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House of MTR Episode 1: The Not-so-Civil War

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listo (1) - vk
jarrod (6)- cwe, bn, psych, lletty, mitch, tildey
claws (5)- future, listo, jarrod, mtr, diva

Thats hammer. Please hold all posposting
Robo (7)- Val, CWE. GC, jarrod, diva, mitchrapp, bn
Future (2)- claws, mtr
claws (1) - listo
mtr (2)- future, tildey

As the various members of the house journeyed towards Cleveland, one was more enthusiastic than all. Boimler had never been on adventure to Hell.


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"I wonder if it's going to be like when Picard confronted Ardra and proved that she wasn't the devil! Maybe Robot Devil was never the devil and Listo is just in a prison of his own belief".

Eventually, everyone got annoyed and told him to sit this one out.

Meanwhile, Listo sat in his very real Hell Prison.


Robo has been eliminated

Robo
was Boimler-EN Watcher



Begin Night 2
People on the Claws vote that were also not on robo are on my suspect list.
 

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Since I don’t believe there was a busdrive, and therefore don’t believe Claws was being targeted by scum team (even IF Claws was town, targeting Claws is such a bad idea anyways if you have a guy claiming he is scum, especially when CWE a much better target than fucking Claws of all people)

Therefore I stand by what I said.
What do you think Tildey did to CWE and Claws then?
 

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Unless somebody can come out here and say that there was a bus drive or target switch. I’m curious as to why Claws/CWE are the targets of 98% of the actions in the write up
This sounds so scummy. Wanting people to out if their target was switched. Seems like you are fishing for TPR
 

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That isn’t how a bus drive works. Unless people all decided to target CWE/Claws for some reason.

Idk why we can’t follow the info. I have deets, I have cold hard evidence that Claws is not town. And you let him talk himself out of it. I’m not going to let that happen.
Let himself talk out of it... votes went dead at the end of the day and we barely got the 6 needed for hammer

Not to mention the other target we ended up lynching was scum.

Do you think both leading trains yesterday were scum?
 

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I wasnt too keep on Claws vote yesterday, but would have (and tried to hammer) before tildey hammered Jarrod.

Scum wouldnt target one of their own for a kill having seen a town bus happen earlier in the game. So im even less inclined to lynch claws now, even with your "deets"
 

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Unless somebody can come out here and say that there was a bus drive or target switch. I’m curious as to why Claws/CWE are the targets of 98% of the actions in the write up
it was a bus drive or some other action that switched players targets.
 

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I'm pretty sure Future is not scum

I know someone who maybe is, but it also makes me wonder if Future's info is just untrustworthy in general
 

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That isn’t how a bus drive works. Unless people all decided to target CWE/Claws for some reason.

Idk why we can’t follow the info. I have deets, I have cold hard evidence that Claws is not town. And you let him talk himself out of it. I’m not going to let that happen.
If CWE and Claws WERE bus driven, does that change anything about your info?
 

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Actually, I probably need to look at the writeup deeper because it looks like llettuce did some devilry in the writeup which might explain the weird double targets and the focus on CWE and Claws

But then why Waldo targeted CWE and me confuses the hell out of me
 

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Also, I'd love to hear thoughts on Void. No one has seemed to really make a read on them other than me.
 

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Actually, I probably need to look at the writeup deeper because it looks like llettuce did some devilry in the writeup which might explain the weird double targets and the focus on CWE and Claws

But then why Waldo targeted CWE and me confuses the hell out of me
So was that a second bus drive then? If so then CWE was driven around last night and you are claws were the scum target?
 

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Why would I suddenly try new scum tactics like fake info? I felt like I made myself so obvious I thought I was gonna get modkilled last phase
All you said last phase was you had deets and claim claws isnt town.

Why would that get you modkilled when others have done/said similar things.

And why would you try new tactics... maybe because your previous ones havent worked for you? Maybe you have someone on the scum team that is offering you more advice then I did last game. If you dont try new things while playing and remain stagnant, you become too easy to read. Maybe thinking you would try new things to improve at the game is giving you too much credit.
 

