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Mafia 38 - Trouble Brewing

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    Foxxi

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    Welcome to the town of Ravenswood Bluff! A quaint little place steeped with intrigue…and murder.

    This game format differs slightly from standard mafia: Death is NOT the end of the game. It is crucial to this game format that players continue to work on solving with their fellow townsfolk - or deceiving and confusing the townsfolk if you are a minion!

    There is a lot of information in this game. However, some of it might be wrong. If you are drunk or poisoned, you have no ability, but I will pretend that you do. I am allowed to lie to you if you are drunk or poisoned—any information that you get may be incorrect, but you will not know if you are drunk or poisoned. For example, if you are the Drunk, I will tell you you’re a different character, and only I know that you are actually the Drunk. Or, if the Poisoner poisons you, you will still be prompted for a night action if you have one, but it won’t work or may return false results.

    Voting will be handled slightly differently in this format:
    1. In order to execute a player they must first be nominated.
    2. It only takes ONE nomination to put a player up on the block, and then the nominated player is the only player that votes may be cast for.
    3. A player may only nominate, or be nominated ONCE per day phase.
    4. Once a player has been nominated, players will vote either yea or nay. This vote CANNOT be changed. You may abstain from voting.
    5. A voting phase can last no more than 12 hours. If there are not enough votes to execute in that time, then it returns to nominations.
    6. If a majority of votes are reached on a player (based on living players), they will be executed at the end of the day, unless another nomination is made, and that player gains more votes.
    7. If two players tie for the same number of votes, there will be no elimination.
    8. The dead may cast ONE last vote after their death, but CANNOT nominate for execution.

    Other key differences in this format:
    1. The Demon and the Minions are aware of each other, but are not told what roles they have and do not possess a private chat.
    2. Players may publicly request to talk to another player(s) privately. If the other player(s) agree, I will create a discord channel that will last for the remainder of the day for those players. (This is relevant because sharing information is critical for solving the game, however if done entirely openly then you know the demon will know too. In small chats you have better odds to keep the demon out of the loop - however it also gives the demon/minions cover to request to talk to each other if they need to.)
    3. The town wins when the Demon is executed, the Demon and its minions win if the Demon lives until only two players remain.
    4. Each character is unique, there will only ever be one of any given role. (There are exceptions to this in more complicated versions with roles we will not be using currently.) The Demon is given three bluffs to choose from - characters that are not in the game that they can safely pretend to be.
    5. Outsiders are good aligned players that win with the townsfolk, but their abilities are often negative utility to the town.
    Game Composition:
    1 Demon
    2 Minions
    1 Outsiders
    7 townsfolk

    Players:
    @MTR
    @PsychoSoldier
    @CWE
    @Claws
    @Xanjori
    @GrumpyCat
    @Matthieu
    @3puppies
    @Listo95
    @Nightmare Queen Miko
    @Blind Ninja

    It is now Night One.​
    (Oh yes; the game begins in night phase ;) Day One will begin once I hear confirmations from all players.)

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    • Dawn rises over Ravenswood Bluff to a terrible sight. Dead high on the clocktower - Foxxi the town moderator. Townsfolk look nervously at each other, there is a Demon among them.

    It is now Day One
    Day One Ends: Thursday Oct 2 @7am est
    (The day lengths may be adjusted depending on how it feels for gameplay. But there will be warning if there will be changes.)​
     
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    As I understand it, our sole wincon is to get rid of the Demon.

    Looking at the roles, I don't understand how Grumpy can be town and know where the Demon is hiding.
     
    I find it convenient that Grumpy would say start at the top and go clockwise, with where his position is on the graphic... not enough to nominate him yet, but it could be a start.

    GrumpyCat said:
    Hey whats up? So what are we doing here? If its about demon i already know where it is hiding.
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    Is the answer different then somewhere in the 11 people playing?
     
    Looking at the setup, and the game having started at night, we should have some information.

    Anyone opposed to a mass claim and working out who is lying from what people give?
     
