Mafia 19 - Cult of the Fox

[llettuce]

Sigh

Very standard tho lmao

 

[GrumpyCat]

No role flips. There are clear alignment flips.

So Badgers role wasnt the fox it still in writeup.

 

[VoidKitten]

So Badgers role wasnt the fox it still in writeup.

Writeup said was a lieutenant of the Fox, so no. He wasn't the cult leader.

Which I feel like that person is fucking obvious.

 

[GrumpyCat]

Its Foxxi because it is her tribute game and those have a role specially asigned?

 

[GrumpyCat]

I dont have a super strong scum read on her ;p

 

[VoidKitten]

Its Foxxi because it is her tribute game and those have a role specially asigned?

Yep. That's my theory. It's the fact its Claws making the game and some other things I am gleaning.

 

[Foxxi]

I dont have a super strong scum read on her ;p

Careful, they may realize I recruited you.

 

[VoidKitten]

I dont have a super strong scum read on her ;p

It's interesting. Badger was half defending her by telling me not to vote her before he came after me saying she and I were aligned.

He kept saying that she seems to calm and unworried about being yeeted.

 

[VoidKitten]

Careful, they may realize I recruited you.

How you gonna post that just as I accused Badger of defending you?

 

[llettuce]

Yep. That's my theory. It's the fact its Claws making the game and some other things I am gleaning.

That seems like a risky strat for a cultists, tho I would guess if it's the case she has some protections which would also make sense with her nonchalance on getting yeeted

 

[llettuce]

Also been thinking about if/what claws vote conditions might be

I'm not sure it matters but maybe worthwhile to consider as the game goes on

 

[VoidKitten]

That seems like a risky strat for a cultists, tho I would guess if it's the case she has some protections which would also make sense with her nonchalance on getting yeeted

I 100% believe she has some form of protections. I am just not sure what the protections specifically entail.

 

[VoidKitten]

Also been thinking about if/what claws vote conditions might be

I'm not sure it matters but maybe worthwhile to consider as the game goes on

He's bleeding and was healed, but still bleeding. I think we may not have to worry about him. Or he will turn into an SK and kill us all.

I'm actually okay with the latter lmao.

 

[llettuce]

He's bleeding and was healed, but still bleeding. I think we may not have to worry about him. Or he will turn into an SK and kill us all.

I'm actually okay with the latter lmao.

Not sure I'm ready to write it off, but also I can wait until tomorrow for too much thought

 

[Claws]

And then not allowing anyone to actually use a gun would be even more so claws

 

[VoidKitten]

Not sure I'm ready to write it off, but also I can wait until tomorrow for too much thought

This is more what I'm saying. I am not really concentrating on it unless I feel we need to. It can wait.

 

[MTR]

No role flips. There are clear alignment flips.

Yeah. Either way still sucks.

 

[Claws]

Yeah. Either way still sucks.

I could take that away too you prefer

 

[Matthieu]

I am wondering how many vigilantes are out and about, and how many kill attempts each may have? Replacing bullets with blanks kind of felt like a roleblock, but allowing reloading of the bullets makes me think a shot wasn't used, or at least they still have another shot?

I am guessing there are a LOT of vigilantes, perhaps even a majority of the players?

I read Badger as scum and was convinced he was even when there was no flip. He seems to get a LOT angrier when he's falsely accused. And I don't mean this to be disrespectful of the work he's done in his real-life to deal with what he's been going through. While I got on board early on his train, and even as others followed, I didn't sense Badger's reaction as a terribly angry falsely accused town.

What is interesting to me are the players who avoided the Badger train.

Foxxi - 5 (Grumpy 155, LDG 389, Badger 425, matthieu428,(Val 531)
LDG - 1 (MitchRapp 44)
Jarrod - 1 (CWE 441)

Not voting: Lettuce, Mazer

Grumpy, Mitch, and LDG I can give a pass, as those votes were cast well before Badger's train was seriously taking off. Matthieu and Val, on the other hand, could have been seen as trying to protect a teammate. Same with llettuce and Mazer.

Vote: matthieu

Going with POE to someone I see as more likely than some of the others

...?

Not that I want you to vote for Val but I find it weird that you're choosing to cast a vote on me when I clearly explained my reasoning for my D1 vote and Val has come in with a vote to sleep in a cult game on D2.

 

[MTR]

I could take that away too you prefer

 

[Matthieu]

It just reeks of you showing up to cast a vote and be 'seen', especially since you only have five posts and up until this day phase were the second lowest poster after Llettuce who only had one post prior to this day phase. To Llettuce's credit that has now changed, we'll see if it's the case with you, I guess.