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Looks like the scum team ran out of ways to hide actions since there are actually more red names in last nights writeup.
 

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I'm not sure if scum Future claims fake info. It might be wrong, but I don't think its inherently scummy to want your own info checked out.

With others being confused about actions, I'd probably ponder how legit my results are since there were clearly some shenanigans at play. I'm ruined from when Foxxi gave me the paranoid cop. Single worst role in the game.
 

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Ok, reading the write up thoroughly, this line has to be what caused the weird targeting:

As Marcone rallied the house, LLettuce worked a particular bit of devilry. Regardless of whether hands were busy or idle, the devil's work would be done.


As the magic set in, the night now began.

I think it's also possible Marcone has something to do with the weirdness.

Every town person that we saw, their action targeted Claws, CWE, or both(and in one instance CWE and me for some reason?)

I think part of whatever happened is definitely a bus drive. Any town paying a lick of attention wouldn't fuck with CWE's actions and would not protect Claws. Yet 100 Fun Badger changed CWE's plans, and Regis stole his vote. Meanwhile, Diva seemingly protected Claws. So I think they meant to target the opposite person.

No, I don't think Tildey or Waldo bus drove anyone. I think whatever happened with lettuce"s action somehow made them target two people OR they were motivated somehow. That's the main part confusing me, especially since my name is in the mix during one action.

Part of me thinks maybe Mazer is obscuring who they town originally targeted by including both bus drive targets, but that doesn't explain all the people that targeted Claws or CWE individually, so it's probably not that.

Maybe lettuce had a mega bus drive and picked CWE/Claws as one pair and me and someone else as another pair and that's why Waldo targeted me and CWE.

Hard to say what exactly happened there without trying to ask Future some direct questions they probably can't answer, and even then it might not explain why he targeted two people and why I ended up in there.
 

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Maybe lettuce had a mega bus drive and picked CWE/Claws as one pair and me and someone else as another pair and that's why Waldo targeted me and CWE.
Wouldn't all four names be shown right near each other? Like most time Mazer does the mass drives? Sure it could be obscured, but it looks like two bus drive esque actions (two names), thought I tend to agree that in itself is strange.
 

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@ForgottenHold Let's assume you did get results on who your character targeted last night. Did you get the results you expected to get?

Double check with Mazer before you answer this. I don't want to get you in trouble, but it's pretty vital that I know your info is trustworthy (I trust that you're town, but being a paranoid cop isn't impossible)
 

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Wouldn't all four names be shown right near each other? Like most time Mazer does the mass drives? Sure it could be obscured, but it looks like two bus drive esque actions (two names), thought I tend to agree that in itself is strange.
That's the thing, I don't think we saw he actual bus drive action/targets. If you read Tildey and Waldo's actions and their previous actions, they seem to be doing some kind of investigation, not a bus drive. Meanwhile, it literally says lettuce is working "devilry". Mazer is an evolving beast. Town doesn't seem responsible for the bus drive.

Which would also make Claws not cleared
 

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Mmmm. Ok, I could maybe see where Tildey actually did bus drive there looking at posts, but I'm still heavily skeptical, nor does it explain why Waldo also targeted two people.
 

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That's the thing, I don't think we saw he actual bus drive action/targets. If you read Tildey and Waldo's actions and their previous actions, they seem to be doing some kind of investigation, not a bus drive. Meanwhile, it literally says lettuce is working "devilry". Mazer is an evolving beast. Town doesn't seem responsible for the bus drive.

Which would also make Claws not cleared
Depends if there is another JOAT, but I tend to agree. I didn't remember what Tildey did but Waldo I agree. Especially with the confusion surrounding it because of assumptions here.

Do you think its more likely it was two bus drives still but one scum done? Or that it was a mass drive just split into two separate drives to obscure?

For the record, I am absolutely stealing the latter now.
 

