Mafia 36 - Cursed Souls

[Claws]

I am free from work meow

 

[Claws]

5 day weekend for claws huzzah

 

[3puppies]

Damn, it sucks to have to be away.

I got my phone back but I have a lot to make up from missing work retrieving it

I saw Pat was taken out - good call there. Who killed him, and how? Deputy?

Did that trigger the plague? or was it something else?

 

[Val the Moofia Boss]

@Claws I am the Guardian Angel. Future revealed to me that he is the tracker. On N2 I shielded him.

Listo sounds "off" to me.

 

[Listo95]

@Claws I am the Guardian Angel. Future revealed to me that he is the tracker. On N2 I shielded him.

Listo sounds "off" to me.

Really? Tildey confirmed my existence. I also gained nothing by lying about being a WW.

 

[3puppies]

I am trying to understand who was infected, and how.

I want to believe Tildey. Future and Val have been whispering since the beginning of the game, so I am inclined to trust that they are town.

I trust that CWE and MTR were town to begin with.

 

[Listo95]

Unvote:
Vote: Future

 

[Listo95]

I am trying to understand who was infected, and how.

I want to believe Tildey. Future and Val have been whispering since the beginning of the game, so I am inclined to trust that they are town.

I trust that CWE and MTR were town to begin with.

Pat being killer activated Pest. So either Pat or Grumpy were the last non-infected players in the game.

 

[3puppies]

How many more scum do we think are out there? We started with 13 total, there were 2 cursed souls, and one scum was taken out.

 

[3puppies]

Pat being killer activated Pest. So either Pat or Grumpy were the last non-infected players in the game.

So how would I have gotten infected?

 

[Listo95]

How many more scum do we think are out there? We started with 13 total, there were 2 cursed souls, and one scum was taken out.

No clue. I wouldn't be surprised if it was just me and Pest being the final ones but *shrug*

 

[3puppies]

I did the magic mirror in front of llettuce, then Xan, then MTR

 

[Listo95]

So how would I have gotten infected?

Either Future lying about his targets, you targeting someone infected or someone infected targeting you. Plague spreads VERY easily. The only roles that can not spread it are those who do Astral visits.

 

[3puppies]

So if MTR as retributionist used the cleric to protect me, he could have infected me?

 

[3puppies]

If he had been infected before he visited me, that is

 

[Listo95]

So if MTR as retributionist used the cleric to protect me, he could have infected me?

If the corpse was infected possibly. If MTR was infected you targeting him would infect you.

 

[3puppies]

So the allegations seem to be

Future - claimed tracker early, allegedly lying about his targets
Tildey - hinted at spy, same day, allegedly lying about being pestilence
Listo - claimed werewolf (claim only came when nobody else hadn't claimed)

I am inclined to
Vote: Listo

If the game started with a ww, two cursed souls, and two coven, 5 non-town and 8 town seems a little too unbalanced for a game with no writeups.

 

[FutureHold]

Unvote:
Vote: Future

omgus

 

[Listo95]

So the allegations seem to be

Future - claimed tracker early, allegedly lying about his targets
Tildey - hinted at spy, same day, allegedly lying about being pestilence
Listo - claimed werewolf (claim only came when nobody else hadn't claimed)

I am inclined to
Vote: Listo

If the game started with a ww, two cursed souls, and two coven, 5 non-town and 8 town seems a little too unbalanced for a game with no writeups.

I'm not saying he's lying about his targets. He easily could have targeted those people. But it was to spread plague instead.

 

[Listo95]

omgus

No. I'm right

We know Pest exists. Grumpy COULD NOT BE INFECTED before last night or the shot this morning.

 

[Listo95]

So the allegations seem to be

Future - claimed tracker early, allegedly lying about his targets
Tildey - hinted at spy, same day, allegedly lying about being pestilence
Listo - claimed werewolf (claim only came when nobody else hadn't claimed)

I am inclined to
Vote: Listo

If the game started with a ww, two cursed souls, and two coven, 5 non-town and 8 town seems a little too unbalanced for a game with no writeups.

Be aware I'm also L-1 right now. I am not the priority. Pest is.

 

[Listo95]

Also 3pup. You say that. When as of right now. I AM THE ONLY ONE WHO GOT ANY DAMN KILLS SO FAR! Also Pest is not coven. Its Apoc -.-

 

[FutureHold]

Be aware I'm also L-1 right now. I am not the priority. Pest is.

That’s something the werewolf would say.