 

[Claws]

Vote: foxxi

Cuz why not its d2

 

[Matthieu]

Unvote: Llettuce
Vote: 3puppies

 

[llettuce]

...?

Not that I want you to vote for Val but I find it weird that you're choosing to cast a vote on me when I clearly explained my reasoning for my D1 vote and Val has come in with a vote to sleep in a cult game on D2.

Why don't you want a vote on Val? Is there something that isn't sus there? Really hasn't made me feel good this phase

 

[llettuce]

Vote: foxxi

Cuz why not its d2

Its like hes mocking me

 

[Matthieu]

Why don't you want a vote on Val? Is there something that isn't sus there? Really hasn't made me feel good this phase

Other people are free to vote on him, I just never vote on him myself.

 

[Matthieu]

I'm only calling attention to it because 3puppies implied it was between myself and Val but Val's vote this day phase is counterproductive and at no point did 3puppies acknowledge my stated reasons for voting the way I did on D1 which strikes me as strange, especially since he's trying to spin a narrative of me defending Badger which...I did not do.

 

[GrumpyCat]

Cult likely started with 2 or 3 if we are going with how throne of lies goes.

As dusk broke over the tranquil wilderness, Claws slipped away into the mist, leaving behind disoriented cultists and an infuriated fox

After badger died there were cultists (2+) and a fox. Had to be 4 at least no?

 

[GrumpyCat]

MTR wanted to be recruited and thats such a furry cult they might just get along.

Sorry I thik you could be a cultist now ;<

Vote: MTR

 

[VoidKitten]

After badger died there were cultists (2+) and a fox. Had to be 4 at least no?

That's actually a really good catch.

 

[GrumpyCat]

Yeah its a big ass cult that just let Badger die. For lulz i guess.

 

[GrumpyCat]

Could be like matt val robo i could see the world.

But Robo is wooly. Doesnt sound right.

 

[GrumpyCat]

Or its just so easy as Foxxi. I mean she is standing right here. Grinning.

 

[Foxxi]

 

[MTR]

MTR wanted to be recruited and thats such a furry cult they might just get along.

Sorry I thik you could be a cultist now ;<

Vote: MTR

I was not recruited. :( People don't like me anymore.

 

[GrumpyCat]

So you gonna get VK now ;/ He cant be unrecruited twice for sure.

Do you want a vote Void? Town strong forever?

 

[GrumpyCat]

I was not recruited. :( People don't like me anymore.

Ok I believe you.

Unvote:

 

[Val the Moofia Boss]

Vote: GrumpyCat

 

[llettuce]

Where's that video from insaner

 

[GrumpyCat]

Vote: GrumpyCat

Need to find other way to save vk.

Vote: Val

 

[GrumpyCat]

 

[Blind Ninja]

Vote: VoidKitten

Why?

 

[Claws]

Vote Count:

Foxxi - 2 (VK 645, Claws 722)
Val - 2 (BN 675, Grumpycat 740)
Vk - 1 (Ldg 688)
Matthieu - 1 (3pup 690)
3pups - 1 Matthieu 723)
Grumpycat - 1 (Val 738)

Not voting: Foxxi, MTR, Robozerim, CWE, Listo95, Lettuce, MitchRapp, Jarrod1983, Mazer

with 17 alive Majority is 9

Day ends june 22 @ 7pm est

 

[Claws]

grrr

 

[Blind Ninja]

Vote: GrumpyCat

Why?

 

[Blind Ninja]

Love the people out here with no substance

 

[3puppies]

@Blind Ninja I am inclined to trust you at this point, if for no other reason than you started the train on Badger. I very much doubt you would have done that if you were teammates with him.

What do you think of Val, Mazer, Matthieu, llettuce, Foxxi or CWE ?

I don't feel strongly about Matthieu but I voted him only for his avoidance of the Badger train. He's given me an OMGUS vote, saying I didn't listen to why he voted Foxxi, which is probably fair of him if he was town.

Foxxi is difficult to read - her commentary could easily be interpreted either way, but we all know she's a remarkably skilled player, who knows she's usually an early target.

 

[Foxxi]

Yup. Everyone should just trust BN forever now since he helped yeet badger. No way that'll bite anyone in the ass.

 

[Foxxi]

I've decided I'm going to take on the role of hammerer. Ya'll vote whoever you want and I'll hammer. That sounds fun I think.

