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Claws said:
Ofc
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Also, I fucking said so early??? But nobody wanted to vote him cause I was so much more suspicious apparently 🤷

Anyway I was asking cause by the time I died I thought it was Dreyski and MTR, but if Drey was the doc then someone else was obviously scum

And I feel like Mitch is doing the exact same thing now that he did in the previous rand, which was to just decide to up and scumread me and find reasons for it after, instead of organically forming a scumread on me

So don't ignore it this time???
 
WindwardAway said:
Also, I fucking said so early??? But nobody wanted to vote him cause I was so much more suspicious apparently 🤷

Anyway I was asking cause by the time I died I thought it was Dreyski and MTR, but if Drey was the doc then someone else was obviously scum

And I feel like Mitch is doing the exact same thing now that he did in the previous rand, which was to just decide to up and scumread me and find reasons for it after, instead of organically forming a scumread on me

So don't ignore it this time???
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Like you guys are nuts if you just firmly believe every single time I push anyone that I have to be scum, and completely ignore the player pushing me for completely made-up reasons. You can't vote me out today, but if you absolutely need to flip me to believe that I'm town, flip me tomorrow and then flip Mitch after that cause his play is absolutely not towny AND I TRIED TO TELL YOU THAT BEFORE.
 
It's textbook scumplay by Mitch, I would've said that last game but I decided Satsu was also textbook scumplay and he was town so lol me.
 
And that's my best guess for now, I'm just gonna ignore MTR because Mitch is voting him and he had the most uninterested vote ever. Like Mitch is clearly not voting a partner, if I'm right that he's scum. If I'm wrong and Mitch is town then I don't fucking know what MTR is.
 
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6 - Mitch: CWE(593), Void(594), Satsu(648), Wind(681), Claws(712),
3 - MTR: LDG(461), Matthieu(463), Mitch(643),
2 - Val: Wind(529), Drey(617),
1 - Void: MTR(507),
1 - CWE: Val(515),

Not currently voting: Badger
Current as of post 712
 
Anyway, carry on, but we're -1 on Mitch so I'm gonna unvote to avoid hammer this early, let people talk a bit more, and place my vote on him again in the morning (Central European Time) if he hasn't been hammered by then.

Just wanna give people the chance to say their piece, including Mitch if he has a defense.

Unvote:
 
You said I'm not doing anything to convince people I'm town but I clearly said earlier I am more valuable to the town alive than dead...
 
MitchRapp said:
What more would you like me to do? Jumping Jacks and spell out TOWN like a high school football team?
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That would be cool but maybe not super helpful

What's your opinion on Satsu this time around? You were neighbors with him last time, I remember you didn't seem keen on the wagon on him, and he was town. Do you think his play after re-rand is any different?
 
It's hard to say based on his posts in here. My opinion on him last round was based on some of the things he said in the town chat. The way he explained things and came forward about things I thought that if he were scum he would have been better off not bringing them up since I did not approach the subject with him.
 
Dreyski said:
It's CWE. But I don't recall a double voter in the first incarnation so it's either an extra power role to match our extra player, or all the power roles changed.
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Some of them definitely changed.
That just makes me wonder if LDG really did rand cop
But do you guys actually have N0 checks here? I thought that was basically unheard of in low player count games.
 
MitchRapp said:
It's hard to say based on his posts in here. My opinion on him last round was based on some of the things he said in the town chat. The way he explained things and came forward about things I thought that if he were scum he would have been better off not bringing them up since I did not approach the subject with him.
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And to get back to you on this, yeah that's fair, I thought maybe you'd have gotten a better feel for Satsu's town meta in the hood chat so I was fishing to see if you could draw any related conclusions here, if you're town.
 
First time I heard of it (though I have seen a D1 vig kill) I reckon LDG was trying to be spicy and claim cop after the game ended, whether she was or not.
 
I do not suspect Satsu at the moment. The votes on me feel like how I have played in the past so I am not inclined to do the whole you voted for me so Im voting for you thing. The more we talk about LDG claiming to already have info the less I like it. Not willing to vote with LDG anymore. Therefore I shall:

Vote: LDG
 
We have said like 3 or 4 people have been scum at this point from last game lol.

