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Mafia 38 - Trouble Brewing
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Foxxi
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PsychoSoldier
Administrator
PsychoSoldier
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Claws
All-Knowing
By a jerkOh, I WAS nominated
PsychoSoldier
Administrator
Decided to start rereading from the beginning and this is noteworthy considering who died
PsychoSoldier
Administrator
I don't think it's necessarily a good excuse, just that it could maybe explain her absence
PsychoSoldier
Administrator
I am hurt, betrayed, heartbroken even
PsychoSoldier
Administrator
I'd like to know what your logic is that the chat between Listo/Claws would cause a conflict with me revealing my role to Claws? I requested the chat with Claws so clearly I had the intention
I agree that the Demon would likely be contacting their partners to share safe claims, but in that world we'd probably be looking for someone who was messaging a lot of people or might have started a chain of messages that could relay information
And the thing is YOU'RE the one other than maybe Grumpy who was prompting the most private chats
So I can't help but wondering if you're projecting the actual Demon/Minion strategy and claiming Librarian because it's one of your safe claims
PsychoSoldier
Administrator
Yeah, my issue with 3pups is it feels like he's been doing the most role-fishing. Blind arguably did the same by asking for a mass claim but A) Blind wasn't forceful about it and B) The unprompted washerwoman reasoning after the fact made sense. He then changed tact and was like "1 of these 4 is a town role, two of them I know it's between for sure" and that just comes off like town trying to adjust and adapt rather than scum with a gameplay.
3pups on the other hand has felt very slimey on reread and like he's constantly trying to figure out everyone's roles. The early Librarian claim is like fine but also not very provable in a simple way. He's been messaging people, and then had really bad logic to come to a "Hell" yes in voting me.
Vote: I nominate 3puppies
3pups on the other hand has felt very slimey on reread and like he's constantly trying to figure out everyone's roles. The early Librarian claim is like fine but also not very provable in a simple way. He's been messaging people, and then had really bad logic to come to a "Hell" yes in voting me.
Vote: I nominate 3puppies
PsychoSoldier
Administrator
I'll say I don't know that I still buy into the MTR kill being intentional, and the fact he hasn't even popped in to claim or anything DOES make me wonder if he was scum that had a redirected kill onto him, so 3pups as demon might not have killed MTR on purpose or for his role. But also 3pups as demon might have tried to communicate with MTR to share info
PsychoSoldier
Administrator
Yeah, like using misleading logic to justify a vote
PsychoSoldier
Administrator
Xanjori
Godfather
Sure Im down to chat
Xanjori
Godfather
Wait in this setup can you explain why role fishing is unlikely to come from non-evils? Because from what I am seeing here a lot of people are trying to solve based on setup
Xanjori
Godfather
This makes no sense, you nominated him. Why would you ever vote something that isnt yes?
PsychoSoldier
Administrator
Trying to solve based on set-up is one thing. Going out of your way to message a bunch of people to find out their roles feels less likely trying to solve and more like trying to either figure out what other people's roles are or possibly reaching out to your partners to share info about claims
Because I'm leaving room to be wrong and also for MTR to potentially claim something that might change my mind. I don't expect it to be much which is why I said it's probably a year
What do YOU think about 3pups?
PsychoSoldier
Administrator
Xanjori
Godfather
Right now I find your push on him highly suspicious tbh, like yes technically you could be right but doesnt it seem a bit too obvious for the evil to just be announcing in thread that theyre looking for all the roles and trying to solve everyones role? I feel like you should have considered this and you've not
Blind Ninja
Mastermind
He may have been fishing for roles, but he did claim Librarian relatively early on D1. Id have to go back and see if or who had asked for chats before that moment... but he did claim a town role and out info that one of 2 people could be drunk.
This could be a safe-ish claim for scum... but i do see you initial reasoning.
Blind Ninja
Mastermind
CWE
Godfather
Blind Ninja
Mastermind
PsychoSoldier
Administrator
PsychoSoldier
Administrator
From what I remember, 3pups is a pretty bold scum who uses his tendency to focus on mech as a way to manipulate the narrative. Even if it's too obvious to some, it doesn't mean there aren't people who won't try it. You're assuming I haven't considered it and honestly your reaction to me about this kinda feels like you might be running defense for pups.
It's also not just the role-fishing, I said the way he voted me also felt slime-y and the general way he's approached the game has felt less like "let me solve the puzzle" and more like "give me all the information"
PsychoSoldier
Administrator
My thing with the the Librarian claim is that if he's the demon, he'd know it's a safe claim, so it wouldn't matter how early.