 

[Blind Ninja]

@Blind Ninja I am inclined to trust you at this point, if for no other reason than you started the train on Badger. I very much doubt you would have done that if you were teammates with him.

What do you think of Val, Mazer, Matthieu, llettuce, Foxxi or CWE ?

I don't feel strongly about Matthieu but I voted him only for his avoidance of the Badger train. He's given me an OMGUS vote, saying I didn't listen to why he voted Foxxi, which is probably fair of him if he was town.

Foxxi is difficult to read - her commentary could easily be interpreted either way, but we all know she's a remarkably skilled player, who knows she's usually an early target.

I 100% would have talked to badger like that, even if I was teamed with him. Its just something about his play that rubs me.

Val - Very much no present in thread. I have a hard to developing a read on someone not adding to the conversation.
Mazer - Hasnt said a lot, but of the 6 people you listed, top 2 in content game related. I wouldnt put it past him to be scum, but nothing is pointing me in that direction right now.
Matt - Bring ups a going point about you ignoring things he's said and havent responded to. His play so far has been NAI. But still dont understand why he is 100% opposed to ever voting Val. Could be something to look at.
Llettuce - Was MIA D1, better today. Someone to keep an eye on to see if participation continues, or goes back in the toilet.
Foxxi - She has an interesting outlook on this game. D1 wanted to be yeeted to not deal with cult, now seems indifferent. Amusing theory about this being a tribute game to her, which is not something Claws said. But as she has stated, need to keep looking out for people as the game progresses, since recruits can/will happen.
CWE - Aside from his "tell no lie" outlook, I leave reading him to people that are more used to him. I dont see anything off about him.

 

[3puppies]

Yup. Everyone should just trust BN forever now since he helped yeet badger. No way that'll bite anyone in the ass.

I did not suggest trusting BN forever, because even I understand that this being a cult game means we can't trust anyone forever. While I accept the possibility BN may have been targeted for recruitment right away, I'd still like to hear his thoughts.

To you, Foxxi, earlier you mentioned the possibility/likelihood of more than 3 town vigilantes. What are your thoughts on my follow-up, where I think there could be significantly more than three town vig killers? Would you agree that claws might pull off something like that?

 

[Blind Ninja]

Yup. Everyone should just trust BN forever now since he helped yeet badger. No way that'll bite anyone in the ass.

Really dont think people should ever take that stance with anyone in a cult game.

 

[Blind Ninja]

I've decided I'm going to take on the role of hammerer. Ya'll vote whoever you want and I'll hammer. That sounds fun I think.

I think we need to get people to L-2/L-3 and have the votes ready to send. Dont want to give Claws a chance to hammer and remove more info from us.

 

[Blind Ninja]

What are your thoughts on my follow-up, where I think there could be significantly more than three town vig killers? Would you agree that claws might pull off something like that?

Half feels you could be hinting at your role with a statement like that, unless you were one of the 3 that shot last night. OBVIOUSLY dont humor that with a response.

Claws giving everyone a gun is something I can see him doing. Would be just enough chaos for him.

 

[Claws]

Half feels you could be hinting at your role with a statement like that, unless you were one of the 3 that shot last night. OBVIOUSLY dont humor that with a response.

Claws giving everyone a gun is something I can see him doing. Would be just enough chaos for him.

He says enough heheheh

 

[Claws]

I did not suggest trusting BN forever, because even I understand that this being a cult game means we can't trust anyone forever. While I accept the possibility BN may have been targeted for recruitment right away, I'd still like to hear his thoughts.

To you, Foxxi, earlier you mentioned the possibility/likelihood of more than 3 town vigilantes. What are your thoughts on my follow-up, where I think there could be significantly more than three town vig killers? Would you agree that claws might pull off something like that?

 

[Claws]

If it pleases you i have no gun

 

[Foxxi]

I did not suggest trusting BN forever, because even I understand that this being a cult game means we can't trust anyone forever. While I accept the possibility BN may have been targeted for recruitment right away, I'd still like to hear his thoughts.

To you, Foxxi, earlier you mentioned the possibility/likelihood of more than 3 town vigilantes. What are your thoughts on my follow-up, where I think there could be significantly more than three town vig killers? Would you agree that claws might pull off something like that?

Oh absolutely. I expect half of us at least have guns.

 

[Foxxi]

Really dont think people should ever take that stance with anyone in a cult game.

