Mafia 17 - The Interim Throne

[Satsu]

Or we could talk abour king.

 

[Badger]

He is not the mastermind or the sk. He could have been recruited last night sadly. But thats the gamemgo fir sk and mastermind first.

Fair enuffskis.

Like I say just digesting at the mo.

 

[MitchRapp]

Or we could talk abour king.

Now things are getting juicy.

 

[Badger]

Don’t tell me Futurrre is at it agaaain lol

 

[ForgottenHold]

Does this mean that LDG is the Fool?

LDG is LDG, that’s what this means

 

[ForgottenHold]

Or we could talk abour king.

What about me?

 

[Satsu]

Okay so I forgot the game again. I’m a bad king.

Ok so what do you think? I know you could have good ideas.

 

[ForgottenHold]

Ok so what do you think? I know you could have good ideas.

I got no surefire way to prove my innocence right now and I’m not trying to.

The moment my true intentions are revealed I’m dead no matter what

 

[Matthieu]

Listo the Alchemist, protected Satsu aka the Prince on Night One, which is why the Prince survived.

Satsu was the one who told me that Listo, in our N1 chat, was the Alchemist. I had seen the hints but hadn't read all the cards enough to understand who he was hinting to be.

King Future, as I recall, Val outright denied being the Fool.

Vote: Matthieu

This is part OMGUS, and partly because you didn't catch that Satsu cleared me as BlueDragon. I pasted my rolecard to him when I was held prisoner.

Why are you voting me for that?

 

[3puppies]

WTF, Badger?

NVM, saw you unvoted.

@CWE, it looks like a healing can now only come from a Physician, tonight, since the Alchemist is dead.

Since CWE's action failed, it was either a jail or a role block. But if jailed, then he would not have been able to be attacked and wouldn't be bleeding now.

@ForgottenHold can you elaborate? Any thoughts on anyone at all?

 

[3puppies]

Why are you voting me for that?

Why would you vote for me when I am clearly Blue Dragon?

 

[Badger]

Sorry, didn’t read through at first Cerberus. Thought you’d been quiet then read what you had to say.

 

[Matthieu]

Why would you vote for me when I am clearly Blue Dragon?

Well, for starters it was by no means 'clear' as I did not pick up on it. Some of Satsu's posts, especially his recent ones, have been genuinely difficult to parse.

Unvote: 3puppies

 

[Matthieu]

Actually, scratch that.

Vote: 3puppies

It's a cult game, so nobody can be truly cleared and there's nothing suggesting that two devious players could not conspire to clear each other.

 

[VoidKitten]

Day 3 Vote Count:

Satsu - 1 (Val #481)
MitchRapp - 1 (Satsu #483)
Matthieu - 1 (3puppies #495)
3puppies - 1 (Matthieu #514)

Not Voting: CWE, FutureHold, LemonDemonGirl, MitchRapp, morrison, MTR, Robozerim, Xanjori, Badger #499)

It is now Day 3. Day 3 will end when a player is executed, two trials end in pardon, or 48 hours pass (May 31st 8:00pm ET). With 13 players alive, a majority nomination for treason requires 7 votes on a player.

 

[3puppies]

If your concern was about the less vocal among us, I get it. I was busy couponing for the long weekend when this game started. I tried to contribute more yesterday.

Your suggestion that I have conspired with Satsu is ludicrous. He claimed the Prince role, and nobody is challenging that. There has to be a Prince role. It would be incredibly risky and idiotic to claim that on D2 if he wasn't, because the real Prince would easily bring him up for treason. It would end up being a very short game.

 

[MitchRapp]

Me reading this and trying to follow all of the voting and unvoting and string logic.

 

[Matthieu]

If your concern was about the less vocal among us, I get it. I was busy couponing for the long weekend when this game started. I tried to contribute more yesterday.

Your suggestion that I have conspired with Satsu is ludicrous. He claimed the Prince role, and nobody is challenging that. There has to be a Prince role. It would be incredibly risky and idiotic to claim that on D2 if he wasn't, because the real Prince would easily bring him up for treason. It would end up being a very short game.

Nobody should be above suspicion in a cult game, though. Who knows? Maybe I'm wrong and I hope so - but there's been games with this setup where individuals have exploited the fact that all the role cards are available to pull off risky plays.