And of all the roles to claim, it's one that's easy to fake info because the drunk never knows they're a drunk until they somehow get false info that they know is false
And if Xan or CWE is scum, it's even better cover
(I currently don't feel like CWE is scum)
Blind Ninja
Mastermind
I agree with librarian as an easy claim as scum...
However, with the information ive received, the only way 3pup is scum, is if the team is 3pup, grump, claws... and the info shared to me by Claws was an outright lie.
While this is not impossible, the amount of tinfoil i'd need would be astronomical
Psycho, your nomination of me is pure OMGUS! I feel stronger about you than I did before, because if you are town, you are 100% wrong in your read about me and my role.
Plus, you know very well that I am away weekends doing all my couponing stuff, and I don't have access to discord on weekends. Trying to take me out on a weekend stinks. Thankfully, in this game, even if I am taken out by misyeet, or by night action, I will still be able to post my analysis even after death, so I will be able to throw my two cents in whether you like it or not.
The HUGE point that you are missing is that the mod is giving some/MOST of us the correct information. The game starts at N1, so ONE person might be given incorrect info because of the poisoner (if that role is even active in this game), and if ONE person is the drunk, well even the drunk has a 50% chance of getting correct information - except about their own role. And if there is no poisoner, or if the poisoner has holstered, there's a possibility that the only incorrect information out there from the mod is what was role given to the drunk.
There are 11 players, including 3 evils and one outsider, so let's figure on 8 town roles. If 4-5 of these got information, only two have publicly shared their information so far.
I am certain about my own role, as I said, unless I am actually the drunk myself, because if I was poisoned, my role would be true, just the info I got might be suspect. I am uncertain of your role as well as Matthieu's. A couple others I have penciled in, not written in ink.
I am clearly trying to solve, and I figured the best thing I could do was to share the info that I had. I wanted people to be fair warned about any info they get from either of the potential drunks, especially as with the setup info we were given, there's only one outsider, the drunk takes that spot. Others have shared info with me, and I have put it together to come up with what I believe may be the role assignments - except for you and Matthieu. I get that some of these may be lies.
I fully believe that MTR was town, and was the direct target based on process of elimination. The demon knew who had claimed (2), and who was on his side (2, well 3 including himself), and the potential outsiders (2). MTR mentioned that he would have shared info but his role did not have information he could share. By saying this, I think MTR made himself a target, and I even told him this in our own private chat. The implication to me was that MTR's role was important later on. I don't want to give the demon the satisfaction of knowing who they took away. Certainly not after I had told MTR I wouldn't disclose it.
I freely admit that I want to "solve" everyone's claimed role, but just because I am perhaps a bit more vocal about figuring out most of the claimed roles, doesn't mean I have solved the hard part - which is who is lying. Town needs to share info to do this.
Plus, you know very well that I am away weekends doing all my couponing stuff, and I don't have access to discord on weekends. Trying to take me out on a weekend stinks. Thankfully, in this game, even if I am taken out by misyeet, or by night action, I will still be able to post my analysis even after death, so I will be able to throw my two cents in whether you like it or not.
The HUGE point that you are missing is that the mod is giving some/MOST of us the correct information. The game starts at N1, so ONE person might be given incorrect info because of the poisoner (if that role is even active in this game), and if ONE person is the drunk, well even the drunk has a 50% chance of getting correct information - except about their own role. And if there is no poisoner, or if the poisoner has holstered, there's a possibility that the only incorrect information out there from the mod is what was role given to the drunk.
There are 11 players, including 3 evils and one outsider, so let's figure on 8 town roles. If 4-5 of these got information, only two have publicly shared their information so far.
I am certain about my own role, as I said, unless I am actually the drunk myself, because if I was poisoned, my role would be true, just the info I got might be suspect. I am uncertain of your role as well as Matthieu's. A couple others I have penciled in, not written in ink.
I am clearly trying to solve, and I figured the best thing I could do was to share the info that I had. I wanted people to be fair warned about any info they get from either of the potential drunks, especially as with the setup info we were given, there's only one outsider, the drunk takes that spot. Others have shared info with me, and I have put it together to come up with what I believe may be the role assignments - except for you and Matthieu. I get that some of these may be lies.
I fully believe that MTR was town, and was the direct target based on process of elimination. The demon knew who had claimed (2), and who was on his side (2, well 3 including himself), and the potential outsiders (2). MTR mentioned that he would have shared info but his role did not have information he could share. By saying this, I think MTR made himself a target, and I even told him this in our own private chat. The implication to me was that MTR's role was important later on. I don't want to give the demon the satisfaction of knowing who they took away. Certainly not after I had told MTR I wouldn't disclose it.
