Mafia 23 - The Town of Rings

[Apocaclaws]

Unfortunately no. I targeted you again since you claimed TP, thinking if it was legit someone might mess with you and could hard confirm you as town. All I got was that you're infected. Feels like a dumb move in retrospect, but my alternative would have been targeting CWE, and doesn't look like that would have yielded much anyway

thats unfortunate

 

[Apocaclaws]

1 post

 

[Apocaclaws]

2 post

 

[Apocaclaws]

3post 4

 

[Apocaclaws]

:D

 

[Apocaclaws]

idk im ok with early day again i just not sure if id rather caito (probably) i did tell cwe id murk him or if i should push mtr

 

[Apocaclaws]

Since Im being pegged as 3p or scum, ill claim.

Im the lookout

N1: Claws had no visitors
N2: Claws was visited by Psycho
N3: Grumpy was visited by CWE

with cwe saying all kinds of doom stuff with 3 and psychos role not targetable i would of been extra cautious claiming if that was your real role imo

 

[Apocaclaws]

That's true. So it's possible BN is just using already known info...

same could be said with psycho tho apocs share brethren chat and he could just go off info he has i do lean towards trusting psycho tho

 

[Apocaclaws]

would be weird af to come out early and bus your partner early

 

[MitchRapp]

Yeah who would ever do that.

 

[Blind Ninja]

We do have someone that would D1 cop claim all the time... we would let it ride the vast majority of the time. the times we would D1 lynch him, he would almost always happen to actually be the damn cop.

And Matt would often do random claims with little to no pressure...

Some people like that limelight when its allowed.

 

[Blind Ninja]

with cwe saying all kinds of doom stuff with 3 and psychos role not targetable i would of been extra cautious claiming if that was your real role imo

You have to take chances at some point.

We have the claimed Mayor (mod comfirmed)
We have a claimed Spy

2 apoc down, who knows if there are more right now.

 

[Apocaclaws]

i suppose im gunna be mad if baker goes off and i dont have a bread

 

[Apocaclaws]

im all about smashing ppl in the end game

 

[Apocaclaws]

anyways i dont know how long we gotta prolong this phase we are basically just smashing ppl til somthing interesting happens

 

[Apocaclaws]

either som1 evolves or some1 murders mitch

 

[Apocaclaws]

thats "interesting in my eyes"

 

[Apocaclaws]

or we just straight up win the game that would be goat

 

[MitchRapp]

I find the lack of discussion disturbing.

 

[Apocaclaws]

I find the lack of discussion disturbing.

Well ppl sleep and work idk

 

[Apocaclaws]

Would be good if these bums get there posts in

 

[MitchRapp]

We have 1 vote so far. For Caito and no one else has started another train. Interesting.

 

[PsychoSoldier]

Ok, finally catching up on everything/rereading phases that I skimmed, but is it likely we're just dealing with a bunch of self-aligned roles? We've seen two Apoc roles flip and now with the three deaths probably dealing with an arsonist

 

[PsychoSoldier]

oh wait, I misunderstood, Apoc acts as team, not neutral. So we still have mafia team to deal with

 

[PsychoSoldier]

Claws, did you ever claim to visit Matthieu? Or were you just Matthieu's target?

 

[PsychoSoldier]

would be dumb to lynch the spy tho wouldnt it?

There's a part of me that felt like Claws and Matthieu were sort of defending each other, especially Claws when I was debating if he was Plaguebearer. But this comment makes me feel better about Claws because I think he would take any opportunity to mount suspicion against me if he was scum. That and unless he's a baker that decided to give bread to Matthieu, the only way he could be infected is if Matthieu targeted him. Which overall seems like a strategy with diminishing returns.

So I'm still waiting to see how I feel when I fully catch up, but Claws is probably just clean at this point(or at least not Apoc, ironically lol)

 

[PsychoSoldier]

I'm also inclined to believe BN because him targeting me N2 when he didn't trust that my info was legit lines up perfectly.

 

[MitchRapp]

I'm also inclined to believe BN because him targeting me N2 when he didn't trust that my info was legit lines up perfectly.

So we are back to Caito, Listo, MTR

 

[PsychoSoldier]

I keep forgetting we're down so many numbers, but yeah, I guess we kind of are at the point where we could just chop in those three and probably win. Provided BN and Claws aren't the arsonist or we don't chop any townies within those 3, that's almost an auto-win

Though I definitely want to have a more informed choice than just blindly chopping those 3

 

[MTR]

Ill assume 2 of the deaths were from admirer... one of the lovers was killed.