You could have simply corrected me, as it really is easy to miss key details in these days.

My initial vote was simply because you were the player with the least votes at the time, though, as you say.

 

[Matthieu]

Me reading this and trying to follow all of the voting and unvoting and string logic.

A bonus, then.

Unvote: 3puppies

 

[Satsu]

Be caeful to not vote that much ppl. You could be wrong.

What woyld ir say of you.

 

[Satsu]

Be caeful to not vote that much ppl. You could be wrong.

What woyld ir say of you.

 

[Matthieu]

huh

 

[MitchRapp]

The post so nice he said it twice.

 

[Satsu]

This site is so bugged it doubles great posts

 

[Satsu]

Even is it was a shitpost. Gn see you latersn

 

[Matthieu]

...are you typing whilst drunk?

 

[Satsu]

Sure why wouldnt i. Its a gateway to the truth.

 

[Satsu]

Exxcept for the younglings. Dont do it. Burns brain cells. Or so some dumb ppl say.

 

[ForgottenHold]

Alright. So let’s look at things. 3Puppies isn’t exactly safe, but I do believe he was safe during that prince conversation. But also, I’ve had Foxxi in my Prince conversations roleclaiming as the butler and she turned out to be have been scum since the first Prince conversation.

So its not out of the picture

 

[ForgottenHold]

The thing about a game allowing role claims is that you can fake role claims

 

[3puppies]

The thing about a game allowing role claims is that you can fake role claims

But to do so is very risky in a game where someone with that role will be able to call you out on it, and investigate.

The moment my true intentions are revealed I’m dead no matter what

This reads to me like you have a fearful or more likely a guilty conscience. If you were a starting good king, wouldn't you'd be considering / hoping / expecting to survive until victory?

Or has your personal history of being burdened by randing scum so often clouded your posting style.

I'd like to hear other's thoughts on our Forgotten king

 

[MitchRapp]

And now silence. Interesting.

 

[MTR]

Being a novice to this type of game, its not the end of the world to lose a neutral right?

Its not but he was a survivor so he was not a threat to Blue Dragon or Unseen so seems kind of mean to not keep him around.

 

[MTR]

Okay....I didn't know he was an alchemist? Did he claim it at some point? Heavily hint at it? It was painful reading the alternating capital and lower case messaging so I skimmed at best what he said.

yeah he totally hinted at it.

 

[MTR]

Trying to catch up.

Do we really have a good choice to put on trial?

We still seem to be all over the place.

 

[MitchRapp]

If I were ranking the candidates I would say:

The King
Matthieu

But I dont love either of those but reality is we probably need to start making some moves here.

 

[MitchRapp]

Also if anyone wants to kill Badger I will join that vote. Just saying.

 

[Badger]

Also if anyone wants to kill Badger I will join that vote. Just saying.

Umm what?

Look I know we kinda got off on the wrong foot but ummm what?

 

[ForgottenHold]

And now silence. Interesting.

That isn’t indicative of anything. I don’t need to respond immediately to anything

 

[ForgottenHold]

But to do so is very risky in a game where someone with that role will be able to call you out on it, and investigate.




This reads to me like you have a fearful or more likely a guilty conscience. If you were a starting good king, wouldn't you'd be considering / hoping / expecting to survive until victory?

Or has your personal history of being burdened by randing scum so often clouded your posting style.

I'd like to hear other's thoughts on our Forgotten king

If I said I was a Good King, I would be dead no? Because scum would want to try to get their own as King.

The King wants to survive. I may sound suspicious but that’s on purpose

 

[MitchRapp]

I have reason to believe Listo is a good guy

I found this interesting. Just bringing it forward again.

 

[MitchRapp]

That isn’t indicative of anything. I don’t need to respond immediately to anything

I was more interested that no one had anything to say for several hours. Not you specifically.

 

[MitchRapp]

Vote: Blind Ninja

He did not miss the last few games and this is my traditional D1 vote.

I do NOT intent to lynch him today.

This is another one that I find interesting a few days later.

 

[Matthieu]

Well, I can safely say that going after me is the wrong move...

I don't really like the sudden pivot to Future. I've found his posts to be pretty reasonable.

 

[MitchRapp]

I mean no one is even voting him yet.

