Mafia 12 - 99 Friends Halloviolina Heist

[VoidKitten]

If Rock is town, he is already winning worst town 2024. Good job buddy.

 

[rock meets hard place]

im going to go lurk off my pressure-voidkitten 2024

 

[VoidKitten]

It’s funny that if I had stayed on Rock, Vesper would have died and y’all seem to be cool with that. Damn me for swapping my vote. I’m awful.

 

[rock meets hard place]

If Rock is town, he is already winning worst town 2024. Good job buddy.

kinda rude but you aren't exactly town so...

 

[VoidKitten]

im going to go lurk off my pressure-voidkitten 2024

Lmao. Psycho talked you up so much and im sorely disappointed this game.

 

[rock meets hard place]

also keep in mind Vesper wanted to despertly stay alive for a day. hello 1x mass roleblocker.

 

[rock meets hard place]

i never knew psych thought that way about me

 

[VoidKitten]

also keep in mind Vesper wanted to despertly stay alive for a day. hello 1x mass roleblocker.

That actually isn’t a bad thought. To be fair I haven’t read Vesper to make an opinion on them wanting or not.

We aren’t teamed. So don’t base your reads on that as my flip changes it regardless. Think im scum if you want but it ain’t me.

 

[rock meets hard place]

It’s funny that if I had stayed on Rock, Vesper would have died

there was only a 33% chance she would have died. you are acting like it was 100%, Stop being so manipulative.

 

[VoidKitten]

i never knew psych thought that way about me

Yeah when you first came around he was excited to have you and said good things about your play and what you’d bring to us.

He’s been right. Not this game, if you’re town.

 

[rock meets hard place]

Why aren't you voting me?

 

[VoidKitten]

there was only a 33% chance she would have died. you are acting like it was 100%, Stop being so manipulative.

Why are you assuming the dice would be diffferent. It was rolled. You can’t pretend her roll would have been different lol. The game resulted in death. Point blank.

 

[VoidKitten]

Why aren't you voting me?

Why do I need to? I’ve made my thoughts clear. Spin it how you want. Again if you’re town you are really not thinking things through and are tunneling without a care because “im right and VK is scum”

 

[rock meets hard place]

That is really really not how probability works

 

[VoidKitten]

That is really really not how probability works

You are just wrong. You have to compare two things. The dice roll was death. Trying to say “oh but vesper may have lived” is just a fallacy in comparison.

 

[rock meets hard place]

im assuming that THEY rolled the dice, and thus Vesper might not have gotten a 6 or a 4 but it could just been a mod roll.

 

[rock meets hard place]

I'm fully gung-ho on Rock btw today.

but not gung ho enough to take initiative.

 

[VoidKitten]

im assuming that THEY rolled the dice, and thus Vesper might not have gotten a 6 or a 4 but it could just been a mod roll.

I agree that the result could be different based on who rolls. But no matter what that can’t have been a thought because it would have just been one roll. All we have to go on is what was revealed as the official roll. If Vesper was up she’d have died based on what happened regardless of mod or Lora roll.

I get the want to take that into account but it is not a valid comparison between Lora and Vesper and what happened is all.

 

[MTR]

Ugh. Lost the doctor and mass role block.

I hate mass role block night one. Then basically day 2 ends up a lot like day 1. Not always but a lot. Granted this is what scum want so kudos to them I guess even though we did get one of them with the roll of the dice at the end of day 1.

 

[VoidKitten]

but not gung ho enough to take initiative.

Oh no. I’m scum because I didn’t vote in the first two hours of the game. Oh noooo

 

[VoidKitten]

I’m still waiting on a real reason im scum other than Rocks fever dream of what he thinks could happen because “his reads are accurate of VK”

 

[VoidKitten]

Not even mentioning my role as scum outing obviously what my role can do is also silly and im kinda hurt that as “awesome scum” id do that

 

[VoidKitten]

Also if that gets me modkilled lmfao

 

[VoidKitten]

Seeing as the moment I do the thing, the thing is obvious that it’s a thing.

 

[Blind Ninja]

Why are you assuming the dice would be diffferent. It was rolled. You can’t pretend her roll would have been different lol. The game resulted in death. Point blank.