    I think it would be smart with outsider claims, should give info on drunk/baron.

    0 outsiders - drunk no baron
    1 outsider - no drunk no baron
    2 outsiders - drunk + baron
    3 outsiders - no drunk + baron.
     
    Blind Ninja said:
    Looking at the setup, and the game having started at night, we should have some information.

    Anyone opposed to a mass claim and working out who is lying from what people give?
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    I am in favor of this approach. The drawback is that the mod has given the demon three possible town roles to hide as.
    But since I won't learn anything else, I will share what I know.

    I am claiming the librarian, and the info I was given was that either CWE or Xanjori is the drunk.

    I am not sure if that info given me, actually prevents me from being the drunk.
     
    The way i see it is that you could still be a drunk. And if you were poisoned this will be a false info.

    Anyway at this point we are in a drunk no baron setup unless there are more outsider claims.
     
    I'll also come forward and claim. Im the Washerwoman. I know a role thats in game and have 2 people that could be said role. This is why I wanted a mass claim, so I can see if either of my listed people claim the roles I know.
     
    And of course, you could have been poisoned. Or, there's a possibility that I was poisoned and you're the drunk.

    Alternately, you're the demon and you were given the washerwoman as one of the three "safe roles" that nobody else had.

    Nevertheless, town needs to be sharing our info.
     
    3puppies said:
    And of course, you could have been poisoned. Or, there's a possibility that I was poisoned and you're the drunk.

    Alternately, you're the demon and you were given the washerwoman as one of the three "safe roles" that nobody else had.

    Nevertheless, town needs to be sharing our info.
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    I understand and agree that my information could be inaccurate if I was poisoned or am the drunk. I will 100% say I am not the demon or any of the minions.
     
    That being said, its information that I have, and want to see if the people come forward with claims. If neither claim the role i know, it could lock me into being poisoned on N1 or the drunk.
     
    I am mixed bag on if we should be doing tons of claiming. My role doesn't get any kind of information so I have no information to share.
     
    Blind Ninja said:
    I'll also come forward and claim. Im the Washerwoman. I know a role thats in game and have 2 people that could be said role. This is why I wanted a mass claim, so I can see if either of my listed people claim the roles I know.
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    You could have just said : I want player X and Y to claim and not push for mass claim.
    Because now we have 2 claims from people that wont get any more info this game. So scum already know there is no reason to poison them anymore and they will go for others.
    I mean maybe there is no poisoner but technically right now there is 66% chance there is.
     
    GrumpyCat said:
    Anyway, I never played this and don't know what the strategy, claiming meta is for a game like this.
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    My only experience with this is from NRB playing it on youtube. Where that's in person and groups of people go into areas to talk to each other. General claiming rule there is if you trust someone you give them your role, otherwise you do things like "I am one of these 3 roles". How standard that is I don't know.
     
    3puppies said:
    I am claiming the librarian, and the info I was given was that either CWE or Xanjori is the drunk.

    I am not sure if that info given me, actually prevents me from being the drunk.
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    Its true its me, ever since I got back into WoW raiding I just cant stop drinking. Its the only thing keeping me going
     
    Reading some of the roles id take it with a grain of salt some roles swap on certain actions some get bs info fro. Mod ect
     
    GrumpyCat said:
    Only roles that make sense to claim for me at least for now are outsiders.
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    The game setup was one outsider, 2 minions and a demon. The rest of us are town. Since there's "evidence" of a drunk, there's no other outsiders. So there shouldn't be another outsider who could claim.

    I think mass claiming might be the way to go. Before there are too many chats, as the minions don't know who they can safely claim, as the demon hasn't chatted yet, there's no scum chat for them to communicate.
     
    3puppies said:
    The game setup was one outsider, 2 minions and a demon. The rest of us are town. Since there's "evidence" of a drunk, there's no other outsiders. So there shouldn't be another outsider who could claim.

    I think mass claiming might be the way to go. Before there are too many chats, as the minions don't know who they can safely claim, as the demon hasn't chatted yet, there's no scum chat for them to communicate.
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    There may be more outsiders we don’t know. If a minion is a Baron that adds 2 outsiders.
     
