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Mafia 38 - Trouble Brewing

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BN cannot nominate again today. I am thinking NQM should nominate Claws, as the proven liar. Votes or non-votes will prove useful.

Perhaps some of us dead town should vote as well, saving enough of us for the final.
 
Lets say there are 3 town 3 scum right now majority is 4. If those are tied votes we get no lynch, so we would need 5. That requires 2 dead player votes already. I would have to see how many votes it would leave us with for tommorow.
 
GrumpyCat said:
I still don't see Claws as a demon, I am not using my last vote on that one.
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Do you believe Claws is a minion? I am thinking Claws is the poisoner. I do not believe that Claw is the chef.

Secondly, once Listo publicly identified as the slayer, why wouldn't the demon try to take him out ASAP? Yet, they chose to take me out. The scum team knows who is on their team, so they knew I was not a threat.

This is making me feel that Listo is lying about being the slayer. I think it was a safe role. I'd be willing to risk my last vote on it, if it would preserve @Nightmare Queen Miko and her ability to nominate.
 
3puppies said:
First, I was clearly wrong about your role, as I thought you were the virgin.

Second, this makes Claws evil for sure, and someone working with Claws.

@BN, did you mention to Claws that I shared with you that Grumpy was the empath, and had cleared me and Claws? If so, that would have let Claws know he would have to keep poisoning Grumpy until Grumpy's death.

NQM did not have private chats with anyone. She would not have known she needed to kill Grumpy to keep Claws alive.
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I didnt share information that wasnt directly shared with me and OK'd to pass on... you did do that.

If we look at the possibilities alive with 1 pair, would be Matt/Listo, BN/Psycho.

Seeing as NQM doesnt generally lie and gets upset when people imply that she does... Put claws in my firing line. And I know im town, so matt/listo.

@Nightmare Queen Miko Im sorry I nominated you, but you also ignored several of my questions... some of which occurred after you entered the thread. If you want some vindication, Id suggest putting Claws up for nomination... or if you really dont trust me, put me up
 
Blind Ninja said:
I didnt share information that wasnt directly shared with me and OK'd to pass on... you did do that.

If we look at the possibilities alive with 1 pair, would be Matt/Listo, BN/Psycho.

Seeing as NQM doesnt generally lie and gets upset when people imply that she does... Put claws in my firing line. And I know im town, so matt/listo.

@Nightmare Queen Miko Im sorry I nominated you, but you also ignored several of my questions... some of which occurred after you entered the thread. If you want some vindication, Id suggest putting Claws up for nomination... or if you really dont trust me, put me up
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But what I am asking of you, is that did you tell Claws that your role pointed to Claws and NQM as possible spots for the chef? Who mentioned chef first, in your conversation between you and claws? Because you had shared to me that because of your info, certain spots where you thought evil had to be hiding, it was clear to me that you had gotten info from Claws, which meant an answer to the pairs question, the only thing that the chef would know. So to me, that meant Claws must have claimed the chef role to you.

Claws only shared publicly his role once he had been nominated.

I shared info when asked, that I had, unless I was told not to, or told someone I would not share it. Sharing info is how we can catch evil pretenders in lies. But I understand now that this may not have been a good idea, as it made the possibilities clearer for who the demon should target.

Anyway, what do you, @Nightmare Queen Miko and @PsychoSoldier think about my thoughts about Listo and the role of the slayer? Wouldn't that be a smarter target for the demon instead of me?, The slayer is a threat while the librarian is not.
 
3puppies said:
But what I am asking of you, is that did you tell Claws that your role pointed to Claws and NQM as possible spots for the chef? Who mentioned chef first, in your conversation between you and claws? Because you had shared to me that because of your info, certain spots where you thought evil had to be hiding, it was clear to me that you had gotten info from Claws, which meant an answer to the pairs question, the only thing that the chef would know. So to me, that meant Claws must have claimed the chef role to you.

Claws only shared publicly his role once he had been nominated.

I shared info when asked, that I had, unless I was told not to, or told someone I would not share it. Sharing info is how we can catch evil pretenders in lies. But I understand now that this may not have been a good idea, as it made the possibilities clearer for who the demon should target.

