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MitchRapp

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You did claim tpr eariler did you lie and your vanilla
No I did not. I have never claimed any power role. You all just assumed. All I have ever said is that I am more useful to the town alive than I am dead. Lynching me does not get the town any closer to winning.
 

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No I did not. I have never claimed any power role. You all just assumed. All I have ever said is that I am more useful to the town alive than I am dead. Lynching me does not get the town any closer to winning.
I mean ive heard this stick a 100 times from scum so its eh i could look back but im lazy
 

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I mean ive heard this stick a 100 times from scum so its eh i could look back but im lazy
He is correct. He has repeatedly said "more useful to town then alive"

i assumed he was a TPR and he specifically quoted me saying he only said "that he is more valuable alive than dead" not that he had an action.
 

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Don Hertzfeldt Wtf GIF by nounish ⌐◨-◨
 

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If a train goes there I would prefer that over MTR. However, voting there now doesn't do much for me in the ways of self preservation.

In the end I do not mind being voted out as town if it helps solve the game but on a sudo day one it doesn't go far. I believe I am more valuable alive than dead for the town.
Soft?
The question is are the same roles populating the game or are there new roles all together.
Idk, wouldn't you have an idea based on your role?
You said I'm not doing anything to convince people I'm town but I clearly said earlier I am more valuable to the town alive than dead...
Another soft
What more would you like me to do? Jumping Jacks and spell out TOWN like a high school football team?
I'm not sure if this is a soft?
I am more valuable to town alive and if you lynch me you are no closer to victory.


Voting MTR would be a way to check LDG and not potentially lose the cop. However, I do hate the "I am taking my ball and going home attitude."
Soft?
I will continue on since you are not here. What if MTR flips town who is the scum?

A double vote does not seem scummy. I know my role but since I have been painted with a scummy brush by Claws and Void I will have to work to show you that I am not. That leaves matthieu and WW. Matthieu early on someone knowing he couldn't be voted today is possible. WW rubs me the wrong way at times but that is more of a personal level than something he has done. Overtalking and answering your own quotes seems off. Less of that this time around. I would vote WW out of that group gun to my head.
Claims he knows his role, wow, impressive
Because last time around I wasn't on anyone's radar. I do not believe in hard claiming. You will notice it was not allowed in the game I ran. When I feel backed into the corner I will try to say things that can give off some ideas but I would rarely if ever just come out and claim a role.
Refusal to claim
I do not care if they are allowed. I am a man of honor. It is a rare day when I hard claim.
Another refusal to claim

Mitch, I swear this better be good or else you're probably just a scum PR
 

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VK - Banana Roleblocker
Windward - Cherry Neighbor (Satsu and Claws)
Satsu - Kiwi Neighbor (WA and Claws)
Badger - Pineapple Vanilla
Matthieu - Motion Detector
Claws - Neighbor (Satsu and WA)
Mitch - Apple Vanilla (we think since he didn't specify fully)
Blind Ninja - Jackfruit Vanilla
 

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Here is my thoughts.

I think Val claimed Kiwi with some plan. I have been trying to wrack my brain to understand why.

He had his own fruit that no one else had. So the fact he claimed Kiwi is very fucking interesting.
 

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VK - Banana Roleblocker
Windward - Cherry Neighbor (Satsu and Claws)
Satsu - Kiwi Neighbor (WA and Claws)
Badger - Pineapple Vanilla
Matthieu - Motion Detector
Claws - Strawberry Neighbor (Satsu and WA)
Mitch -
Blind Ninja - Jackfruit Vanilla
 

MitchRapp

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Soft?

Idk, wouldn't you have an idea based on your role?

Another soft

I'm not sure if this is a soft?

Soft?

Claims he knows his role, wow, impressive

Refusal to claim

Another refusal to claim

Mitch, I swear this better be good or else you're probably just a scum PR
What does Scum PR mean? Still picking up the terms here.
 