How can you say the roll would have been the same? Please, roll 1d6 and tell me how many times it comes up 3/6

While I agree, this time it resulted in death, doesnt mean every other roll would also have resulted in death.

 

[VoidKitten]

How can you say the roll would have been the same? Please, roll 1d6 and tell me how many times it comes up 3/6

While I agree, this time it resulted in death, doesnt mean every other roll would also have resulted in death.

Wow. You all suck at comparisons of things. I can’t tell if it’s a coordinated scum effort or people just really don’t know how to compare things.

 

[VoidKitten]

“Let’s pretend if Vesper rolled woulda been fine. She’d totally have lived”

 

[rock meets hard place]

while I'm not sure about this site, doublevoter can be both a town and a scum role. So you being an outted dv is null so it's kinda odd that you are complaining about it.

one thing that does strike me as funny though is that in the game where I was scum we had a mass roleblock and a role that made people a double voter

 

[VoidKitten]

I promised Badger I wouldn’t get mad this game and im failing xD

Well that was more I wouldn’t be mad at dying. I actually think I’d have preferred that over trying to make people see reason in logical comparisons. Dang.

 

[Blind Ninja]

Wow. You all suck at comparisons of things. I can’t tell if it’s a coordinated scum effort or people just really don’t know how to compare things.

Seriously... it was a game of chance.

It it was Vesper and it was the same result... yeah it would have been death. But you cant say that with 100% accuracy that vesper would have died if they had won the vote.

You are looking at this very narrow minded. I get not wanting to put a new player in harms way on N1. I get that. But you cant say that the result would have been the same.

 

[VoidKitten]

while I'm not sure about this site, doublevoter can be both a town and a scum role. So you being an outted dv is null so it's kinda odd that you are complaining about it.

one thing that does strike me as funny though is that in the game where I was scum we had a mass roleblock and a role that made people a double voter

I’m saying it can be both but if I was a scum DV why would i need to out it so obviously. I dunno. I’d like to think I’d have saved it than just a vote on Rock to express my displeasure

 

[VoidKitten]

Seriously... it was a game of chance.

It it was Vesper and it was the same result... yeah it would have been death. But you cant say that with 100% accuracy that vesper would have died if they had won the vote.

You are looking at this very narrow minded. I get not wanting to put a new player in harms way on N1. I get that. But you cant say that the result would have been the same.

The roll was death. That’s what it was. That’s what happened. It was most likely a mod roll. But even if it wasn’t adding the random chance back in does not compare both accurately. The mod says it was death. It’s death.

 

[Blind Ninja]

I promised Badger I wouldn’t get mad this game and im failing xD

Well that was more I wouldn’t be mad at dying. I actually think I’d have preferred that over trying to make people see reason in logical comparisons. Dang.

Would be 1 thing if your argument was completely logical, but you still are skipping that fact that RNG is that, random. Vesper could have had 3D immunity, or it could have gone sleep.

 

[VoidKitten]

Oh well that may actually be a modkill on me now. Ah well

 

[VoidKitten]

If it is sorry town and gl lmao

 

[Blind Ninja]

The roll was death. That’s what it was. That’s what happened. It was most likely a mod roll. But even if it wasn’t adding the random chance back in does not compare both accurately. The mod says it was death. It’s death.

Do you know it was a mod roll? How does someone winning the chance at a dice game = mod roll to you?

 

[VoidKitten]

And well played Rock if you’re scum.

 

[VoidKitten]

Do you know it was a mod roll? How does someone winning the chance at a dice game = mod roll to you?

I am confident in my thoughts.

 

[VoidKitten]

Just in case I am modkilled.

Not scum as you’ll see. Rock may actually not be scum. Claws and Jarrod were more opportunistic. Rock is actually talking to me even though I was a dick.

 

[Jarrod1983]

I’m still waiting on a real reason im scum other than Rocks fever dream of what he thinks could happen because “his reads are accurate of VK”

I think the original reason was you pushing the tide to Lora because you were sure about them or however you framed it was the reason you look scummy. Then saying after the fact you meant it as Lora was scum was another reason. I think it definitely could be viewed as scum hoping to get a prize but got caught with their hand in the cookie jar.

No way there isn't at least one more scum voting Lora to help get that prize. Your double vote was pretty convenient there.

