Mafia 25 - The Town of Warcraft

[Sirius Black]

It was the first genuine post I made all game so weird lol

I was trying to pretend I was the traitor hoping coven would think I'm one of them because I didn't read the spoilers

 

[3puppies]

@MitchRapp, you've been on quite the run being able to read people.

Any thoughts so far?


I'd like to learn what about Insaner's / Sirius Black's post triggered an alarm for you.

 

[3puppies]

Reads like scum theatre to me

 

[Sirius Black]

MitchRapp feels like he may have come into the game with a bit of a fixation on me. Over half his posts are about me.

Which is kinda weird ngl but I think is probably towny?

 

[MitchRapp]

MitchRapp feels like he may have come into the game with a bit of a fixation on me. Over half his posts are about me.

Which is kinda weird ngl but I think is probably towny?

Go back and check out my Day 1 fixations over the last few games and get back to me.
Nailed Matthieu
Nailed Claws

 

[CWE]

Yeah biggest thing I recall from TT is that if we discovered the last coven we want to keep them alive but controlled via things like escort/jailor.

This.

 

[MitchRapp]

@MitchRapp, you've been on quite the run being able to read people.

Any thoughts so far?


I'd like to learn what about Insaner's / Sirius Black's post triggered an alarm for you.

It felt like bad acting. And honestly it was unfortunate timing as I was just thinking about focusing on someone else this am until that popped up.

 

[Sirius Black]

Go back and check out my Day 1 fixations over the last few games and get back to me.
Nailed Matthieu
Nailed Claws

Not trying to discredit you here. Just pointing out the fact that you started mentioning my name well before I even posted.

 

[MitchRapp]

Go back and check out my Day 1 fixations over the last few games and get back to me.
Nailed Matthieu
Nailed Claws

In fairness here I was on Claws Day 1 and that night we were able to ascertain he wasnt town. Of course no one was town so IDK how much water that holds.

 

[MitchRapp]

Not trying to discredit you here. Just pointing out the fact that you started mentioning my name well before I even posted.

I mentioned your name right away because I legitimately didn't know who you were on the list of participants. That is one thing I still struggle with here people seem to have 3 different log ins and none of them match their discord name.

 

[Sirius Black]

It felt like bad acting. And honestly it was unfortunate timing as I was just thinking about focusing on someone else this am until that popped up.

I believe you believe this.

 

[MitchRapp]

Also I would just like to throw this out there. This is by no means a hard read but CWE is going to have me paranoid he is the traitor all game. I do not think he would be coven based on everything he has shared so far. If he were coven he would have ro reason to talk so openly about all the game mechanics. However now I am going to have him in the back of my mind all game, wondering if I can trust him.

CWE you are by no means a target to me at this time but man the longer you stay alive the more panic I will have. Just getting that out on the front end.

 

[Apocaclaws]

Four

 

[Apocaclaws]

Five

 

[Apocaclaws]

Six

 

[MitchRapp]

CWE sounds knowledgeable on this format so I'll trust what he says

Something about this post. Now that I have the bad acting vibe this one also kinda falls in line. Like hes trying to play the "hey I have no clue about this format so I will just follow a clearly town guy."

 

[GrumpyCat]

Six

There were 8

 

[Sirius Black]

Something about this post. Now that I have the bad acting vibe this one also kinda falls in line. Like hes trying to play the "hey I have no clue about this format so I will just follow a clearly town guy."

 

[MTR]

Finally checking in. I wasn't in the mood to check in last night after shitty seats that I ended up spending more money on after the venue change for NXT. I have to go back and watch the show to see what I missed which was most of it. *sigh*

Anyway you all know that Future is the traitor right? That is my story I am sticking to it.

Anyway I just skimmed so let me go back and like read for real and respond to stuff.

 

[MTR]

Someone tell me about Insaner.

Good player. Can be a troll but honestly at this point most of us can be called trolls.

