A visit that doesn't actually visit the target.whats an astral visitor
jailor potencially at a risk?unless I'm missing something then it looks like the only other possibility would be the pirate. None of the coven could have killed matthieu I don't think
Coven leader... if Void put in the ability to remove cl defense for powerful attack?unless I'm missing something then it looks like the only other possibility would be the pirate. None of the coven could have killed matthieu I don't think
It's technically possible - but eh. I dunno if I think a jailor would do that N1jailor potencially at a risk?
they would have to be pretty bold d1 i agreeIt's technically possible - but eh. I dunno if I think a jailor would do that N1
Nothing the coven leader card indicates that, so I don't think soCoven leader... if Void put in the ability to remove cl defense for powerful attack?
It's possible - the original rand had 3 neut roles:but 2 neut evils?
Again..It's technically possible - but eh. I dunno if I think a jailor would do that N1
He said he rand'd mazer into any legal role - so I think it's absolutely a possibility. Though it's also just number-wise less likely since there are less neut roles than town or coveni dont think he would rand mazer into a 4th unless he was alreayd one of the 3(he said he subbed in for it orignally then gave to mazer) that would be absurd
Hm. The jailor card doesn't say they can't here? May have been an oversight. Either way I'd think it odd for someone to decide to do that N1 even if they can... they'd have to feel real dang strongly about itAgain..
If it's tos...jailor can't n1 execute.
If that's the case, maybe I should look away from the train on me. : /I can see a world were Coven got 2 kills.
Remove trapper. They build n1.Odds
Pirate=Veteran>Jailor>>>Trapper>>>>>>>>Ritualist.
Once again, a ritualist even attempting that kill would be absolutely insane, let alone the idea of them succeeding. So outright bonkers that the role who probably couldn't even kill N1 is a significantly more likely candidate.
Last game he claimed neutral before even going to jail. I can toally see Matt saying he was a neutral that is going to townside.Jailor- Could have jailed him day 1 and killed N1, but that's a ballsy choice. It would have to be a very bold player to make that kind of decision so soon into the game.
I think xan was extra cheely d1 and idk how i feel about that@Claws - how do you feel about people other than pups?
What are your thoughts on peeps?Wow Foxxi has me in meh, I thought you said you'd gotten better at reading me?
Claws and Robo seem fineWhat are your thoughts on peeps?
I agree.Caito and Val just sitting on vanity wagons all day isnt a good look either
Eh. It's the top of the meh pile. And boils down to: I like your vibe, but so far don't have anything that I feel *proves* you good... you and claws both making noises that the robo wagon formed to save mtr now that mtr is known town is eh. And you know as well as I do that voting someone who was never in any danger of yeet is hardly alignment proving even if claws is scum. Plus there are still two more neuts.Claws and Robo seem fine
You having me in meh but Drey and Claws in your bottom 3 also makes no sense, seeing as they were 2 of the 3 people I voted for yesterday. For someone that likes to keep things logical that doesnt really track for me
And no, the cleric mitch would have been refused entry. In this case mitch put in his will that he chose caito N1 - it doesn't mean his attempt succeeded.Once again I find myself overwhelmed playing a game against the rest of you who clearly understand the roles of the potential characters far more than I do.
On top of it all, I find myself targeted for an explanation of my D1 activity. Dreyski, since you didn't play the last game, you may have missed the fact that I was town butler, and I served wine to CWE, who we later found out was the Sheriff. This blocked his activity, but still town was doing well, so I didn't explain my action publicly. I had pressed on morrison to explain himself, getting him to divulge that he had the power to heal / protect CWE. The following day, I chose to kill Future, the king, who I thought was scummy, and I got myself killed along the way. This was the beginning of the downfall of town and I feet badly about it.
We move on to this game. I look at it as I owe CWE a favor, and since I know nothing about anyone else, I figured "why not join him?" Not trying to gain favor with him, but just trying to make right a prior wrong in the universe. I didn't want to be a non-voter, and I accept that it's always risky targeting anyone based on nothing at all.