 

[VoidKitten]

I think the original reason was you pushing the tide to Lora because you were sure about them or however you framed it was the reason you look scummy. Then saying after the fact you meant it as Lora was scum was another reason. I think it definitely could be viewed as scum hoping to get a prize but got caught with their hand in the cookie jar.

No way there isn't at least one more scum voting Lora to help get that prize. Your double vote was pretty convenient there.

*yawn*

 

[rock meets hard place]

that makes no sense, dv is passive. I mean, its possible that you are my duplicate of my role and you give out a second vote but my role wasn't 1x. is that why you aren't voting me, so we can't see your 2x vote? or did you give it to someone else last night?

 

[VoidKitten]

that makes no sense, dv is passive. I mean, its possible that you are my duplicate of my role and you give out a second vote but my role wasn't 1x. is that why you aren't voting me, so we can't see your 2x vote? or did you give it to someone else last night?

I’m saying I could have not voted and potentially made it seem like it was given to me versus making my role obvious early.

 

[Jarrod1983]

Just in case I am modkilled.

Not scum as you’ll see. Rock may actually not be scum. Claws and Jarrod were more opportunistic. Rock is actually talking to me even though I was a dick.

Claws yes. Me not so much. I'm just following what has happened so far. I think it looks poorly and I'm looking at it. How is that opportunistic?

 

[VoidKitten]

*if I were scum

 

[VoidKitten]

Claws yes. Me not so much. I'm just following what has happened so far. I think it looks poorly and I'm looking at it. How is that opportunistic?

You are mostly saying what Rock is. And saying the main reason you distrust me is im good at scum. It’s opportunistic.

If rock is scum maybe less so since I doubt im important enough for multiple scum to push me.

 

[Jarrod1983]

Either way you might not be scum Void but I still think the way it played out there is at least one more scum voting Lora.

 

[rock meets hard place]

i think Jarrod is town, and you Vesper and maybe Grumpy are scum

 

[VoidKitten]

i think Jarrod is town, and you Vesper and maybe Grumpy are scum

Not scum and if Vesper is scum only because im scum I’d double check before yeeting it

 

[VoidKitten]

Though your point about not wanting to die can stand. I can also see it as a new player. Inthink this is her first Mafia game ever? I remember Tildey saying she was shown the game and agreed to play.

 

[rock meets hard place]

I mean, Lora was self-voting so void + lora=2 scum. I was going to say that I'm not completely sold on there being a 3rd scum voting Lora )unless you meant 2 as in Lora) but lemme reread grumpy

 

[Jarrod1983]

You are mostly saying what Rock is. And saying the main reason you distrust me is im good at scum. It’s opportunistic.

If rock is scum maybe less so since I doubt im important enough for multiple scum to push me.

I pretty much had similar thoughts, that's not my fault.

And to be technical I was the first person to point the finger at you. Town or scum, I'll own that so not really just repeating what Rock is saying.

The fact we posted similar thoughts at the same time makes me have good town thoughts on him.

 

[VoidKitten]

I can’t even.

 

[VoidKitten]

That was to rock. Not Jarrod.

 

[VoidKitten]

I pretty much had similar thoughts, that's not my fault.

And to be technical I was the first person to point the finger at you. Town or scum, I'll own that so not really just repeating what Rock is saying.

The fact we posted similar thoughts at the same time makes me have good town thoughts on him.

I don’t hate this as much as I want to. I dunno. Me posting that post really fucked with my train of thought.

 

[Jarrod1983]

Good thoughts on Rock to be clear.

 

[VoidKitten]

Either way I’ll be resolved tomorrow morning unless Badger takes pity on me since my shit is obvious anyway xD.

If he leaves me alive, sure feel free to keep sussing me wrongly Rock. If you’re town im really sad. If you’re scum beautiful play. Beautiful. You actually would be the first person to make me mildly worry about a misyeet.

 

[VoidKitten]

I think both Jarrod and Rock jumped to conclusions because they didn’t consider death to be an option. I was expecting it to have death as I clearly said from the start of the game.

Though for it to make full sense Lora me and Vesper would all need to be scum which means im not a good scum player as I outed people on my team and was obvious.

Who am I, Claws? <3

 

[Jarrod1983]

Either way I’ll be resolved tomorrow morning unless Badger takes pity on me since my shit is obvious anyway xD.

