Mafia 22: <Insert Title Here>

[VoidKitten]

Honestly, makes sense for this kind of game. It's info, but not direct info.

Well done.

 

[MitchRapp]

Reading up on this role now. So is Matthieu saying you either left or were visited? I have not seen this role before.

 

[VoidKitten]

Reading up on this role now. So is Matthieu saying you either left or were visited? I have not seen this role before.

Yup. I've used it before. Its like Voyeur in terms of less used roles because the other ones (tracker, watcher, cop, etc) are more direct results than Voyeur or Motion Detector.

 

[MitchRapp]

Alright so did you go somewhere or did someone come to you?

 

[VoidKitten]

If what i understand to be true is actually true, then that means only one of four people did the kill on CWE.

 

[VoidKitten]

Alright so did you go somewhere or did someone come to you?

Well, I mean. I wouldn't know if someone came to visit me :D

 

[VoidKitten]

Claws, Mitch, Windward, or Blind Ninja killed CWE.

 

[MitchRapp]

Well, I mean. I wouldn't know if someone came to visit me :D

Well you would know that to be the case if you didn't go somewhere.

 

[MitchRapp]

Claws, Mitch, Windward, or Blind Ninja killed CWE.

If I were mafia, there is zero chance I flipped from Badger to Val at the last moment to kill scum and leave town. (If you assume Badger is town)

If you assume Badger is scum then I promise you if I was scum with those two and I had to pick someone to work with and one to go I wouldn't choose to do it with Badger again.

Badger is the most likely mafia left. Once he is confirmed it should be pretty easy to connect the dots to the last one. Right now with your info and last night's vote I think its Blind Ninja.

 

[VoidKitten]

Well you would know that to be the case if you didn't go somewhere.

oh duh. that's true lmao

 

[VoidKitten]

If I were mafia, there is zero chance I flipped from Badger to Val at the last moment to kill scum and leave town. (If you assume Badger is town)

If you assume Badger is scum then I promise you if I was scum with those two and I had to pick someone to work with and one to go I wouldn't choose to do it with Badger again.

Badger is the most likely mafia left. Once he is confirmed it should be pretty easy to connect the dots to the last one. Right now with your info and last night's vote I think its Blind Ninja.

Badger did not kill CWE. I just said that.

He could be scum if theres 3. I don't disagree that he he has been sus. But i don't think he has CWE's blood all over him.

 

[VoidKitten]

I am saying, assuming what actions were correlated by people (unless the scum team is precisely Matthieu and Satsu), then the kill happened in those 4 names regardless of that.

 

[Satsu]

If what i understand to be true is actually true, then that means only one of four people did the kill on CWE.

Why couldnt badger do do i miss something?

 

[Satsu]

I see now i missed something no need for reply

 

[MitchRapp]

Badger did not kill CWE. I just said that.

He could be scum if theres 3. I don't disagree that he he has been sus. But i don't think he has CWE's blood all over him.

I am not saying that he did the kill. I am saying I like him most of all for being on the scum team and it should be easy enough to figure out the last person form there.

 

[MitchRapp]

A bird in the hand vs two in the bush so to speak.

 

[VoidKitten]

I see now i missed something no need for reply

Nope. I've been vague.

 

[Satsu]

So scum are badger mitch. That was a nice performance

 

[MitchRapp]

Wrong

 

[Satsu]

Ok lets find out. For cwe legacy.

Vote: Badger

 

[WindwardAway]

Or 2 and a traitor

Yeah that's basically a 9/3 setup

 

[Satsu]

unless the scum team is precisely Matthieu and Satsu), then

Yeah i voted val out he was in a way between me and matt

 

[WindwardAway]

You were being pedantic, trying to show how smart you were and drag your feet until the last second. You had 48 hours to pull the trigger and wanted to wait until the final moments. Spare me the drama, I had no interest in you allowing this to go to a rerand again. Tough decisions had to be made and I made them because you wouldn't.

He still had like an hour before the 48-hour mark, we could've afforded a few more minutes at least before hammering.

 

[WindwardAway]

Did anyone get a fruit yet? If fruit vendor was replaced by tracker and numbers went up theres got to be 3 scum right?

I haven't received anything since the rerand.

 

[Badger]

So hold on, you want to vote me and yet Void’s provided info that it’s one of four that killed CWE that’s not me?

Yeah okay then. Wouldn’t it be more logical to test/yeet one of the other four?

I mean do it if you want but you’ll soon see I live in a pineapple under the sea. Spongebadge Squarepants

 

[WindwardAway]

If the tracker is real, I am tending to believe its 3 scum total.

I don't believe matthieu as town would actually have tracked Satsu.

 

[Satsu]

So hold on, you want to vote me and yet Void’s provided info that it’s one of four that killed CWE that’s not me?