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VK - Banana Roleblocker
Windward - Cherry Neighbor (Satsu and Claws)
Satsu - Kiwi Neighbor (WA and Claws)
Badger - Pineapple Vanilla
Matthieu - Motion Detector
Claws - Strawberry Neighbor (Satsu and WA)
Mitch -
Blind Ninja - Jackfruit Vanilla
I was about to ask what kind of fruit a motion detector was lmao
 

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Matthieu raised an eyebrow. He'd already brought attention to his fruit at least twice already.
 

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Matthieu stifled a yawn. Truth be told he could've done with another hour or two of rest, especially after a late night stroll wandering through the strange but quaint little town that he had moved to. By and large the other inhabitants were not at all normal like himself. They were prone to banter, paranoia and often bordered on being barely literate. Yet it was to be his new home. He prepared some breakfast for himself - fresh lime was always his favourite - and then made his way outside.

A gaggle of townsfolk had gathered around the remnants of one of their own. A strange looking man who had apparently taped mangos to his body was sprawled out on the ground having been stabbed in the back. He raised an eyebrow in confusion and no short amount of fear.

"What happened?" Matthieu asked, looking to the agitated crowd for guidance.

"CWE DEAD CWE IS DEAD CWE DEAD MANGO MANGO AHHHH!" One of the more hysterical villagers replied.

"...right. Good luck with that, mate." Matthieu stated smoothly in response as the others began pointing fingers at one another.

He rubbed his jaw and sighed wistfully. Putting aside the fact that 'CWE' was a strange name and his obsession with mangoes veered on the unhealthy, if there was a murderer on the loose then they needed to be caught. Nonetheless, he had some information of use. The villager known as Satsu hadn't gone anywhere in the night - he was confident of that fact.
Matt's claim is in here
 

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VK - Banana Roleblocker
Windward - Cherry Neighbor (Satsu and Claws)
Satsu - Kiwi Neighbor (WA and Claws)
Badger - Pineapple Vanilla
Matthieu - Lime Motion Detector
Claws - Strawberry Neighbor (Satsu and WA)
Mitch - Apple Vanilla
Blind Ninja - Jackfruit Vanilla
 

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I just don't see a world why a scum team member would claim a fruit someone else could have when they have their own fruit.

I just don't understand why. Sure, it could be val doing random shit, but this seems random without a purpose. The logic part of me says there has to be a fucking reason that I cannot figure out -.-
 

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Where did Val get kiwi from?
There's no way Val/Satsu are w/w if there are only 2 scum
But I still doubt that they're partnered because Satsu seemed confused by Val claiming kiwi, after he'd already claimed his flavor in hood chat. He went through several possibilities on why Val would've claimed kiwi, as scum or as town. I also gave thoughts, including on if they were both scum, but since Satsu didn't want to claim kiwi directly in the thread after Val did, even though we knew about it in the hood, I don't believe it was a plan to bus.
 

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There's no way Val/Satsu are w/w if there are only 2 scum
But I still doubt that they're partnered because Satsu seemed confused by Val claiming kiwi, after he'd already claimed his flavor in hood chat. He went through several possibilities on why Val would've claimed kiwi, as scum or as town. I also gave thoughts, including on if they were both scum, but since Satsu didn't want to claim kiwi directly in the thread after Val did, even though we knew about it in the hood, I don't believe it was a plan to bus.
I expect it to be 3, not two.
 

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You make it sound like Satsu would be obvious and not plan things :D

Like none of what you just wrote makes me feel like Satsu may not have bussed Val.

Especially with a vote on Val like 6 hours before he claimed or w.e
 

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Might be tinfoil, but it feels absolutely weird and I just don't understand why a scum team member would do that if it weren't for bussing cred.
 

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You make it sound like Satsu would be obvious and not plan things :D

Like none of what you just wrote makes me feel like Satsu may not have bussed Val.

Especially with a vote on Val like 6 hours before he claimed or w.e
Yeah but we discussed that. Claws actually pushed Satsu to claim publicly cause Satsu wanted to gambit.
 