If he leaves me alive, sure feel free to keep sussing me wrongly Rock. If you’re town im really sad. If you’re scum beautiful play. Beautiful. You actually would be the first person to make me mildly worry about a misyeet.

I missed whatever you're referring to so hopefully just a bigger deal in your brain than anything.

 

[VoidKitten]

If im alive tomorrow morning I’ll read some people and give thoughts. If im dead ah well. I am not going to do that tonight. Or don’t plant to.

 

[rock meets hard place]

you're not going to get modkilled, this is just ate

 

[VoidKitten]

I missed whatever you're referring to so hopefully just a bigger deal in your brain than anything.

We shall see. I think it was blatant

 

[Jarrod1983]

I think both Jarrod and Rock jumped to conclusions because they didn’t consider death to be an option. I was expecting it to have death as I clearly said from the start of the game.

Though for it to make full sense Lora me and Vesper would all need to be scum which means im not a good scum player as I outed people on my team and was obvious.

Who am I, Claws? <3

That is how I play mafia. My jump to conclusions mat.

 

[VoidKitten]

you're not going to get modkilled, this is just ate

I’d be killed as town or scum unless he is being nice to my role since it’s obvious.

I claimed and wasn’t ambiguous like I try to.

Fun fact I claimed my character too somewhere legally. Not gonna tell you and none of y’all will find it. But when I flip maybe xD

 

[Val the Moofia Boss]

also keep in mind Vesper wanted to despertly stay alive for a day. hello 1x mass roleblocker.

That's just newb psychology, probably not used to dying in mafia games and shrugging it off yet.

 

[rock meets hard place]

Its not Abbi's law if it is for a reward right? ;p

is this scum worried?

Whitch one is that? one that we yeet VK or the one that i shoot rock in a face?

if VK is scum its interesting to me that he's pushing a scum-town false dichotomy

Oh noes CWE what happened, what did you trade your luck for?
I see there is a new winner candidate. Sorry vespie but special rules dont let me vote for you today.
But you know, begginers luck. Take my energy and smash that piniata, there is welcome to FoS reward in there.

if vesper is scum then I think it's interesting that he's unwilling to vote her.

I think thats quite hopeless. There are like 8 scum in this game I guess and they can just yolo and have one of their own snatch a prize.
But if you want sure. let me know.

tmi?

 

[VoidKitten]

How is Rock gonna accept Abbis law this game and I “think” yelled at me for in the last game I played. That may have been someone else.

 

[VoidKitten]

I do think Abbi’s law did apply to the last bonus one

 

[rock meets hard place]

I can’t even.

I also find this to be a weird reaction to me pushing a potential vk, vesper, grumpy team

 

[VoidKitten]

I still can’t even.

 

[Jarrod1983]

I still can’t even.

Have you tried?

 

[VoidKitten]

Have you tried?

All of my evens can’t.

 

[Jarrod1983]

All of my evens can’t.

What about your odds?

 

[VoidKitten]

What about your odds?

My odds are on vacation.

Except the odds there’s probably at least a scum in Rock, BN, Jarrod, Claws.

 

[rock meets hard place]

How is Rock gonna accept Abbis law this game and I “think” yelled at me for in the last game I played. That may have been someone else.

abbi's law is still a fallacy. not every group of 4 will have scum. it's impossible. In a smallish game, there is a good chance that it happens and when I learned mafia we have a sorta version of abbis law in which the 3rd vote on a wagon is prob scum. my post wasn't saying that I accepted it, its that this site does use is and I'm asking if his asking about it is scum being scarred of abbis law.

 

[VoidKitten]

abbi's law is still a fallacy. not every group of 4 will have scum. it's impossible. In a smallish game, there is a good chance that it happens and when I learned mafia we have a sorta version of abbis law in which the 3rd vote on a wagon is prob scum. my post wasn't saying that I accepted it, its that this site does use is and I'm asking if his asking about it is scum being scarred of abbis law.

Right but I know someone said that Abbis law shouldn’t be used because of this fallacy. I know Xan did but I thought you did too. I can check I guess and apologize if wrong.

It was when we trolled Future about it because he did the same thing as the towniest town to ever town.