Yeah sure I will go my read before void info.

 

[WindwardAway]

Matthieu blinked in surprise as the villager who called himself 'Voidkitten' approached him. He could only wonder if he was the only one in town with a normal name - though the stray thought was soon pushed aside.

"On ISOing you, it seems like you claimed tracker early on (which if true is fucking funny) and asked me where I went. So where did I go? If you confirm that then i guess I can begrudgingly believe you." Voidkitten declared with no small amount of pride.

Matthieu forced himself to display a tolerant smile. ISOing? What the hell did that even mean? Still, the guy was probably drunk - maybe it was his way of coping with the murders in the strange little town.

"I just happened to pass by the night before last. I heard your door open and then close. So you either left your house...or someone visited you." Matthieu explained. "Maybe you should get one of those motion detectors installed. They're pretty useful."

A motion detector? Lmao

 

[Claws]

Claws, Mitch, Windward, or Blind Ninja killed CWE.

Not sure a world exsists where i kill cwe who double votes badger boy just to push him the next day thats not in my scum repitore

 

[Claws]

Plus why kill the double voter on badger if badger isnt scum

 

[Claws]

Its plausible that you left and came back and motion detected yourself

 

[Claws]

THat or graes just fuckin with us in jis stories

 

[Badger]

Yeah sure I will go my read before void info.

This is all hinging on a weak case of me potentially bussing Val and an offhand comment about MTR. I admit it could’ve been worded a bit better but it would be pretty novice for any scum to come out with that right after the flip.

 

[MitchRapp]

Not sure a world exsists where i kill cwe who double votes badger boy just to push him the next day thats not in my scum repitore

I forgot about this. Erasing the double voter on Badger makes Badger look even more guilty.

 

[Claws]

This is all hinging on a weak case of me potentially bussing Val and an offhand comment about MTR. I admit it could’ve been worded a bit better but it would be pretty novice for any scum to come out with that right after the flip.

Why wouldnt scum of just yeeted you if you were town pretty easy when the double voter was on you

 

[WindwardAway]

I forgot about this. Erasing the double voter on Badger makes Badger look even more guilty.

Isn't that a point in badger's favor? Why kill a double voter on him yesterday if he's likely to die today? It's wifom, sure, but it's a bit too on the nose.

 

[Badger]

Why wouldnt scum of just yeeted you if you were town pretty easy when the double voter was on you

Probably because when they saw my train wasn’t going anywhere and Val was the choice, they killed CWE to potentially try and make me look bad?

 

[Claws]

Nope. I've been vague.

 

[WindwardAway]

Probably because when they saw my train wasn’t going anywhere and Val was the choice, they killed CWE to potentially try and make me look bad?

Idk man, regardless of the outcome, your train was tied with Val's at the end of day, so it's not true your train wasn't going anywhere unless you're also claiming that Val's train wasn't going anywhere.

 

[Claws]

Probably because when they saw my train wasn’t going anywhere and Val was the choice, they killed CWE to potentially try and make me look bad?

BUt you already look bad and you were on your way out via double voter today why kill him doesnt make sense

 

[MitchRapp]

Isn't that a point in badger's favor? Why kill a double voter on him yesterday if he's likely to die today? It's wifom, sure, but it's a bit too on the nose.

Trying to wiggle off the hook.

 

[WindwardAway]

Idk man, regardless of the outcome, your train was tied with Val's at the end of day, so it's not true your train wasn't going anywhere unless you're also claiming that Val's train wasn't going anywhere.

I'm just nitpicking at facts at this point because blanket statements that hide part of the story annoy me.

 

[Claws]

Altho didnt grae say if he died to go after vk and if he motion detected him which vk seems to sounds like he has admission of guilt by his response to this that grae has already caught vk? And hes trying to any1 but me this scenario

 

[Badger]

BUt you already look bad and you were on your way out via double voter today why kill him doesnt make sense

That’s an awfully large assumption that CWE would’ve even double voted me again today.

 

[Claws]

That’s an awfully large assumption that CWE would’ve even double voted me again today.

Umm why cwe is notorious for just repeat voting once hes locked on

 

[WindwardAway]

Altho didnt grae say if he died to go after vk and if he motion detected him which vk seems to sounds like he has admission of guilt by his response to this that grae has already caught vk? And hes trying to any1 but me this scenario

Yeah I think Mitch caught that VK must've gone somewhere, judging by his response
I don't like that he excluded himself from the possible pool of who did the CWE kill cause from anyone else's perspective we can't rule that out, we can only rule out Satsu and probably matt

 

[Badger]

Umm why cwe is notorious for just repeat voting once hes locked on

Not always true. He can flip once his reads change or there’s info out there.

It’s likely a case of trying to make me look bad and/or just simply not liking the double vote power.

