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Christmas Mafia 4 (Mafia 30): The House of MTR 2-God Loves, MTR kills

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Satsu's posts feel so uninspired. I remember him being one of the more proactive voices in the last couple of games I played with him. Here he just...exists, without doing anything

Mitch's posts definitely have "randed mafia energy" as well.
I feel this with Satsu. I think you said something about how they seem loose-lipped in a way that's like they have nothing better to talk about so they're just flapping the gums about whatever, and I resonated with that

Don't have much opinion on Mitch yet
 

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Val in post 378 seemed very insistent. Would he happy getting yeeted if Psycho flips town?
Val has done this before for frivolous reasons

If Val has any info that makes them think they're right, they're drastically wrong and making a mistake chopping me
 

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I'm cautiously deciding that Insaner is actually trying to help town and not doing his thing where he fluffs a bunch of solving. It's hard to say yet, and him opting to townread me so early makes me somewhat uneasy, but so far I can't shake generally good vibes from his posts. I think what really stood out was the way he was bouncing off his thoughts about Satsu and Dreyski, especially the way he came to sort of liking Drey while still playfully calling him evil
 

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Kill me if you want. I’m town. Doing Christmas stuff and just don’t have time to actually post until it’s all done.

Excuse or not. I don’t actually care <3
He's not getting a full game pass for this, but I almost want to believe this is legit(the Christmas part is obviously, but specifically the "I'm town I don't care")
 

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Honestly, I'm more inclined to believe Mitch's claim than not. Especially because Jackie Daytona was a hider in the previous game which adds a lot of plausibility. Plus I don't get why Mitch would play so certain about the role when he knows he could be easily called out for false claiming.
 

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I'm eery about you not catching what Mitch's claim was despite seemingly being so attentive. I think the wording in the write-up (he would be damned if he would see harm come to Tildey) as well as Mitch's hints make it extremely clear that he is in fact claiming hider. So you not only not catching it but also going along with Future's misinterpretation to shade LDG isn't a good look.
I bookmarked both the post about going after lurkers because Mazer is bluffing and that post about targeting LDG as reading manipulative, so you're speaking my language
 

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I can follow your thought process here, but I just dont fell likes it the truth for Mitch. And if it is, that he has crumbed and let slip his role, we should see him dead. If he doesnt die, all the more reason to feel he is scum imo.

No sure why I pulled this satsu quote, other then to maybe respond to him about the back and forth with Insaner. I agree, the line in the writeup about Tildey could be multiple things. Could be a JK, could be a doc, could be a BG. All would protect them from harm if Tildey was a target.
Why would we see Mitch dead if he is telling the truth? This is the kind of hinting that is pretty in line with what's accepted on Rajah, so I wouldn't be surprised if Mazer let it slip.

Something about this post doesn't sit right with me
 

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I dont trust Mitch with how he is playing.

D1 was random voting with no explination and his "This is partly right" to


Why would you be scared to post on D1, unless afraid to get caught... he is experienced enough to be able to D1 and not scum spew. I just took the partly true part as him hiding in scum chat.


Then came his playing dumb about "what does docced mean" Come on man.

Thinks just dont add up when it comes to Mitch right now

If he was trying to play, without being noticed, he failed. If he was trying to not bring attention to himself with his play, he failed.
This is pretty reach-y if you ask me. I don't think Mitch was intentionally playing dumb about the doc thing.

I also think all the pieces of him hinting at being a hider lineup
 

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What are the odds all the people trying to hang on Mitch for the claim are scum? (To be fair, I think it's just Satsu and Blind, but it remains true)
 

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Insaner and BN are right that with the list of roles Mitch might be, he wouldn’t know if it was a doc action
This feels like...a weird Mafia move, where you're trying to engage with the big discussion, but not actually caring to read about it or understand the nuance. Future could be town who doesn't care to read everything, but I don't think he'd go so far as agreeing with two people who are essentially arguing two different points
 

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Sadly, while the wagon on me is misguided, I don't get many scum vibes from the people voting there. People probably think Val has info, and I think most scum would be more cautious about just hoping on to a train with no stated justification
 

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Welp, I'm caught up now, so I'm around. I would hope I won't die from such a wasteful wagon, but if I do go, just know that I don't think the wagon has a lot of scum.

I could also just be dead wrong about that, but that's how it's feeling right now
 

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In the meantime, I'd love thoughts on BN, Satsu, and Future

Elsewise I'm gonna shut up now because I feel like I'm clogging the thread
 

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@morrison 0 posts, past the normal d2 cutoff. Gonna play?