 

[Val the Moofia Boss]

Down with these traitors to the throne!

 

[Xanjori]

I found this interesting. Just bringing it forward again.

Can you tell me why its interesting when he was a 3P?

 

[MitchRapp]

I found this interesting. Just bringing it forward again.

If we want to get into the minutia of it we can debate "good." I just found it as in interesting post. I like to go back after a few days of the game and see if anything sticks out.

 

[CWE]

Dammit, still bleeding. Sleeping usually fixes things...

 

[3puppies]

Dammit, still bleeding. Sleeping usually fixes things...

Are you surprised? I didn't see any way that you could be healed until night time.

You suggested you would share your role, and maybe convince the Physician to heal you tonight.

 

[3puppies]

morrison, we haven't heard from you lately. Any thoughts?

 

[3puppies]

If I said I was a Good King, I would be dead no? Because scum would want to try to get their own as King.

The King wants to survive. I may sound suspicious but that’s on purpose

But you said that your goals could only be revealed upon your death. It did not sound like you were considering the goal of surviving.

 

[CWE]

You suggested you would share your role, and maybe convince the Physician to heal you tonight

Yeah. Your right.

Dear Blue Dragons,
Hi. I'm your sheriff. I'm bleeding. Please help me.

 

[3puppies]

Well, for now I trust obviously myself, CWE, Satsu, and Robo, based on claims. I am leaning townish on Badger for the simple fact that with his high volume of posts, he didn't seem to have had time to post in the scum chat.

I am feeling more likely town or neutral about Val, and not likely unseen.

Don't feel great about Future because the randomness of distribution odds means our king is more likely than not to be not Blue Dragon.

LDG always presents a challenge.

Xanjori, MTR and morrison have not contributed anything meaningful. Mitch seems willing to listen if forced, but I don't actually mind sacrificing Badger at this point if it means we learn something.

Unvote:
Unvote



Vote:
Vote: Badger

 

[Badger]

Stupid insomnia and warm weather can’t sleep. Also ran out of cigarettes..

*peeks at 3pups post*

Feels townish on me, doesn’t feel great on others yet wants to sacrifice me out of all to “learn something”

I’m not even on weed right now but feels like I am lol

 

[CWE]

...are you typing whilst drunk?

I would never post drunk...

I leave that for Drunk CWE.

 

[morrison]

morrison, we haven't heard from you lately. Any thoughts?

i just laid out the potential town roles that can help cwe with the bleed earlier today. there's not much else to to go with.

 

[Badger]

Yeah it’s a bit of a weird one. Could be another role like Morri says, could be conversion shenanigans, maybe something else just happened during the night. Maybe healer isn’t active.

 

[MitchRapp]

Xanjori, MTR and morrison have not contributed anything meaningful. Mitch seems willing to listen if forced, but I don't actually mind sacrificing Badger at this point if it means we learn something.

What does listen if forced mean?

I've made my dislike of Badger known. My willingness to vote him is more out of just not having to read the constant posting. I have tried to help solve as I learn all of these roles. If you think I have been stubborn or missed something please let me know.

 

[ForgottenHold]

But you said that your goals could only be revealed upon your death. It did not sound like you were considering the goal of surviving.

I didn’t say that. I said I am as good as dead

Different things

 

[Badger]

Oh nooo. Badger posts a lot *shock*
Is active *shock*

Let’s get him! Better not hit that post reply button…

Shit oops!

 

[ForgottenHold]

What does listen if forced mean?

I've made my dislike of Badger known. My willingness to vote him is more out of just not having to read the constant posting. I have tried to help solve as I learn all of these roles. If you think I have been stubborn or missed something please let me know.

If you think Badger is a lot, play a game with Psycho or Foxxi

 

[CWE]

Oh nooo. Badger posts a lot *shock*
Is active *shock*

Let’s get him! Better not hit that post reply button…

Shit oops!

I don't normally like to tell people their scum tells...
(Antagonizing Badger is a scummy Badger)
Which can get confusing because sarcastic Badger falls in both camps.

And this post is both antagonizing and sarcastic...so on that alone...

 

[Badger]

I don't normally like to tell people their scum tells...
(Antagonizing Badger is a scummy Badger)
Which can get confusing because sarcastic Badger falls in both camps.

