then
Vote: MTR
Gg
If I was jailed by 3pups, unless he's pulling some gambit to get me killed, that probably means he's clean. But that also means if scum wanted to kill me, that they wanted me dead for some reason. Which makes me think my pool of 3pups/Claws/MTR might have been more accurate than I thought
And if 3pups is the one helping prove this, then
Vote: MTR
Gg
PsychoSoldier
Administrator
I want to give Claws the benefit of the doubt, but MTR has felt very much lacking even for his usual style, and I think what Mazer said about the way he voted CWE after I voted there without actually giving any of his "weighed options" feels like he was just getting in where he could when he had an excuse
PsychoSoldier
Administrator
Blind Ninja
Mastermind
GrumpyCat
Mastermind
I got that plug marked for death.
I will always trust CWE. I threw out the idea of his being restricted because I wanted to softly add to the confusion. When he was yeeted and I didn't have to hammer - although I was prepared to - it presented an opportunity. First, it showed that Foxxi did not have an all-vanilla team - making my point about Pyscho trying to get folks to reveal their roles all the more suss. Second, I didn't (and still dont) understand why the kill attempt on Psycho did not go through. But everyone else had claimed vanilla town, so it would be sus if they claimed to have blocked.
So I came up with the idea of fake claiming jailor or JOAT. Looking up those roles, I saw the schizophrenic role and thought that would be more plausible for Foxxi to put in a game like this - leave a lot of it to chance. But MTR and I were both goons.
Good game by my partner MTR as well. I felt he was playing the same way he usually does, especially when there's not a fellow house member. And he talked me out of fake claiming cop the day before.
Psycho really had me worried. The only thing I could think to do about him was point out how in a prior game he'd talked himself out of a yeet when there was reason to sus him.
I appreciate the acknowledgement from Mazer. I figured I needed to be sus on him like he reminded me that I always am. It was only late last night I realized that town me would have to trust someone, so backing off of him late, and asking for his advice may have pocketed him.
Foxxi, thanks for hosting. This would have been really difficult for an almost all vanilla team. Two questions, if I may.
1. why did Psycho not die the night before? Did he have a BPV? Or were the kills partially randomized?
2. Did Grumpy know both MTR and I were bad boys, or did he know only one?
Mazer
Spirit Breaker
Kill went through
GrumpyCat
Mastermind
Psycho Schizo and a Motion detector - the game.
I was worried that going for Matt and Val kills while leaving Psych Mazer and Claws in game will bite you in long run. But it worked, well played.
Foxxi
Administrator
This is why psych didn't die. Random BPV
Sorry to hear this. Did this mess up your coaching?
Mazer claimed vanilla. What role did you have other than traitor, to find this out?
Another question for Foxxi - why did CWE's flip also include a role, not just alignment?
We chose Matt and Val because both seemed less likely to contribute anything as a ghost. They usually do not comment much in dead chat, so I thought it meant they'd check out. We left Mazer because the longer he lives, the more suspicious I was planning to throw at him because he's usually an early target. Later, I had convinced myself, and I think I convinced MTR, that Mazer might have been the traitor.
CWE
Godfather
It was a restriction.
MY restriction.
And when people were discussing being VT...I posted...
...which means...IM A TI.
Foxxi
Administrator
Because that's what the roles were. Town, and Town Motion Detector. It was never meant to imply alignment only flips though, so perhaps I should have added the "vanilla" - just lax on my part
PsychoSoldier
Administrator
Well, even though this was a weak game for me, my track record was actually pretty strong. I wish I hadn't let Mazer talk me into voting CWE, but I wanted to make sure we got a lynch and didn't trust that people would actually pony up on 3pups.
GG to Pups and MTR. The jail claim was pretty brilliant since I had no way to prove it one way or another, and once I saw a power role flip it kind of threw me for a loop in general
Thanks for the game, Foxxi. Even though I wasn't around too much, I did have a fun time
GG to Pups and MTR. The jail claim was pretty brilliant since I had no way to prove it one way or another, and once I saw a power role flip it kind of threw me for a loop in general
Thanks for the game, Foxxi. Even though I wasn't around too much, I did have a fun time
Foxxi
Administrator
Marked for death. Didn't have an extra kill N1 because the mafia killed the marked target
Foxxi
Administrator
It was totally said XD
Mazer
Spirit Breaker
Yeah, but fortunately the AC is awesome. Got it back and was able to make the later games. I did catch my son, score his first goal in quite a while. He's 8, and after he scored he was thrilled and yelled "FINALLY!". Good moment.
Mazer
Spirit Breaker
Well, that's fair.
MTR
Mastermind
I was wondering about that. Figures
MTR
Mastermind
With ghosts being able to talk at night they probably keep solving anyway so might as well leave them for a bit.
MTR
Mastermind
Interesting. Another thing I was kind of wondering about.
MTR
Mastermind
Town me would have been frustrated but let him live. Just used it as an excuse when I voted him.