    Xanjori said:
    Is mass claim actually the way to play this?
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    I'm leaning towards a 'no'. It takes away from the spirit of the game but also encourages players to show up and participate less. Mass claims tend to be a better option when it's down to the last few players.

    My main concern is that clever scum can exploit mass claims, especially early mass claims, to map out a route to victory by planning ahead and learning who isn't worthy of targeting and who is.
     
    Blind Ninja said:
    Looking at the setup, and the game having started at night, we should have some information.

    Anyone opposed to a mass claim and working out who is lying from what people give?
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    I'm not against mass claiming, but like 3pups said, the demon has fake claims to choose from so it might not be immediately obvious who's lying
     
    Not getting any strong vibes off anyone yet, but am I reading the voting rules right? We have to nominate someone and then we vote to execute them. But can multiple people be nominated at the same time? The rules imply that when talking about who has majority votes, but it never explicitly says so
     
    1 person can be nominated at any given time. There is no limit to elimination as long as day timer doesnt run out. Elimination goes to person who had most votes as long as it is majority.

    So with 11 players majority is 6.

    1st nomination gets 4 votes. 2nd 6 votes. 3rd 8 votes. 4th 5 votes. Day ends. 3rd person is eliminated.
     
    Nomination lasts max 12 hours or until everyone voted. Then day resumes. Each player can be nominated once a day. And votes reset at start of next day. At least thats how i understand it from mod.
     
    If someone is nominated and doesnt get majority they are basically safe for rest of the day.

    If they get majority they arent auto yeeted because someone could still get more votes than them before day ends.
     
    GrumpyCat said:
    You could have just said : I want player X and Y to claim and not push for mass claim.
    Because now we have 2 claims from people that wont get any more info this game. So scum already know there is no reason to poison them anymore and they will go for others.
    I mean maybe there is no poisoner but technically right now there is 66% chance there is.
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    I get what you're saying... but wanted to see if people would be willing to give their roles. I still think a mass claim and going over all the information we can get from any/all roles would be good. Only 1 can be poisoned (if poisoner is in play) and only 1 person can be the drunk (if the drunk is in play). I didnt read all the roles, but I know we have information based on the role in play from my N1 information.

    I know it could be false if im the drunk or was poisoned. But its still information im willing to release.

    Since I dont want to say the 2 people, ill list 4 people, but not the role. If those people trust me enough to private chat with me and tell me their role, or they can just out the information in public.

    There is a role X, between Claws, Grumpy, 3pup, and NQM
     
    GrumpyCat said:
    1 person can be nominated at any given time. There is no limit to elimination as long as day timer doesnt run out. Elimination goes to person who had most votes as long as it is majority.

    So with 11 players majority is 6.

    1st nomination gets 4 votes. 2nd 6 votes. 3rd 8 votes. 4th 5 votes. Day ends. 3rd person is eliminated.
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    Under this scenario, there are 11 players and 23 votes? This implies we can vote more than once?
     
    Only one player can be nominated at any given time. Once a player has been nominated it will go to the voting phase and only that player may be voted for.

    Once that voting phase ends - regardless of if they receive enough votes to be eliminated or not - another player may be nominated and a new voting phase will begin.

    At the end of the day, the player who received the most votes will be eliminated, as long as it was at least 6 votes. If two players tie for the most, no elimination will occur.
     
    Blind Ninja said:
    I get what you're saying... but wanted to see if people would be willing to give their roles. I still think a mass claim and going over all the information we can get from any/all roles would be good. Only 1 can be poisoned (if poisoner is in play) and only 1 person can be the drunk (if the drunk is in play). I didnt read all the roles, but I know we have information based on the role in play from my N1 information.

    I know it could be false if im the drunk or was poisoned. But its still information im willing to release.

    Since I dont want to say the 2 people, ill list 4 people, but not the role. If those people trust me enough to private chat with me and tell me their role, or they can just out the information in public.