Anyway, what do you, @Nightmare Queen Miko and @PsychoSoldier think about my thoughts about Listo and the role of the slayer? Wouldn't that be a smarter target for the demon instead of me?, The slayer is a threat while the librarian is not.
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Those D1 chats are closed and I dont recall exactly what was said. I remember him claiming chef and saying 0 pairs and asking me not to share that information. I dont think I said what role I knew to him, but i could be wrong. This is nearly 2 weeks ago at this point.

Claws did wait an extended period of time to out his information to the thread.
 
Hoping we get another nomination soon. I don't want an innocent kill followed by another kill tonight, then tomorrow the scum controls the nominations by posting early in the day, locking the nominations.

Listo95 said:
Considering I have a 1/7 chance of hitting the demon I’m more likely to have nothing happen when I shoot.
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This was Listo publicly claiming.
 
3puppies said:
Hoping we get another nomination soon. I don't want an innocent kill followed by another kill tonight, then tomorrow the scum controls the nominations by posting early in the day, locking the nominations.


This was Listo publicly claiming.
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That could also have been one of the safe claims the demon had.

I didnt look into who all talked with who... we had 7 town and 11 town roles. Its possible scum coordinated early enough to all have safe claims
 
@Listo95 - If you are the slayer as you claimed to be, I think the only possibility for NQM's info to be true is for MTR and Matthieu to be the evils. So I see no reason for you not to use your role and take out Matthieu. Otherwise, you're clearly going to be targeted this evening.

@Nightmare Queen Miko, you should nominate either one of Matthieu or Listo. From your perspective, I believe this would give town the best chance to win.
 
3puppies said:
Why? Only to prevent another nomination that would save NQM? Since scum wont vote you ran out the clock?
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if you think i dont know how to play please refer to the rules on page one i know what im doing and for bloody sake get a lil backbone and quit whining
 
Blind Ninja said:
It should be obvious that he is scum trying to ensure a town elimination with this action...
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Yes, it was completely obvious to me that Claws is scum with this action. I think Matt is the demon.

Claws' nomination of Psycho is contradictory to the information the NQM shared, that is, there is a pair of evil sitting next to one another.
 
The day ends. NQM is eliminated. Night Six deadline Wednesday 15th @8am est

Claws sent a message to Listo
Claws sent a message to NQM
Claws sent a message to Matthieu
Pups sent a message to Psycho
Psycho sent a message to Pups
 
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There's only so many ways one can say it's morning. The moon goes to sleep I guess? Anyhoo, psych's dead.

Day Six deadline: Friday 17th 8am est
 
PsychoSoldier said:
Oh, I don't think I can nominate as dead? Lol
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pat GIF
 
Actually, I'm just going to call it here since anything past this point won't effect the outcome. There are no other living townsfolk left to nominate the Demon.

Congratulations to the Demon and it's Minions:
Listo, Claws, Matthieu!!!
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Listo playing as: The Imp
Claws playing as: The Spy
Matthieu playing as: The Poisoner

Our Townsfolk-
Psycho playing as The Mayor
MTR playing as The Monk
Xanjori playing as The Undertaker
NQM playing as The Chef
3Pups playing as The Librarian
Grumpy playing as The Empath
And..
CWE as our outsider The Drunk who thought he was the Fortune Teller
 
I honestly dunno how we fucked that up.

We all agreed on me/BN/Listo/Matt as a good POE and then we executed me and NQM even once Claws was caught in a lie. Like its actually impressive
 
Xanjori said:
I honestly dunno how we fucked that up.

We all agreed on me/BN/Listo/Matt as a good POE and then we executed me and NQM even once Claws was caught in a lie. Like its actually impressive
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You had it right you guys werent willing to take risks basically you just demon hunt and ignore minions im surpised i was nominated today as grumpy was pretty spot on that i was the spy
 
Well played, scum.

Town's refusal to execute was our clear downfall.