I freely admit that I want to "solve" everyone's claimed role, but just because I am perhaps a bit more vocal about figuring out most of the claimed roles, doesn't mean I have solved the hard part - which is who is lying. Town needs to share info to do this.
Listo95
Moderator
If I actually had info I would have been more than willing to share it lol. I also would have been around more today but at work I started feeling ill and have been sleeping more or less all day -.- Hopefully I'll be around more this next phase since it should coincide with my days off.
Now that it is past 12:30 am EST, I am relieved that I have not been executed.
I didn't want to bring up the point, while I was on trial, but I was wondering why my nomination went through while Claw's nomination, of xan, I think it was back in post #181, was not considered next, before psycho?
Xan has given me a plausible town claim, and he has been identified by me, the librarian, as a possible drunk. While Xan is a possible evil, I don't think we should be looking at him at this point. Sorry Claws.
We started at 11 players, with 3 evil and 1 outsider, but the outsider should be considered town-aligned. So call it 8-3. We lost MTR, so we are at 7-3 now. If we don't yeet, and evil kills again tonight, we could be at 6-3.
But we have the possibility of losing another town to the virgin, which if followed by another demon kill, could very quickly make it 4-3. So while we aren't there yet, we will need to start executing soon or we can be in trouble shortly - while we only need to take out the demon to end the game, if the demon is killed while the scarlet lady is in the game, I think she becomes the demon from that point on.
For that reason, I would consider nominating pscyho again, especially because of his over-reaction OMGUS attack on yours truly. But because of the earlier apathy, I am thinking elsewhere.
I think it is safer for a town person with a role that will no longer gain information to make the future nominations. The town roles that could gain more information should avoid nominations because of the potential virgin at large.
I don't want to nominate NQM, because I think she is most likely the virgin. Based on LDG's earlier (over)reactions when she's been accused of being scum just for not actively inter-acting with the rest of us, I could VERY easily see Foxxi assigning her this role. It is a relatively powerful role because of the info we could learn, but it does not require a lot of interaction.
Similarly, Listo has shared info with me that seems plausible as well.
I would rather we look at the only other person I don't have info about - it may make me a jerk like Grumpy's math - but what the hell, I will
Vote: Nominate Matthieu
I didn't want to bring up the point, while I was on trial, but I was wondering why my nomination went through while Claw's nomination, of xan, I think it was back in post #181, was not considered next, before psycho?
Xan has given me a plausible town claim, and he has been identified by me, the librarian, as a possible drunk. While Xan is a possible evil, I don't think we should be looking at him at this point. Sorry Claws.
We started at 11 players, with 3 evil and 1 outsider, but the outsider should be considered town-aligned. So call it 8-3. We lost MTR, so we are at 7-3 now. If we don't yeet, and evil kills again tonight, we could be at 6-3.
But we have the possibility of losing another town to the virgin, which if followed by another demon kill, could very quickly make it 4-3. So while we aren't there yet, we will need to start executing soon or we can be in trouble shortly - while we only need to take out the demon to end the game, if the demon is killed while the scarlet lady is in the game, I think she becomes the demon from that point on.
For that reason, I would consider nominating pscyho again, especially because of his over-reaction OMGUS attack on yours truly. But because of the earlier apathy, I am thinking elsewhere.
I think it is safer for a town person with a role that will no longer gain information to make the future nominations. The town roles that could gain more information should avoid nominations because of the potential virgin at large.
I don't want to nominate NQM, because I think she is most likely the virgin. Based on LDG's earlier (over)reactions when she's been accused of being scum just for not actively inter-acting with the rest of us, I could VERY easily see Foxxi assigning her this role. It is a relatively powerful role because of the info we could learn, but it does not require a lot of interaction.
Similarly, Listo has shared info with me that seems plausible as well.
I would rather we look at the only other person I don't have info about - it may make me a jerk like Grumpy's math - but what the hell, I will
Vote: Nominate Matthieu
Blind Ninja
Mastermind
I assume the While someone is being voted up (nomination up and open), any other nominations are null and void. Since we can only have 1 nominated at a time.
GrumpyCat
Mastermind
Can't nominate same person twice in a day. I would vote on Matt but I don't know if that nomination started and day ends in like an hour?
GrumpyCat
Mastermind
So you privately got roles from MTR Xan and Listo and you only miss LDG and Matt?
I don't think it is likely that Matt is the virgin here, but depending if he gets nominated or not this could be his virginty test.
Day Three
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Foxxi
Administrator
Dawn rises and finds the mangled corpse of Grumpy floating in the town fountain.
