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Christmas Mafia 4 (Mafia 30): The House of MTR 2-God Loves, MTR kills

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I've barely skimmed, but it sounded like marcone tried to kill morri? Though no clue why morri would be a scum target, or why he'd not be dead so maybe concrete shoes isn't a kill attempt
 

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Doesn't look like anyone tried to protect morri. Columbo or clause could be roleblock actions, but I'm not confident about it. It is curious that columbo was able to give mitch a cup of coffee if mitch is actually a hider though... I'd expect columbo not to be able to find his target?
 

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Not sure what the first bit of mab is, but sounds like the second part is a rolecop on psych which makes me lean him as town.. it's not unheard of for scum to fake target themselves, but it seems silly to waste that kind of action.
 

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Not sure what the first bit of mab is, but sounds like the second part is a rolecop on psych which makes me lean him as town.. it's not unheard of for scum to fake target themselves, but it seems silly to waste that kind of action.
Could be a rc so they can do the role kill i forget what mazer calls it
 

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Doesn't look like anyone tried to protect morri. Columbo or clause could be roleblock actions, but I'm not confident about it. It is curious that columbo was able to give mitch a cup of coffee if mitch is actually a hider though... I'd expect columbo not to be able to find his target?
I agree here i dont think youd beable to give a hider anything
 

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I'm finishing up at work rn. Looks like there was no kill, Diva got resurrected and Foxxi subbed in for Tildey? Seems like a banger of a night for town.

Foxxi, were you following the game at all before subbing in?
 

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Looks like I got some visitors tonight. I wonder what's up with that lol.

Gotta figure some stuff out. Of you visited me I advise not making it known unless you are actively targeted for elimination.
 

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I've barely skimmed, but it sounded like marcone tried to kill morri? Though no clue why morri would be a scum target, or why he'd not be dead so maybe concrete shoes isn't a kill attempt
How do you figure that? Is "concrete shoes" a metaphor for killing someone? lol me no hablo ingles

Marcone was out making other deals, and thought maybe he should get into the mail fraud business.

His night, however, was not done. He looked for Morrison and decided that he should be wearing concrete shoes.
 

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I was skim reading in my spare time. Mostly to yell at mazer when he failed at vote counts.

And no clue if there is any basis in fact, but giving someone concrete shoes and tossing them in a body of water is a way the mob would kill people in various fictions
 

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Well in case I get shot before I can out

I was informed that somebody used a killing action on me

And I'm pretty sure this person is MTR
 

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I was skim reading in my spare time. Mostly to yell at mazer when he failed at vote counts.

And no clue if there is any basis in fact, but giving someone concrete shoes and tossing them in a body of water is a way the mob would kill people in various fictions
Oh yeah that makes a lot of sense

I read it as Marcone decided that Marcone should be wearing concrete shoes and didn't understand the metaphor behind it
 

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Oh wait, I may have jumped the gun.

I think it's possible that MTR is mafia but it's also possible that he is town in my info.

My information isn't conclusive enough to be excited about it.
 

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I was just about to say... no red actions targeted you, so if someone shot you wouldn't that be town?
 

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Well

I think I'm yapping right now :D

But yeah 95% of the time MTR is lock town every time here and I think it's a pretty good thing for us to know.
 

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Like, say... someone firing in your general direction with a deadly weapon?

How did it make you feel?
 

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So why didn't you say it?

Are you mafia and were hoping I would lead the town astray?
I went to go double check the write up to make sure I wasn't mis-remembering because your name popped up like 7289 times and by the time I'd confirmed my memory you already got there.

And for your other question, I had a town lean on you from the skimming I'd done following along - mostly because you just felt too disjointed to have an agenda. And this bit about mtr reinforces that. I have a hard time seeing you as a wolf trying to condemn MTR and then immediately walking it back like that.
 

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Also had a town lean on psych from the previous day for whoever cares. Hadn't formed any solid thoughts on anyone else - other than thinking psych was prolly right about mitch's breadcrumbs being genuine. Though I'm leas sure with that write up now because someone was able to target mitch and that doesn't track with a hider role
 

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Nah, it can't be. Busses don't drive at tbus hour.

But then again. Why in the world would scum try to kill Morrison? And isn't it convenient that he somehow failed to die?
 

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Vote: MTR

You are outed mafia this will remain my final decision for the forseeable 3 minutes and 24 seconds
 

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Unvote: MTR

If there was a bus drive between me and morrison , then it would be even weirder for 3 people to target morrison and end up on me. I don't think that's the answer.
 