And this post is both antagonizing and sarcastic...so on that alone...

Well…shall respectfully say to that is I don’t like when people tell me I post too much. I make my own decisions..hence the attitude.

 

[CWE]

Hence the both sides of the coin...

I KNOW YOU BOY!!!

 

[Badger]

Well can’t argue that. I’m probably…chapter 7 in the CWE Scum tell book. Chapter 1 is of course JP then maybe Psycho then Maze etc

 

[CWE]

Rule 7 is actually...

No bullshit. It's amazing how diverse that guy is.

 

[MitchRapp]

Can we vote him out now?

 

[3puppies]

Vote: Badger

 

[Badger]

Geez Louise what brought this on?

Not joking but yeah I post a lot. So what?

Vote: 3puppies

He’s acting strange. Says I’m townish, high volume of posts so doesn’t read scum chat. He said he doesn’t like other people. His claim could be made up for all I know.

His reasoning is pure erratic

 

[CWE]

Vote: No death

Selfish? Sure. I ain't voting anyone that might be my salivation.
For now...

Now I'm off. We'll see what the drunk one thinks shortly, I'm sure.

 

[3puppies]

court wizard has a day action to make someone immune to death.

the physician has a night heal that cures bleeding.

the chronomancer has a night action to delay death for two nights. there's also the potential to combo the delay of death into the transfer of the death onto someone else, depending on when the expiration date of the bleed is.

Ah, I missed this earlier. Court Wizard has the "icy veins" 2x day action. If this is active during this day phase, CWE sure would benefit. Otherwise the Phsyician or Chronomancer should step up tonight.

Geez Louise what brought this on?

Not joking but yeah I post a lot. So what?

Vote: 3puppies

He’s acting strange. Says I’m townish, high volume of posts so doesn’t read scum chat. He said he doesn’t like other people. His claim could be made up for all I know.

His reasoning is pure erratic

The antagonism in multiple posts. CWE is one of the few I trust, and that's one of the scum tells I was beginning to think about you. When I was looking back at morrison's earlier posts, I also found where you went a bit harder than necessary on both morrison yesterday and Mitch today. I am truly confused by your posts. Nothing personal if I suspect you might be a little bit filthy. Perhaps you were clean to start but you got converted?

You're calling me erratic is precious, because you read me as town earlier as well. Now you're voting me.

I am certainly willing to move off if someone has something better to go on. What do you think of ForgottenKingFutureHold?

@MitchRapp , when I said you're willing to "listen if forced", I should have said "listen when forced" I don't have you cleared yet but I appreciate that you were wiling to move a vote off me when I explained how the Prince cleared me.

 

[Badger]

*waaaalll of text*

Wait…did Cerberus just say I voted him after initially reading him as town when he LITERALLY did the SAME to me and VOTED me first (after initial unvote as read him as quiet theeen saw his responses).

Lol

 

[3puppies]

What do you think of our King?

 

[Badger]

Who King Futuuurrre?

He’s a lot more active and engaging to be honest. Not the usual scum Future who half arses it and coming across as scummy.

I mean he couuuld be but not seeing it as of yet. He may just be hiding his scum game better.

 

[CWE]

FYI if I die...

The tin foil theory was

Spoiler: Super tin foil

Do we have an evil king? Why did Future put 1/4 up for vote with rhe dice. Or did I misread the event? As if he truly didnt care who went out?

.

Now to go back and see who I trust. As if that matters in a game with recruits...

 

[MitchRapp]

The roll there is was very odd I thought but I didnt know i I was mising something with the mechanics. I am glad you poste there to confirm my suspicions.

 

[Val the Moofia Boss]

Unvote: Satsu

Vote: 3puppies

Vote: No death

Goodness gracious we just had two no lynches in a row and you want to give scum a third free day?

Town can ONLY win by lynching. What, you think there is some vigi out there with unlimited NKs who is going to NK all of the scum for town?

 

[CWE]

No. But I'm not risking my vote on someone that might be the person I need alive. And we have lost 2 in 2 days. None of said 2 are, what's the word I'm looking for...town.

 

[Val the Moofia Boss]

we have lost 2 in 2 days. None of said 2 are, what's the word I'm looking for...town.