I appreciate Foxxi calling it early, as with BN remaining alive for town, while there was theoretically the possibility that scum would holster/forget to submit, the likelihood of that happening was not enough to keep us in misery.
 
So there are some changes I will make before I run this again. The first is I think I will set up random neighborhoods for players each day phase. You won't get to pick who you talk to, but everyone will have a talking buddy.

The second is adjusting how the voting works. I really like the style, but I'm not sure it works as well here as it does in a fast paced in-person setting. I'm thinking maybe allowing concurrent nominations. I'll have to noodle on it.

As for gameplay, usually most of the roles in this game don't want to just outright publicly claim because it ruins their effectiveness. Either they won't get killed when they want to, or they will get killed - or worse poisoned and make their info useless. The only roles that typically want to come out with what they know immediately are ones that get info one time at the start of the game and then nothing else.... and generally they are willing to be day one sacrifices because they know they aren't getting any other info - and if an undertaker exists that person can then confirm them.

Despite all the funky roles, this game is much closer to a traditional game of mafia where it's vital to assess how you feel about player comments and actions, since information will very rarely give you concrete evidence.
 
3puppies said:
Claws, I wanted to ask, when you claimed to BN, did you not know the safe roles at that time? And was Grumpy poisoned twice?
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Claws knew to claim chef because he was the Spy. He knew everything that is notated for the game, including which two players BN had as his targets. Since he was one of those people, he knew that the town role BN would have been given was very probally the chef, and he was right (but it should be noted he didn't HAVE to be. The spy can register as town, and if I'd wanted to I could have made up a town role for claws and told BN that claws or NQM was that role. But I didn't decide to be that much of a dick since claws would NOT know that)

Grumpy was never poisoned, claws just registered as town to him both nights.
 
Listo95 said:
I don’t believe he did. On D1 when he activated the chat with me he gave me what him and Matt were and that was about it.
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Nope. He gave you the spy info. Which is why MTR was the first to be killed.

Which should have been another hint there was a spy in the game imo. Sure, random kills can happen on the perfect target... but it's still suspicious when a high priority kill target dies immediately.
 
3puppies said:
And I was surprised that Psycho was able to be killed at night - the role doesn't indicate that a poisoner would affect him
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Any role is effected by poison/drunkeness. If a player is poisoned or drunk they have no actual role. The moderator will pretend they do however if it is necessary so they do not know they are poisoned/drunk.
 
Also it should be noted that the mayor says the kill MAY deflect. It is absolutely the moderator's choice. It's not a coin flip or whatever. Moderator decides what happens when a Mayor is attacked
 
Sorry for basically checking out of the game after I got sick. It was hard to get my head back into things. I definitely want another crack at this when I can be all in.
 
3puppies said:
And I was surprised that Psycho was able to be killed at night - the role doesn't indicate that a poisoner would affect him
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Yeah I thought it only prevents actions and they dont have one except a passive.

Whitch would basically be auto win for town because they cant kill mayor and we had enough votes stored to get both listo and matt.
I must have forgotten to mention claws cant be a demon sorry for that.
 
Sorry I was such a lump this game. My job has been kicking my ass, and when I found myself arguing in circles about who could be evil based on all the role shenanigans, and knowing that I'd basically never get a confirmation of whether I was right until the game was over, I just struggled to get into and wrap my head around this
 
NQM, I hope your computer issues are all totally resolved. That must have sucked in the middle of all of this. I wish you would have nominated Listo yesterday - but even then, I don't know if we could have convinced enough others to vote him instead of you.

Foxxi, as for game tweaks, instead of blanket allowing multi-nominations at the same time, but to prevent scum from blocking nominations by running out the clock, perhaps you could allow another nomination once someone has enough to be yeeted.
 
GrumpyCat said:
Yeah I thought it only prevents actions and they dont have one except a passive.

Whitch would basically be auto win for town because they cant kill mayor and we had enough votes stored to get both listo and matt.
I must have forgotten to mention claws cant be a demon sorry for that.
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You had enough votes, but you did not have enough time. Even if BN had died instead of psych, you still were down to 4 living players. Kill anyone other than listo and now it's 3 - listo murders whoever is alive that isn't psych and it's two players and Demon wins.
 