Announcement: The chat system is being adjusted. Again. Each player may send me up to three messages to give to a chosen recipient. It will be reported in the end of day post who sent messages to whom. (All three messages do not have to be to the same person.)
It is now Day Three
Day Three deadline: Tuesday October 8th 8:30am est
Announcement: The chat system is being adjusted. Again. Each player may send me up to three messages to give to a chosen recipient. It will be reported in the end of day post who sent messages to whom. (All three messages do not have to be to the same person.)
It is now Day Three
Day Three deadline: Tuesday October 8th 8:30am est
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RIP Grumpy.
Grumpy claimed to me that he was the Empath, and said that neither me nor Claws are evil. He told me this before he and Claws had their own private chat.
I had wondered about the chance Grumpy and Claws were perhaps in cahoots, or if Grumpy had been poisoned, in which case the false info might have been that Claws was not nice. If Grumpy had been poisoned, then he still would have been given his role before the game play started, so based on his death, I am confident he was telling the truth.
Town needs to share information, and there are roles out there which have not shared.
@Foxxi , can you please clarify the amended again private chat rules? We can chat a total 3 times, but does that include dead players? I would like a private chat with Grumpy and MTR, but not necessarily if both count against my 3 in total. And does the private chat still end after 1/2 the day phase? I presume we request the private chat on our private discord channel? How will we know someone has requested a private chat with us?
@GrumpyCat and @MTR , do either of you want to respond publicly? It would potentially save me one of my 3 chats.
Grumpy claimed to me that he was the Empath, and said that neither me nor Claws are evil. He told me this before he and Claws had their own private chat.
I had wondered about the chance Grumpy and Claws were perhaps in cahoots, or if Grumpy had been poisoned, in which case the false info might have been that Claws was not nice. If Grumpy had been poisoned, then he still would have been given his role before the game play started, so based on his death, I am confident he was telling the truth.
Town needs to share information, and there are roles out there which have not shared.
@Foxxi , can you please clarify the amended again private chat rules? We can chat a total 3 times, but does that include dead players? I would like a private chat with Grumpy and MTR, but not necessarily if both count against my 3 in total. And does the private chat still end after 1/2 the day phase? I presume we request the private chat on our private discord channel? How will we know someone has requested a private chat with us?
@GrumpyCat and @MTR , do either of you want to respond publicly? It would potentially save me one of my 3 chats.
PsychoSoldier
Administrator
To be fair, this adds up with Grumpy going so hard to protect you, so I'm willing to take a step back and assume I was completely off-base on you
Not sure who I look at next, curious if Claws can verify
Blind Ninja
Mastermind
So you feel fine outing Grumpy's claim and role... but not MTR's
Im sure Grumpy didnt want you to share his info either.
Blind Ninja
Mastermind
Grumpy also shared that info with me. So 3pup isnt lying about that.
Foxxi
Administrator
If a player wishes to send the same message to multiple people it will count as one message. You may send a total of three messages. There is no longer a time restriction as long as it is during the day phase.
There will be no made chat channels, I will copy/paste your message and tell your recipient who it is from.
There will be no made chat channels, I will copy/paste your message and tell your recipient who it is from.
@CWE, you had privately shared your role to me - which I suspected was not true because my role identified you as a possible drunk. I made the mistake of not writing down everything we had shared, and I didn't realize the chats would disappear. At the time, I also hadn't realized that the drunk's info may actually be true - other than the role itself.
I had specifically told MTR that I would not reveal his information. Grumpy had told me that he had shared his info with someone else so I thought it was okay to share it, as it would be helpful to everyone.
CWE
Godfather
Claws
All-Knowing
What am i verifying?
Since we are not allowed to chat, we will have to send long private messages. I trust you to share what you have, @CWE, but Iet me send you what all of my suspicions are about everyone (living and dead), so in addition to your will, you might comment on my thoughts about roles
Can you verify if Grumpy told you his role as empath? If so, it clears both you and me as not being evil, unless Grumpy was poisoned
GrumpyCat
Mastermind
I never had a private chat with Claws and yes I got both nerighbours are not evil on night 0 and 1. Didnt get anytthing last night. Kill has priority.
GrumpyCat
Mastermind
I didn't chat with anyone else then you on day 1. You must have mixed me up with someone.
MTR
Mastermind
Nope not a good kill. I was the Monk.
Sorry for being MIA but upper respiratory infection kicked my ass for days. Just now getting around to seeing what I missed.
