Fingers of Suspicion
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Mafia 38 - Trouble Brewing
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Listo95
Moderator
I see no reason not to.
Why not me? As the librarian, I have no additional that I will gain. Other town roles can continue to get info that could be more useful. For example, I don't want CWE to nominate him, because if CWE is not the drunk, he will get more info for us.
Or is it the simple fact that since I am known town, we can get voting info from other claimed town who will nominate?
Xanjori
Godfather
Can this be true? Like it feels too many clears but like I said, fuck knows what this game mode isCWE the Fortune teller.
We demon hunting boys!!!
N1... Claws and 3pups. Both inno...
N2...Psycho and Nightmare Queen Miko. Both inno.
N3...Matthieu and Listo. Both inno.
Remaining alive unchecked
Xanjori
Blind Ninja
Dead unchecked
MTR
Grumpy
All that's left...
...
Unless I'm the drunk...then
GrumpyCat
Mastermind
I cant get info from my neighbours anymore. I would rather have you alive longer.
Do you have thoughts/reads based on the private message I sent to you/CWE/MTR (these are the people I trust)
CWE, if not the drunk, as the Fortune Teller will only clear folks from being the Demon. They could be minions, or CWE could be poisoned and would be getting false info (if the poisoner exists and picked CWE)
Blind Ninja
Mastermind
I doubt 3pups is the drunk, since they were told librarian and given 2 people... is it completely off the table, no, just a lot lower on the list of possibilities (to me)
Xan would not know that for sure , because I might be the drunk instead of CWE.
Would Xan know if either I or CWE was poisoned? I think this might depend on who he may have chatted with, and I am pretty sure I was the only one who chatted with Xanjori. I don't see anyone sharing information with him.
Blind Ninja
Mastermind
Not hard to guess when he talked to several people and most roles were already claimed. limits what you can be. So a guess out of the remaining roles people didnt state.
Blind Ninja
Mastermind
Nobody, except the poisoner and mod, know who is selected on any given night (unless the poisoner tells the other minion and demon)
Blind Ninja
Mastermind
Without getting anything from Xan, since he hasnt claimed and isnt really driving towards solving... he is amongst those I trust the least.
Grumpy claimed empath, with Claws and 3pups not evil. I trust Grumpy. So I believe Claws and 3pups are town.
3pups claimed librarian with either CWE or Xan as Drunk.
CWE has been forthcoming with info and sharing what he "knows." Even if the drunk, has been helping and giving town vibes.
I know Im town.
This puts my PoE to Xan, listo, Matt, Psycho. I feel the Demon is in this cluster of 4.
NQM is unlikely to be demon, since not seen in thread or discord. Claimed PC issues to someone.
Grumpy claimed empath, with Claws and 3pups not evil. I trust Grumpy. So I believe Claws and 3pups are town.
3pups claimed librarian with either CWE or Xan as Drunk.
CWE has been forthcoming with info and sharing what he "knows." Even if the drunk, has been helping and giving town vibes.
I know Im town.
This puts my PoE to Xan, listo, Matt, Psycho. I feel the Demon is in this cluster of 4.
NQM is unlikely to be demon, since not seen in thread or discord. Claimed PC issues to someone.
We are pretty much on the same page, although I have gotten info privately claimed from Listo, and by POE and hints I have figured out Xanjori. Matt and Psycho are still TBD to me, and now that Psycho has started to try to solve - without sharing anything - I am thinking we want to press on Matt.
I asked you earlier if you would have a problem nominating Matthiew. Grumpy does not want me to do the nomination. I feel it should be someone who won't learn anything new based on our roles. So, would you nominate Matthieu?
Blind Ninja
Mastermind
I see Matt as the least intersting of those to push. I also have a feeling of how he would respond. Not something I want to pursue at this moment.
Are you willing to share listo's role?
or point out the hints that allowed you to guess at Xans role?
Why Matt over Psycho? I do agree with someone that cant learn anything new should nominate people we know nothing about (in case of virgin)
Aside from wanting to hang Xan, any other opinions? How do you feel about the PoE leading to Psycho, NQM, listo, Matt, Xan?