I doubt the trickster was the cause of those deaths. But likely the 3rd death.

Yes I am guessing that as well.

 

[PsychoSoldier]

Okay so time to vote. If we are going to yeet someone we need to focus on who that should be. I am going to vote to put the top two trains at a tie for now. Totally open to switching things around. But probably good idea to yeet someone and not just depend on NA.

Vote: Matthieu

Need get vote in so here we go

Vote: Val

Leaning that MTR is not Apoc. Maybe Arsonist.

 

[Listo95]

So we are back to Caito, Listo, MTR

Well I know it isn't me. I feel Psycho/Claws is trustworthy.

 

[MitchRapp]

I feel with the info at hand we vote Caito and can si

Well I know it isn't me. I feel Psycho/Claws is trustworthy.

Then place a vote.

 

[MTR]

Not Arsonist. Not Neutral. I am town.

 

[MitchRapp]

Oops I had a thought started and then responded to Listo.

 

[Listo95]

Oops I had a thought started and then responded to Listo.

We all do that at times :D

 

[Listo95]

I feel with the info at hand we vote Caito and can si

Then place a vote.

I would prefer to try and get my 10 posts in since no clue if VK will require it for this phase.

 

[MitchRapp]

Okay, well rank your suspects.

 

[PsychoSoldier]

Oh, actually, I guess it doesn't have to be an arsonist, it could just be that two different killing roles happened to act on the same night.

 

[MitchRapp]

@MTR

Who aside from Caito should we fear?

 

[MitchRapp]

Oh, actually, I guess it doesn't have to be an arsonist, it could just be that two different killing roles happened to act on the same night.

The opening paragraph made me think arsonist.

 

[Listo95]

Okay, well rank your suspects.

Caito/MTR
BN
Psycho
Claws
Mitch

 

[Listo95]

The opening paragraph made me think arsonist.

I don't think that paragraph was meant to be telling on what roles we might have left. Don't feel like VK would do that especially in a game where any role can exist.

 

[MTR]

Oh, actually, I guess it doesn't have to be an arsonist, it could just be that two different killing roles happened to act on the same night.

Maybe. It also could have been an Arsonist. I am just not an arsonist.

 

[PsychoSoldier]

I'm assuming we probably wouldn't have a solo Coven? Like it's possible but less likely maybe? So we're probably either dealing with 2 Apoc/2 Coven, or no Coven at all, right?

Just trying to wrap my head around what threats we should be looking for.

I still think Occam's razor says last nights kills were the result of an arsonist.

 

[MitchRapp]

Maybe. It also could have been an Arsonist. I am just not an arsonist.

Rank your suspects please. Also feel free to vote.

 

[MTR]

@MTR

Who aside from Caito should we fear?

Right now I am trusting claws and psycho and of course you.

I would say Caito and listo are ones to look at if we trust BN's claim.

 

[MTR]

I'm assuming we probably wouldn't have a solo Coven? Like it's possible but less likely maybe? So we're probably either dealing with 2 Apoc/2 Coven, or no Coven at all, right?

Just trying to wrap my head around what threats we should be looking for.

I still think Occam's razor says last nights kills were the result of an arsonist.

Arsonist does make sense. I am kind of feel like we don't have a coven.

 

[PsychoSoldier]

Caito/MTR
BN
Psycho
Claws
Mitch

Why am I in the middle? Mitch deserves to be locked town because he was mos confirmed, but I think my info has been verified as legit and only knowable from a town role

 

[Listo95]

Why am I in the middle? Mitch deserves to be locked town because he was mos confirmed, but I think my info has been verified as legit and only knowable from a town role

Because I trust Claws/Mitch more than you?

 

[PsychoSoldier]

Because I trust Claws/Mitch more than you?

That's fine, but why? I want your logic

 

[Apocaclaws]

Claws, did you ever claim to visit Matthieu? Or were you just Matthieu's target?

His target or since you spyed him every1 you look at would be infected if you are

 

[Apocaclaws]

I still think Occam's razor says last nights kills were the result of an arsonist.