 

[rock meets hard place]

Except the odds there’s probably at least a scum in Rock, BN, Jarrod, Claws.

everyone that thinks im scum (i think only me and claws really do) is scum. this is your classic scum pushback.

 

[Jarrod1983]

My odds are on vacation.

Except the odds there’s probably at least a scum in Rock, BN, Jarrod, Claws.

Well I'm not scum but time will tell on the others.

 

[VoidKitten]

I also wasn’t expecting what looks like a larger post about that on my phone. Almost wanna say it was an over explanation xD.

 

[rock meets hard place]

I've called it a fallacy before, if thats what you are referring to.

 

[VoidKitten]

everyone that thinks im scum (i think only me and claws really do) is scum. this is your classic scum pushback.

I play this way every game. And I don’t think I’ve been wrong yet. I have not been misyeeted in 3 years. People who tent to push me or shade me, especially if more than one usually has a scum somewhere in there.

This i say all the time in games so I know others have seen this.

 

[rock meets hard place]

What are your reads on the non VK pushers?

 

[VoidKitten]

And maybe all four of them are town and this is actually just purely OMGUS.

But Claws literally doing nothing this game gives me heebie jeebies. But by Claws law means he possibly town. Literally nothing though.

BN coming in and not doing his normal go through posts and reply and going right to one of my last posts to argue the same exact thing everyone else did is bothersome.

Rock I keep going back and forth on. I like the continued discourse. I dislike the insistence im scum. But that may be more towny than not.

Jarrod feels the best of them all with the recent ones (still iffy with Rock and him saying similar things but coincidences do happen). One other dislike is that he showed a stark contrast to Rock and jumped off of me quickly leaning me more town because of my faux pas. Its accurate but the contrast makes me wonder.

 

[VoidKitten]

What are your reads on the non VK pushers?

I’m not about to read everyone right now in ISO. If you want my thoughts on anyone in particular I’ll look at them quickly.

I’ll do more if alive. I get its counter productive as I should get my thoughts out just in case pity is not taken in me but I don’t really want to get on my laptop and read 15 people rn

 

[Blind Ninja]

I play this way every game. And I don’t think I’ve been wrong yet. I have not been misyeeted in 3 years. People who tent to push me or shade me, especially if more than one usually has a scum somewhere in there.

This i say all the time in games so I know others have seen this.

Its cute...

Not really pushing you. I pointed out you werent thinking 100$ logically. No way to say without a shadow of doubt that the result would have been the same had someone else "won" the dice game.

I actually think you and rock are tvt, based on the conversation. I think scum is just sitting back and letting town self destruct between 2 headstrong people..

 

[Blind Ninja]

BN coming in and not doing his normal go through posts and reply and going right to one of my last posts to argue the same exact thing everyone else did is bothersome.

This is fair. Been half keeping up with this conversation while doing other things. Just felt like adding at certain points.

 

[rock meets hard place]

If you want my thoughts on anyone in particular I’ll look at them quickly.

what do you think about Grumpycat and val?

 

[VoidKitten]

Its cute...

Not really pushing you. I pointed out you werent thinking 100$ logically. No way to say without a shadow of doubt that the result would have been the same had someone else "won" the dice game.

I actually think you and rock are tvt, based on the conversation. I think scum is just sitting back and letting town self destruct between 2 headstrong people..

You are not wrong that it COULD be different but only if Lora rolled.

With a Badger roll it wouldn’t matter.

Ultimately for comparing who is a better choice you cannot take into account the unknown because maybe if Lora just refreshed his browser a different roll would have happened, assuming he rolled.

The game resulted in death so whomever was voted up we have to assume is dead. Now im not suggesting the trains will tell us much. Because it was unknown its a crap shoot on reasons why people voted for someone.

I was just lucky in guessing the negatives would include death. Possibly because most of my D1 events include death. And the fact Lora was actually scum even better.

 

[VoidKitten]

what do you think about Grumpycat and val?

Gimme a few.

 

[rock meets hard place]

I actually think you and rock are tvt, based on the conversation. I think scum is just sitting back and letting town self destruct between 2 headstrong people..

Other than me thinking that you are wrong on void, I don't think this is an accurate picture, most people are not on and only a few people have game in and made a post or 2. So unless you are accusing like MTR and Diva as scum then I don't think you can really say this.