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I don't see anything that looked like a bus drive, and nothing that targeted both of you specifically for it even if it didn't sound like a drive, so unless it was hidden I doubt it. But that gets into a whole other can of worms, because there are already a crap ton of red names there - if there was another that acted that isn't shown, that's a lot of wolves
 

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Then again, I don't think there's been any evidence of a 3p yet, so maybe it is just mafia heavy?
 

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BTW @MTR I don't need you to say anything about your role here. I know what a town case and a scum case about your role looks like so it doesn't really require your input. Just more so looking for other pieces to add to the picture to help me decide which one it is definitively.

But I'm currently leaning towards MTR being town.
 

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BTW @MTR I don't need you to say anything about your role here. I know what a town case and a scum case about your role looks like so it doesn't really require your input. Just more so looking for other pieces to add to the picture to help me decide which one it is definitively.

But I'm currently leaning towards MTR being town.
Are you feeling ok
 

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From what I can gather:

Character Divasmurf roleblocked MTR
Character Listo docced Insaner
Character Columbo roleblocked Mitch
Character Jackie Daytona did something to Blind Ninja
Character Jesse Spencer watched Insaner
Character Harry Dresden roleblocked or docced Insaner
Character Lletty did something to Dreyski
Scum character Mab tracked Psycho
Scum character Not Suspicious Future did something to Listo
Scum character DanHausen roleblocked Claws
Scum character MTR attacked Listo (hit a doc protect or a BPV?)Scum character Voidkitten tracked lletty and roleblocked clawsout
Scum character Marcone did something to Morisson
 

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I believe that MTR and Val have mafia equity together for *reasons*

I believe that MTR has mafia equity with Satsu because of MTR's lack of mention of Satsu and his avoidance of his wagon on D2

And my info is confusing the hell out of me currently.
 

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Lol

You're the one who just told everyone what you did

I just spelled it out more clearly do that even the inattentive would get jf
 

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Claws said his action wasn't shown I think, so he's not any of the shown characters I'd assume. Unless he's lying anyway.
 

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Sure sounded like it.

Anyway, that was my interpretation.

But if I am wrong then I don't understand what you are angry about.

Sounds like you should unvote me now, to maintain plausible deniability
 

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Vote: saner

Policy lynch idc if hes town or scum
I am trying to be helpful here, by seeking clarity and providing clarity to make it easier for people to be on the same page.

And you are saying it is your policy to Lynch me for this kind of gameplay?

Not sure I understand why you have this policy or why you think it's in your interest to implement it.
 

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You do know if i get shot while you hide behind me you die aswell right
Dice Vegas GIF by The Weeknd
 

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Well, it could be worse. At least it doesn't seem like Claws is in possession of a gun this game.
 

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Like that game where Claws shot the most obvious town Satsu

I thought Satsu would be such a high value target for scum that I protected him om that night
 

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It's a possibility that I have in my possession enough information to prove that MTR is near 100% to be mafia

But I am too lazy and stupid so I can probably see only 50% of it right now
 

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I'll think about it tomorrow (a day off!) once we hopefully have more people check in. I don't want to share more until I hear other people speak.
 

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just trying to work out what Lletty did to me, whether it was Hide, Watch/Track or some kind of role modifier. I have received no info to suggest that, so just as an experiment...
Vote: Satsu
 

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From what I can gather:

Character Divasmurf roleblocked MTR
Character Listo docced Insaner
Character Columbo roleblocked Mitch
Character Jackie Daytona did something to Blind Ninja
Character Jesse Spencer watched Insaner
Character Harry Dresden roleblocked or docced Insaner
Character Lletty did something to Dreyski
Scum character Mab tracked Psycho
Scum character Not Suspicious Future did something to Listo
Scum character DanHausen roleblocked Claws
Scum character MTR attacked Listo (hit a doc protect or a BPV?)Scum character Voidkitten tracked lletty and roleblocked clawsout
Scum character Marcone did something to Morisson
I know it's role madness but that's an awful lot of roleblocks.
 

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To anyone who will be catching up on this and trying to sort through this mess that I made.

Be advised that I wasn't even told definitively what my role even does so please halt your judgement at least a little bit lol
 

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I dunno what numbers you're looking at, but unless MTR had an action that didn't show in the write up I don't see how he could be scum? There were 6 red actions and none of them targeted you.

Unless I'm misunderstanding why you think he's scum... I don't get it.
 
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