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Lol, what if Mitch/Void/Claws/Blind are all scum trying to convince us that town did the bus drive and therefore Claws is clear and half of them trying to push Future as scum for it?
 

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listo (1) - vk
jarrod (6)- cwe, bn, psych, lletty, mitch, tildey
claws (5)- future, listo, jarrod, mtr, diva

Thats hammer. Please hold all posting.
Maybe not Mitch. Arguably not bn because he DID try to switch to and hammer Claws so could be early distancing gone wrong maaaaybe if Claws is town.

Lettuce is probably ok off this, and I think Tildey hammering is a great look. Means a little less is Claws is also scum, but I expect a lot of scum would prefer to take out the dude with info against him than the one voted on a whim. Though I could get into WIFOM arguments about that, but I won't worry about it until we eventually see Claws' flip.
 

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I look at it at two separate actions. Both could be scum, just like I do proxy in my games though mostly thats for kills. From a game design perspective, games with roles like this could have two of the same role alternating, but both acting on the same night, from the same alignment, is interesting.
 

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Maybe not Mitch. Arguably not bn because he DID try to switch to and hammer Claws so could be early distancing gone wrong maaaaybe if Claws is town.

Lettuce is probably ok off this, and I think Tildey hammering is a great look. Means a little less is Claws is also scum, but I expect a lot of scum would prefer to take out the dude with info against him than the one voted on a whim. Though I could get into WIFOM arguments about that, but I won't worry about it until we eventually see Claws' flip.
Mitch is probably fine if we read the feelings behind the post.
 

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I look at it at two separate actions. Both could be scum, just like I do proxy in my games though mostly thats for kills. From a game design perspective, games with roles like this could have two of the same role alternating, but both acting on the same night, from the same alignment, is interesting.
What's two separate actions? You're saying the two people Tildey/Waldo targeted are two separate actions?
 

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What's two separate actions? You're saying the two people Tildey/Waldo targeted are two separate actions?
That is what I am wondering. Normally mass drives are showing all 4 names so you don't know who was driven to who. In this case, you can assume the people driven were driven to each other, though if it is two bus drives, they seemingly hit one another since both targeted CWE. If they did, how does that even resolve (I do conflicting redirections fail) so if Mazer does that then its a good idea that these weren't bus drives. And two bus drives, from town, on the same night? Maybe JOAT?

I just want it to be a scum action that is a mass drive hidden as two separate drives. I kinda like it from a gamerunner perspective.
 

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What feelings do you have on me reading feelings on Mitch :D
No, I have mixed feelings on your theory because I know what you're reading into, but for reasons I think it could be real emotion while still coming from scum that knows the truth.

I think you're scum.
 

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No, I have mixed feelings on your theory because I know what you're reading into, but for reasons I think it could be real emotion while still coming from scum that knows the truth.

I think you're scum.
Expected, tbh. I haven't done shit this game.

I just think its clear why Mitch is being adamant and why he was pissed off at the actions. And it explains a target I don't understand. And makes me think there is a bus drive.
 

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That is what I am wondering. Normally mass drives are showing all 4 names so you don't know who was driven to who. In this case, you can assume the people driven were driven to each other, though if it is two bus drives, they seemingly hit one another since both targeted CWE. If they did, how does that even resolve (I do conflicting redirections fail) so if Mazer does that then its a good idea that these weren't bus drives. And two bus drives, from town, on the same night? Maybe JOAT?

I just want it to be a scum action that is a mass drive hidden as two separate drives. I kinda like it from a gamerunner perspective.
Waldo should be a legit action. Should be obvious if you read between the lines of the last couple phases. So Tildey's action would have to be the one that's a fake scum action while something weird happened with Waldo.

Hilariously enough, I already have been tinfoiling that Tildey could actually be scum masquerading as town for what they seemingly did to me N2, but we'll touch on that another time.
 

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Expected, tbh. I haven't done shit this game.