Well duh. That was sarcasm XD hence the "no way that'll bite anyone in the ass"

 

[Blind Ninja]

Well duh. That was sarcasm XD hence the "no way that'll bite anyone in the ass"

I know

What do you think about VKs thoughts on you

 

[Claws]

I dislike him and his fur

 

[Foxxi]

I know

What do you think about VKs thoughts on you

I can see where he gets them from, I'd prolly conclude the same thing about him if it were the cult of the void or whatever. I also don't particularly care. I don't believe he currently has any ulterior motives given how badger didn't wanna crucify void for pushing him, and Void was the target of someone preventing conversion - so *shrug*

 

[Foxxi]

I think we need to get people to L-2/L-3 and have the votes ready to send. Dont want to give Claws a chance to hammer and remove more info from us.

Also doubt it was claws that removed info unless the SK is also a cannibal. Not impossible, but since we have two deaths with no role flip it makes it less likely either scenario specifically was why, and more likely we just won't get roles no matter what.

 

[Claws]

Rise up and hang this fox heheh

 

[MitchRapp]

Vote: LDG

 

[llettuce]

Vote: val

 

[Claws]

Foxxi - 2 (VK 645, Claws 722)
Val - 3 (BN 675, Grumpycat 740, Lettuce 766)
Vk - 1 (Ldg 688)
Matthieu - 1 (3pup 690)
3pups - 1 Matthieu 723)
Grumpycat - 1 (Val 738)
LDG - 1 (Mitchrapp 765)

Not voting: Foxxi, MTR, Robozerim, CWE, Listo95, Jarrod1983, Mazer

with 17 alive Majority is 9

Day ends june 22 @ 7pm est

 

[Val the Moofia Boss]

Dead wind. Sad.

Unvote: Grumpycat

Vote: Foxxie

 

[Blind Ninja]

Dead wind. Sad.

Unvote: Grumpycat

Vote: Foxxie

Just moving vote around to see what sticks?

This is lazy play, even for you.

 

[Val the Moofia Boss]

I gotta be the change I want to see, and I want to see those pesky critters GONE from my backyard

 

[Matthieu]

Matt - Bring ups a going point about you ignoring things he's said and havent responded to. His play so far has been NAI. But still dont understand why he is 100% opposed to ever voting Val. Could be something to look at.

Tradition. I think people are reading too much into it, I wasn't speaking in the context of this game on that front. More so in the context of every game. I will not vote for Val in this game, just as I will not do so in the next game and did not do so in the previous game.

It's an irrelevant point, just something I wanted to clarify.

 

[Mazer]

I've decided I'm going to take on the role of hammerer. Ya'll vote whoever you want and I'll hammer. That sounds fun I think.

Stop stealing my shit. If dramatic hammerer goes away, I don't have much.

 

[Mazer]

It's a cult game, so this is always a moving target. The danger, even more than people making basic probability and math errors, is that people start sheeping someone because they weren't scum at some point.

Right now, id say that vk and blind ninja weren't scum yesterday. And looks vk would still not be.

Badger will definitely run a "bus a teammate" play when it's called. But its not always his first priority.

At least that's my thoughts as I read in the dark, trying not to wake anyone up, in a Colorado hotel.

Back on the road soon.

Hoping to check in this afternoon.

 

[Mazer]

Scanner through agsin. Also adding mitch to the "wasnt scum yesterday" list.

Also, the early badger reaction to votes mildly different than what I would expect in retrospect.

 

[Jarrod1983]

Vote: Val the Moofia Boss

 

[Robozerim]

Vote: VoidKitten

Do you think he started out as a cultist? The writeup did seem to imply that he was protected from recruitment last night, so I think he might be one of the worst choices for who might be a cultist right now.

 

[Robozerim]

We certainly could off the other train at this point. Foxxi is generally seen as a boon to have on your team, making her a tempting recruit in addition to possibly starting as a cultist, and since it was between Badger and Foxxi yesterday and it seems that Badger was a cultist based on colours, then Foxxi is given some town cred. However, she also has a lot of attention on her and is a frequent choice for a kill from those who aren't on her team, and probably sometimes even those who are aligned with her. She'd have been a risky recruit.

I have my suspicions that not everybody can be recruited. A serial killer I suspect might be immune, there's obviously the target of the unrecruiter, but would it make sense for a role that works to block recruitment to be recruitable themselves? I wouldn't be surprised if they can't be recruited either. I'd guess all the vigilantes can be recruited because that's a juicy factional kill added to the cult if they chance upon the right person. Given the seeming presence of at least 3 vigilantes, it's probably inevitable that they will get themselves a kill sooner or later.