If the POE leads to Psycho, NQM, Listo, Matt, and Xan, I have unsupported info in Listo and Xanjori. I think NQM is the virgin.
Listo can share his claimed role with you privately, if he trusts you. I am more inclined to trust you because of what you shared with me earlier, and the fact that you are trying to solve.
As for Xanjori's potential role, he made a comment about not having gotten information, so by looking at the other town roles and process of elimination based on what I had learned from discussions with others, there was only 1 that I thought he could still be.
As for why Matt over Psycho, we had already tried on Psycho and got nowhere. I would nominate him again but my concern is that we'd get nowhere again, and looking back, based on what he knew at the time he nominated me, I could actually see his logic - he just didn't know that both Grumpy and CWE had info that cleared me (and of course, he didn't know what I had learned from my private discussions with several others).
Matt has done nothing to help.
Vote: YES on Matthieu
Blind Ninja
Mastermind
Or Xan is demon, minion or outsider...
EBWOP - I don't think Matt is the virgin, but if Matt was the Virgin, it would mean that Xan is an outsider (not possible), minion or demon. I think the evil would rather sit back, and delay the activity, instead of leading a nomination for our first execution.
Blind Ninja
Mastermind
By your own information, Xan has 50% chance of being an outsider (drunk)
Derp. I guess I just don't think Matt is the virgin, because I strongly believe it is NQM. BN, would you message me with thoughts on who you think several roles you don't know might be? I am trying to conserve my messages - I have already sent one of my three to MTR/Grumpy/CWE, so maybe you can randomize it with a key code, so then I could reply here in your code, without having to use another message.
Blind Ninja
Mastermind
I havent talked to most the player base in private chats like you. I dont have a feel for whats out there, aside from what has been claimed or told to me in chats.
My only concern revolves around very large quantities of tinfoil.
PsychoSoldier
Administrator
PsychoSoldier
Administrator
Blind Ninja
Mastermind
PsychoSoldier
Administrator
Claws
All-Knowing
Lazy fethwipes could toss all of them sept psycho i believe in him and if he is bad ill eat a sock
PsychoSoldier
Administrator
Claws
All-Knowing
we havent played games in what feels like 2 months
Blind Ninja
Mastermind
Feel free to send me that claim if you trust me to be town. I may have some questions or want to converse about it in thread after. Obviously without revealing what you tell me
Blind Ninja
Mastermind
Care to share what you know? Id say its impossible with what you told me.
Blind Ninja
Mastermind
Its been several months. The pasta game ended early july. Some of us have been out longer. I know i didnt play the pasta game
Blind Ninja
Mastermind
There is potentially a role out there that can provide information about a player who has been executed. Although, I don't know if the poisoner affects them.
We can get a reveal on the virgin, but only if a town person nominates them.
Other than that, a claim and a verify are about as close to what we will get.
I have a decent idea as to what role you might claim. If you are going to send a PM to confirm it for me, send it at the same time you send it to CWE as you think he's clean, too. Private Messages are not like chat earlier - we only get three total messages we can send.
Claws
All-Knowing
I shared all i know minus psychos role which ive been sworn to the highest of secercy
Blind Ninja
Mastermind
I havent seen you share your role in thread or that info. I could share it for you, but you asked me not to
Blind Ninja
Mastermind
Hard to look elsewhere, when you are sitting back and doing nothing. No attempts to solve. This feels like "let me claim something nobody else has so far"
Matthieu
Vigilante
Yeah, I haven't brought much to the table because I haven't played in months and this is a pretty complex game. My role is also passive, so I have leaned into that.
Blind Ninja
Mastermind
I havent played in months either... has your goal just been "survival" and not engagement?
Matthieu
Vigilante
My goal was to serve as bait, which is also why I didn't want to take part in a mass claim as it would gut my role's effectiveness considerably.
Claws
All-Knowing
why is sharing it in thread relevant it just opens up others as better targets you dummy
Blind Ninja
Mastermind
Listo95
Moderator
*shrug* We kinda need to start lynching people cause otherwise the demon could run away with the game.