I just think its clear why Mitch is being adamant and why he was pissed off at the actions. And it explains a target I don't understand. And makes me think there is a bus drive.
I think you may have completely missed the part where I know what you're getting at and think this can be true while also being scum.
 

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Now that's spicy. We me and Claws, and is that a dichotomy thing?
I don't see you both being scum. I have part future info, for Claws, and part you coming at me. Call it OMGUS, but today feels gross with you twisting my words. I like back and forth but you twisting things I say to seem scummy is irritating.
 

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The closest I've come to twisting your words is implying that you are paying more attention to actions then your posts indicate when I made the Mitch comment, but it genuinely read like you were arguing stuff that I said I already understood and missed my point that I think that could be true anyway if he's scum.

Especially when I'm not even directly pushing him right now. It feels like you're trying to defend him from the lightest bit of suspicion that I'm not even acting on.
 

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You're also the one that dragged out this conversation when I wanted to keep it subtle with my initial "reasons" comment, but instead you decided to bring out this extra attention on him and I don't see why it was necessary
 

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The closest I've come to twisting your words is implying that you are paying more attention to actions then your posts indicate when I made the Mitch comment, but it genuinely read like you were arguing stuff that I said I already understood and missed my point that I think that could be true anyway if he's scum.

Especially when I'm not even directly pushing him right now. It feels like you're trying to defend him from the lightest bit of suspicion that I'm not even acting on.
I'm defending him because he made a comment that makes me give him a character. We have to get this yeet right today or block a kill during the night if its 5. We have a little breathing room if its 4.

I wasn't actually arguing anything. I was giving you my thoughts on it. I wasn't like saying things could or could not happen.

The night as a whole is a fucking mess of possibilities. Stuff we can delve into for hours because of the theory behind the game building. Like I said earlier, can both of them even be bus drives? How would TWO bus drives interact if they target the same person? Each mod does it differently but that could definitely say they are not BOTH bus drives if they would normally fail.
 

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I'm defending him because he made a comment that makes me give him a character. We have to get this yeet right today or block a kill during the night if its 5. We have a little breathing room if its 4.

I wasn't actually arguing anything. I was giving you my thoughts on it. I wasn't like saying things could or could not happen.

The night as a whole is a fucking mess of possibilities. Stuff we can delve into for hours because of the theory behind the game building. Like I said earlier, can both of them even be bus drives? How would TWO bus drives interact if they target the same person? Each mod does it differently but that could definitely say they are not BOTH bus drives if they would normally fail.
I really really don't think it was two bus drives, and if you do, I think you should read Day 3 again and look at the N2 writeup and see where Waldo shouldn't be bus driving there

Yes, it could be some night action proxy/tomfoolery, but without disagreement from a certain someone, it should be legit, even if targeting two people doesn't make sense for them.
 

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I really really don't think it was two bus drives, and if you do, I think you should read Day 3 again and look at the N2 writeup and see where Waldo shouldn't be bus driving there

Yes, it could be some night action proxy/tomfoolery, but without disagreement from a certain someone, it should be legit, even if targeting two people doesn't make sense for them.
No, I understand that. It's why I was leaning proxy action, writeup addition, JOAT. I guess without further confirmation we can't be sure exactly what happened.

That is why I am confused you are saying Waldo is a real action and Tildey is fake. Unless you mean overall like Waldo is green and Tildey is fake green?
 

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No, I understand that. It's why I was leaning proxy action, writeup addition, JOAT. I guess without further confirmation we can't be sure exactly what happened.

That is why I am confused you are saying Waldo is a real action and Tildey is fake. Unless you mean overall like Waldo is green and Tildey is fake green?
Jack Nicholson Yes GIF
 

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To be clear, I'm not saying that's what happened for sure. It's a tinfoil at this point I'm not sure I'm ready to entertain
 

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Let's just say Tildey did something to me N2 that could make sense from probably one person playing this game, but would have most people familiar with me thinking wtf from a town perspective
 

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Trying to follow but im busy fixng a trailer today yesterday was really confusing why was everything tossed at me and cwe mega bus is what comes to my mind but odd why the 2 of us were chosen
 

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Who do you hate?
You mean other then mtr future lettuce tildey you know the usuals your not lookin too good yourself and listo is where?
Im a lil weary on mitch new player giving benifit of the doubt for town
Bn seems like good shit tho
 

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I have tossed Claws and Tildy in the clean bin.