 

[Sirius Black]

I sure hope Mitch isn't a vigilante or something hehe

I absolutely believe he is town

 

[MTR]

Vote: MTR

Meh. I should vote you but honestly you skipped so many games at this point I am don't feel like it.

 

[Sirius Black]

Meh. I should vote you but honestly you skipped so many games at this point I am don't feel like it.

Probably towny to break a pattern like that

Unless specifically teamed with MTR

 

[Sirius Black]

Unless MTR is teamed with Future*

 

[MitchRapp]

I have a meeting coming up here so I am going to throw out this summarized list I have. Feel free to discus, question me or call me stupid:

CWE- NOT COVEN, possible traitor? IDK, but for sure not coven
Listo- Something about Listo says to put in the clear for now pile
Grumpy- Also not on my early list of suspects

Sirus- Coven, bad acting

Claws- Once again not his typical but he could be trying to play a totally different style after the last game. I hope he posts more than counting soon.

 

[MTR]

Don't worry about me. I need the distraction from real life. Cleaning out an 87-year old's apartment, dealing with other relatives, has not been a joy.

Caito is not playing this game, which disappoints me as I would vote him D1 in revenge for the last few games we've played.

I do like your thought about both Forgotten and MTR being evil.

I guess it's not fair to flat out ask you if you can be trusted. If you're town, you'll admit it, but if you're not, you'll say to vote you and find out.

I think the odds of at least one of MTR/Future being untrustworthy is fairly high - but of course that would apply to any two players picked at random.

I would join you and jump on ForgottenFutureHold, but I can't recall if he's been away in the woods for a few games. It has been explained to me that it's bad manners to D1 yeet someone who's been away for a bit.

Plus, MTR hasn't missed a game in a while, and I'm jealous that he got to attend two weeks taping of RAW, plus a great NXT show.

Vote: MTR

Our seats sucked for NXT. We are going to have to watch the show to really see what happened. Check out the wrestling channel on the FOS discord for a pic.

 

[GrumpyCat]

CWE- NOT COVEN, possible traitor? IDK, but for sure not coven

He claimed a strong town investigative. Hes not coven or neutral. Traitor? Should be obvious by day 4 if it comes to that ;p

 

[CWE]

Also I would just like to throw this out there. This is by no means a hard read but CWE is going to have me paranoid he is the traitor all game. I do not think he would be coven based on everything he has shared so far. If he were coven he would have ro reason to talk so openly about all the game mechanics. However now I am going to have him in the back of my mind all game, wondering if I can trust him.

CWE you are by no means a target to me at this time but man the longer you stay alive the more panic I will have. Just getting that out on the front end.

 

[Listo95]

I guess I can give up having the crus on me for a regular tp please and ty.

 

[Apocaclaws]

Seven

 

[Apocaclaws]

Eight

 

[Apocaclaws]

Nine

 

[Apocaclaws]

Ah ah ah

 

[GrumpyCat]

Ok you enjoy it too much you are absoved. you can play normally.

 

[Matthieu]

So if I'm reading the setup correctly, there can be up to four town investigation roles, right?

Up to two 'strong' investigation roles and two 'common' roles?

Since CWE and Grumpy have both claimed to be investigation roles, I'd like them to tell us exactly what the name of their roles are.

 

[MTR]

Ah ah ah

You do know they need to be like game related right?

 

[Apocaclaws]

You do know they need to be like game related right?

I

 

[Apocaclaws]

DOnt

 

[Apocaclaws]

Care

 

[Apocaclaws]

I

 

[Apocaclaws]

Ship

 

[Apocaclaws]

It

 

[CWE]

So if I'm reading the setup correctly, there can be up to four town investigation roles, right?

Up to two 'strong' investigation roles and two 'common' roles?

Since CWE and Grumpy have both claimed to be investigation roles, I'd like them to tell us exactly what the name of their roles are.

Psychic.