I enjoy this as thats what i think

 

[PsychoSoldier]

His target or since you spyed him every1 you look at would be infected if you are

Oh yeah, I'm dumb, I forgot that I would have infected you if you hadn't already been infected lol

But you being honest about that instead of leaning into the fact you might have been targeted by Matthieu is still a good sign

 

[Apocaclaws]

Also usually its 1 apoc or 4 im not so sure there is a coven at all id lean biggest threat would be baker/famine and arsonist 3p (assuming arsonist)
We havent seen zerker do any murders been a fairly no kill game so idk if balancing is just 3 apoc and 2 3p or somtjing completely weird like 1 coven, 3 apoc, 1 3p

 

[Apocaclaws]

Another thing is do we think vk picked all passive killers as a haha

 

[Listo95]

That's fine, but why? I want your logic

*shrug* Mitch is Mayor. Claws just feels towny to me.

 

[PsychoSoldier]

*shrug* Mitch is Mayor. Claws just feels towny to me.

Do you think I could be lying about my role at this point?

 

[PsychoSoldier]

Vote: Listo95

I don't feel Listo actually has these thoughts

 

[Blind Ninja]

I would prefer to try and get my 10 posts in since no clue if VK will require it for this phase.

VK already said that post count would depend on if day went to duration or not. We didnt have modkills when phase ended at 15-16hrs.

 

[Listo95]

Do you think I could be lying about my role at this point?

No. But seriously what part of "I trust them more than you." do you not get?

 

[Listo95]

Vote: Listo95

I don't feel Listo actually has these thoughts

Not a smart move since I'm very obviously not Apoc.

 

[Blind Ninja]

I'm assuming we probably wouldn't have a solo Coven? Like it's possible but less likely maybe? So we're probably either dealing with 2 Apoc/2 Coven, or no Coven at all, right?

Just trying to wrap my head around what threats we should be looking for.

I still think Occam's razor says last nights kills were the result of an arsonist.

I think trickster killed one.
another role killed the other.

3rd death was likely the lover of the admirer.

 

[Blind Ninja]

His target or since you spyed him every1 you look at would be infected if you are

With PB dead, doesnt matter if we are infected

 

[PsychoSoldier]

I think trickster killed one.
another role killed the other.

3rd death was likely the lover of the admirer.

Why would CWE kill llettuce or Grumpy, though? They said people voting llettuce are likely scum and said Grumpy is clear on one of their last posts, so I struggle to believe either of those deaths were his fault

 

[Blind Ninja]

No. But seriously what part of "I trust them more than you." do you not get?

Id think by this point in the game you'd have more reasoning then just "I trust them more"

 

[Blind Ninja]

Not a smart move since I'm very obviously not Apoc.

Since its not obvious to us... Spell it out and make us understand

 

[PsychoSoldier]

No. But seriously what part of "I trust them more than you." do you not get?

If you don't think I'm lying about my role, then I should in the least be trusted the same amount because I can't be anything but town. And arguably should be read as more town than Claws who doesn't have as much mechanical info clearing him

(This isn't me saying Claws should be seen as scum or doesn't deserve to be seen as more town than me, but the logic isn't logicking)

 

[Blind Ninja]

Why would CWE kill llettuce or Grumpy, though? They said people voting llettuce are likely scum and said Grumpy is clear on one of their last posts, so I struggle to believe either of those deaths were his fault

May seem unlikely, but its possible. Just looking at the trickster role. And I did see grumpy was visited by CWE

 

[PsychoSoldier]

Since its not obvious to us... Spell it out and make us understand

I assume he's talking about his votes

But that doesn't stop him from being a harmful neutral

 

[Listo95]

Since its not obvious to us... Spell it out and make us understand

D2 vote should be more than enough if you ask me. Llettuce and Mitch were both higher but I went on Val.

 

[Listo95]

I assume he's talking about his votes

But that doesn't stop him from being a harmful neutral

I'll admit I'm neutral. But I'm not harmful to anyone.

 

[Blind Ninja]

Least to most town:
Listo/Caito
MTR
Claws/Psycho (view you somewhat equally based on thread and mechanicals)
Mitch (locktown)

 

[PsychoSoldier]

May seem unlikely, but its possible. Just looking at the trickster role. And I did see grumpy was visited by CWE

I don't think the possibility is strong though considering one of his last messages was saying Grumpy is clear. It's more likely he tried to protect Grumpy rather than doing a 180 and deciding to kill him. I think CWE would at least give Grumpy the right of a trial before making that sharp of a change.