PsychoSoldier
Administrator
Claws
All-Knowing
Claws
All-Knowing
Hes a bastard and i hate him >=[
PsychoSoldier
Administrator
Even though I trust 3pups now, I still feel like the way Xan attacked me specifically for "I can't believe you didn't consider this" felt more like finding that avenue of attack rather than actually reading me
Matthieu could still be scum tbh but that ship has sailed
The main thing that holds me back on Xan is the possibility that he's the drunk. Though I think it's interesting he hasn't even engaged with that much and has still been insisting on trying to share his role with 3pups
Matthieu could still be scum tbh but that ship has sailed
The main thing that holds me back on Xan is the possibility that he's the drunk. Though I think it's interesting he hasn't even engaged with that much and has still been insisting on trying to share his role with 3pups
Xanjori
Godfather
You cant have a POE that wins game and then get mad that people in the POE are voting for others in the POE, thats just being silly
Xanjori
Godfather
3pups has kinda guessed my role and its not more than that.
Also I attacked your push on 3pups because it was a bad push, and why would I do that if I was evil and this game is refusing to kill anyone?
I really can't tell who's lying - I think I did okay with the logic part, but the fact that there are "safe reads" given, and a potential poisoner muddying things up has got me baffled.
Xanjori, you gave me pause when you nominated Matt, because I was still sus on him. But the fact you said you can't figure this game out has pinged me - I believe you are a much better player than to pretend that you don't know what's going on.
And I still don't feel great about Psycho. I am trying to figure out how much of that is residual anger from his nominating me. Based on POE, I think his role narrowed down to a couple, neither of which can be proven nor disproven.
I am afraid that if I nominate Xanjori, he will come out and publicly claim his role that I think he is, which will make everyone afraid to vote for him - the way Matt's claim seemed to make folks skittish.
But as I figure it, three people are lying. Claws said earlier this game is about finding who's lying.
Grumpy, MTR, and CWE do you think I should just reveal who I think everyone's role is?
Or should I just nominate psycho or xan?
Xanjori, you gave me pause when you nominated Matt, because I was still sus on him. But the fact you said you can't figure this game out has pinged me - I believe you are a much better player than to pretend that you don't know what's going on.
And I still don't feel great about Psycho. I am trying to figure out how much of that is residual anger from his nominating me. Based on POE, I think his role narrowed down to a couple, neither of which can be proven nor disproven.
I am afraid that if I nominate Xanjori, he will come out and publicly claim his role that I think he is, which will make everyone afraid to vote for him - the way Matt's claim seemed to make folks skittish.
But as I figure it, three people are lying. Claws said earlier this game is about finding who's lying.
Grumpy, MTR, and CWE do you think I should just reveal who I think everyone's role is?
Or should I just nominate psycho or xan?
GrumpyCat
Mastermind
GrumpyCat
Mastermind
Both are well within demon/evil range. Take your pick, there could still be time for both of them. Al least you know Psycho nomination won't kill you.
GrumpyCat
Mastermind
I havn't seen any of your posts as an attemt to bait the kill. I think even I did a better job at it and I wasn't even trying ;p
Psycho was "cleared" by CWE, but that could be a result of CWE getting false info as a drunk, or by CWE getting false info by being poisoned.
Vote: I nominate Psycho
Xanjori
Godfather
I thought the idea was to clear the poe of me/matt/bn/listo? Or am I missing something?
We need a yeet in order to get information. We know there are 3 evil players who will not vote for one of their own. We started with 11 players, including 3 evil, 1 outsider (a drunk who thinks they are town), and 7 town. We have lost two town, so we are down to 5. We cannot afford to have non-voters anymore.
@CWE, I get why you might not be inclined to vote for psycho, based on the information you reported. Would you consider voting for him anyway, knowing the possibility / likelihood that you were given incorrect info?
@Claws, you made a comment earlier that you trust Psycho, along the lines of if he's evil you will eat a sock. BN asked why, because based on privately shared info about your role, we are trying to understand what this is based on?