 

[GrumpyCat]

So if I'm reading the setup correctly, there can be up to four town investigation roles, right?

Up to two 'strong' investigation roles and two 'common' roles?

Since CWE and Grumpy have both claimed to be investigation roles, I'd like them to tell us exactly what the name of their roles are.

Isnt it 5? 2 investigative 1 random and 2 common? dont hink they are unique either.

 

[MTR]

I

 

[ForgottenHold]

He claimed a strong town investigative. Hes not coven or neutral. Traitor? Should be obvious by day 4 if it comes to that ;p

Isn’t the traitor coven? CWE said he wasn’t coven so he can’t be the traitor either by my logic

 

[GrumpyCat]

Traitor isnt coven. Game type outright says town traitor

 

[GrumpyCat]

I am starting to think it could be stronger than an ordinary coven

 

[GrumpyCat]

Invest immune and dont have to fake claim. But dont have scum faction kill.

 

[GrumpyCat]

I

Yeah you didnt get baker for once. Dont get confused.
Vote out Dreyski. Could be scum could be neutral could even be a traitor.

 

[VoidKitten]

Day 1 Vote Count:

MTR - 2 (FutureHold #28, 3puppies #48)
Sirius Black - 2 (LDG #44, MitchRapp #74)
Dreyski - 2 (CWE #95, GrumpyCat #96

Not Voting: Blind Ninja, Claws, Dreyski, Insaner, Listo, Matthieu, MTR, Val

It is now Day 1. Day 1 will end at 8:00pm ET on Oct 8th or when majority is reached. With 14 players alive, majority is 8 votes on a single player. If majority is not reached by the end of day, there will be no elimination.

 

[Dreyski]

You should all know my timetable and restrictions

 

[Apocaclaws]

Yeah you didnt get baker for once. Dont get confused.
Vote out Dreyski. Could be scum could be neutral could even be a traitor.

Could is a fucking terribible reason

 

[GrumpyCat]

Fuck you

 

[MitchRapp]

You should all know my timetable and restrictions

I do not know it. Enlighten me.

 

[Apocaclaws]

 

[GrumpyCat]

You should all know my timetable and restrictions

Sorry didnt know. i dont have timetables mostly, but it sounds like an important stuff.
Unvote:

 

[Dreyski]

Uk based, work 9-5, sleep 1-7 GMT. Any mafia/werewolf/ToS has to fit to those hours. Starting the game early afternoon my time is a naughty trick.

 

[CWE]

You should all know my timetable and restrictions

And you should know I prod quiet people day 1. Definitely when there's no Caito to vote.

 

[Sirius Black]

Vote: 3pups

Now to vote the actual mafia

 

[MTR]

You should all know my timetable and restrictions

I do. :) I saw that guy got a 8 game ban for biting a Blackburn player.

 

[MitchRapp]

Vote: 3pups

Now to vote the actual mafia

Go on, tel me more.

 

[GrumpyCat]

Go go if you nail Insaner your going to chaps ;D

 

[MitchRapp]

Here is my concern:

It is 10 on 4 if everyone who is neutral townsides. We have a few who tend to get modkilled for non participation. If those players are town, the numbers can flip on us in a hurry. We have to encourage conversation from all of them. We have 8 under the number at the moment. ( I also assume Claws posts won't count towards total) We still have a lot of time but there is nothing wrong with tagging and encouraging participation from them.

Participation is also where players make mistakes. We need people to give logic, make posts and take a stance.

 

[Sirius Black]

Go go if you nail Insaner your going to chaps ;D

Sheesh don't entice him

 

[MitchRapp]

Go go if you nail Insaner your going to chaps ;D

Is this English?

 

[GrumpyCat]

Not even close

 

[Sirius Black]

Go on, tel me more.

Yeah give me half an hour to clean things up and I will give reasons

 

[GrumpyCat]

Oh my hes getting serious. brace for impact.

 

[Dreyski]

Is this English?