Claws said:
@3puppies im sorry i was being hard on you i absolutly saw your frustrations id nominate you as mvp for your town group you were activly solving even while dead and making an effort to turn the game around
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This is kind of you to say now, and I won't hold it against you. If I were in your position I'd have been doing the same thing you did. Also curious, were your last day messages to your team telling / asking them to block nominations today?
 
3puppies said:
NQM, I hope your computer issues are all totally resolved. That must have sucked in the middle of all of this. I wish you would have nominated Listo yesterday - but even then, I don't know if we could have convinced enough others to vote him instead of you.

Foxxi, as for game tweaks, instead of blanket allowing multi-nominations at the same time, but to prevent scum from blocking nominations by running out the clock, perhaps you could allow another nomination once someone has enough to be yeeted.
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Still has issues... scum nominate someone people don't want to eliminate and unless people decide to yeet them just to re-open nominations, then it still just eats the clock.
 
Mod MVP goes to Claws. He performed perfectly as a minion. A minion's job is to make sure the Demon doesn't get eliminated, and an element of that is drawing enough attention/suspicion that it distracts town from where they should be looking.

Honorary mention goes to Pups, if it had been thought on more about his observations about chats, I think town would have had this. If that had been combined with Grumpy knowing claws was very unlikely to be the demon - (Not impossible mind you, grumpy could have been poisoned two nights in a row, it happens. Especially if a poisoner catches on to someone being an info gathering role) - and NQM's info of one pair... it would have become fairly clear that one of listo/matt had to be the Demon.
 
Foxxi said:
You had enough votes, but you did not have enough time. Even if BN had died instead of psych, you still were down to 4 living players. Kill anyone other than listo and now it's 3 - listo murders whoever is alive that isn't psych and it's two players and Demon wins.
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Right, I was confused because game doesnt end on parity, but still does on 2.
 
Foxxi said:
Still has issues... scum nominate someone people don't want to eliminate and unless people decide to yeet them just to re-open nominations, then it still just eats the clock.
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If you can have lets say 3 nominations running at the same time then it shouldnt block anything unless scum make them after about 32-34 hours into a day.
 
3puppies said:
This is kind of you to say now, and I won't hold it against you. If I were in your position I'd have been doing the same thing you did. Also curious, were your last day messages to your team telling / asking them to block nominations today?
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Nominations are 12 hours and day lasts 48. We could still fit 4th nomination as long as town was arould at right time.
 
Typically when the game is played in person day lasts either until no one wants to nominate, or no one can nominate. If we did that here days would last like a week... so I tried to keep it in the time frames we are more familiar with. The issue I have with concurrent nominations though is it would make things a bit more confusing since people could vote yes or no on multiple trials at once. Keeping track of that could get awkward.
 
I liked the ideas behing the game. Way roles work give quite good front load of info to get things started. And way votes work had a potenial to make this game quite exciting.

Unfortulately mid-game seemed like a slog and midgame is my favorite part.
 
Claws said:
Oh i knew everything i actually decided to fuck around and find out with the nqm same claim to spice the game up a bit
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Did you have a chat with Listo day 1? I was so into - chat requests have to be submited and accepted clearly in public - that I missed it even if it probably was in there somewhere ;p
 
Yes, Listo and Claws chatted on Day 1. It was a big reason I was most suspicious of Claws, as he had interaction with the most people other than me, and I knew I was either town, or the drunk myself.
 
I have been thinking that after I had been nominated, I probably should have voted for myself, to get myself executed, and at least give Xanjori a chance to get info to prove I was the Librarian. I had nothing else to contribute for town, and nobody was following my nominations.

My big mistake was in not fully thinking about the spy role's power - I kept thinking about the poisoner and the lady. And I had convinced myself that NQM was the virgin, which turned out dead wrong.
 
Spy is like a godfather in a game with no scum chat. Very low power role.

I was leaning scarlet over poisoner because I thought game with drunk and poisoner could be to confusing for first one.
 
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