Who actually were the scum? Ideally from the people who were actually the scum. Not people just guessing based on feelers.
 
  1. Claws
  2. CWE
  3. Dreyski
  4. LemonDemonGirl
  5. MitchRapp
  6. MTR
  7. Val
Two of these were scum before the re-rand. Who is claiming to be scum in the before times?
 
Saying Goodbye Will Smith GIF by MOODMAN


Everyone must be meeting up in scum chat deciding how to respond...
 
MitchRapp said:
So LDG is claiming to be the cop in back to back randoms? The actual odds of that are .7% or 1 in 132 assuming there was 1 cop each random...
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It's funny cause deadchat never heard anything at all about a cop
But uh, ok
And if we believe LDG was a cop, then MTR was one of the scum, from her info
 
CWE said:
I've seen someone roll GF 4 games in a row. Odds ain't nothing but a number.
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Yeah that's just gambler's fallacy if people think you can't roll the same thing multiple times in a row. The odds of randing the same role are always the same, it's just the overall chance of that particular combination that happens to be a bit lower. But the rand in one game does not affect the rand in another game, unless the host is tampering with it lol.
 
CWE said:
So were there ANY scum? Or did our (evil?) mod just random kill every night?
@Foxxi
:squint:
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I actually wondered that overnight, but deadchat was told there were 2 scum and a jester, and I guess LDG had pegged MTR as scum.

Shame that we didn't get to see those cop results before rerand.
 
I feel less inclined to vote Mitch since his play has been similar to the previous rand, now that he's informed us he was town there.

Unvote: Val

Cause I noticed my vote is still stuck on Val in the vote count for some odd reason
Would probably be willing to vote him, but not like that xD
 
I verify that Claws sent me a watermelon on the night of my death, he was probably town in the previous game because trying to confirm his role while his teammate kills his only chance at confirmation is pretty dumb
 
VoidKitten said:
As always, CWE does not blatantly lie. Nor does he participate in fae speak to the level of our moderator.

But, if your question is not clear and has a glaringly obvious out, he'd take it.

Like and he can correct me if im wrong. In the before times, if he were asked "Are you town" he could say no. But if he was asked "Are you scum" he couldn't say yes because Jester is not actually scum.

Assuming of course, he answers any direct questions.
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On that, I was waiting for someone/anyone to ask me if I was a threat.

My answer would have been "Define threat. :shifty: "
 
So four people have said they were town leaving MTR as the only one who hasn't said something.

Clearly one of you four is lying for no fucking reason lol.
 
WindwardAway said:
It's funny cause deadchat never heard anything at all about a cop
But uh, ok
And if we believe LDG was a cop, then MTR was one of the scum, from her info
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Did yall know about a doctor? Because if a doctor was discussed, i find it unlikely that a cop was never discussed at all. ever.
 
I just dont know why LDG would be lying for no reason.

Claws was confirmed his action and mitch was a neighbor, also confirmed.

So its MTR, Val, or LDG as the scum.

MTR hasn't said shit and his reaction when he came into the game sounds possible from a scum PoV.

Really, we just need MTR to tell us what he was and if he was scum, who his partner was
 
Like, I could see a world where MTR and LDG are teamed and the reset happens and she now says MTR is scum not realizing he may or may not have swapped?

Idk. I don't like that someone just isn't admitting to it.
 
Well, since CWE and I mentioned it.

Make sure yall look back at the previous game too. Look for any playstyle changes. Anyone swapping from scum to town or town to scum mid game will likely have some type of tonal shift. That is what i felt MTR had coming in.

Someone else went in the other direction. But im not like 100% on that.
 
VoidKitten said:
Did yall know about a doctor? Because if a doctor was discussed, i find it unlikely that a cop was never discussed at all. ever.
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The doctor was discussed, and we were told the doctor forgot to submit. Which is why we thought it was LDG, but since Drey claimed doc and verified that they forgot to submit, I think that confirms Drey as the doctor. But no, we never heard anything about a cop at all, and that's why LDG's claim really threw me off.
 