I taught English for 16 years and I never saw anything like that

 

[Val the Moofia Boss]

Vote: Mitch

 

[MitchRapp]

Vote: Mitch

Is this for my Pokoman comment?

 

[GrumpyCat]

Yeah as a member of town warcraft you would know its an owlkin

 

[MitchRapp]

Yeah as a member of town warcraft you would know its an owlkin

I have never played WoW in my life.

 

[Matthieu]

I have never played WoW in my life.

What games - if any - do you play?

 

[Apocaclaws]

10

 

[Apocaclaws]

11

 

[Apocaclaws]

12

 

[MitchRapp]

What games - if any - do you play?

I do not play many games anymore. There are a few baseball simulation games I like but that is more like playing Strat-O-Matic online than it is a video game. In college we would play Bond and WWF games when we got back form a night of drinking. My roommates were into Halo but I was terrible at it. The Sims was new when I was in school. We also played Civilization. I think it was IV but not positive.

My son has an XBox in the living room. I am not sure what version of it. The NES is hooked up in the man cave and occasionally I will play a game of Techmo.

 

[Sirius Black]

3pups just looks like a wolf who is trying to look busy to me

If there are 4 coven plus a traitor, that makes 5 threats to town, plus a neutral. I was a math major way back in the day.

But I'm clearly not very good at making my point in short posts. I was trying to ask those of y'all who've played a heckuva lot more than me, is it more likely that with a traitor in the game, we started with 3 or 4 coven?

And does the traitor have to be recruited to become coven?

And Yes, Sirius, I do recall I got to play Mami, but I think I also got to play Rikishi in an anon game.

This post was the one that gave me that impression. Because setup speculation of this sort is the absolute easiest thing to talk about as mafia. I think this post shows that 3pups head is clearly in the game but it doesn't seem to be producing any thoughts that are actually applicable to solving the game. If I were to project my suspicion to it's furthest extent then I would say that this post contains the information that the wolves already know and showcasing an actual process of "trying to figure out" the scum numbers is meant to disguise the fact that 3pups is already privy to that information. Because if 3pups was town then maybe he would also mention something about the multitude of town roles that could be in this setup but here the post is specifically tailored to discuss the scum possibilities which I don't think is the only thing a town would be curious about.

@MitchRapp, you've been on quite the run being able to read people.

Any thoughts so far?


I'd like to learn what about Insaner's / Sirius Black's post triggered an alarm for you.

Reads like scum theatre to me

This also pinged me. For context of this read I need to mention that I know I'm town (duh) and I'm fairly confident that Mitch is town too. Here 3pups was shading one town (in my view) for wrongfully accusing another town (me). Which is like a very very common wolf pattern.

Another thing I should mention is that I'm definitely hella biased in reading 3pups as bad since he smoked me pretty good by having pretty good posts as scum in the anon game which was the last game I played here and I guess I am still somewhat butthurt about that. So no reasonable person should sheep me on this and if you do then I'm really sorry for you :D

 

[MTR]

I have never played WoW before so I am going to be so lost with the names that show up in the write up.

 

[MitchRapp]

3pups just looks like a wolf who is trying to look busy to me


This post was the one that gave me that impression. Because setup speculation of this sort is the absolute easiest thing to talk about as mafia. I think this post shows that 3pups head is clearly in the game but it doesn't seem to be producing any thoughts that are actually applicable to solving the game. If I were to project my suspicion to it's furthest extent then I would say that this post contains the information that the wolves already know and showcasing an actual process of "trying to figure out" the scum numbers is meant to disguise the fact that 3pups is already privy to that information. Because if 3pups was town then maybe he would also mention something about the multitude of town roles that could be in this setup but here the post is specifically tailored to discuss the scum possibilities which I don't think is the only thing a town would be curious about.