Future and Listo are on my naughty list.

Blind Ninja, Psycho and Void I lean clean on.
 

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You mean other then mtr future lettuce tildey you know the usuals your not lookin too good yourself and listo is where?
Im a lil weary on mitch new player giving benifit of the doubt for town
Bn seems like good shit tho
Why Mitch? And why is BN good?

I get why on me and I have my own reasons on Listo. Did you just pick the rest of the less around people? :D
 

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Okay. Trying to catch up. Best I can tell there were two town bus drives last night and I wonder if in the process of trying to protect CWE the fact that two drives happened with him got him killed.

Also looks like that CWE was just a popular target last night after helping us nab scum last day phase. Yes I think red did something but not sure they caused a bunch of us to target CWE and claws. I think that just happened. But between the bus drives and whatever red did got CWE killed. The question to me is was he the original target. Scum have being kind of doing odd targets the first couple nights.
 

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Also, I'd love to hear thoughts on Void. No one has seemed to really make a read on them other than me.
I am neutral on void at the moment and neutral on most people at the moment. However red did target him last night but we have seen scum target themselves to try to give town cred to people.
 

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Depends if there is another JOAT, but I tend to agree. I didn't remember what Tildey did but Waldo I agree. Especially with the confusion surrounding it because of assumptions here.

Do you think its more likely it was two bus drives still but one scum done? Or that it was a mass drive just split into two separate drives to obscure?

For the record, I am absolutely stealing the latter now.
We have seen more than one JOAT in games so looking back at actions I think that is the case.
 

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I'm not sure if scum Future claims fake info. It might be wrong, but I don't think its inherently scummy to want your own info checked out.

With others being confused about actions, I'd probably ponder how legit my results are since there were clearly some shenanigans at play. I'm ruined from when Foxxi gave me the paranoid cop. Single worst role in the game.
At this point I might as well fake info if people think I got the drive to do it. I just want my info checked out. And I’m sticking to my guns
 

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Waldo should be a legit action. Should be obvious if you read between the lines of the last couple phases. So Tildey's action would have to be the one that's a fake scum action while something weird happened with Waldo.

Hilariously enough, I already have been tinfoiling that Tildey could actually be scum masquerading as town for what they seemingly did to me N2, but we'll touch on that another time.
So you don't think that there is anyway for there to be two town bus drives if we still have a JOAT or more than one JOAT out there. I think you are tinfoiling too hard here. I know we should watch out for weird stuff but also I worry that if we go out of our way looking for a traitor or fake actions or whatever we will just miss the obvious.

I don't think Tildey is was a fake action or that Tildey is scum reading as green.
 

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Let’s say, scum framed Claws and hid that action n2 or n1

And my info is wrong

Why would scum target Claws when they got a tpr to out themself? Why not target me?
 

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Let’s say, scum framed Claws and hid that action n2 or n1

And my info is wrong

Why would scum target Claws when they got a tpr to out themself? Why not target me?
Future, I want to trust your info

Does the writeup make sense to you based on what you know about what you did last night?

Did you get any weird results?

Please, this is vital, not just for Claws' sake
 

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Let's just say Tildey did something to me N2 that could make sense from probably one person playing this game, but would have most people familiar with me thinking wtf from a town perspective
What do you think Tildey did to you on N2?
 

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Trying to follow but im busy fixng a trailer today yesterday was really confusing why was everything tossed at me and cwe mega bus is what comes to my mind but odd why the 2 of us were chosen
You were the other train and people may or may not be believing the info that Future has and CWE helped nail a scum so I can see where people are trying to figure you out and trying to protect CWE in the various ways they have available to them.
 
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