@llettuce 1 post. posted friday and not since.
@Tildey 1 post. Said They would post more, yet nowhere to be seen. that halfday tuesday and few days off have resulted in no effort.

@Listo95 6 posts. So technically under the 5 posts a phase recommendation. still low effort.
It’s almost like I’m retail during a holiday :D
Only thing with this is there were 9 names, only 8 actions, and if 3pups was one of them, he must not have acted that night. Which seems unlikely with a neighoborizer ability, unless there are restrictions we aren't privy to
I knew there was a reason ghat theory felt off to me.
 

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In the meantime, I'd love thoughts on BN, Satsu, and Future

Elsewise I'm gonna shut up now because I feel like I'm clogging the thread
With 9 people voting and spread... and so many inactive, I doubt we have enough to get a successful lynch in the next 4-5ish hrs.

Whats your take on the MIA players or the house?
 

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I would like to know why Mitch and Dreyski are voting Psycho of all people.

My own vote was just a reaction to Val's post but I intended to switch. I maintain my Psycho town read.

I've been generally vibing with both Future's and BN's posts so Psycho coming away with the opposite feeling is interesting to me. It is possible I have a blindspot here since some of the things they've said happened to align with my own views. But then again BN did disagree with my take on Dreyski on D1 so it's not like he just straight up pocketing me here. He has also been prodding people in reasonable way and it does feel like he is trying to get this game closer to being solved.

My reasoning against Mitch is why doesn't he get mk'ed for what seems like a clear hint. And two there is just absolutely nothing towny about his posts outside of his claim. But idk if that sort of thing is normally modkillable here or not and also if he's lying then somebody here definitely knows about it so...

Vote: Satsu

Satsu or Dreyski IMO

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@PsychoSoldier Ill assure you im not scum. Misguided town and not believing Mitch or trusting his effort this game.
I'll take your word for it for now, especially because not sure scum you would go the effort of pinging me
With 9 people voting and spread... and so many inactive, I doubt we have enough to get a successful lynch in the next 4-5ish hrs.

Whats your take on the MIA players or the house?
I don't have a strong feeling on the MIA players. I think there's probably at least one scum there, but not enough for me to feel strongly about purging through them.

I actively think Future is looking scummy. I kind of liked llettuce's start on a basic gut level for no real good reason, but I don't think she's posted much since, or even at all this phase? MTR seems a bit lacking, but he also can be that way early on. I'd like to see what he does with his playful suspicion of Future, especially if I'm right about Future being red. And Tildey is too MIA for me to feel anything about her so far.
 

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I'll take your word for it for now, especially because not sure scum you would go the effort of pinging me

I don't have a strong feeling on the MIA players. I think there's probably at least one scum there, but not enough for me to feel strongly about purging through them.

I actively think Future is looking scummy. I kind of liked llettuce's start on a basic gut level for no real good reason, but I don't think she's posted much since, or even at all this phase? MTR seems a bit lacking, but he also can be that way early on. I'd like to see what he does with his playful suspicion of Future, especially if I'm right about Future being red. And Tildey is too MIA for me to feel anything about her so far.
llettuce posted once on Friday (day 1) and nothing since.
Tildey posted Monday saying 1/2 day Tuesday and few days off after... with nothing since.

MTR has been lacking the later half of this phase.

Future is around and trying to look active. I see future like claws, almost always scummy.
 

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Welp I work 14hr shifts till New Years Eve so not gonna stick around too long

So

gl village as they say
 

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I would like to know why Mitch and Dreyski are voting Psycho of all people.

My own vote was just a reaction to Val's post but I intended to switch. I maintain my Psycho town read.

I've been generally vibing with both Future's and BN's posts so Psycho coming away with the opposite feeling is interesting to me. It is possible I have a blindspot here since some of the things they've said happened to align with my own views. But then again BN did disagree with my take on Dreyski on D1 so it's not like he just straight up pocketing me here. He has also been prodding people in reasonable way and it does feel like he is trying to get this game closer to being solved.

My reasoning against Mitch is why doesn't he get mk'ed for what seems like a clear hint. And two there is just absolutely nothing towny about his posts outside of his claim. But idk if that sort of thing is normally modkillable here or not and also if he's lying then somebody here definitely knows about it so...