This also pinged me. For context of this read I need to mention that I know I'm town (duh) and I'm fairly confident that Mitch is town too. Here 3pups was shading one town (in my view) for wrongfully accusing another town (me). Which is like a very very common wolf pattern.

Another thing I should mention is that I'm definitely hella biased in reading 3pups as bad since he smoked me pretty good by having pretty good posts as scum in the anon game which was the last game I played here and I guess I am still somewhat butthurt about that. So no reasonable person should sheep me on this and if you do then I'm really sorry for you :D

This is clean and thought out. I will give you points for that.

 

[LemonDemonGirl]

Hmm I hope there's trolls somewhere

 

[MTR]

Hmm I hope there's trolls somewhere

 

[MitchRapp]

Hmm I hope there's trolls somewhere

 

[Apocaclaws]

Hmm I hope there's trolls somewhere

 

[MitchRapp]

I think we should focus on getting 2 of these trains going for now. Make people commit to one side or the other.

Does anyone who has not voted have heavy feelings towards any of us with votes?

 

[Apocaclaws]

Theres trains

 

[Apocaclaws]

Where

 

[Apocaclaws]

 

[Sirius Black]

This is clean and thought out. I will give you points for that.

One thing you need to know about me is that probably about 80% posts that I make are very alignment neutral for me. I make a ton of shitposts as either alignment :D

 

[MTR]

Do we even really have any trains going. I don't think anyone has more than 2 votes at this point. It just hard to get reads on D1. I know some people can but I struggle. Just so much shit posting goes on during the first day phase

 

[GrumpyCat]

Hmm I hope there's trolls somewhere

ill show you my troll.

 

[Sirius Black]

I don't have a troll :(

 

[GrumpyCat]

Troll from the start because they have regeneration so they cant die, no brainer pick - 2005 me ;p

 

[Sirius Black]

Is this really your best jester performance

 

[3puppies]

Now I am feeling a lot less certain that there was scum theater there. But even in games where I haven't played, there's inevitably someone I think I should rust as town that ends up being a villain.

I have played only a relatively few games, compared to the rest of you all. I will throw shade on everyone until they are cleared.

The only person I feel good about now is CWE.

Sirius, one thing you need to know about me is that I am naturally inquisitive. I don't have a team to help me out so I will put my thoughts /questions here. I usually make really long posts. I am shortening them in order to meet the min post counts. I didn't raise questions about the other town roles because I am trying ask about how many non-town threats we are facing.

 

[MitchRapp]

Now I am feeling a lot less certain that there was scum theater there. But even in games where I haven't played, there's inevitably someone I think I should rust as town that ends up being a villain.

I have played only a relatively few games, compared to the rest of you all. I will throw shade on everyone until they are cleared.

The only person I feel good about now is CWE.

Sirius, one thing you need to know about me is that I am naturally inquisitive. I don't have a team to help me out so I will put my thoughts /questions here. I usually make really long posts. I am shortening them in order to meet the min post counts. I didn't raise questions about the other town roles because I am trying ask about how many non-town threats we are facing.

One thing you need to know about me is that probably about 80% posts that I make are very alignment neutral for me. I make a ton of shitposts as either alignment :D

Is this a fucking dating site?

"One thing you need to know about me...."

 

[Sirius Black]

It could be

 

[Sirius Black]

Now I am feeling a lot less certain that there was scum theater there. But even in games where I haven't played, there's inevitably someone I think I should rust as town that ends up being a villain.

I have played only a relatively few games, compared to the rest of you all. I will throw shade on everyone until they are cleared.

The only person I feel good about now is CWE.

Sirius, one thing you need to know about me is that I am naturally inquisitive. I don't have a team to help me out so I will put my thoughts /questions here. I usually make really long posts. I am shortening them in order to meet the min post counts. I didn't raise questions about the other town roles because I am trying ask about how many non-town threats we are facing.

Can you expand on your progression of your MitchRapp read? Why did you think it was scum theatre at first, and why you don't think so anymore?