Honestly I’m surprised you outed yourself like that given you don’t have much of a chance to win anymore. I rather take out the werewolf then focus on pestilence so that you can’t sneak your way into a victory.

 

[Listo95]

To town on me and non voters: I will not go out and kill I will rampage at my house so I will be unlikely to kill anyone unless they visit me.

 

[Tildey]

I'm trying to catch up and also make some notes. Did we ever figure out who the current cursed souls are? I know I saw that MTR is. Did we figure out the 2nd?

 

[FutureHold]

I'm trying to catch up and also make some notes. Did we ever figure out who the current cursed souls are? I know I saw that MTR is. Did we figure out the 2nd?

It’s CWE if anyone is asking.

 

[Tildey]

It’s CWE if anyone is asking.

It went back to him again, too?

 

[Claws]

@Claws I am the Guardian Angel. Future revealed to me that he is the tracker. On N2 I shielded him.

Listo sounds "off" to me.

Right but tracker or spy are easy things to fake why would listo claim Ww knowing we likely yeet him

 

[Claws]

To town on me and non voters: I will not go out and kill I will rampage at my house so I will be unlikely to kill anyone unless they visit me.

DOnt be a sissy

 

[Claws]

It went back to him again, too?

Yup gc and cwe have been trading back and forth whole game

 

[Val the Moofia Boss]

why would listo claim Ww knowing we likely yeet him

Why wouldn't a cornered scum throw a hail mary?

 

[3puppies]

Unvote: Listo

Listo, you may have a point that town's priority should be pestilence. But Is there any proof that you are not pestilence?

 

[Listo95]

Unvote: Listo

Listo, you may have a point that town's priority should be pestilence. But Is there any proof that you are not pestilence?

I think everyone has claimed and no one counted my WW claim? Tildey confirms one exists.

 

[3puppies]

Thinking about how Grumpy got infected. You're saying It had to come from when he swapped cursed soul with CWE

 

[3puppies]

Did Tildey confirm it was werewolr, or that it was just not town?

 

[Listo95]

Thinking about how Grumpy got infected. You're saying It had to come from when he swapped cursed soul with CWE

No. He couldn't be infected before last night since no one visited him all game. Last night Future went to him. So either that caused it or his shot on Pat caused it.

 

[Listo95]

Did Tildey confirm it was werewolr, or that it was just not town?

Posts 772 and 774.

 

[MTR]

Ugh. Can't quite piece together who is not telling the truth and it is driving me crazy.

 

[Tildey]

Did Tildey confirm it was werewolr, or that it was just not town?

Bug only trips with evil visitor. Future's bug tripped the same night I planted it. The only info I get is role name. He was visited by a werewolf.

 

[3puppies]

But a werewolf alignment is "neutral". The Spy only detects "Evil"

 

[3puppies]

So we have both a plaguebearer (pestilence) and a werewolf, and both are neutral, but they have a wincon of

Werewolf has a wincon of needing to kill everyone or nothing can prevent that outcome.

Plaguebearer has a wincon that everyone but the Apocalypse members are dead or nothing can prevent this outcome.

I guess they would both be considered Evil, as in they seek to do harm to town.

Does that mean there was only one Coven?

 

[3puppies]

Did any of the claims help explain how Caito died?

 

[3puppies]

If the WW was rampaging at home and Caito visited, buh-bye Caito

 

[Listo95]

Did any of the claims help explain how Caito died?

I attacked Tildey, he protected Tildey. My attack is a Rampage attacking both my target and anyone who targets them also. So he died going to Tildey. Tildey did not die because Cleric gives powerful defense.

 

[Tildey]

Okay, I've been spreadsheeting to write down everyone's claimed roles and claimed actions trying to find a point where everyone left alive could have been touched back to a single person. I think Val has to be the plaguebearer and that when he claims to have protected Future on N2 he really infected him instead. That would have infected Future, everyone that visited Future that night, anyone that Future visited that night, and I'm assuming anyone visited by people Future visited that night. If that's the case then Val's visit to Future on N2 would have resulted in the following being infected:

Future
Me - because Future tracked me on N2 and because I placed a bug at Future's on N3
MTR - because I visited MTR on N2 to place a bug while Future was visiting me
Claws - because he partied at Val's as the socialite on N2
Listo - rampaged at my house on N2, but also scented Future on N3
Grumpy - tracked by Future on N3
3pups - visited MTR and visited by MTR on N3

The only person I can't account for being infected is CWE. But if Val is the plaguebearer he could have visited CWE on a different night to infect him directly.

 

[Tildey]

Vote: Val