CWE is a double edged sword for the recruit choice. As the resident never liar, they often get extra town cred that most people don't, but being so averse to lying can obviously be a handicap. Though, it's clear enough in past interactions that you don't have to outright lie to deceive. People do a lot of filling in the blanks with things that aren't actually said.

Those who voted against Badger are obviously tempting because of the inherent town cred.

Okay....so I think if I were to try and hunt for the recruit, which may or may not have succeeded, I would probably look at those who voted against Badger or those who were completely uninvolved in the Foxxi/Badger dichotomy.

If we are to search for original cult members, I'd probably look into those who didn't vote for Badger except for maybe those nearer the end of Badger's train because of late busing.

If the recruiter is a single person and it doesn't transfer from them, then obviously we'd want to kill them as soon as possible to make a town win plausible. Mind you, given the high amount of apparent vigilantes, I wouldn't be surprised if it was possible to transfer the ability just to avoid having a case of being murdered right off the bat at night ruining the cult's entire shtick. Either that or the recruiter could have protections to save them from death.

I think that we should search for original cult members. It's possible the recruit failed (unrecruiter, innate immunity to recruitment, role blocking or w/e) and there's the possibility that if we kill the original recruiter we can stop further recruiting.

I think I'll throw my lot in with 3puppies' earlier post and go for one of those who were on the Foxxi train.

Vote: Matthieu

 

[llettuce]

I get the feeling we dont want claws to be the last vote

 

[Claws]

I get the feeling we dont want claws to be the last vote

Im not im 2nd on the foxxi train

 

[llettuce]

I just mean in general, I didnt like the tone of stealing the kill from d1 end

 

[3puppies]

As the weekend approaches,, I will be tied up

 

[Claws]

As the weekend approaches,, I will be tied up

Kinky

 

[Claws]

Foxxi - 2 (VK 645, Claws 722)
Val - 4 (BN 675, Grumpycat 740, Lettuce 766, Jarrod 775)
Matthieu - 2 (3pup 690, Robo 777)
Vk - 1 (Ldg 688)
3pups - 1 (Matthieu 723)
Grumpycat - 1 (Val 738)
LDG - 1 (Mitchrapp 765)

Not voting: Foxxi, MTR, CWE, Listo95, Mazer

with 17 alive Majority is 9

Day ends june 22 @ 7pm est

 

[Blind Ninja]

Tradition. I think people are reading too much into it, I wasn't speaking in the context of this game on that front. More so in the context of every game. I will not vote for Val in this game, just as I will not do so in the next game and did not do so in the previous game.

It's an irrelevant point, just something I wanted to clarify.

I just dont understand why you will never vote there. Tradition is a BS excuse.

 

[Val the Moofia Boss]

Less than 6 hours until day ends, huh. Wonder if there will be a mad scramble to get me lynched by then. I would claim. But I can't.

I hate the cult. Pinkie promise.

 

[llettuce]

Less than 6 hours until day ends, huh. Wonder if there will be a mad scramble to get me lynched by then. I would claim. But I can't.

I hate the cult. Pinkie promise.

Who do you think might be in the cult then? What are your thoughts on game? Is there anyone or thing that stands out to you?

I'm willing to change my vote, but you havent given me any reason to.

 

[Claws]

i enjoy val and yall should be smoking the foxxi out it is ordained yes she is a strong townplayer she is also a Strong recruite once insimulated as "town player" we must rise above this and show her swift grave theres no saying what she randed

 

[llettuce]

alright all knowing game runner

 

[Claws]

alright all knowing game runner

pfft i know nothing

 

[Claws]

i have no brain

 

[llettuce]

I wanna know what ur rules are, if you have them

 

[Claws]

you mean my card?

 

[Claws]

that would get me mk'd

 

[GrumpyCat]

Try to make it in a way that mod wont catch it.

 

[Claws]

sure thing boss

 

[Claws]

Role: Claws the Cat
**Alignment:** REDACTED
**Type:** REDACTED

**Abilities:**
REDACTED
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**Win Condition:REDACTED

 

[Claws]

its like when the goverment wants to hide shit heheheh

 

[GrumpyCat]

Damnit i only have 4 abilities. Mod giving himself a better role. Typical.

 

[GrumpyCat]

So whats with Foxxi? I can get what you are saying but do you actually have deets on her?

 

[Claws]

she is my rival and i will sink her ship yes i will