VoidKitten said:
Like, I could see a world where MTR and LDG are teamed and the reset happens and she now says MTR is scum not realizing he may or may not have swapped?

Idk. I don't like that someone just isn't admitting to it.
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That's so scuffed though, it doesn't even accomplish anything after rerand
 
VoidKitten said:
Well, since CWE and I mentioned it.

Make sure yall look back at the previous game too. Look for any playstyle changes. Anyone swapping from scum to town or town to scum mid game will likely have some type of tonal shift. That is what i felt MTR had coming in.

Someone else went in the other direction. But im not like 100% on that.
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This is exactly why I was pointing fingers at Mitch, but I'm actually just stupid and don't know how process of elimination works (thought his play had not changed, and that he was previously scum)
 
Matthieu was way more talkative after rerand but it's likely in part because we didn't pile on him immediately, so I'm not sure if that has anything to do with alignment
 
WindwardAway said:
This is exactly why I was pointing fingers at Mitch, but I'm actually just stupid and don't know how process of elimination works (thought his play had not changed, and that he was previously scum)
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I am still on that. His intro post felt like someone who had to focus on things.

Either a town to scum or scum to town.

Town to town may have been different and more relaxed.

Then compare posts during the before times and then now.

My vote on him wasn't random :D
 
VoidKitten said:
I am still on that. His intro post felt like someone who had to focus on things.

Either a town to scum or scum to town.

Town to town may have been different and more relaxed.

Then compare posts during the before times and then now.

My vote on him wasn't random :D
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He was super super tunneled on me in the first rand but I thought it was scum focus cause it felt like he was finding reasons to back his read instead of the other way around.

But he started off the same here, and then after I pushed him back, he backed off a bit faster?
Idk, maybe you're right and his alignment changed. I was mostly looking at how he started out immediately after the rerand and got stuck on that.
 
Alright, a quick post or two before I go out to the restaurant...

I'm torn on LDG. This is a game with bastard elements so I could totally see LDG being given the cop role twice in a row.

Though is LDG explicitly claiming to be a cop the second time around or just referring to the first time?

Either way, we've also had some pretty impossible odds come into play in these games in the past so I don't tend to put too much weight on pure statistical chances.
 
He was Satsu's neighbor pre-rand and I assume they're not neighbors again, though. That's why I poked Mitch to give a read on Satsu if he had one. Maybe I should also poke @Satsu to ask whether he thinks Mitch is playing different to the first rand.
 
Matthieu said:
Alright, a quick post or two before I go out to the restaurant...

I'm torn on LDG. This is a game with bastard elements so I could totally see LDG being given the cop role twice in a row.

Though is LDG explicitly claiming to be a cop the second time around or just referring to the first time?

Either way, we've also had some pretty impossible odds come into play in these games in the past so I don't tend to put too much weight on pure statistical chances.
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LDG said she got a cop on MTR from the previous rand, not this one, but to my knowledge we didn't even have a cop? Which is very confusing. It's possible we had a cop and Foxxi just never mentioned it, but we knew there were 2 scum, a jester, a doctor, and 2 neighbors.
 
Sorry I was logged out of Discord plus out last night so didn’t even notice I’d been resurrected.

I’ll read through and catch up later.
 
VoidKitten said:
Like, I could see a world where MTR and LDG are teamed and the reset happens and she now says MTR is scum not realizing he may or may not have swapped?

Idk. I don't like that someone just isn't admitting to it.
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Still thinking about this. Does LDG ever bus like that? Claims cop as scum, outs a redcheck on a partner, and after rerand could maybe be scum trying to push town on old info? Or maybe just accidental...
 
WindwardAway said:
Still thinking about this. Does LDG ever bus like that? Claims cop as scum, outs a redcheck on a partner, and after rerand could maybe be scum trying to push town on old info? Or maybe just accidental...
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She doesn't plan like that. It is snap reactions.

So, if she were scum I could see her thinking "i need to fake claim!" and just picks something.
I could see her actually being a cop now and conflating things that she did.

She has blatantly lied before, but it was to try something or mimic what others have done.

But theres no usually plan. If there is bussing, its because the partner said to.
 
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