 

[Claws]

Not always true. He can flip once his reads change or there’s info out there.

It’s likely a case of trying to make me look bad and/or just simply not liking the double vote power.

Why kill the double voter if he votes in your favor why not leave him up til he fucks around

 

[WindwardAway]

Not always true. He can flip once his reads change or there’s info out there.

It’s likely a case of trying to make me look bad and/or just simply not liking the double vote power.

CWE was also almost definitely town tbf, his play after rerand was radically different from when he randed jester. And also when I saw him rand survivor in Mitch's game, he was active but gimmick posted the entire time he was alive.

 

[Badger]

Trying to wiggle off the hook.

Blasé response when someone points something out to him and can’t come up with anything else.

Vote: Mitch

 

[MitchRapp]

Badger, how do you feel about VK at the moment?

 

[Claws]

 

[MitchRapp]

Blasé response when someone points something out to him and can’t come up with anything else.

Vote: Mitch

So you are claiming you are town and at the last moment I (sum in your mind) jumped off of you and lynched another sucm?

 

[Badger]

Why kill the double voter if he votes in your favor why not leave him up til he fucks around

Cos it’s a very strong player in CWE and him with that power especially so they don’t want to risk him fucking up.

 

[VoidKitten]

I would absolutely have shot the double voter there last night.

 

[Claws]

Cos it’s a very strong player in CWE and him with that power especially so they don’t want to risk him fucking up.

If he was gunna flibbity flop he would of swapped his vote but he was so sure of you

 

[Claws]

I would absolutely have shot the double voter there last night.

You provably did you were motion detected leaving

 

[Claws]

 

[Claws]

BAdger vk last scum probably i mean im open to other suggestions but this fits so nice

 

[VoidKitten]

You provably did you were motion detected leaving

No. I was motion detected the first night.

 

[VoidKitten]

Why do you guys think I am adamant Badger didn't kill CWE

 

[VoidKitten]

If i killed anyone, it was Dreyski. And I want to say I wouldn't have killed him then, but honestly, I probably would have. It went with my idea of keeping a more active game and was someone I didn't know well enough to try and feel like I could convince otherwise.

 

[Badger]

So you are claiming you are town and at the last moment I (sum in your mind) jumped off of you and lynched another sucm?

You’re dismissing other possibilities and you could be aggressively scum-pushing dressed up as tunnelly town to push for a misyeet on what you perceive as an easier target?

If he was gunna flibbity flop he would of swapped his vote but he was so sure of

He locks onto comments sure but after the Val kill he might have reconsidered.

 

[Claws]

No. I was motion detected the first night.

So you killed the first night and grae just got results

 

[Claws]

Why do you guys think I am adamant Badger didn't kill CWE

Cuz hes your partner ?

 

[VoidKitten]

Again, unless Mitch is scum and planned it, I really doubt Mitch decided to fuck his own teammate up. Especially if Badger is town.

All three are scum for this to make any type of sense, so I tend to lean him more town.

Mitch also didn't kill Dreyski so there's that.

 

[WindwardAway]

Cos it’s a very strong player in CWE and him with that power especially so they don’t want to risk him fucking up.

You're saying he's a strong player, and yet you're also saying he was wrong on you and you weren't afraid of him double voting you again?
I'm just trying to figure out what your train of thought is because I feel like I'm missing some pieces.

 

[Claws]

Why wouldnt i kill you vk if i had the gun you know id do it

 

[VoidKitten]

Why wouldnt i kill you vk if i had the gun you know id do it

We don't actually kill each other anywhere near as much as you think we do :D

 

[VoidKitten]

I totally would have made both of those kills tho. I approve of the scum team's kill choices.

 

[VoidKitten]

I should be the next kill, unless they think they can game my power or get me yeeted /shrug

 

[Badger]

You're saying he's a strong player, and yet you're also saying he was wrong on you and you weren't afraid of him double voting you again?
I'm just trying to figure out what your train of thought is because I feel like I'm missing some pieces.

He is a strong player that was wrong on that occasion yes but scum in general possibly wanted him dead especially when it was known he had that power in case he went somewhere else.

They are potentially also using it and trying to pin the blame on me for wanting him dead.

 

[Badger]

Again, unless Mitch is scum and planned it, I really doubt Mitch decided to fuck his own teammate up. Especially if Badger is town.

All three are scum for this to make any type of sense, so I tend to lean him more town.

Mitch also didn't kill Dreyski so there's that.

Who are the possibilities of killing Dreyski? Is Val included in that.

 

[Badger]

Or are you saying you targeted Mitch and found he didn’t do it?

 

[VoidKitten]

Who are the possibilities of killing Dreyski? Is Val included in that.

I only know one person who didn't kill either. Does not mean they aren't scum. Just didn't do the dirty deed on the specific nights.