Vote: Satsu

Satsu or Dreyski IMO

Can hider safely hide behind a mafia player by the way?
For what it's worth, I don't feel as strongly about the BN read. We usually have a bit of a rocky start where I can't fully trust him until some hard proof comes in. What struck me was the way he was handling Mitch's claim which felt a bit one-dimensionally focused on painting Mitch as scum, but not so much I wanted to hang him right there.

I feel pretty strongly that Future's posting came off as scummy. Particularly the one where he agreed with you and BN about Mitch when you both have fairly different stances. At least enough that Future agreeing with you two comes off more like someone that just saw you and BN being the most talkative about it and just wanted to look like they were getting involved in an important discussion without actually caring about the details.

When it comes to modkilling, Rajah has a tendency to let a thing or two slide, and even though Mazer is stricter than others, I could see him having let Mitch slip with a warning this time considering the context of why it was brought up. It's also possible Mazer just hasn't had a chance to actually read the game with the holidays.

I don't want to get too into the weeds about whether or not Mazer would/should modkill, but even without that, I think Mitch's behavior and the circumstances around the claim makes it seem more legit than a ploy. Like why even bring attention to himself like that if he's faking?
 

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I would like to know why Mitch and Dreyski are voting Psycho of all people.

My own vote was just a reaction to Val's post but I intended to switch. I maintain my Psycho town read.

I've been generally vibing with both Future's and BN's posts so Psycho coming away with the opposite feeling is interesting to me. It is possible I have a blindspot here since some of the things they've said happened to align with my own views. But then again BN did disagree with my take on Dreyski on D1 so it's not like he just straight up pocketing me here. He has also been prodding people in reasonable way and it does feel like he is trying to get this game closer to being solved.

My reasoning against Mitch is why doesn't he get mk'ed for what seems like a clear hint. And two there is just absolutely nothing towny about his posts outside of his claim. But idk if that sort of thing is normally modkillable here or not and also if he's lying then somebody here definitely knows about it so...

Vote: Satsu

Satsu or Dreyski IMO

Can hider safely hide behind a mafia player by the way?
Mazer tends to use the "Dies if hides behind a player using a kill that night" or similar variation of "Must have the capacity to kill"
 

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Makes it so hiders can't just focus on one person, and then when they die the following night, we know who they hid behind and that they're scum.
 

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For what it's worth, I don't feel as strongly about the BN read. We usually have a bit of a rocky start where I can't fully trust him until some hard proof comes in. What struck me was the way he was handling Mitch's claim which felt a bit one-dimensionally focused on painting Mitch as scum, but not so much I wanted to hang him right there.

I feel pretty strongly that Future's posting came off as scummy. Particularly the one where he agreed with you and BN about Mitch when you both have fairly different stances. At least enough that Future agreeing with you two comes off more like someone that just saw you and BN being the most talkative about it and just wanted to look like they were getting involved in an important discussion without actually caring about the details.

When it comes to modkilling, Rajah has a tendency to let a thing or two slide, and even though Mazer is stricter than others, I could see him having let Mitch slip with a warning this time considering the context of why it was brought up. It's also possible Mazer just hasn't had a chance to actually read the game with the holidays.

I don't want to get too into the weeds about whether or not Mazer would/should modkill, but even without that, I think Mitch's behavior and the circumstances around the claim makes it seem more legit than a ploy. Like why even bring attention to himself like that if he's faking?
I know not addressed to me, but my issue with Mitch is less his claim and more his effort into the game. For all intents, he is one of the lurker IMO. Making bare minimum posts, without doing/saying much.

So more of an attempt to get more input from him, then pushing for a lynch.

Im not set on voting him, so my vote is willing to move.
 

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For what it's worth, I don't feel as strongly about the BN read. We usually have a bit of a rocky start where I can't fully trust him until some hard proof comes in. What struck me was the way he was handling Mitch's claim which felt a bit one-dimensionally focused on painting Mitch as scum, but not so much I wanted to hang him right there.

I feel pretty strongly that Future's posting came off as scummy. Particularly the one where he agreed with you and BN about Mitch when you both have fairly different stances. At least enough that Future agreeing with you two comes off more like someone that just saw you and BN being the most talkative about it and just wanted to look like they were getting involved in an important discussion without actually caring about the details.

When it comes to modkilling, Rajah has a tendency to let a thing or two slide, and even though Mazer is stricter than others, I could see him having let Mitch slip with a warning this time considering the context of why it was brought up. It's also possible Mazer just hasn't had a chance to actually read the game with the holidays.