 

[VoidKitten]

Before I dig into them, I just need to get this off my chest.

Dear future game moderators, yall need to do confirmations in the signup thread and not game thread.

ISO bringing up pre game posts is awful and should feel bad.

 

[Blind Ninja]

You are not wrong that it COULD be different but only if Lora rolled.

With a Badger roll it wouldn’t matter.

Ultimately for comparing who is a better choice you cannot take into account the unknown because maybe if Lora just refreshed his browser a different roll would have happened, assuming he rolled.

The game resulted in death so whomever was voted up we have to assume is dead. Now im not suggesting the trains will tell us much. Because it was unknown its a crap shoot on reasons why people voted for someone.

I was just lucky in guessing the negatives would include death. Possibly because most of my D1 events include death. And the fact Lora was actually scum even better.

This it what im talking about.... Different person, different roll... Sure, the roll that occurred, resulted in death. That doesnt mean any other roll would have. I also dont think a "winner" would result in a mod roll.

I figured the "bad" could be as extreme as death. If 3d immunity was on the table as others thought, why would death not be there. I personally didnt think it would be as narrow as 33% for immunity, nothing, death.

 

[VoidKitten]

Other than me thinking that you are wrong on void, I don't think this is an accurate picture, most people are not on and only a few people have game in and made a post or 2. So unless you are accusing like MTR and Diva as scum then I don't think you can really say this.

I actually don't dislike this post.

 

[Blind Ninja]

Other than me thinking that you are wrong on void, I don't think this is an accurate picture, most people are not on and only a few people have game in and made a post or 2. So unless you are accusing like MTR and Diva as scum then I don't think you can really say this.

Please stop putting words or thoughts onto people... It does make you look manipulating.

I said based on the convo you 2 are having, it looks to be tvt. Nothing more or less. Nothing about others that havent added to the conversation.

 

[VoidKitten]

This it what im talking about.... Different person, different roll... Sure, the roll that occurred, resulted in death. That doesnt mean any other roll would have. I also dont think a "winner" would result in a mod roll.

I figured the "bad" could be as extreme as death. If 3d immunity was on the table as others thought, why would death not be there. I personally didnt think it would be as narrow as 33% for immunity, nothing, death.

I assumed death would be at least 1 option. A small chance. Not 1/3. Though Badger literally did tell us that (well hinted obviously)

Yes, I agree overall it COULD have resulted different. But for our purposes in this game, that does not matter. Especially since it was a computer that rolled it and not a human.

 

[Blind Ninja]

I assumed death would be at least 1 option. A small chance. Not 1/3. Though Badger literally did tell us that (well hinted obviously)

Yes, I agree overall it COULD have resulted different. But for our purposes in this game, that does not matter. Especially since it was a computer that rolled it and not a human

Sure a computer rolled, not said individual... but doesnt mean the roll would be the same.

I get that this result was death, but you cant just assume that anyone who "won" would have died.

 

[VoidKitten]

Val's ISO is short, but it isn't anything out of the ordinary.

I do like how he actually commented that a scum died, even if it was just neat, while the rest of the convo was going on.

He also thinks Vesper should be kept alive (he is old school with that rule like me). This part is NAI. I think he'd do it as both.

Ultimately, I don't hate Val. I don't love Val. Not a whole lot of opinion here, but its 8 posts, two of them votes.

 

[VoidKitten]

Sure a computer rolled, not said individual... but doesnt mean the roll would be the same.

I get that this result was death, but you cant just assume that anyone who "won" would have died.

The roll is death. It's death. For OUR purposes in this game, its death. There is no other option.

COULD it have been different. Absolutely. That matters not.

 

[rock meets hard place]

Please stop putting words or thoughts onto people... It does make you look manipulating.

I said based on the convo you 2 are having, it looks to be tvt. Nothing more or less. Nothing about others that havent added to the conversation.

my guy, you defiantly said that you felt like scum were hanging back and letting me and void go at it and then I countered with thats not really how this is playing out. most ppl aren't on and haven't commented so the only people that fit that accusation would be like MTR and Diva and grumpy

 

[rock meets hard place]

listo, val, tidly and drey too. So between those 7 who are the scum that are hanging back?