I had been travelling for work last week, so when the weekend hit I wasn't able to really digest the roles out there, as couponing is my priority and I had lots to catch up on. I barely followed along with the voting and we got no yeet. So I added CWE to a guest list, and figured let's have a party at Caito's place. But it looks like the cleric blocked anything from happening at Caito's.
It may be OMGUS, but
Vote: CLAWS
I agree with this aswellCaito and Val just sitting on vanity wagons all day isnt a good look either
I think its the fact they never botgered to come back after that inital vote is what bothers me we were grasping at straws to get a train goingAgain, the vanity wagon thing for caito is pointless. CWE sat on a vanity wagon too and no one gives two shits about that. It's expected for either of them imo -- even if it's downright infuriating if they are town since town off doing it's own random shit here is even less helpful than usual.
Val on the other hand actually is interesting though.... he usually is all about "gotta yeet people to progress the game"
You feel pockety. I've no idea why you seem to have decided I'm trustworthy.Not sure why im so low on the fox list however i did say the robo train flew up right after the mtr one tbh mtr was being a sarcastic egotistical weiner to me so i thought he was scum![]()
He has a bromance with grae - he wants to avenge his friend I imagine, not the role he had.Vals a weird one here he also said hed avenge grae who flipped evil is that just twtbw? Or should we just blast him
Likely i dont totally understand this game you are also the only one thats aggressive seeking and you need that in this game more soYou feel pockety. I've no idea why you seem to have decided I'm trustworthy.
Ngl my intial reaction was "what even has BN said?" But a quick ISO and I can see this actually. Just didn't feel the same because he's interacted less with me directly I imagineIt strikes me as weird that you read Claws as pockety but not BN Foxxi
I’m under the assumption he was randed under viable roles for this setup. So he could’ve gone anywhere in there. I have him set as an “Any” in my keeping track of claims/flips vs the starting setup.If mazer full randed theres more probiblity hes scum isnt there? theres more scum roles then town ones?
And no, the cleric mitch would have been refused entry. In this case mitch put in his will that he chose caito N1 - it doesn't mean his attempt succeeded.
There are 25 town and 27 non town from quick count. I suppose he could get anything as long as it doesnt duplicate uniques.If mazer full randed theres more probiblity hes scum isnt there? theres more scum roles then town ones?
Yeah, no way val would wilingly kill matt and i dont think there is a bus driver in this setup. Still it doesnt clear him.He has a bromance with grae - he wants to avenge his friend I imagine, not the role he had.
It strikes me as weird that you read Claws as pockety but not BN Foxxi
Ngl my intial reaction was "what even has BN said?" But a quick ISO and I can see this actually. Just didn't feel the same because he's interacted less with me directly I imagine
Exe is a neutral evil role.First ToS variant game here too and I'm having issues with the role names, although I assume some are analogues of what I'm used to, and I've been brushing up on the wiki so this is where I'm up to:
1 Town Power
1 Town Killing
1 Town Protective - Cleric
2 Town Investigative - Coroner
2 Random Town (any type)
2 Common Town (Support/Protective/Investigative)
1 Coven Power
1 Coven Killing
2 Common Coven (Deception/Utility)
1 Neutral Benign/Neutral Evil
1 Neutral Evil/Apocalypse (80%/20%)
1 Neutral Killer/Apocalypse (60%/40%) - Executioner
(list compiled before Mazer joined). Obviously losing our protective role D1 is a big hurdle, but hopefully theres an extra in the common/random townies. I'll be along later after I've digested the day so far.
This. Unless you are a TI. Then claiming is risk free (except conjurer but they can kill anyone right now anyways).I will warn/caution people against claiming, if there is a role that guesses peoples role to kill.
I'm assuming you won't get told who all is on your list because that would also tell you who tried to visit your target. You'll only know who you've placed on the list.Either way, I got no results. I was trying to understand what "If a player is rejected, they will be added to the guest list at the start of the next day" meant, because I asked if I would get an updated guest list, and I was told the list would be updated at the end of each night. But the role says " If a player is rejected, they will be added to the guest list at the start of the next day" Does this mean that the cleric mitch would have been added to the guest list the next day?