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I claimed in neighbours thread 5am and val claimed in game thread 5:05 imagine the coincidence
 

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mind blown theres no way to relay that and go for just claim kiwi for no reason in 5 minutes
 

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Yeah, I'm done with this game today.

I'll check back in next day if I'm alive lol.

I have less than zero desire to solve that puzzle.

GG scum. You win.
 

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you literally make up almost half of the voting majority and have said you aren't voting for any of you.

So vote whomever you guys want. My opinion means shit.
 

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you literally make up almost half of the voting majority and have said you aren't voting for any of you.

So vote whomever you guys want. My opinion means shit.
Oh
Ok but if you think this is a game with 3 scum, you can't think all of us in the hood are scum together since Val flipped. Who outside of us is scum, if you think one of the neighbors is?
 

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Oh
Ok but if you think this is a game with 3 scum, you can't think all of us in the hood are scum together since Val flipped. Who outside of us is scum, if you think one of the neighbors is?
No idea at this point.

Way too focused on this fucking neighborhood and the "conincidences" yall have lmao.
 

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But as an outsider you would consider me most scummy in the hood right?
 

MitchRapp

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If VK is done for the day, you guys are not going to vote each other and Satsu is on Badger you know what that means? Its time to pile on Badger.
 

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Like, i dunno guys.

You, as scum, wouldn't be mad that you had to fight an entire 3 town neighborhood along with a town doublevoter with your 3 people? :D
 

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Wait i know i never changed one to grupmycat but satsu thats super private stuff ;p
 

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Like, if Foxxi literally made a game with a town doublevoter and a full town neighborhood filled with some of the three most talkative and solvy people, I would be surprised at how she balances.

So maybe its because she taught me how to balance and this just doesn't seem like a real game she'd make (outside of the potential for scum PRs to help counteract; roleblocker, strongman, etc)

But, as always, I've been wrong before.
 

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Ok lets try a paradox here. You were never yeeted as town. if you get yeeted you will be scum.

Unvote:
Vote: VK
 

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Like, if Foxxi literally made a game with a town doublevoter and a full town neighborhood filled with some of the three most talkative and solvy people, I would be surprised at how she balances.

So maybe its because she taught me how to balance and this just doesn't seem like a real game she'd make (outside of the potential for scum PRs to help counteract; roleblocker, strongman, etc)

But, as always, I've been wrong before.
Yeah but aren't you the roleblocker lol
Why do you keep throwing yourself in the scum roles
 

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It was a point of what power roles could be. A scum roleblocker wouldn't make sense this game outside of a confirmatoryish role, if someone claimed to have action failed or w.e
Ah, you meant like cop or motion detector or whatever else doesn't seem to do much for scum other than visiting
 

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Ah, you meant like cop or motion detector or whatever else doesn't seem to do much for scum other than visiting
I mean the balance would shift if the scum had any type of power role to assist them. Whatever it might be.

Otherwise 3 town neighbors (this can backfire so isn't a full on major benefit) and a town doublevoter seem like a lot for 2-3 (assuming 3 here) to overcome.

Especially when the first game was 8/2/1 with a doctor and two town neighbors. As well as a jester which is negative town, not scum, utility.
 

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I mean the balance would shift if the scum had any type of power role to assist them. Whatever it might be.

Otherwise 3 town neighbors (this can backfire so isn't a full on major benefit) and a town doublevoter seem like a lot for 2-3 (assuming 3 here) to overcome.

Especially when the first game was 8/2/1 with a doctor and two town neighbors. As well as a jester which is negative town, not scum, utility.
Oh yeah, did we ever verify whether MTR and LDG were both goons? I just assumed cause of the jester.
 

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The roleblock/doc is basically a wash. It's the same thing when only a kill is to be worried about.

So basically, what was different (assuming there weren't other PRs people didn't admit to)

1 Motion Detector
1 Neighbor
1 scum potentially
 
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