I don't want to get too into the weeds about whether or not Mazer would/should modkill, but even without that, I think Mitch's behavior and the circumstances around the claim makes it seem more legit than a ploy. Like why even bring attention to himself like that if he's faking?
The reasoning I have in my head is because Mitch is a frozen wolf who doesn't know how to post so he tried to invent a fake claim for people to let him slide and then lucked himself into an actual viable claim. This idea is informed by a previous experience I had with Mitch where he was scum and his team got narrowed down thanks to most of the town claiming quite early on so this would be a compelling character development arc.

Now that you mention it though, Mitch simply telling the truth about his role does sound like a less convoluted scenario. I don't think the circumstances are right to go after him today.
 

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Mazer tends to use the "Dies if hides behind a player using a kill that night" or similar variation of "Must have the capacity to kill"

Makes it so hiders can't just focus on one person, and then when they die the following night, we know who they hid behind and that they're scum.
Guess there could be limits like docs, cannot hide behind same person consecutive nights... or must pick new person to hide behind until all living players have been picked once. But thats more game design then anything. Would suck if hider finds 1 safe person and just sits there all game.
 

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The reasoning I have in my head is because Mitch is a frozen wolf who doesn't know how to post so he tried to invent a fake claim for people to let him slide and then lucked himself into an actual viable claim. This idea is informed by a previous experience I had with Mitch where he was scum and his team got narrowed down thanks to most of the town claiming quite early on so this would be a compelling character development arc.

Now that you mention it though, Mitch simply telling the truth about his role does sound like a less convoluted scenario. I don't think the circumstances are right to go after him today.
From my image of Mitch, I don't think it's unlikely that he WOULD pull a ploy like that. I just don't fully see the timing or the motivation as checking out, when him just being the hider feels like the overwhelming simplest solution.
 

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I know not addressed to me, but my issue with Mitch is less his claim and more his effort into the game. For all intents, he is one of the lurker IMO. Making bare minimum posts, without doing/saying much.

So more of an attempt to get more input from him, then pushing for a lynch.

Im not set on voting him, so my vote is willing to move.
I think this is fair as he's been pretty low-key when he's usually less so. If it weren't for the claim I'd probably have him as a likely target, the claim just lines up enough for me to believe it's true.

That said, I would love to hear more from him.
 

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You know what, sure

Vote: Future

Just skimmed the ISO and it's not as good as I remember it

But I am insanely bearish on Satsu right now still
 

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From my image of Mitch, I don't think it's unlikely that he WOULD pull a ploy like that. I just don't fully see the timing or the motivation as checking out, when him just being the hider feels like the overwhelming simplest solution.
I just dont trust him based on other games ive seen him play. Even the game where he got recruited and was left with badger. He put in more effort. So this lack of effort seems way out of the norm. Feels like he is letting us put things together and hiding behind our words.
 

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I just dont trust him based on other games ive seen him play. Even the game where he got recruited and was left with badger. He put in more effort. So this lack of effort seems way out of the norm. Feels like he is letting us put things together and hiding behind our words.
I struggle to understand why Mitch wouldn't put in more effort as well.
 

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You know what, sure

Vote: Future

Just skimmed the ISO and it's not as good as I remember it

But I am insanely bearish on Satsu right now still
I'm just as happy to chop Satsu, but for the sake of time and actually hitting hammer

Unvote: Satsu/UNVOTE]
Vote: Future
 

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Actually. Just re-read Dreyski and I think his solving around the Lucifer action is indeed solid. The only question mark I have right now is why he voted Psycho.
 

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Harry Dresden had always been a man of action. Using his detective skills, he decided it was time to take aim. And future was his target.

Sadly, when the smoke cleared, he realized his error. The matriarch had been taken off the board.

Future has been eliminated. He was
Tildey-Town Joat
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Feels like he just picked one of the names in the Luci action
It's more like how he came from saying "I know one of Vals's interpretations is wrong" to putting that theory together to actually justifying his choice for a vote. Don't like him changing vote to Psycho.

I think that Mitch and Dreyski have scum equity just based on how aggressively that team would have to be fakeclaiming here... But I'm not as bearish against each of them on their own.
 

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Harry Dresden had always been a man of action. Using his detective skills, he decided it was time to take aim. And future was his target.

Sadly, when the smoke cleared, he realized his error. The matriarch had been taken off the board.

Future has been eliminated. He was
Tildey-Town Joat
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Could he worse. I was worried they were about to flip Psycho.