That was dumb luck and not thanks to the town playerbase as a whole choosing to pursue victory.

 

[CWE]

Luck matters.

 

[ForgottenHold]

FYI if I die...

The tin foil theory was

Spoiler: Super tin foil

Do we have an evil king? Why did Future put 1/4 up for vote with rhe dice. Or did I misread the event? As if he truly didnt care who went out?

.

Now to go back and see who I trust. As if that matters in a game with recruits...

I don’t have an ability to do that. It was just flavor since it was a tie

 

[ForgottenHold]

Well, for now I trust obviously myself, CWE, Satsu, and Robo, based on claims. I am leaning townish on Badger for the simple fact that with his high volume of posts, he didn't seem to have had time to post in the scum chat.

I am feeling more likely town or neutral about Val, and not likely unseen.

Don't feel great about Future because the randomness of distribution odds means our king is more likely than not to be not Blue Dragon.

LDG always presents a challenge.

Xanjori, MTR and morrison have not contributed anything meaningful. Mitch seems willing to listen if forced, but I don't actually mind sacrificing Badger at this point if it means we learn something.

Unvote:
Unvote



Vote:
Vote: Badger

I don’t know about distributions but I assure you that I have my most loyal subjects in mind

 

[CWE]

I don’t have an ability to do that. It was just flavor since it was a tie

Cool. See...tin foil.

...
...
a likely story.

 

[VoidKitten]

Day 3 Vote Count:

3puppies - 2 (Badger #570, Val #578)
MitchRapp - 1 (Satsu #483)
Badger - 1 (3puppies #554)
Sleep - 1 (CWE #571

Not Voting: FutureHold, LemonDemonGirl, MitchRapp, morrison, MTR, Robozerim, Xanjori, Matthieu #519

It is now Day 3. Day 3 will end when a player is executed, two trials end in pardon, or 48 hours pass (May 31st 8:00pm ET). With 13 players alive, a majority nomination for treason requires 7 votes on a player.

 

[Satsu]

If CWE was bleeding at night then he had to be attacked last day.

If he was attacked d2 it means unseen got a n1 recruit to replace BN as assassin.

If they recruited n1 then last night convert was on cd.

3puppies just cant be cult right now. No chance.

Unvote:
Vote: Badger

 

[Satsu]

If we can have 2 trials per day I would rather have first one on Morrison MTR or Mitch and leave Badger for second one.

 

[Satsu]

And 3puppies is BD unvote him dont fool around.

 

[Badger]

@Satsu now I’m going to unvote and vote Sleep (placeholder)

In my defence..3puppies was all over the map with his reasonings for voting me that I Observed. If you’re verrry sure on him then will think.

I am BD but our good King Future was not one that I could place action on.

I’m in the middle of something so will re-think later and may change vote.

Unvote: 3puppies
Vote: Sleep

 

[LemonDemonGirl]

Vote: Badger
Sorry, I don't trust you right now

 

[Badger]

Okay 3pups thing aside, I am a little confused about what else I have done to be untrustworthy. Should be obvious what role I am.

 

[Satsu]

No sorry i am slow what role you are? I just thought Robo was the observer.

 

[Badger]

That’s strange…thought he was claiming Bear/Hunter.

 

[Satsu]

Oh wow i thought someone else did and is a unique role.

 

[Satsu]

Want to vote Robo insted of Puppies?

 

[Badger]

Why, I just couldn't bear to be recruited these last couple of nights.

@Satsu

Looks like a bear/Hunter claim to me.

 

[Badger]

I must go do things. Just had a new bike delivered and want to test run it so will check on this and answer any questions later.

 

[Satsu]

so that's another reason not to take me out early on if there is no real evidence to bring to bear against me.

I can't help but wonder if it's a trap

Well, I can safely say that going after me is the wrong move...

One has to lie or is a terrible breadcrumber.

Unvote:
Vote: Robozerim

Sheep it. thats the scum I feellike.

 

[CWE]

One has to lie or is a terrible breadcrumber.

Unvote:
Vote: Robozerim

Sheep it. thats the scum I feellike.

Now that's the kinda thing to make me rethink wasting a day...

Unvote: being lazy
Vote: Robozerim

 

[CWE]

Ebwop
Forgot to add. It's the law...