    There is a role X, between Claws, Grumpy, 3pup, and NQM
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    You have claimed the washerwoman. Which, if true, means you won't be getting any more information.
    I have claimed the Librarian. Which means I won't be getting information.
    Neither of us will be getting more info from our roles.

    If my info was true, you're not the drunk.

    If your info was true, and it said there was a librarian among me and one of the other players you put out there, I think you would have shared it, as it would confirm me to the rest of town.

    So I suspect that your info gave you the existence of another role, not the librarian. Then again, there's still the possibility that either you or I was poisoned.

    Does the washerwoman get info about 2 people who are next to each other on the clock? Or two random people?
     
    Perhaps the washerwoman has tips as to how to get puppy drool off of a pillowcase. If the washerwoman is a Blind Ninja, they may not really care how clean it looks?
     
    I just had a thought - if I was not poisoned, or am not the drunk myself, then either CWE or Xanjori is the drunk. Does the drunk ALWAYS get false information, or do they get information that MAY be false?

    If always, then would it be helpful to know what they were told? We'd know for certain that at least one of me, CWE, or Xan got false info.

    CWE, I'd like to chat with you, please.

    Xanjori, I'd like to chat with you, please.

    I will respect your wishes if you don't want me to publicly reveal anything.
     
    3puppies said:
    You have claimed the washerwoman. Which, if true, means you won't be getting any more information.
    I have claimed the Librarian. Which means I won't be getting information.
    Neither of us will be getting more info from our roles.

    If my info was true, you're not the drunk.

    If your info was true, and it said there was a librarian among me and one of the other players you put out there, I think you would have shared it, as it would confirm me to the rest of town.

    So I suspect that your info gave you the existence of another role, not the librarian. Then again, there's still the possibility that either you or I was poisoned.

    Does the washerwoman get info about 2 people who are next to each other on the clock? Or two random people?
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    Says shown 2 people and learns the character of one of them. So I its 2 random people

    The info was not of librarian, so I cannot confirm you.
     
    3puppies said:
    I just had a thought - if I was not poisoned, or am not the drunk myself, then either CWE or Xanjori is the drunk. Does the drunk ALWAYS get false information, or do they get information that MAY be false?

    If always, then would it be helpful to know what they were told? We'd know for certain that at least one of me, CWE, or Xan got false info.

    CWE, I'd like to chat with you, please.

    Xanjori, I'd like to chat with you, please.

    I will respect your wishes if you don't want me to publicly reveal anything.
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    The drunk doesnt know they are drunk. Information they have may be true or false, depending on other interactions. Its one of the roles that can result in town gettign false informatino.
     
    Blind Ninja said:
    The drunk doesnt know they are drunk. Information they have may be true or false, depending on other interactions. Its one of the roles that can result in town gettign false informatino.
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    Essentially this. It is up to the mod discretion if the info they give is true or false.
     
    3puppies said:
    I just had a thought - if I was not poisoned, or am not the drunk myself, then either CWE or Xanjori is the drunk. Does the drunk ALWAYS get false information, or do they get information that MAY be false?

    If always, then would it be helpful to know what they were told? We'd know for certain that at least one of me, CWE, or Xan got false info.

    CWE, I'd like to chat with you, please.

    Xanjori, I'd like to chat with you, please.

    I will respect your wishes if you don't want me to publicly reveal anything.
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    Sure.
     
    Man midnight raidings gunna be terrible they are making the api unable to read real time boss info so dbm is gunna be dead same with weakauras details all the shit i use
     
    Claws said:
    Man midnight raidings gunna be terrible they are making the api unable to read real time boss info so dbm is gunna be dead same with weakauras details all the shit i use
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    Their intent, is to make raid encounters that dont need things like WA or DBM
     
    Blind Ninja said:
    Their intent, is to make raid encounters that dont need things like WA or DBM
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    But they wont make encounters easyier because that would be boring to the 1% so we will get encounters like the palace egg one that would of been impossible for my group without addons
     
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