 

[PsychoSoldier]

Least to most town:
Listo/Caito
MTR
Claws/Psycho (view you somewhat equally based on thread and mechanicals)
Mitch (locktown)

See, this at least makes sense to me logically

 

[Blind Ninja]

Are we at a point where a mass claim makes sense?

 

[Blind Ninja]

I don't think the possibility is strong though considering one of his last messages was saying Grumpy is clear. It's more likely he tried to protect Grumpy rather than doing a 180 and deciding to kill him. I think CWE would at least give Grumpy the right of a trial before making that sharp of a change.

I can see this. Hadnt gone back and reread his interaction with grumpy. Might need to go refresh myself.

 

[PsychoSoldier]

I'll admit I'm neutral. But I'm not harmful to anyone.

I'll take this into consideration

Are you willing to full claim?

 

[Blind Ninja]

@PsychoSoldier Do you think the Grumpy is clear would be a soft claim to them being lovers? So I can see that visit at trying to protect him

 

[Apocaclaws]

Perhaps im still burning caito today

 

[Listo95]

I'll take this into consideration

Are you willing to full claim?

GA turned Surv sadly

 

[MTR]

@PsychoSoldier Do you think the Grumpy is clear would be a soft claim to them being lovers? So I can see that visit at trying to protect him

I can see that

 

[MitchRapp]

I think I have enough now to vote Caito. What do others think?

 

[PsychoSoldier]

@PsychoSoldier Do you think the Grumpy is clear would be a soft claim to them being lovers? So I can see that visit at trying to protect him

Yeah, that makes a lot of sense for me, especially considering otherwise Grumpy would probably be on his shitlist for voting llettuce instead of Val

 

[Blind Ninja]

GA turned Surv sadly

So who was your target?

its D4, did you use both charges of UP N1/2 or not think your person would be a target?

 

[PsychoSoldier]

GA turned Surv sadly

Ok, I'm softening on my push for you

Are you willing to claim your targets? (Assuming that's why you're a survivor now)

 

[MTR]

I think I have enough now to vote Caito. What do others think?

That seems to be the way we are going

 

[Blind Ninja]

I think I have enough now to vote Caito. What do others think?

think a lil more info out of listo from that claim and might be enough for now

 

[Blind Ninja]

That seems to be the way we are going

Are you willing to claim?

 

[PsychoSoldier]

I think I have enough now to vote Caito. What do others think?

I'm about there, too. I can buy that Listo just hasn't been paying a lot of attention and doesn't have deep thoughts about his reads. And looking at his ISO he's pretty actively defended me so it's not like he was trying to keep me as a chop target or anything.

It's not like a a hard townread, but with all the pieces it feels like less of a good vote

 

[Listo95]

Ok, I'm softening on my push for you

Are you willing to claim your targets? (Assuming that's why you're a survivor now)

LDG -.-

 

[MTR]

Are you willing to claim?

I have been trying to avoid it but yeah I am willing to claim.

 

[Blind Ninja]

LDG -.-

If thats the case, did you expect this to just turn in to a survival game for you them?

I would have expected you to try to get her to be a little more active and at least reach the 10 thresholds

 

[PsychoSoldier]

LDG -.-

Ok I fully but this now

 

[PsychoSoldier]

Y’all won’t be rid of me that easily tyvm.

Listo being able to protect LDG from the grave tracks with this post at least

 

[Blind Ninja]

Ok I fully but this now

That part ping me some. If thats his actually NAME, id expect SOMETHING addressed to her for activity

 

[PsychoSoldier]

That part ping me some. If thats his actually NAME, id expect SOMETHING addressed to her for activity

What's the point, though? She doesn't respond to that kind of stuff almost ever. She's either gonna post or she's not

 

[Blind Ninja]

What do you guys feel about MTR claiming at this point?

Safe or unsafe? I guess Doomsayer is still a possibility.

 

[Blind Ninja]

What's the point, though? She doesn't respond to that kind of stuff almost ever. She's either gonna post or she's not

She does respond to some people, just not me. The lack of effort for it, even 1 post mentioning her directly...

 

[Listo95]

If thats the case, did you expect this to just turn in to a survival game for you them?

I would have expected you to try to get her to be a little more active and at least reach the 10 thresholds

Pretty much.