 

[Satsu]

I totally would have made both of those kills tho. I approve of the scum team's kill choices.

LDg was less active. and a cop ;p why not kill her over dreyski? Dreyski can post at times

 

[VoidKitten]

LDg was less active. and a cop ;p why not kill her over dreyski? Dreyski can post at times

Because I didn't believe she was a cop. :D

 

[VoidKitten]

Plus, I already did my early LDG somewhat recently folks.

 

[VoidKitten]

early LDG kill*

 

[Satsu]

Because I didn't believe she was a cop. :D

Theres no cop, me and Foxxi dont like cops. Crossed my my mind your stupid. Sry your always 2 steps ahead.

 

[WindwardAway]

He is a strong player that was wrong on that occasion yes but scum in general possibly wanted him dead especially when it was known he had that power in case he went somewhere else.

They are potentially also using it and trying to pin the blame on me for wanting him dead.

I mean, I'm the one who kinda thinks it's too obvious for you to kill CWE if you're scum lol. But I didn't remember that you wanted him dead?

 

[WindwardAway]

LDg was less active. and a cop ;p why not kill her over dreyski? Dreyski can post at times

A "cop"

 

[WindwardAway]

I mean, I'm the one who kinda thinks it's too obvious for you to kill CWE if you're scum lol. But I didn't remember that you wanted him dead?

Oh wait, maybe you just meant because he was the night kill, not that you wanted him dead

 

[WindwardAway]

Sorry, I'm a bit tired today

 

[Badger]

Oh wait, maybe you just meant because he was the night kill, not that you wanted him dead

Yah.

 

[Matthieu]

I don't believe matthieu as town would actually have tracked Satsu.

Matthieu shrugged with indifference. "It's a good thing I am not a tracker, then, isn't it?"

 

[VoidKitten]

I have to believe Matthieu. He knew I left my house. He couldn't have known that otherwise, unless it was a damn good guess, but that's risky in a mostly vanillaish game. It is a generic information role and isn't specific so I could absolutely see it being in the game.

 

[VoidKitten]

Which means I also believe Satsu went nowhere. Badger went nowhere so the killer is in that list of 4 names.

 

[VoidKitten]

The other thing is roles specifically worked on people who were immune during N1 except for kills. I verified, but ultimately didn't go to one of those people because i submitted with less than an hour to go after I woke up on the bathroom floor lol.

But it did make me wonder if the fact they did technically work means that one of them is scum.

Just a random thought. Nothing to actually take with any degree of seriousness because its all game building WIFOM and believing how "true" a rand is.

 

[Satsu]

I find it hard to believe that you matt and mitch are all tpr ;p

 

[VoidKitten]

But, if we want an option that is not Badger to have a counter-train, I'd go with the names in the list other than Mitch currently. Unless it was an amazing scum play.

 

[VoidKitten]

I find it hard to believe that you matt and mitch are all tpr ;p

I don't think Mitch is a TPR. He clarified after that made it seem like he was not claiming an action, but that him being alive is more useful.

 

[VoidKitten]

I think Matthieu and I are the two main TPRs, unless anyone else is saying otherwise.

 

[WindwardAway]

The other thing is roles specifically worked on people who were immune during N1 except for kills. I verified, but ultimately didn't go to one of those people because i submitted with less than an hour to go after I woke up on the bathroom floor lol.

But it did make me wonder if the fact they did technically work means that one of them is scum.

Just a random thought. Nothing to actually take with any degree of seriousness because its all game building WIFOM and believing how "true" a rand is.

Ok, so you're saying that PRs could only target Matt, Badger, Satsu and me during N1?

 

[VoidKitten]

Ok, so you're saying that PRs could only target Matt, Badger, Satsu and me during N1?

Not only. You guys were eligible to be targeted with non-kill abilities.

 

[MitchRapp]

But, if we want an option that is not Badger to have a counter-train, I'd go with the names in the list other than Mitch currently. Unless it was an amazing scum play.

This is part of the reason I havent budged on Badger. His counter train pick was me which logically is a reach.

 

[Satsu]

Its not about who main is but how many there are.

 

[VoidKitten]

This is part of the reason I havent budged on Badger. His counter train pick was me which logically is a reach.

It's OMGUS. Plain and simple OMGUS.

I almost voted claws for the same thing.

 

[VoidKitten]

Its not about who main is but how many there are.

I replaced the doctor, I assume. Roles are basically the same, but picking different targets.

Doublevoter and Motion Detector would be the other two claimed. Replaced the two neighbors?

 

[WindwardAway]

Not only. You guys were eligible to be targeted with non-kill abilities.

Wait, maybe I misread what you said
Who was targetable with non-kill abilities? I know I couldn't be killed on N1.