I had also asked
" If I never add anyone to the guest list, could I indefinitely protect someone by constantly holding the party at their house? "
and I got no response.
I didn't realize I got subbed in until right before I posted. Then I had tickets to a game that night, and Soccer tryout weekend for my kids.I think xan was extra cheely d1 and idk how i feel about that
Im weary of mazer the sub in then dead silence til eod for 1 post didnt sit well
Robo seems pretty good so do you and cwe seems to be the tos know it all so thats handy
Once again I find myself overwhelmed playing a game against the rest of you who clearly understand the roles of the potential characters far more than I do.
I don’t need a street corner. All my customers know how to get in contact with me.
Most of the roles are simple and already exist in mafia games. Was about how to link what a role does and how it is called here.I think for most of us, this is the 1st ToS game.
All the roles are in discord. I know ive looked at some of them, but havent spent a lot of time pouring over all the options. Decent chunk to take in, similar to the 1st couple games of ToL.
Two of the three dead people were voting me. It's likely the kills came from multiple sources, so it's not like coven were choosing to whittle down my train to that extent, but they probably did choose to hit somebody on that train (especially if the Matthieu kill came from a town jailer, or neutral pirate as some people suggest). It could mean that they're not concerned about people focusing on the smaller version of that train because they aren't on it much, which could speak poorly for me again. However, I still know I'm not coven, and I'd still expect them to be spread across the trains from that time of day. I would still guess one person on my train is coven. That's between listo, Satsu, and Dreyski still. It's not a hard lead, but I just find it unlikely that no coven voted against me. Possible, but unlikely.
Yup. It means we likely have either a veteran who alert'd or a pirate who duel'd matthieu.So if I'm reading right, matt could not have been killed by a standard attack at night. Only by powerful or unstoppable.
That feels significant for night 1.
I had to go back. There's a lot of neutrals in this game?I can see a world were Coven got 2 kills.
Agreed on the last pointYup. It means we likely have either a veteran who alert'd or a pirate who duel'd matthieu.
And if it is a vet, it's likely someone matthieu would have expected might be chopped with minimal effort. And I doubt he'd pick Val
Even if I was evil I would put a note to my logbook there is a pirate to just out that mf. But I see matt not thinking like that.Yup. It means we likely have either a veteran who alert'd or a pirate who duel'd matthieu.
Robos d1 was actually good, nothing eyebrow raising really but i can guarantee you that is in Robos scum range. D2 was very helpfull awesome. But NAI in the end.Of those, I don't think robo is coven. Could be neut,
I like the arbitrary 9 people "not voting." Guess Matt and Myself should have just left our d1 votes on each other til moving to another train.Mitch - 2 (Claws #10, Foxxi #63)
MTR - 1 (MitchRapp #30)
Caito - 1 (CWE #32)
Claws - 1 (Xanjori #42)
CWE - 1 (Caito #50)
Robo - 1 (Listo #55)
Not Voting: 3puppies, Dreyski, morrison, MTR, Robozerim, Satsu, Val the Moofia Boss, Blind Ninja #25, Matthieu #27
Now that we know Mitch was also town and voting, there's still at least one more non-town in the non-voters here: Drey, morri, Robo, satsu, Val, BN
Of those, I don't think robo is coven. Could be neut, and I feel better about morri than the others. Maybe satsu too.
There is nothing arbitrary about it. It's logic. There are 9 town. That count has nine non-voting people. The more town that we know are actually voting there, the more of the non-voters cannot be town.I like the arbitrary 9 people "not voting." Guess Matt and Myself should have just left our d1 votes on each other til moving to another train.
Yep, realised after I'd skimmed the ToS2 wiki (and now I've found it on Void's discord channelsExe is a neutral evil role.
This is definitely something to keep in mind, assuming you are town it is unlikely the whole train is pure. Heck, even if you aren't town it's unlikely that train is pure.