Vote: Satsu

Look at me. I'm the captain now.
 

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Actually. Just re-read Dreyski and I think his solving around the Lucifer action is indeed solid. The only question mark I have right now is why he voted Psycho.
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Harry Dresden had always been a man of action. Using his detective skills, he decided it was time to take aim. And future was his target.

Sadly, when the smoke cleared, he realized his error. The matriarch had been taken off the board.

Future has been eliminated. He was
Tildey-Town Joat
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Welp
 

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Actually. Just re-read Dreyski and I think his solving around the Lucifer action is indeed solid. The only question mark I have right now is why he voted Psycho.
Drey is Rajah original so I assumed he took Val's screaming as claiming to have info. I think the Lucifer solving and everything around that time came from a pure place though.
 

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Kicking off in 15 mins, but the big game people are waiting for is 4th January - East Lancs/cotton mill derby, at Ewood. Probably an early kick-off, so I don't know what time that would be at your end.
I slept through today's game. Hmm... I will check the time on that Jan 4th game but I may still be watching Wrestle Kingdom if it is an early one
 

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psycho (4)- val, mitch, LDG, drey
void (2)- claws ,satsu
morrri (1) - matt
Tildey (1) - bn
Satsu (1)- insaner
 
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I would like to know why Mitch and Dreyski are voting Psycho of all people.

Can hider safely hide behind a mafia player by the way?
1. I was mainly sheeping Val, the way his post was worded convinced me he had info we weren't privy to. I think Psycho already nailed this.

Unvote:

2. Mazer's hiders tned to be safe unless their targets kill/are killed. (as Courage the cowardly dog, I have experience of this). Not how I run my own hiders, but YMMV.
 

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Hopefully if you've had to work Christmas Day, you were suitably compensated.
On reading back, that Psycho train looks dodgy as fook.

Vote: Satsu
 

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Hopefully if you've had to work Christmas Day, you were suitably compensated.
On reading back, that Psycho train looks dodgy as fook.

Vote: Satsu
We are orthodox. Our Christmas is on Jan 7 and our main holiday is the New Years's Eve .

Money is good but I wouldn't have chosen to work this much if it were up to me lol
 

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I'm familar with the religion & culture (wife is Ukrainian orthodox) and we'll probably be celebrating this time round, especially seeing as we've both been under the weather all this week.
 

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Damn. Down another family member. Ugh. Okay need to finish going through things. Dogs being a bit of pain at the moment.
 

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Sucks that he was also a JOAT. I mean I went after him day one but me and him always do that. Starting day 2 I only go after him if I actually think he is scum.
 

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Town reading Psycho at this point and not quite sure why the votes. I mean I could be wrong Psycho is one I have trouble reading at times.

I am leaning town on Insaner but I really struggle to read him as well.

I am going back and forth on Mitch at the moment. Just not sure what to think but just rubbing me wrong

Okay that is a few quick thoughts as I am going back and reading things again
 

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By the way Future is currently saying some very colorful things about whoever shot him as he is waking up and getting going for the day and realized he is dead.
 

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Don't think we are going to hit a majority. That sucks. I am as much of the problem as anyone.

Why the votes on Satsu? Just curious
 

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Okay I am going to get a vote in real quick before I get off of here for the day. We need to make sure to nail a scum the next day phase.

Vote: mitch
 

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5 - Satsu: Insaner(460), Psych(475), claws(480), Drey(482), listo(495)
3 - Psych: Val(273), Mitch(381), LDG(386),
1 - Void: Satsu(355),
1 - Morri: Matthieu(394)
1 - Tildey: BN(451)
1 - Mitch: MTR(494)

Not voting: morri, void, lettuce, tildey

Violina mourned the loss of Tildey. She knew what a great burden would fall on the children now. Would they be strong enough to oppose their father?

Meanwhile
Voidkitten's hacking efforts continued to bear fruit. He'd launched a social media campaign that he thought had an 80% chance to lead to the twittersphere believing Lindsay Lohan was keeping a real life burn book on her holiday movie co-stars. One more set of Christmas movies would soon be removed from Netflix. He hoped that this would impress his betrothed.

With
Tildey incapacitated and Mab's plan progressing, the winter air seemed to be turning ever colder.


Begin night 2. Please submit actions by 3pm CST tomorrow. FYI - I'm flying tomorrow afternoon/evening. If I can post results from the plane I will, but this phase may not kick off until Saturday morning.
 
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