Claws
All-Knowing
Ya no chat
Blind Ninja
Mastermind
Blind Ninja
Mastermind
would lead back to Psycho... maybe Xan
Blind Ninja
Mastermind
GrumpyCat
Mastermind
And i was thinking this turn of events is enough to remove NQM as a demon ;p
But maybe she is still in there. Killing from the shadows.
Blind Ninja
Mastermind
I doubt she's demon, but could still be minion
Blind Ninja
Mastermind
Blind Ninja
Mastermind
GrumpyCat
Mastermind
I guess if there are still some investigative roles that know how many pairs of evil red herrings there are it would be right time to do so.
Otherewise it will change to an intense guessing game ;D
Claws
All-Knowing
True if we can multi lynch just getting nmq out might be worthwhile but idk numbers wise
Blind Ninja
Mastermind
We can only get 1 person removed a day. Person with the most votes, out of all nominees, is removed, provided they meet the majority threshold
GrumpyCat
Mastermind
Only 1/4 minion roles do anything at night and if she isnt posting or voting it seem like a waste.
Blind Ninja
Mastermind
CWE
Godfather
CWE the Fortune teller.
We demon hunting boys!!!
N1... Claws and 3pups. Both inno...
N2...Psycho and Nightmare Queen Miko. Both inno.
N3...Matthieu and Listo. Both inno.
Remaining alive unchecked
Xanjori
Blind Ninja
Dead unchecked
MTR
Grumpy
All that's left...
...
Unless I'm the drunk...then
We demon hunting boys!!!
N1... Claws and 3pups. Both inno...
N2...Psycho and Nightmare Queen Miko. Both inno.
N3...Matthieu and Listo. Both inno.
Remaining alive unchecked
Xanjori
Blind Ninja
Dead unchecked
MTR
Grumpy
All that's left...
...
Unless I'm the drunk...then
Blind Ninja
Mastermind
Blind Ninja
Mastermind
Only thing innocent from is being the Demon. Checked could be a minion.CWE the Fortune teller.
We demon hunting boys!!!
N1... Claws and 3pups. Both inno...
N2...Psycho and Nightmare Queen Miko. Both inno.
N3...Matthieu and Listo. Both inno.
Remaining alive unchecked
Xanjori
Blind Ninja
Dead unchecked
MTR
Grumpy
All that's left...
...
Unless I'm the drunk...then
With this, id be willing to vote Xan
CWE
Godfather
Hence the second line of the will...
Blind Ninja
Mastermind
I mean, thats fair. Wouldnt be opposed to being shot. It will not solve the game. I am not the demon.
Blind Ninja
Mastermind
Blind Ninja
Mastermind
CWE
Godfather
This too...
CWE the Fortune teller.
We demon hunting boys!!!
N1... Claws and 3pups. Both inno...
N2...Psycho and Nightmare Queen Miko. Both inno.
N3...Matthieu and Listo. Both inno.
Remaining alive unchecked
Xanjori
Blind Ninja
Dead unchecked
MTR
Grumpy
All that's left...
...
Unless I'm the drunk...then
Or, you could have been poisoned on any or all of these nights.
And don't forget that BN has claimed to be washerwoman
I have convinced myself that Foxxi assigned NQM the role of the virgin. In other games, Foxxi has admitted to trying to figure out LDG, as her reaction to being accused of being scum when she's not, is often an overreaction.
Listo shared his role with me. Xan hinted and I think I figured it out
I am more likely looking at Matthieu.
Blind Ninja
Mastermind
Blind Ninja
Mastermind
Blind Ninja
Mastermind
Blind Ninja
Mastermind
Why are you leaning Matt over Listo, Xan, or anyone else?
Listo shared the role with me, and it is plausible, and if I am not the drunk myself, then Xan has a 50% of being the drunk.
Blind Ninja
Mastermind
So you think, given the role of librarian and know that the drunk is in play... that you could potentially be the drunk?
Since I was told the drunk is in play, unless I was poisoned which could mean anything, the drunk is in play. I was given the librarian role, which would mean I would find out the role of one of two players.
But if I was actually given the drunk, then I could have been given any information, true or false.
So I cannot exclude the possibility that I am the drunk.
Even though I just love the idea that Foxxi gave CWE the drunk role.
GrumpyCat
Mastermind
But if 3pups is drunk then CWE results are real?
Unless there is poisoner that is not LDG that got CWE come night?
But that makes you or Xan demon ;p
EBWOP, I think this does mean that the Drunk cannot be anyone other than me, Xanjori, or CWE, but I am not 100% sure as I might be a poisoned librarian, but that would mean the poisoner exists, AND that I would have to have been the one targeted.