@Nightmare Queen Miko , you have been very quiet, and I presume its because you are having a hard time following. I believe that you are town, but we can't keep letting scum slip by. Would you please consider voting, and to vote yes simply to help us get information?
@Xanjori - is there any reason you won't vote for Psycho? If you are who I think you are, we will benefit from us keeping you alive now. We can't pick Matt again today. Based on information BN shared with me privately, and a private conversation I had with Listo, I still think Psycho is the best option at the moment.
@Listo, based on what you've claimed to me, is there any reason you won't vote for Psycho, to at least help us get information?
@Matthieu, if you are in fact the soldier, is there any reason you won't vote?
@Psycho, I would understand why you wouldn't vote for yourself if you are scum, but if you are town and we get close, would you please consider helping town get information?
I nominated Psycho, so I will
Vote: YES
@CWE, I get why you might not be inclined to vote for psycho, based on the information you reported. Would you consider voting for him anyway, knowing the possibility / likelihood that you were given incorrect info?
@Claws, you made a comment earlier that you trust Psycho, along the lines of if he's evil you will eat a sock. BN asked why, because based on privately shared info about your role, we are trying to understand what this is based on?
@Nightmare Queen Miko , you have been very quiet, and I presume its because you are having a hard time following. I believe that you are town, but we can't keep letting scum slip by. Would you please consider voting, and to vote yes simply to help us get information?
@Xanjori - is there any reason you won't vote for Psycho? If you are who I think you are, we will benefit from us keeping you alive now. We can't pick Matt again today. Based on information BN shared with me privately, and a private conversation I had with Listo, I still think Psycho is the best option at the moment.
@Listo, based on what you've claimed to me, is there any reason you won't vote for Psycho, to at least help us get information?
@Matthieu, if you are in fact the soldier, is there any reason you won't vote?
@Psycho, I would understand why you wouldn't vote for yourself if you are scum, but if you are town and we get close, would you please consider helping town get information?
I nominated Psycho, so I will
Vote: YES
CWE
Godfather
Psycho has been town Psycho since he started posting. I don't see how I could vote him out unless I'm needed as the hammer. And if it was for rhe besinterest for town.
@PsychoSoldier
What are you?
PsychoSoldier
Administrator
Xanjori
Godfather
I mean I nommed Matt and just said me/BN/LIsto so I dunno where you are getting this from
Xanjori
Godfather
I mean Id vote him but now he self voted I dont think he is evil. Like does it actually help us here to kill him?
Saint is an outsider, and we only have one outsider, the drunk. I suspect Psycho was given the mayor role as a safe fake.
Will you answer BN's question, that I repeated, what info did you have that would make you think Psycho was good?
We need to get a kill, so we can learn info from it. We can't nominate Matthieu again. Who else would you have gone with? We can't dilly-dally and let time run out and lose our chance to get information.
Claws
All-Knowing
His role i know his role every1 does now its nothing special it was just a more town esk role
I believe we should know everyone's "town" roles by now, but three players are lying, as evil was given "safe" roles to hide behind.
Xanjori
Godfather
Listo or BN no?
BN claimed publicly very early, and has shared info with me (about his role's finding) that he didn't need to, as well as part of the conversations he had with Claws. He certainly could have been lying to me, I just am not sure.
If BN was the demon, he'd have known his team and the safe claims, to share or to get passed along to others on his team.
While only the demon knew the safe roles, the demon only needed to communicate with one of his team, who also would have talked with the other. If the demon found out who was poisoned, they could assign the roles.
BN talked with Claws, who talked with Psycho and Listo.
I think Grumpy was the other person who had chatted, I'd have to go look for sure. Based on Grumpy's post-death contributions at solving, I think Grumpy is town, and possibly even the person who was poisoned.
Psycho being the mayor could mean that Grumpy or MTR was not the intended target, but I think his mayor claim could be a fake claim based on "safe" claim assigned. His voting himself may be a ruse to stay in character and slow down the voting, but it may be a legit apology for his not being as engaged as he typically is when he plays.
Blind Ninja
Mastermind
What information will we gain from a yeet? We dont get a flip? Only thing we gain is a voting record and likely another dead town.
What did I share with you privately, that you are alluding to in the at Xan... because the rules of the game are in the OP about nominations.
Again, what do we learn. No flips. We gain a vote trail.
You could have shared, and likely have shared, multiple peoples private conversations across this entire game. If I didnt think you were town based on Grumpy's role and my trust, Id have wanted your head.
I talked to Crumpy, Claws and You. All 3 cleared by grumpy and/or death. If ive been lead astray, its been by you.
PsychoSoldier
Administrator
GrumpyCat
Mastermind
Undertaker gets flips from executions but right now it doesnt look like we have any.
I dont know if yeets would give us info.
But pure chance of winning is better even if we yeet blindly compared to sleeping everyday and waiting for game to end.
I dont even know if demon geting shot would end the game because they need to be yeeted otherwise they just get replaced by minion?
Blind Ninja
Mastermind
From what I understand, game ends with the demon dead... with the caveat of as long as there isnt a scarlet woman in play and >5 people remaining.
We don't get a flip, but the information might be more than just the voting record. We shall see. But the voting record itself is more than we have now.
The suspicions you shared privately about the role you, the washerwoman, learned existed in this game, that have not been shared publicly.
We have to consider that the "clears" you mention might have been poisoned. And I fully I acknowledge that would also include my own clear, from your point of view.
For now, I think this is a lot of tinfoil , because my guess remains on Psycho. If it's not him, I am trying to figure out if evil talked to each other - somehow - to convey their safe roles.
GrumpyCat
Mastermind
Right, after rereading demon geting shot without scarlet lady or with less than 5 players ends the game.
Otherwise demon needs to specifically kill himself to be replaced.
Best of luck, Listo! If you're a caffeine addict, these fasting appointments especially suck!
I am depressed about my fellow townspeople not voting at all.
We cannot nominate Psycho nor Matthieu again today, as it is past 11 EST
I have been thinking about this way too much. It occurs to me that if everyone has a plausible / safe town role, it is very likely that the demon and minions communicated about it. But there wasn't really that many private chats going on, especially those that did not involve me, and I know I am either the librarian or the drunk myself. So I am looking at Claws.
BN had privately shared info with me about the results he found out about his role as washerwoman. BN may or may not be involved, but I am wondering why Claws has not been forthcoming about his role while everyone else has claimed. If Claws was the poisoner or the demon, he'd know who his team was, who got poisoned, and what info could be shared.
BN only talked with me, Grumpy and Claws. Claws talked with Listo, BN, and Psycho
The fact that Claws refuses to vote at all, and has done nothing to help town, bugs me the most.
There very likely is a poisoner out there, and it certainly could have been used on Grumpy and CWE.
This is probably a pointless effort on my end, but I'd had to say I didn't at least try my hardest to get info out there.
I would like to
Vote: I nominate Claws
We cannot nominate Psycho nor Matthieu again today, as it is past 11 EST
I have been thinking about this way too much. It occurs to me that if everyone has a plausible / safe town role, it is very likely that the demon and minions communicated about it. But there wasn't really that many private chats going on, especially those that did not involve me, and I know I am either the librarian or the drunk myself. So I am looking at Claws.
BN had privately shared info with me about the results he found out about his role as washerwoman. BN may or may not be involved, but I am wondering why Claws has not been forthcoming about his role while everyone else has claimed. If Claws was the poisoner or the demon, he'd know who his team was, who got poisoned, and what info could be shared.
BN only talked with me, Grumpy and Claws. Claws talked with Listo, BN, and Psycho
The fact that Claws refuses to vote at all, and has done nothing to help town, bugs me the most.
There very likely is a poisoner out there, and it certainly could have been used on Grumpy and CWE.
This is probably a pointless effort on my end, but I'd had to say I didn't at least try my hardest to get info out there.
I would like to
Vote: I nominate Claws
